FLUIDS
SEPTEMBER 2010
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
SEPTEMBER 8, 2010
DELTA CENTRE-VILLE
777 RUE UNIVERSITY
MONTREAL, QUEBEC
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent
meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the
Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8, 2010
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS – (CLOSED)
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check / Introductions / Routing of Attendance / Confirmed Voting
Membership
The FLUIDS TASK GROUP was called to order at 9:15 a.m., 8-Sept-10
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of
the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
COMPANY NAME
* Samuel
Buri
The Boeing Company
Vice Chairperson
Ron
Clements
The Boeing Company
Perry
Freemen
Boeing
David
Griffith
Boeing
Oliver
Harten
Airbus
* Kevin
Heck
Lockheed Martin
* Mike
King
Northrop Grumman
Logan
Kraft
NAVAIR
Mario
Leclerc
Bombardier
NMC Auditor
Fred
Meyer
Cessna
* Erwin
Oman
Bombardier
* Mark
Paul
Rolls-Royce
Tom
Ryan
Boeing
* Robert
Schreiber
The Boeing Company
Chairperson
* Mark
Scott
The Boeing Company
* Dan
Smith
GE Aviation
Tom
Smoots
Boeing
Renatas
Stanislovaitis
GE Aviation
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
COMPANY NAME
John
Binford
B & E Mfg.
John
Brittain
Eaton
Lee
Bullock
Permaswage USA
Bryan
Caton
Parker
Dan
Choisser
Esterline Engineered
Materials
* Roger
Christianson
Hydraflow
May
Danhash
Permaswage / DMC
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Al
Wayne
Samson
Abiy
Carlos
Dale
Mike
Steve
Joe
Steve
Andrew
Kevin
Mansoor
Nilesh
Mike
James
Mark
Dave
Joseph
Tim
Dick
Hans
Philip
Mark
Devile
DeWatt
D’Mekuria
Eshetu
Garfias
Gordon
Howlett
Hudlet
Klamar
MacDonald
Mau
Metcalf
Motavvef
Patel
Paveglio
Robellnrd
Scatoloni
Sherwood
Stanek
Storm
Tomsic
Vandervelden
Wade
Wilson
Shur-Lok
Pamco
PFW Aero
STS Laconia
Nelson Aerospace
Aerofit Inc.
Airdrome
Jetseal
NUCO
Permaswage
Parker
Nelson Aerospace
Esterline TA Aerospace
Shur-Lok
STS Laconia
Plymouth Tube Co.
Faber Emprises Inc.
Eaton Aerospace
Wyman Gordon
NUCO
Voss
SAE
STS Laconia
Alcoa Fastening Systems
PRI Staff Present
Keith
Ken
Purnell
Lefebvre
Staff Engineer
Nadcap Auditor
Nadcap Code of Ethics – (CLOSED / OPEN)
The Antitrust and Nadcap Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest were reviewed with the
Task Group.
1.2
Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes / RAIL Review – (OPEN)
The minutes from the 8-Mar-10 Fluids Distribution Systems Task Group meeting were reviewed
and approved as written.
2.0
17025 Laboratory Accreditations (CLOSED / OPEN)
PRI has made a decision to discontinue affiliation as a NACLA accreditation body because of
requirements of ISO/IEC17011 that require PRI business structure to be set up in a specific
manner. Resolving this issue would have required PRI to change the way in which it conducts
business while not enhancing any of the services that PRI provides nor is it a quality improvement.
Thus, PRI will no longer issue ISO/IEC 17025 certificates. PRI will continue to perform audits to the
requirements of AC7006 which is equivalent to ISO/IEC 17025 and will provide certification within
the Nadcap scope. These audits will continue to be recognized by the MTL Task Group as an
approved Quality System.
There was discussion with the SAE G3, PRI QPG and Nadcap Fluid Distribution Systems
Chairpersons concerning the amount of work required to revise the applicable SAE G3 standards
that specify ISO 17025 to also accept AC7006. It was determined that only three Fluids accredited
suppliers were impacted by this change and it would be easier for those suppliers to obtain an ISO
17025 accreditation when their AC7006 accreditation expires than to revise the numerous SAE G3
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standards that reference ISO 17025. Also taken into consideration was that some subscribers flow
down ISO 17025.
3.0
STAFF ENGINEER DELEGATION OVERSIGHT (CLOSED)
The Task Group reviewed the Fluids Distribution Systems Delegation Tracking Form for K. Purnell.
Staff Engineer met the minimum criteria of having at least 10% of findings reviewed by the Task
Group Primes with at least a 90% concurrence rate. Staff Engineer maintains delegated status.
4.0
AUDITOR TRAINING OUTLINE FOR 2010 - AUDIT OBSERVERS– (CLOSED)
Auditor Training has been scheduled for the Nadcap meeting in Pittsburgh for one half day on
Friday October 15th. Topics to be addresses included, Time Management, Most Common NCR’s,
Review of Latest Document Changes, Question / Answer and Discussion Session, Suggestions for
Audit Handbook Clarifications and Periodic Testing Requirements. In addition, Staff Engineer will
make a presentation at Nadcap Management Council to make Nadcap members aware of the Task
Groups functions and responsibilities.
Nadcap Fluid Task Group subscriber members have observed two Fluids audits in 2010.
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer K. Purnell to present a Fluids Task Group Summary Report at the NMC
Meeting in Pittsburgh PA. (DUE DATE: 20-Oct-10).
5.0
PERIODIC TESTING REQUIREMENTS FOR SUB-CONTRACTORS – (CLOSED)
The Task Group Members discussed periodic testing requirements and how they apply to suppliers
that have multiple sub-contractors.
6.0
OPENING COMMENTS – (OPEN)
Call to Order / Quorum Check / Introductions / Routing of Attendance / Confirmed Voting
Membership. Roster was circulated for all in attendance to sign.
The Antitrust and Nadcap Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest were reviewed with the
Task Group.
7.0
REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF 8-MAR-10 MEETING MINUTES – (OPEN)
The minutes from the 8-Mar-10 Fluids Distribution Systems Task Group meeting were reviewed
and approved as written. All of the RAIL open action items were reviewed.
8.0
PRI STAFF REPORT – (OPEN)
K. Purnell presented the PRI Staff Report that included Auditor Status, Task Group Metrics, Most
Common NCR’s, Auditor Training Topics, Scope of Accreditation, Future Nadcap Meeting Dates
and Locations. (Attached)
PRI Staff Report
Fluids Sept 8 2010
9.0
STATUS OF AC7123 & AC7112/3 – (OPEN)
AC7123 & AC7112/3 were balloted to Nadcap Management Council and the ballots were closed
without comments. Checklists will be posted in eAuditNet by 24 Sept 2010. Audits can be
conducted 90 days after the posting date in eAuditNet.
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to release and post AC7112/3 in eAuditNet. (DUE DATE: 23-Sept-10)
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ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to release and post AC7123 in eAuditNet. (DUE DATE: 23-Sept-10)
ACTION ITEM: Staff Engineer to incorporate Audit Handbook clarifications into AC7112/6 to create a
single document then ballot to the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 16-Nov-11).
10.0
PERIODIC TEST REQUIREMNTS FOR SUBCONTRACTORS
Mark Scott QPG Chairperson Reviewed the QPG’s expectations for periodic testing. Periodic data
is required to be submitted to PRI using the PRI provided spreadsheet. Suppliers are to track part
counts for machine shops they subcontract part to that are subject to periodic testing. Periodic tests
should include parts from these subcontractors. There were questions on how the parts are to be
counted and this was referred to the G3B committee for clarification. M. Scott agreed to begin
the next revision of PD2101 to incorporate the revised sub tier auditing requirements previously
agreed upon.
11.0
SUPPLIER MEETING REPORT OUT – (OPEN)
Suppliers presented a summary of their morning discussion that included:
Periodic Control Testing – AS18280 Requirements/Clarifications
Sub-Contracting Requirements Proposed Change to PD2101/AC7112
Gauging Requirements for Nadcap Accredited Processors
(See Attached Minutes)
Minutes - SAE G3
PRI-Suppliers Group Montreal Sept 8 2010
ACTION ITEM: M. Scataloni to provide a copy of the Supplier Meeting Minutes to the Staff Engineer so
they can be incorporated in the Nadcap Task Groups Meeting Minutes. (DUE DATE: 20-Sept-10)
12.0
NEW BUSINESS – (OPEN)
M Scott QPG Chairperson reviewed the QPG 4 square chart. A qualification matrix was created by
the QPG and members were encouraged to modify the matrix to address requirements of other
specifications. To obtain a copy of the Qualification Matrix contact Deb Adrian at PRI. (G3-QPG
Report attached)
G-3 QPG RPT draft
ADJOURNMENT – 8-Sept-10 – Meeting was adjourned at 12:00 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Keith Purnell kpurnell@sae.org
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***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved
during this meeting? (select one)
YES*
NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring
revision:
Who is responsible:
AC7112/6
K. Purnell
Due date:
16-Nov-2011
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