FLUIDS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS
SEPTEMBER 2007
UNCONFIRMED MINUES
SEPTEMBER 10, 2007
HOLIDAY INN ON THE BAY
PORTLAND, MAINE
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote
at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or
recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any
agency.
MONDAY, September 10, 2007 (CLOSED MEETING)
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1
Call to Order/Quorum Check
The meeting was called to order by Vice Chairperson, Al Jankot. Quorum requirements
were met at all times for both open and closed meetings. The combined meeting
attendance was a follows.
ATTENDANCE
User Members Present:
Al Jankot
Dan Smith
Mark Scott
Ron Clements
Mark Paul
Mary Francois
Erwin Oman
Terence Chin
Fred Meyer
Barbara Donoghue
Jerry Onufer
Ami Chase
Joseph Gambill
Hon Lo
Perry Freeman
Ed Ryan
Renatas Sanislouvatis
Gregory May
Hamilton Sundstrand
GE Aviation
Boeing, St. Louis
Boeing, Seattle
Rolls Royce Corp.
AIRBUS
Bombardier
Naval Air Warfair Center
Cessna
Boeing
Boeing Commercial
DSCC
Hamilton Sundstrand
DSCP
Boeing, Seattle
NAVAIR
GE Aviation
Boeing, Seattle
Other Participants/Members Present:
Carlos Garfias
Airdrome Precision Components
Clayton Ramclam
PAMCO
Kevin Metcalf
Nelson Aerospace Inc.
Bryan Caton
Parker
Steve Etherton
Eaton
Tim Rusk
B & E Mfg.
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Ricardo Foster
Joseph Klamar
Roger Christianson
Hans Vandervelden
May Danhash
Ky Nguyen
John Binford
Andrew Ma
Mike Paveglio
Makio Sato
Steven Hudlet
Harlan Blanchard
Norm Alexander
Pete Stroempl
R.G. Allebaugh
Christina Frias
Dianne Zimnavoda
Leo Meredith
Allen Hoube
John Austin
Chris Schofield
Doug Kutber
Nilesh Patel
Mike Schleckman
Dick Tomsic
Steve Etherton
Steve MacDonald
Lee Bullock
National Utilities Co. NUCO
National Utilities Co. NUCO
Hydraflow
Independent
Designed Metal Connections
Adelwiggins
Airdrome
Smiths Tubular Systems
Smiths Tubular Systems
C.M.T.C.
Jetseal
Smiths Tubular Systems-Laconia
SAE
Parker – SPD
Aerofit, Inc.
Alcoa Fastening Systems
RCF Technologies
Eaton Aeroquip
Parker Stratoflex
Parker Stratoflex
Hydraflow
SAE
Shur-Lok
Voss Industries
Voss Industries
Eaton
DMC
DMC
PRI Staff:
Keith Purnell
Ken Lefebvre
Product Staff Engineer
PRI Auditor
1.2
Attendance list was routed and updated and the voting membership was
confirmed.
1.3
Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes
The minutes from the March 19, 2007 California meeting were presented and a
motion was made for approval, seconded and all were in favor with no
disapprovals. Therefore the minutes were approved as written.
2.0 AC7112/2
AC7112/2 DRAFT Revision A dated 2007-07 Audit Criteria for Fittings and
Other Machined Components was reviewed. Problems with aluminum forgings
and leakage of fittings at sealing surfaces prompted the request to add additional
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criteria to the draft checklist. Proposed additional requirements included adding
criteria to address aluminum shapes (forgings) and requirements for fabrication of
seal areas. PRI Staff verified that forgings were outside of the Task Groups scope.
Additional requirements would need to be addressed within the SAE standard
documents.
ACTION ITEM – PRI Staff to set up a conference call to discuss flow down of
requirements.
3.0 Current Audit Review
Task Group reviewed the four current open audits. Supplier Advisory impact on
merit was reviewed.
4.0 Supplier Issues
Subcontracting of machining was discussed. Task Group needs to verify the
amount oversight being performed assures the products integrity. Purchase order
for subcontracted operations need to flow down all the applicable requirements?
5.0 Auditor Training
Nadcap Auditors will receive 8 hours of general auditor training on Saturday
October 20 in Pittsburgh. Fluid Auditors will receive 4 hours of Fluid Specific
auditor training on Sunday Morning October 21, 2007. Boeing will assist in
conducting the 2007 auditor training. Nadcap Annual auditor training for 2008
will be in Pittsburgh on July 19 & 20. Task Group will need to decide if the Fluids
auditor training will be in Pittsburgh or at the Fall G3 meeting?
ACTION ITEM – Primes wishing to assist in 2007 training of the auditors to
contact Keith Purnell at kpurnell@sae.org by October 1, 2007.
5.1
New Business
5.1.1 Forging Audits
Forgings are outside the scope of the Fluids Task Group. To audit Forging
Manufacturers the following actions are required:
Draft a scope for the proposed Forging Audit / Task Group and e-mail it to
Arshad Hafeez for his review. Provide names and contact information of primes
willing to support this initiative. This information will be passed onto Nadcap
Management Council. NMC will determine the level of interest.
If the level of interest is sufficient the proposal will be presented to the PRI
Board. Briefly summarize the problems being encountered with aluminum
forgings and need for the audit.
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5.1.2 eAuditNet - PRI Staff would like to set up a date and time for conducting a Prime
eAuditNet Tutorial.
ACTION ITEM – Establish date and time on the Next Nadcap Fluids Task
Group conference call.
5.1.3 Staff Delegation – Pri Staff presented the last 12 months delegation metrics. Staff
maintained 100% concurrence with the Task Group and maintained delegation.
Nadcap TASK GROUP OPEN MEETING
6.0
OPENING COMMENTS
Vice Chairperson Alan Jankot welcomed all in attendance
Attendance list was circulated & Voting membership confirmed.
7.0
MEETING MINUTES
7.1
Previous Meeting Minutes were reviewed and approved without change.
8.0
Nadcap STAFF REPORT
8.1
Auditor Status – Task Group currently has 2 lead auditors. A third auditor will be
interviewed and hired this year.
8.2
Nadcap audits projected for 2007 are 3523 and audits scheduled to date are 2948.
8.3
Fluid Distribution Systems Audits scheduled for 2007 are 19 re-accreditations and
1 initial in the Americas and 1 re-accreditation in Europe. Five audits completed
to date.
8.4
Task Group Metrics were reviewed:
Audit cycle for 2007 is 64 days.
There were no lapsed accreditations in 2006 or 2007.
Average number of Major & Minor NCR’s was reviewed
The most common NCR’s from AC7112 & AC7112/2 were:
#1 NCR – Sampling
#2 NCR – Calibration
#3 NCR – Procedure issues – procedures do not address, not following the
procedure, not recording required data.
8.5
Status of AC7112/6 & AC7123
Nadcap began conducting audits to these checklists on June 4, 2007.
8.6
Status of AC7112 NMC Ballot
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Five more votes are required to close the ballot.
8.7
Future Nadcap Meeting Dates
October 22-26, 2007 Pittsburgh PA
February 25-29, 2008 Rome Italy
July 21-25, 2008 Pittsburgh PA (auditor training)
October 6-10, 2008 Yokohama, Japan
February 16-20, 2009 Dallas TX
June 15-19, 2009, London, England
October 19-23, 2009 Pittsburgh PA (auditor training)
8.8
2007 Auditor Training
Task Group specific auditor training will take place sometime during October 21,
2007 in Pittsburgh PA. PRI Staff asked for Volunteers to assist
Action Item: Members that wish to assist in the 2007 Auditor Training to contact
PRI Staff by October 1, 2007.
8.9
Announcement was made inviting attendees to participate in the afternoons
Aluminum Forging Panel meeting.
8.10
eAuditNet & Nadcap Changes
Latest changes are:
Tracking of supplier response cumulative lateness days
Objective evidence being required for all NCR’s for audits conducted after
November 4, 2007
New definition for Major and Minor was reviewed. Definition is located in the
Quality Manual that is posted in eAuditNet under user documents
9.0
SUPPLIER MEETING REPORT OUT
Suppliers provided feedback on proposed changes to PD2101E and AC7112/2
Revision A. See attached Supplier minutes for a more detailed description.
Supplier Minutes
Sept 9 2007
10.0
Task Group Standardization
10.1
Currently Nadcap Management Council (NMC) is working on standardization of:
NOP-001 Audit Failure Process,
NOP-008 Audit Merit Program
NOP-003 Delegation of Audit Report Reviewer
10.1.1 For Merit the major changes that will impact the Fluids Task Group are:
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Eligibility Criteria: 18-Months after 2nd reaccreditation audit; 24-Months after
4th reaccreditation audit
No NCR defined as “non-sustaining” during the current or previous audit.
No failed audits, no follow-up/verification audits.
No confirmed product escapes during merit period. No Level 3 Advisories
Limit on days cumulative delinquency (#days not yet determined)
Limit on total number of NCRs (normalize by audit days)
10.1.2 For Failure the major changes that will impact the Fluids Task Group are:
Limit on number of Major NCR’s based upon the number of audit days and Task
Groups history.
Limit on total number of NCR’s based upon the number of audit days and Task
Groups history.
10.1.3 For Delegation of Audit Report Reviewer, all of the current proposals would not
require a change to our existing practice.
11.0
Revision of AC7112/2
AC7112/2 Draft Revision A Dated 2007-07 was reviewed.
Action Item: Please review AC7112/2 Draft Revision A Dated 2007-07 and
provide comments to kpurnell@sae.org by September 31, 2007.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 11:30 a.m.
Minutes prepared by:
Keith Purnell kpurnell@sae.org
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Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this
meeting? (select one)
YES*
NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring
revision:
Who is responsible:
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Due date:
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Nadcap Division
Fluids Rolling Action List
Fluids Rail
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