MATERIALS TESTING
MEETING MINUTES
APRIL 21-22, 2004
MAEVA HOTEL
TOULOUSE, FRANCE
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the task group in writing or by vote
at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication
or recommendation from the task group and shall not be considered as such by
any agency.
WEDNESDAY APRIL 21, 2004 (P.M. SESSION)
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1 Call to Order/Quorum Check
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Keith Kastner. A quorum of Primes
was present; a quorum of Supplier Voting Members was not present.
1.2 Introductions were made by all attendees.
1.3 Attendance
An attendance roster was distributed for all to sign. The following attendance list
includes all present during the open meetings on Wednesday (04/21) and Thursday
(04/22).
Keith Kastner
Jason Jackson
Larry Casillas
Zdenek Sitar
Mark Hermes
Neil Clarke
Fran Azzarto
Andreas Mastorakis
Mehmet Demir
Emilio Lopez-Vioriero Nata
Uta Dietrich
Fabrice Della Martina
Camille Valmy
Mehmet Doner
Andy Iesalnieks
Shen Yeh
Dianna Berube
Frank Lennert
Cessna
Vought Aircraft
Honeywell
Honeywell (Czech Republic)
Honeywell
Rolls-Royce plc
GE Aircraft Engines
GE Aircraft Engines
GE Aircraft Engines
Airbus
Airbus
Airbus
Airbus
Rolls-Royce Allison
Rolls-Royce Allison
Northrop Grumman
United Technologies
The Boeing Company
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Ronald Bodemeijer
Christian Schwaminger
Ben Clark
Laurence Potez
Gerard Aubert
Carl Barrett
Yang Joon Jin
David Kluk
Roger Ng
Kwan Kyu Park
Neil Poyner
Tony Reed
James Rossi
Michael Rossi
Jim Scannell
Edenek Sitar
Jim Stokes
Gregor Tokarenko
David Yates
The Boeing Company
MTU Aero Engines GmbH
Eaton Aerospace
SNECMA Moteurs
Centech
Timet UK (Witton)
Korean Air
NSL Analytical Services
Sulzer Metco (Canada)
Korean Air
Westmoreland Mechanical Testing & Research Ltd.
Goodrich Aero Structures
Westmoreland Mechanical Testing & Research Inc.
Westmoreland Mechanical Testing & Research Inc.
Dickson Testing
Honeywell (Czech Republich)
PRI
Stork FDO B.V.
Alcoa Fastening Systems (France)
Total attendees = 37.
1.3 MINUTES – The January 2004 meeting minutes were not approved, due to a lack
of a quorum.
1.4 NACLA ISO/IEC 17025 FREQUENCY
In 2005, the NACLA regulations require that full assessments to the ISO/IEC
17025 requirements must be conducted every two years; or a full assessment
must be conducted every five years, with on-site visits required on an annual
basis. The Nadcap Task Group Operating Procedure (NTGOP), Appendix 2
(Materials Testing), must be revised to comply with this change in requirements.
Discussion concerning the Mutual Recognition Agreement with NACLA ensued,
with the issue deferred to Closed Session for further discussion.
1.5 HARDNESS TESTING CHANGES/ISSUES
Bob Ellis of the David Ellis Company gave a presentation regarding the changes
introduced to ASTM E 18-03 for Rockwell Hardness testing. There will be
additional changes to this document this year. Over the last several years,
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changes have included the requirements for manufacturers of test blocks to state
uncertainties, allowing the use of carbide balls while requiring proper identification
of type, not mixing the use of carbide balls, blocks not certified with carbide balls,
and requiring the certification of test equipment by loading parameters rather than
blocks. The last item will result in improved confidence of results, but will cause
the elimination of older machines. The PowerPoint presentation is attached as
Attachment 1 of the minutes.
THURSDAY, APRIL 22, 2004 (OPEN SESSION)
2.0
OPENING COMMENTS
2.1 Call to Order/Quorum Check
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Keith Kastner.
2.2 Introductions were made by all attendees.
2.3 Attendance (see Wednesday, April 21, 2004)
2.4
TASK GROUP OPERATION
The Staff Engineer, David Luoni, presented information regarding the general
operation of the Nadcap accreditation program, specific to the Materials Testing
Task Group. This included information regarding business meetings, audit report
review, the controlling documents – SAE AS7101 and NTGOP-001, Appendix II;
and the eAuditNet process. This presentation is attached as Attachment 2.
2.5
NADCAP IPT STATUS
Discussion concerning the 4th quarter summary and the upcoming round of
testing. The next round was delayed slightly to complete the testing of the online registration and data submittal process through eAuditnet. The next round of
testing will be handled electronically.
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Honeywell will supply a set of qualified metallographic specimens to address
metallographic Round Robin concerns for an upcoming round of testing.
The GE representative requested that time on the July agenda be reserved for
discussion of an alternate methodology to the IPT program. A presentation
describing a program GE, SNECMA and Airbus have established with Centech
Laboratories (France) and Dirats Laboratories(US) will be made. Two hours will
be reserved on the agenda for the presentation and questions/answers.
ACTION ITEM: GE representative will supply an executive summary to the Staff
Engineer for distribution prior to the July meeting.
2.5 NON-METALLICS/COMPOSITES REQUIREMENTS
15.1.4 A review of all work accomplished by the subteam at the March 11-12,
2004 meeting in long Beach, CA at the Boeing facility. A copy of the AS7101 draft
document, based on the changes agreed to by the subteam, was provided. This
document is available as Attachment 3. The next subteam meeting is scheduled
for May 20-21, 2004 at the Boeing facility in Long Beach, CA. Two and a half days
are to be added to the agenda and the end of the week for the July meeting to
continue the work on the document by the subteam and any interested
participants.
2.6 AECMA-PRO/ PRI AGREEMENT
Arshad Hafeez, the program director of Industry Managed Programs for PRI, gave
a brief presentation concerning the agreement the was signed between AECMAPRO and PRI . A presentation was also made at the Nadcap Management
Council meeting concerning the agreement. Fluorescent Penetrant Inspection
and Heat Treating are the two processes currently being reviewed.
2.7 ADJOURNMENT
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