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NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED CONFIRMED MINUTES OCTOBER 22-25, 2012 OMNI WILLIAM PENN HOTEL PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA USA These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency. MONDAY, OCTOBER 22 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25 1.0 OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED 1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check The Nondestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 22-Oct-12. It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting. A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance: Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member) NAME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Peter Stephen Philippe Mitch Alain Tim Juergen Valdermir Austin Antonio Michael Richard David Michael Chris Steven Jim Luis Sylvain Robert Edward Phil Dr Hans Hermann Serge Marc-André Donald Steve Luigi Michael Dale COMPANY NAME Bartsch Bauer Beck Birzer Bouchet Brooks Burchards Campos Cauthen Ciliberto Clark Costantino Craig Daehling Davison Garner Graves Grijalva Héon Hogan Hohman Keown Kopp Labbé Lefebvre Maclean McCool Merletti Mitchell Norwood Premium Aerotec Northrop Grumman Corporation Eurocopter General Dynamics Corp. SAFRAN Group M7 Aerospace MTU Aero Engines Embraer Pratt & Whitney Amercon Alenia Aermacchi S.p.A. Sikorsky Aircraft Corp. Goodrich (UTAS) Pratt & Whitney Canada Cessna Aircraft Company Spirit AeroSystems Eaton Aerospace Rolls-Royce Corp. Lockheed Martin Bombardier Inc. Honeywell Aerospace Bell Helicopter Textron Inc. GE Aviation MTU Aero Engines Heroux-Devtek, Inc. Heroux-Devtek, Inc. Raytheon Company Honeywell Aerospace AgustaWestland Hamilton Sundstrand Parker Aerospace Stratoflex Products 1 Chairperson NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED * * * * * * * * * * * * Gary Robert David Kurt John Bobby Andrew Uri Chris Daniel Scott Peter Louis David Jon Tony Trish Sean Grzegorz O'Neill Rainone Royce Ruoff Sauders Scott Smith Sol Stevenson Stewart Sullivan Torelli Truckley Vaughn Voeller Warren Wesemann Wood Wryk Parker Aerospace Gas Turbine Fuel Goodrich (UTAS) Pratt & Whitney General Dynamics Corp. UTC Aerospace Systems Bombardier Inc. Spirit Aerosystems Israel Aerospace Industries Rolls-Royce PLC Pratt & Whitney Honeywell Aerospace The Boeing Company The Boeing Company Spirit AeroSystems US Air Force Airbus Boeing Company Triumph Group, Inc. Goodrich (UTAS) Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member) NAME * * * * * * * * * * John Christopher Amy Vincent Leandro Tomohiko Michael Andy Lawerence Shawn John Fredrick Griff Marc Diedra Graham N. David Massimo Wolfgang Michael Dwayne Mark Nathalie Kevin Robert Lakes Sharon Nate Paul Ben Darryl Richard George COMPANY NAME Abrahams Andersen Anderson Antonpillai Aparicio Ashikaga Ashton Bakewell Baldelli Ballou Baltrusitis Binda Braddock Breit Brunicardi Buswell Campbell Capriolo Casta Collingwood Cooper Crevier Crozat-Vigier Curry Custer Darrell Davis Eisinger Evans Flores Franklin Gasset Gieger RTI International Metals, Inc. PCC Structurals Aerospace Defense Lisi Aerospace Canada Advanced Coating Technique Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd Hexcel Kent E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd. Met-L-Test Laboratory Wyman Gordon Ducommun AeroStructures Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc. Braddock Metallurgical RIL-CHEMIE American Testing Services Bromford Industries West Penn Testing Group Bytest Shellcast Foundries Inc. A-Scan Laboratories Inc RTI International Metals, Inc. Morton Manufacturing SKF Aerospace France Haley Industries Ltd AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc. Precision Components International Northeast Testing & Mfg, LLC Perryman Company James Fisher IMS Applied Aerospace Structures Triumph Fabrications - Orangeburg Lisi Aerospace Braddock Metallurgical 2 Secretary Vice Chairperson NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED * * * * * * * * * * * * David Michael J. Helroth Bob Lisa Randy Don Steve Steve Jeff Richard Jan Edward Grant Kyle Jim John Bill Jerome Craig Jeremy Norm Dave John Juan Laura Nour James Juan M. Frank Mark Jonathan Scott Steve Jim Catherine Doug Cindy Glen Guy Frank Tim Jay Tammi John Michael D. Dawn Shane Kimberly Karl Bryon Gary David Dave Gray Guthmiller Heller Henchar Hill Hite Horzewski Hughes Hutchinson Jones King Kowal Lilley Lindsey Maloney Massia McKessy Mehal Militello Miller Miller Mitchell Moran Moreno Moyer Nasr Olejarczyk Perez Peszka Pompe Pugh Putnam Radelich Reinhardt Renfer Riley Roth Rudd Saenz Saenz Scarlett Scharenberg Schubert Smith Steele Stokes Tucker Vecchione Werner White White Wilk Williams Mitchell Labs Applied Aerospace Structures FACC X-R-I Testing Composites Atlantic Ltd. PCC Airfoils-Portland Ladish Co, Inc. Scot Forge Braddock Metallurgical Alloy Processing, Inc. New Hampshire Ball Bearings NDT AeroServices LLC Meyer Tool, Inc. Danville Metal Stamping The Timken Company Turbo Combustor Technology Howmet Corp/Hampton Casting Corpus Christi Army Depot Westinghouse Electric Co. Precise Machining & Mfg. Senior Aerospace, Ketema Division Composite Inspection Solutions Doncasters Precision Casting Omni Metal Finishing Alcoa Howmet Dover Casting RTI Claro Inc. Alcoa Forged Products Aircraft Xray Laboratories, Inc. Laboratory Testing Inc. West Penn Testing Group Exova UK Ltd. Embee Inc. Jorgensen Forge Applus RTD Canada LP ESCO Turbine Technologies Haley Industries Ltd. Team Industrial Services Braddock Metallurgical Hi-Tech Metal Finishing Hi-Tech Metal Finishing Danville Metal Stamping Ross Aluminum Castings LLC LMI Aerospace Inc. Sandvik Special Metals Northstar Aerospace PTI Industries Inc. LTC New Hampshire Ball Bearings Mitchell Labs Crane Aerospace Orbit Industries Inc. Semiray Special Process Major Tool & Machine PRI Staff Present Mark Aubele 3 NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED James Phil P. Michael Rhonda Stacey Bennett Ford Gutridge Joseph McKinley 1.1 Reviewed Agenda 1.2 The Vice-Chair gave the Introduction presentation. The new Nadcap video was shown covering Anti-Trust, Code of Ethics, Export Control, etc. The video was given at the beginning of the Open and Closed sessions. 1.3 The Nadcap criteria for Open vs. Closed meetings was presented during the Open and Closed sessions. 1.4 The New Members Presentation was given by Jim Bennett. 1.5 Review and Accept Minutes from Last Meeting Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Dave Vaughn to accept the June 2012 meeting minutes. Motion Passed. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to process new voting members. (DUE DATE: 31-Oct-12) 2.0 TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED There were 8 Auditor Observations performed since June 2012: #139425 Observed by Kurt Cunningham (Bombardier) #146777 Observed by Steve McCool (Honeywell) #149927 Observed by Wenbin Chen (GE Aviation) #146029 Observed by Chris Stevenson (Rolls Royce) #141193 Observed by Pete Torelli (The Boeing Co.) #148121 Observed by Dominique Tomasso (SAFRAN) #148474 Observed by David Jimenez Cerve (EADS) #144454 Observed by Simon Long (Airbus) Three Scope Extensions audits were conducted since June 2012. #138327 - One (1) extension requested and granted, prior to October 2012 meeting. Auditor / Scheduling related. Three (3) Auditor Advisories were issued, 12-05 NDT, 12-06 NDT, and 12-07 NDT. One (1) Supplier Advisory was issued 2163. One (1) Audit failure was overturned. Five (5) of 1011 Accreditations lapsed in 2011 or .05%. No Accreditations lapsed since June 2012. Audit report review percentage is at 43% overall for quorum. 3.0 TASK GROUP RESOLUTIONS – CLOSED A NUCAP deviation request was presented concerning AC7114/2 paragraph 4.3.4. NIP 7-03 Task Group Review procedure was reviewed as pertains to Task Group Resolution items. 4 NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to forward NUCAP deviation / clarification (AC7114/2 paragraph 4.3.4.) to the MT sub group. (DUE DATE: 30-Nov-12) 4.0 ETHICS & APPEALS – CLOSED Extension Requests brought forward during this meeting, #134872, #137332, #134794 and 134777 have scheduling issues. Motion made by Pete Torelli and seconded by Bob Hogan to grant an extension of 90 days for audit #134872. Motion Passed. Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Bob Rainone to grant an extension of 90 days for audit #137332. Motion Passed. Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Pete Torelli to grant an extension of 90 days for audit #134794 & 134777. Motion Passed. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff ensure that all accreditation extensions granted at the October Task Group meeting to be processed accordingly. (DUE DATE: 30-Oct-12) 5.0 NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED Compliance Jobs – There shall be 3 performed, if there are only 2 available a minor NCR is issued. This is the current practice. Is this still the expectation of the Task Group? This will be discussed during the open meeting. Are “dummy” parts allowed for compliance jobs? The Supplier produces “government secret” parts and is seeking an initial accreditation. Discussion ensued, no decision made. To be discussed next meeting. A Subscriber requested a VCA audit for #146479 in the Task Group ballot comments. Motion made by Rich Costantino and seconded by Dave Vaughn to have a VCA performed for # 146479. Motion Passed. Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Rich Costantino to grant a 90 day extension for Audit #140878 (current audit #146479). Motion Passed. Should a presentation on Nadcap activities be presented at ASTM meetings? Phil Keown provided updates in the past. Discussed, good idea, need to work on format. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to investigate steps on how to be included on the agenda for the next ASTM NDT committee meeting. (Due Date: 30-Nov-12) ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to develop presentation for ASTM meetings on Nadcap NDT activities. Use a format similar to Phil Keown’s. (Due Date: 25-Feb-13) A proposal was presented from Mike Gutridge concerning hiring of new Auditors; Staff wishes to implement a testing program prior to the interview process. This would be a general exam for the methods that the candidate wishes to audit. This would be administered prior to the Task Group interview process. If the results are unacceptable the prospective Auditor would not continue in the process. If acceptable the process would continue. Classroom training would be administered via WebEx (by PRI staff), Self-Study (using training programs developed) or onsite training by PRI staff. Specific examination would follow classroom training and would be Open book administered through the Learning Management System (LMS). Practical would remain the same. 5 NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Dave Royce to proceed with the proposal. PRI to develop the training process and questions for the exams. Motion Passed. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to develop examination database for prescreening Auditor candidates. (Due Date: 25-Feb-13) ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to revise NIP 6-01 and NTGOP Appendix to reflect the new prescreening process for Auditor candidates. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13) ACTION ITEM: NDT Staff to confer with Bob Lizewski (PRI) regarding use of Learning Management System for training NDT auditors. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13) An email that was sent to the Task Group concerning the review of audit packages was discussed. It was not deemed appropriate as it only affected another commodity’s criterion for documenting quality system via an attached copy of certification. No further action required. Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Ed Hohman to approve Dr. Hans Hermann Kopp, and Sean Wood for audit package review. Motion Passed. 6.0 SUPPLEMENTS – CLOSED Supplements are revised once a year unless there are major changes at a Subscriber. RollsRoyce has had such change. All proposed changes to be submitted to PRI no later than 31-Jan-13 to be considered. 7.0 METHOD SUB-TEAM / ADHOC TEAM – BREAKOUT SESSIONS – OPEN The teams met and discussed pertinent issues associated with the Nadcap NDT program. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to develop a presentation to explain what the sub-teams are and what they're all about for the new attendees at Task Group meetings. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13) ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to review February 2013 agenda to optimize the utilization of time for the subteam meetings during the Task Group meeting week. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13) 8.0 PRI REPORT / RAIL / NMC METRICS – OPEN The PRI report was presented by Jim Bennett. PRI Report 19OCT2012.pptx The RAIL (Rolling Action Item List) was presented and reviewed. 9.0 CLARIFICATION DATABASE – OPEN The Clarification Database was presented by Andy Bakewell and discussed. The database is available on eAuditNet for review. Motion made by Scott Sullivan and Andy Bakewell to have items added to the database forwarded to PRI Staff when received so that Staff can determine if it needs to be addressed by the subgroups allowing a quicker resolution. Motion Passed. 6 NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED ACTION ITEM: Andy Bakewell to provide Clarification Database items to PRI Staff when received to allow quicker resolution of issues with the Sub-Team and subsequently with the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 25Feb-13) 10.0 SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION – OPEN Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee’s Report. NDT SSC TG Report Oct2012.ppt 11.0 ADHOC TEAM REPORT OUTS – OPEN The Etch improvement sub-team provided an update. The NDT sub-team met with Chemical Processing sub-team to address questions from Nadcap Management Council (NMC). A revised business plan will be formulated and submitted to NMC for review. It was requested that the revised business plan be discussed during an NMC teleconference call prior to the February 2013 meeting. The other Adhoc teams did not meet to allow the Method Sub-Teams to meet for longer. Motion made by Chris Stevenson and seconded by Cindy Roth to add the following to the Ad-hoc team for the Filmless Radiography to develop a Computed Radiography (CR) checklist, Dale Norwood, Christopher Andersen, Paul Evans, Bill McKessy, Ken Lacivita, Sean Pickrell, John Massie, and Michael Daehling. Motion Passed. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to modify the Sub-Team / Adhoc Team lists to reflect the changes to individuals in the various groups and to include Computed Radiography (CR). (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13) 12.0 NADCAP AND NDT PROCEDURE REVIEW – OPEN Mike Gutridge provided an update to the group on the revised procedures that affect the Nadcap NDT program. An update was given on NIP 7-03 in regard to the process for Task Group Resolutions. When a resolution is requested by the Supplier an email will be sent to the Task Group asking for a response within 3 business days. The Task Group is to post their response in the “Task Group Discussion” section of the applicable NCR. The audit will be placed back into Supplier Review pending resolution. 13.0 REPORT OUT ON THE TASK GROUP CHAIR & STAFF ENGINEER ROUNDTABLE – OPEN Phil Keown reported: Auditor capabilities during an audit was discussed. If issues occur during the audit the Supplier will call PRI for help. Multiple Supplier advisories at a Supplier. If a Subscriber has a concern they can research it on eAuditNet on their own. NOP-002 paragraph 7.4.3 has been revised to clearly identify what had been spoken policy, that is, Suppliers are permitted to participate in Auditor Conferences if invited and they are presenting data. The Supplier is only allowed to participate when providing specific training. The intent is they will not be able to attend all of the training, just the portion they are giving. Balloting comments on non-balloted paragraphs. The purpose of the ballot is for the changes proposed. If there are comments outside that scope they will be addressed during the next cycle. 7 NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED The Task Group may address those proposed changes if they are deemed signification enough to impact the program. This will require re-balloting. Job audit tracking. The Auditors complete a form for their particular Task Group to monitor which Subscribers were included in previous audits for compliance jobs. Only three commodities have implemented variations of a job tracker. 14.0 TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS – OPEN If a new method Level 3 at a company is utilized are they required to approve the previously approved procedures / work instructions / technique cards by the previous Level 3? No re-approval of such documents is required; however the new method Level 3 is responsible for those procedures. Therefore indicating the previous Level 3 as part of the Root Cause for an NCR would not be acceptable. PRI Staff to issue Auditor Advisory. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue open Auditor Advisory to indicate the expectation of the Task Group in regards to new method Level 3’s approving procedures, work instructions, or techniques (approval is not necessary, however new method Level 3 takes ownership, therefore is accountable and identifying previous Level 3 is not acceptable root cause). (DUE DATE: 30-Nov-12) ACTION ITEM: Andy Bakewell to update clarification database to address expectations regarding new method Level 3’s approving procedures, work instructions, or techniques. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-12) Discussion ensued regarding the need to re-approve the NDT Written Practice if a new ‘Responsible’ Level 3 is used. Consensus was that it would not be necessary to reapprove. This however may conflict with the wording in NAS410 / EN4179. Clarification will be necessary from the AIA. ACTION ITEM: Mark Aubele to request AIA clarification regarding the expectation of who is required to approve the NDT written practice if a new responsible Level 3 is identified. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-12) Due to time restrictions, it was not possible to discuss compliance jobs. This will be added to the agenda for February 2013. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to include Compliance Jobs discussion with the Task Group for the February 2013 meeting. (DUE DATE: 9-Nov-12) 15.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN Jim Bennett presented the new members that are eligible to become voting members. Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Juergen Burchards to make Dr. Hans-Hermann Kopp of MTU Aero Engines a User Voting Member (UVM). Motion Passed. Motion made by Gary White and seconded by Cindy Roth to make Shawn Ballou of Wyman Gordon, Jeff Jones of Alloy Processing Inc, and Steve Raddich of Jorgensen Forge Supplier Voting Members (SVM). Motion Passed. Initial Auditor Training (IAT): there is a new web based training module for Auditors, released as part of the (NMC) Auditor Consistency directive. Mike Gutridge gave a talk on the new process. Are there any suggestions for the upcoming NDT Supplier symposium? The responsibilities and or training of Trainees, Level 1’s and Level 2’s. FPI system performance testing; top five NCR’s per method. Potentially utilize the training given to Auditors. ACTION ITEM: NDT Task Group to forward NDT Supplier Symposium ideas to PRI Staff. (DUE DATE: 25Feb-12) 8 NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED A corporate Level 3 has responsibilities for several locations. Is the Level 3 required to provide the certification exam if asked by the Auditor at each location? No, the Level 3’s certification documentation should only be reviewed at the Level 3’s location if they are undergoing a Nadcap NDT audit. For other locations, evidence of the NAS410 / EN4179 Level 3 certificate (valid during the date of the services provided) is only required. This is outlined in the Compliance Assessment Guidance (CAG) of AC7114 (section 5.0). Christopher Andersen from PCC gave a presentation on digitizing Inspectors Records, including training experience and exams. This presentation will be available on eAuditNet. ACTION ITEM: Christopher Anderson’s presentation on Digitizing Inspector records to be made available on eAuditNet. (DUE DATE: 30-Nov-12) Staff requested the possibility of creating sub teams to perform and oversee translations of the checklists. No additional discussion other than having Adhoc groups developed as necessary to translate documents on an as needed basis. Luigi Merletti volunteered to create an Italian translated checklist for Italian Suppliers. ACTION ITEM: Luigi Merletti to create the Italian translation of the checklists. (DUE DATE: 30-Jun-13) The Task Group has a new CSR, Stacey McKinley. Welcome to the team Stacey! 16.0 NDT CHECKLIST REVIEW – OPEN The Sub Teams have met and reports given. AC7114 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes. Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Rich Gasset to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the AC7114 paragraph 5.2.1 as presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed. Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Mike Mitchell to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the AC7114 paragraphs 5.2.2, 5.2.3, 5.2.4, 5.2.7, 5.2.8, 5.2.9, 5.3, 5.3.3, 5.3.10, 5.4, 5.4.1, 5.4.2, 5.4.3, 5.4.4, 5.4.5, 5.4.6, , 8.2.1. As presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed. The recommendations on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx for paragraphs 5.7, 5.7.1, 5.7.2, and 5.7.3 are tabled. Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Gary O’Neill to postpone the implementation of the AC7114/6 checklist. TABLED ITEM: This item has been tabled until the February 2013 Meeting. PRI has affirmed that implementation of the checklist cannot be postponed as it has already been released for use. The only option would be to cancel the document and start over. AC7114/3 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes. Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Dave Royce to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the AC7114/3 paragraphs 4.3.18, 6.10.8, 6.15.1, 6.10.3 as presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed. AC7114/4 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes. Changes from the Berlin meeting were presented, no changes as the result of this meeting. 9 NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED AC7114/1 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes. Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Bobby Scott to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the AC7114/1 paragraphs 5.5.1, 5.5.2, 5.10.2, 5.10.1, 5.10.3 as presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed. AC7114/2 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes. AC7114/2 Sub Team presentation tabled to readdress wording for proposed changes. Mike Gutridge presented proposed changes to NGTOP 001 App 1. Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Dave Royce to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 paragraphs Title, 2.1, 11.1 as presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to establish mechanism for monitoring time at Task Group meetings more effectively. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13) Document Change Spreadsheet 30OCT12.xlsx Seven (7) Auditors attended Digital Radiography, Digital Detector Array (DDA) conference. Training was completed and examinations given. There are now 7 Auditors capable of performing AC7114/6 audits. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to update a-frm-47 to reflect this addition in auditor capability. (DUE DATE: 1Dec-12) 17.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE (SSC) REPORT OUT ON THE SSC MEETING – OPEN The meeting consisted of 2 breakout sessions; 1 of new Suppliers and 1 of experienced Suppliers. 5 questions were presented to the groups and ideas given to prioritize action items. The questions centered on Information that can be helpful, what means should be utilized to resolve non-technical questions, how can SSC info be keep up to date, how can feedback be improved, and miscellaneous items. Under new business the idea of the post-audit survey (Supplier Feedback), some Suppliers don’t want to be honest due to NCR’s are not completed, due to fear of reprisals. Can the survey be completed after the audit is closed? Subscriber criteria may be based on industry standards, however many Subscribers then add caveats, can the Subscribers get together and be the same? 18.0 REPORT OUT ON THE PLANNING & OPERATIONS MEETING – OPEN The Chairperson stated that based on feedback that a new scope for the meeting has been developed, to provide a forum between the Task Groups and NMC. The NMC has an ad-hoc team looking at Auditor issues and sending Auditors to “unsafe” countries, no decision was made. It may be up to the Subscribers to decide how they will handle those Suppliers. The Nonconventional Machining & Surface Enhancement (NMSE) Task Group is thinking about splitting into separate groups. Aerospace Quality Systems (AQS) Task Group is considering accepting AS9003. There is discussion concerning too many meetings - NMC, Roundtable, Planning and Ops, etc.. No action planned as it appears only NDT was concerned. 10 NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED 19.0 SUPPLIER SYMPOSIUM – OPEN The symposium centered on the responsibilities of the NDT Level 3. ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to modify NDT Sequencing presentation of the Supplier Symposium to better reflect one of the slides (slide 9) associated with examples of compliance. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13) 20.0 EDDY CURRENT – OPEN Eleven (11) Auditors have passed the examination for Eddy Current and are capable of performing audits to the AC7114/5 checklist. There is ongoing discussion as to whether conductivity testing is to be added back into the checklist. This will be discussed during the Sub-Group. ACTION ITEM: Eddy Current Sub-Team to discuss whether Conductivity Testing should be added to the AC7114/5 checklist and report to the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13) ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to update a-frm-47 to reflect this addition in auditor capability. (DUE DATE: 1Dec-12) 21.0 DEVELOP AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 2013 – OPEN Suggestions were given regarding the Method Sub-Team / Ad-hoc Team breakouts. PRI will take steps earlier in the meeting to provide more time and possibly stagger to optimize attendance. Discussion ensued regarding the number of days for the next meeting. Motion made by Bob Hogan and seconded by Dave Vaughn to have a 4 1/2 day meeting in Dallas Feb 13. Motion Defeated. Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Dave Gray to have a 4 day meeting in Dallas Feb 13. Motion Passed. 22.0 RAIL & CLARIFICATION DATABASE REVIEW – OPEN Completed 23.0 MEETING FACILITATION FEEDBACK – OPEN It is with great pleasure that we thank Phil Keown for the many years of service as Chairperson of the NDT Task Group. ADJOURNMENT – 25 Oct 12– Meeting was adjourned at 12:00 p.m. Minutes Prepared by: David N. Royce david.royce@pw.utc.com RAIL: NDT Task Group RAIL USE THIS.xlsx 11 NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING OCTOBER 2012 CONFIRMED ***** For PRI Staff use only: ****** Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one) YES* NO *If yes, the following information is required: Documents requiring revision: Who is responsible: NTGOP-001 Appendix I M. Gutridge 30-Nov-12 NIP 6-01 Appendix NDT M. Gutridge 30-Nov-12 12 Due date:
