NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING (NDT)
JUNE 2014
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
JUNE 23-26, 2014
DUBLIN, IRELAND
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, 23-JUN-2014 to THURSDAY, 26-JUN-2014
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.0
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Nondestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 9:00 a.m. 23-Jun-2014.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
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Jeremy
Peter
Steve
Philippe
Alain
Marek
Juergen
Brian
Antonio
Mike
Paul
Richard
Herve
Chris
Joonhee
Robert
Serge
Niall
Marc-André
Donald
Scott
Jose
Steve
Michael
Hideki
Dale
Scott
Henryk
Febrizio
Robert
David
Victor
Bobby
COMPANY NAME
Barnes
Bartsch
Bauer
Beck
Bouchet
Bujak
Burchards
Burke
Ciliberto
Clark
Colfer
Costantino
Courreges
Dootson
Han
Hogan
Labbé
Leahy
Lefebvre
Maclean
Maitland
Martinez
McCool
Mitchell
Nakama
Norwood
O'Connor
Olszowy
Quadrini
Rainone
Royce
Schonberger
Scott
The Boeing Company
Premium AEROTEC GmbH
Northrop Grumman Corporation
AIRBUS Helicopters
SAFRAN Group
MTU Aero Engines GmbH
MTU Aero Engines GmbH
Honeywell
Alenia Aermacchi S.p.A.
Sikorsky Aircraft
Honeywell
Goodrich (UTAS)
Airbus
BAE Systems - MAI
The Boeing Company
Honeywell Aerospace
Heroux-Devtek, Inc.
Honeywell
Heroux-Devtek, Inc.
Raytheon Missile Systems
Goodrich (UTAS)
Liebherr Aerospace
Honeywell Aerospace
Hamilton Sundstrand (UTAS)
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd.
Parker Aerospace Group
Honeywell Aerospace
MTU Aero Engines Polska Sp. z o.o
AgustaWestland
Goodrich (UTAS)
Pratt & Whitney
Israel Aerospace Industries
Bombardier Inc.
Vice Chairperson
Chairperson
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Ralph
Sebastian
Chris
Tony
Jim
Sean
Stuart
Grzegorz
Sekkel
Stark
Stevenson
Warren
Winter
Wood
Wroot
Wryk
Lockheed Martin Corp.
Rolls-Royce Deutschland
Rolls-Royce Corporation
Airbus
Spirit AeroSystems
Triumph Group
AgustaWestland
Rolls-Royce
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
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Mark
Andy
Martyn
Marc
Lee
Massimo
Claude
Ray
Douglas
Andrew
Paul
David
Johanna
Paul
Yasushi
Jens
Rick
Josef
John
Paul
Stephen
Bill
Julie
Staci
Mark
Jonathan
Cindy
Gail
Ronald
Savas
Rene
JunTao
Wilfried
Gary
COMPANY NAME
Airey
Bakewell
Bills
Breit
Bruce
Capriolo
Chambon
Cosgrove
Davis
Dunbabin
Evans
Gray
Harrer
Johnson
Kakuda
Kiehn
Kuhns
Maier
Massie
May
Mayer
McKessy
Nguyen
Patterson
Pennington
Pugh
Roth
Shepheard
Stewart
Ulucan
Vrenn
Wang
Weber
White
PRI Staff Present
Mark
Mike
Dave
Andy
Aubele
Gutridge
Marcyjanik
Statham
Robert Stuart Ltd.
E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd.
Exova UK Limited
RIL-CHEMIE
Robert Stuart Ltd.
Bytest
Aubert & Duval
NDE Labs, Inc.
Alcoa Fastening Systems
Doncasters Chard
James Fisher NDT
Mitchell Laboratories Inc.
Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co. KG
Firth Rixson Forgings Ltd.
Fuji Heavy Industries
Otto Fuchs KG
Bristol Industries
Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co. KG
TurboCombustor Technology/ Paradigm Percision
Orange Coast Testing
South West Metal Finishing Ltd.
Alcoa Howmet
Element Materials
James Fisher NDT
Firth Rixson Forgings Ltd.
Exova NDT
Team Industrial Services
Doncasters Aerospace
Ellison Surface Technologies
FTB LISI Aerospace
Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co. KG
China Poly-Technology Establishment
PFW Aerospace AG
Orbit Industries Inc.
Secretary
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1.1
Reviewed Code of Ethics (Reference: Attendees’ Guide) and Meeting Conduct
1.2
Presented the PRI Antitrust Video
1.3
Reviewed agenda
1.4
Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes– OPEN
The minutes from the February 2014 meeting in London were approved as written after spelling
change for the name “Libby” to read “Bibby”.
Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Sean Wood to approve the minutes for the
meeting held in London February 2014. Motion Passed.
1.5
RAIL Review – OPEN
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed.
For specific details, please see the current NDT Rolling Action Item List posted at
www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
2.0
TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED
Mike Gutridge gave the Performance Review Institute (PRI) Regular Business presentation. It
addressed closed Auditor Advisories, Supplier Advisories, extension requests, failed and lapsed
audits.
3.0
TASK GROUP RESOLUTIONS – CLOSED
Dave Marcyjanik gave a presentation of the Task Group resolutions. No resolutions were put
forward.
4.0
NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED
Mike Gutridge discussed items arising from audits regarding request for additional information.
If additional information is required during the audit review process, PRI Staff should be notified
as to the specific issue to clarify. If other technical information is required, the Subscriber may
contact the Supplier directly to eliminate the possibility of re-auditing the Supplier and possible
export violations.
Motion made by Bob Hogan and seconded by Bob Rainone. Motion passed.
The following personnel completed the Task Group audit review training, have satisfied the
requirements, and have been voted as accepted as audit report reviewers:
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Jim Graves - Rolls Royce
Mike Clark – Sikorsky
Justin Payne - Cessna Aircraft
Marc-Andre Lefebvre – Heroux Devtek Inc.
Jim Winter – Spirit AeroSystems
Tony Warren – Airbus
Frederic Girard - Pratt & Whitney Canada
Steve McCool - Honeywell
Jinqiu Zhou - COMAC
Manuel Cabrara Jr - The Boeing Company
FangMei Chu – Honeywell
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Motion made by Sean Wood and seconded by Chris Stevenson. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Dale Norwood to remove the last sentence of
NTGOP-001, NDT Appendix NDT, Page 3, paragraph 7.2.that reads “To maintain review status,
the member must participate in at least one teleconference call or have reviewed 5 audits
packages in the review period.” Motion Failed (non persuasive).
Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Mike Clark to waive and extend audit report
reviewer status for the below named individuals until further review at the October 2014 Nadcap
Meeting in Pittsburgh. Motion Passed.
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Jim Graves - Rolls Royce
Mike Clark – Sikorsky
Justin Payne - Cessna Aircraft
Marc-Andre Lefebvre – Heroux Devtek Inc.
Jim Winter – Spirit AeroSystems
Tony Warren – Airbus
Frederic Girard - Pratt & Whitney Canada
Steve McCool - Honeywell
Jinqiu Zhou - COMAC
Manuel Cabrara Jr - The Boeing Company
Andy Statham discussed language issues highlighted during audits and the possibility of
misunderstanding the supplier’s responses. Andy will follow-up and ask other Task Groups how
they handle language barriers to the audit process.
ACTION ITEM: To discuss language issues with other Task Groups Actioned to Andy Statham.
(Due date: 1-Oct-2014)
The following auditor observations were performed
Audit 151481 performed by Grzegorz Wryk – Rolls Royce
Audit 152986 performed by FangMei Chu – Honeywell Aerospace
Audit 152087 performed by FangMei Chu – Honeywell Aerospace
Audit 153909 performed by Patricia Weseman – The Boeing Company
Audit 159068 performed by Tony Wu – Airbus Group
Audit 159068 performed by Pete Torelli – The Boeing Company
The Task Group discussed an extension to the accreditation for two overseas audits (156033 and
150723) where there were no auditors available.
Motion made by Bob Rainone and seconded by Sean Wood that due to unrest in the vicinity the
accreditation for audits 156033 and 150723 should be allowed to lapse (previous extensions have
been granted). Motion Passed.
Audit Report Reviewers Losing status– Group agreed that email should be generated as such “You have not met the minimum requirements to maintain audit reviewer status, there is not an
expectation for you to go through re-training at this time, but you will be extended one (1) more
audit review period before removal. If the 3rd report period passes without vote call participation
or audit reviews, you will be required to re-start the entire training process to become an audit
report reviewer.”
Compliance job issue for audit 157716, in regard to not having enough work for three compliance
jobs. The auditor emailed and asked what to do if the finding was non-sustaining from the
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previous audit. Initially the auditor was advised to issue a Major Nonconformance (NCR) for not
enough work and a Major Non-sustaining NCR against the Quality System was required.
However the issue was presented to the NDT Task Group while in session and the following was
decided: Motion – “A second NCR against not having enough compliance jobs would not be
considered as non- sustaining. This is in the case of an NCR in a previous audit for the same
issue as in a current audit. For the same issue, of not having enough jobs, the NCR will be minor
because the issue of parts is not directly related to the Quality Management System and may not
be under direct control of the supplier. An NCR issued will be a minor with no second NCR issued
against the QMS.”
Motion made by Victor Schonberger and seconded by Alain Bouchet to approve the above item.
Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Auditor Advisory to be issue. (Due Date: 17-Jul-2014)
5.0
NOP-012 AUDITOR CONSISTENCY – CLOSED
Mike Gutridge gave a presentation on auditor consistency. Reviewed the milestone chart that
tracks progress for actions required by NOP-012. Mike Gutridge will not update the auditor
observation spread sheet located in eAuditNet. It was not used and it took too much time to
populate the data. The Task Group was trained by Louise Stefanakis on how to search for
auditors / audits for observation.
Mike Gutridge discussed annual feedback to auditors to be provided by the Task Group.
Suggestions included the typical content of the topics for discussion.
Task Group discussed methods of evaluating auditor consistency.
Task Group Requested Audit Observations Support – Subscribers agreed to more support for
observations, however, many subscribers requested Nadcap Management Council (NMC)
support for obtaining funding to conduct more audit observations.
Auditor Consistency Rating Process - The NDT Group also agreed that we should use the results
from item 15 of the Supplier Feedback and that there should be a combination of face-to-face
interviews, WebEx, and possibly emails to inform auditors of their rating status. The group agreed
that the Auditor Consistency Team will have the ability to make decisions on behalf of the Task
Group in regards to the auditor rating notification process.
Redline Auditor Observation Priorities - The NDT Group agreed that priority is redline auditors for
observations, and then new auditors, then the rest of the auditors, and then Staff Engineers. The
Task Group did not reach a consensus as to how the priorities or timeline should be for
observation audits. The Task Group agreed that the Auditor Consistency Team will be granted
the authority to make decisions on behalf of the Task Group to decide the process for prioritizing
the audit observation process and the timeline determination.
Motion made by Steve McCool and seconded by Alain Bouchet to grant authority to the Audit
Observation Sub-Team allowing them to make decisions on metrics to be included in the
dashboard on behalf of the Task Group. Motion Passed.
Auditor Consistency Team will consist of the following members:
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Alain Bouchet
Richard Constantino
Bob Rainone
Bobby Scott
Scott Sullivan
Pete Torelli
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Tony Warren
Secondary Observations from Subscribers - Honeywell Aerospace representative would like to
incorporate their own Subscriber over audit information into the auditor observation process and
for use as a possible secondary observation process for all Subscribers. Use of this data is
acceptable as an additional tool, but cannot be used in place of audit observations.
NDT Dashboard - NDT Group agreed that the NDT Dashboard for auditor consistency should
mirror the presentation that Mike Gutridge presented as an option, however, the specific for the
timelines should be decided by the Auditor Consistency Team.
Clarification - What constitutes an observation audit, just the first day, or two days or the entire
audit? Task Group agreed that an observation audit consists of the entire audit, thus all days
being observed.
6.0
NOP-011 RISK MITIGATION PROCESS – CLOSED
Louise Stefanakis gave a presentation on Risk Mitigation for failed audits which included a
demonstration of the process in eAuditNet.
Mike Gutridge gave a presentation on the expectations of the Risk Mitigation process.
Following the presentation the Task Group discussed the expectations and issues with review of
audits that are failed. The intent is that a Subscriber of the failed Supplier will participate on the
audit review team for dispositioning the nonconformances. If there are no Subscribers listed and
there are no volunteers, the Task Group Chair has the authority to appoint Subscribers to the
audit review team.
Discuss audit failure ballot issue in regards to not failing the audit, but withdrawing the
accreditation. Some Subscribers have changed their vote from failure to require PRI to work the
audit, but withdraw the certificate of accreditation. Subscribers were told that the ballot would reopen and that the “not to fail” vote needs to “not withdraw accreditation”.
A Subscriber vote “not to fail” must not result in withdrawal of accreditation.
Also, if a Subscriber votes “not to fail” the Subscriber must fill in justification for that vote.
Steve Garner, Eaton Aerospace, has volunteered to be team lead for the risk mitigation review to
lend consistency to the process.
7.0
SUPPLEMENTS – CLOSED
No supplement changes were presented at this meeting.
8.0
PRI REPORT / RAIL /NMC METRICS – OPEN
Dave Marcyjanik gave the New Task Group Members presentation.
Dave Marcyjanik gave the PRI Staff Report containing information highlighted since the last
meeting. The information included staffing levels, audit cycle times, staff delegation, top 5 NCR’s
and RAIL items.
The Task Group reviewed and discussed the open items on the RAIL.
The Task Group reviewed the performance results for the delegated staff engineers.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Mike Mitchell to confirm and continue delegation
for PRI Staff Engineers, Mark Aubele, Jim Bennett, Phil Ford, Andy Statham, Mike Gutridge and
Dave Marcyjanik. Motion Passed.
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9.0
CLARIFICATION DATA BASE – OPEN
Andy Bakewell gave an overview of the clarification database.
10.0
SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION – OPEN
Gary White gave an overview of the Supplier Support Committee activities and initiatives.
11.0
NADCAP AND NDT PROCEDURE REVIEW – OPEN
Dave Marcyjanik gave an overview of the revisions made to the Nadcap procedures since the
February 2014 meeting in London.
The following procedures have been revised: NIP 4-01, NIP 4-02, NIP 8-01, NOP-001, NOP-003,
NOP-007, NOP-008, NOP-011, NOP-012, and NTGOP-001.
12.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE (SSC) REPORT OUT ON THE SSC MEETING – OPEN
Gary White gave a report on the Supplier Support Committee meeting. The following items were
noted:
Joe Pinto discussed the reasons for the audit price increases.
Kevin Ward gave a presentation on Risk Mitigation.
Richard Blyth gave presentation on NOP-012 for auditor consistency. A question was asked if the
Staff Engineers would be included in the Auditor Observation process. The answer was “Yes”, in
accordance with the procedure.
Tom Newton gave a presentation on the harmonization of PRI documents.
During the meeting feedback was given on the supplier survey.
13.0
METHOD SUB-TEAM – BREAKOUT SESSIONS – OPEN
This session was used to resolve audit checklist comments for ballots that closed 8-Jun-2014.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Gary White to approve the changes to AC7114,
paragraph 4.3.3 for the approval of auditors by the Responsible Level 3. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Alain Bouchet and seconded by Dave Royce to approve the changes made to
AC7114, paragraph 4.3.3 include all quality requirements shall be implemented. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Cindy Roth to approve the amendments to
AC7114 paragraph 4.3.3, add N/A to the question where audits are performed by the
Responsible Level 3. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Cindy Roth and seconded by Dave Royce to approve the changes made to
AC7114, paragraph 5.1.1. Motion Failed-Non-persuasive.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Andy Bakewell to approve the amendments to
AC7114, paragraph 5.1.1. Motion Failed-Non-persuasive.
Motion made by Mike Clark and seconded by Gary White to approve the amendments
AC7114 paragraph 5.4.5. (Bakewell comment.) Motion Passed.
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Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Andy Bakewell to approve the amendments to
AC7114, paragraph 5.4.5 for eye test expiry dates. (Vasquez comment). Motion Failed -Nonpersuasive.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Sean Wood to approve the changes to AC7114/1,
paragraph 6.15.1, for focusing of the white light on the parts when used for visual inspection.
Motion Passed.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Andy Bakewell to withdraw the above motion for
focusing of the white light on the parts when used for visual inspection. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Sean Wood to approve the amendment to
AC7114/2, paragraph 4.3.11 (and throughout) for the use of flux indicators or notched shims, and
not use trade names. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Bob Hogan and seconded by Cindy Roth to approve the amendments to
AC7114/2, paragraph 6.1.4. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Gary White and seconded by Cindy Roth to approve the amendments to
AC7114/2, paragraph 6.1.6. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Philippe Beck to approve the amendments to
AC7114/2, paragraph 7.5.5. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Chris Stevenson to approve the amendments
to AC7114/3. In essence, AC7114/3 and AC7114/7 are separate documents that stand alone for
accreditation. No further action required. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the amendments to
AC7114/4, paragraph 5.4.1. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Steve McCool and seconded by Chris Stevenson to approve to approve the
amendments to AC7114/4, paragraph 5.6.1 and 5.6.5.4. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Doug Davies to approve the amendments to
AC7114/5, paragraph 3.1.3 and 3.1.3.1. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Steve McCool and seconded by Cindy Roth to approve the amendments to
AC7114/5, paragraph 3.2.2 and 3.2.2.1. Motion Passed.
14.0
METHOD TEAM – REPORT OUT – OPEN
Combined with Section 13 to resolve audit checklist ballot comments.
15.0
TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS – OPEN
Chris Stevenson gave a presentation on Pre Cleaning prior to Penetrant Testing. The
presentation describes the possibilities of surface contamination during the cleaning process.
The Task Group discussed the issues involved with the NDT testing of fasteners.
A discussion regarding potential issue when etching clad material prior to penetrant testing. The
only potential issue is that there may be excessive fluorescent background present due to surface
roughness after etch.
Mike Gutridge gave a presentation for the changes in processes for NOP-011, Risk Mitigation
and NOP-012, Auditor Consistency.
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Chris Stevenson and Andy Bakewell gave a presentation on LED UV/A lights.
ACTION ITEM: Post the UV and LED light presentation to eAuditNet folders. (Due Date: 28-Jul2014)
Digital Detector Array (DDA) and Computed Radiography (CR) Method Team Chair - The Chair
for the AC7114/6 and AC7114/8 Method Team is Chris Stevenson.
DDA and CR Method Team - The AC7114/6 and AC7114/8 Method Team are one and the same
as the technologies are similar, as confirmed by the Task Group.
New Chair for Magnetic Particle (MT) Method Team - Bob Hogan is unable to attend more than
one meeting per year and requested to be relieved of the Chair position. Mike Clark stepped up
as new Chair for MT Method Team.
Put forward for Eddy Current Inspection (ET) group – check on validity of “one point in range of
use” in question 3.1.3 of /5 checklist – should this be 3 points in range of use? What is
engineering requirement?
ACTION ITEM: ET Method Team to evaluate calibration requirement for field indicators / gauss
meters. (Due Date: 20-Oct-2014)
16.0
AD-HOC TEAM – BREAKOUT SESSIONS - OPEN
Penetrant Inspection (PT) / Magnetic Particle (MT) AD-Hoc Team break-out - UV LED Light
discussion:
Dave Marcyjanik, Andy Bakewell, Chris Stevenson, Steve McCool, Dave Royce, Alain Bouchet,
Marc Breit, Richard Constantino, Bobby Scott , Donald MacLean, Michael Mitchell, Mike Clark
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UV LED lamps read higher value by 15-20% when switched on prior to warm-up – after
warm-up value drops considerably by not consistent with time
Beams have huge fade off drop in intensity
LED has very broad band emissions compared to Arc lamps
Certificates are okay but are not the same as “Validity reports” which actually verify the beam
and emissions
Some UV LED sources are intended for other purposes and are not acceptable for NDT uses
in wavelength
Some Suppliers of UV LED lights for NDT use a mix of bulbs to save money
Some UV lamps have a switchable white light built into the UV lamp
REPORT OUT ON THE PLANNING & OPERATIONS MEETING – OPEN
Bobby Scott gave an overview of the Planning and Operations meeting. During that meeting he
gave a report out of NDT status and activities over the past year.
18.0
AD-HOC TEAM – REPORT OUT – OPEN
No decisions made – Dave Royce has generated some initial questions for the AC7114/1 and
AC7114/2 checklists regarding the verification and use of UV/ LED lights. Discussions created a
few clarifications to the preliminary checklist questions, more work to follow by the ad hoc UV
LED Team.
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Ad hoc UV LED Team:
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Philippe Beck
Marc Breit
Chris Stevenson
Andy Bakewell
Dave Royce
Jim Fowler
Savas Ulucan
John Massie
ACTION ITEM: Team to meet prior to October 2014 meeting. (Due Date: 20-Oct-2014)
19.0
DOCUMENT CHANGE SPREADSHEET (DCS) REVIEW – OPEN
Mike Gutridge gave a presentation on the proposed document changes since the last meeting.
Add to the Document Change Spreadsheet (DCS) - AC7114 4.4.3 Andy Statham – Add to CAG:
Individuals shall be subject to a performance review for all NDT methods for which they hold
Certification.
Add to the Document Change Spreadsheet - AC7114 3.2.1 Andy Statham - should be a data
entry point, not a Yes/No question
20.0
ETCH INSPECTION SUB-TEAM MEETING WITH CHEMICAL PROCESSING – OPEN
Draft etch inspection checklist was reviewed and proposed changes made. Nigel Cook to revise
the draft document and format. Document then to be sent to all team members for review and
comment. There is still some discussion regarding the number of compliance jobs that can be
completed in the time allotted (1 day audit) if the supplier has more than two of the etch
inspection methods. Some team members believe a test audit is necessary prior to balloting the
draft checklist to make sure it can be completed within the time allowed. Goal was to ballot the
document by end of July.
21.0
NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
A discussion took place on the need for a new Supplier NDT Task Group Representative on NMC
to replace Bob Custer, who has retired.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Paul Evans to approve Gary White as the NDT
Supplier Task Group member on NMC. Motion Passed.
The following were proposed as Supplier Voting Members:
Savas Ulucan of Lisi Aerospace - Alternate Supplier Voting Member
Mark Airey of Robert Stuart Ltd - Supplier Voting Member
Lee Bruce of Robert Stuart Ltd - Alternate Supplier Voting Member
Paul May of Orange Coast Testing - Supplier Voting Member
Staci Patterson of James Fisher NDT - Alternate Supplier Voting Member
Motion made by Gary White and seconded by Paul Evans to approve. Motion Passed.
Auditor Advisory Recommended – Task Group clarification - Eye adaptation is not required for
any process control checks. These checks include the TAM panel check, the developer
contamination check and the Ketos/AS5282 ring checks.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to generate advisory. (Due Date: 28-Jul-2014)
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Annual Internal Audits – Discussion in NMC regarding annual versus periodic internal audits. No
agreement except that this item should be put forward for discussion by the AC7114 Method
Team. There are six (6) Subscribers that have an engineering requirement for an annual internal
audit of the NDT process.
ACTION ITEM: Send to method team for discussion. (Due Date: 20-Oct-2014)
AC7114/1/2 – Questions AC7114/1 paragraph 5.13.11 and AC7114/2 paragraph 5.4.11 need
changed. These questions apply to H44GS bulbs only and not LED.
ACTION ITEM: Further work required by PT and MT Method Teams. (Due Date: 20-Oct-2014)
Penetrant Pooling - What constitutes penetrant pooling AC7114/1 paragraph 6.7.6. Decision to
add CAG to this question stating that every effort must be made to minimize pooling.
ACTION ITEM: Verbiage to be provided by PT Method Team. (Due Date: 20-Oct-2014)
NiCr panel usage – decision of the task group is to leave this delineation in the Clarification
Database. The Supplier should define the processing steps in its entirety in their procedure to
include what they define as hold out samples.
DCS addition – To comply with the requirement for (2) ½ second shots, can (1) 2 second shot be
utilized and compliant? Yes, but if 2 shots are required, then 2 shots will be utilized for the
process regardless of shot length. Add CAG to AC7114/2 “For customers that require just one
single shot, the time and duration of pulses are to be defined by specific customer requirements.”
ACTION ITEM: Andy Bakewell to incorporate item in Clarification Database. (Due Date: 28-Jul2014)
Honeywell Issue – For Suppliers that utilize alternating current only for Magnetic Particle
Inspection, the gauss meters are only calibrated in direct current. Is this compliant? No answers
or resolutions were obtained, left to each Subscriber to handle.
Prior to Penetrant Inspection solvent cleaning issue discussion – Alkalinity and corrosiveness is
an issue with silicate based solvents, in regard to silicate based solvents clogging TAM panels.
Tabled for further discussion in October 2014. Alain Bouchet and Andy Bakewell to lead
discussion.
Bonding of calibrated gages – See the general requirements tab in the Clarification Database,
item 6. Calibration period starts on the date of the actual calibration, no bonding of electrical or
mechanical NDT items is allowed.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to generate an open Auditor Advisory. (Due Date: 28-Jul-2014)
Information Only: Supplier’s received letter advertising Aerospace Conference requesting cash
for political exposure to Subscribers during conferences – Subscribers not aware of the scam
overseas (Taiwan).
Information Only: Supplier’s brought forward issue of advertisement of color vision corrective
lenses for color vision problems. Not recognized as valid by Subscribers.
Dryer oven calibrations – Captured in DCS – AC7114/1 5.12.2 one point calibration requirement
should be 3 point calibration requirement.
NTGOP-001 Appendix NDT - To be changed for VCA audits with 0 NCRs to require no Task
Group review. No one had issues or any comments. Accepted the proposed change as
presented.
NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING (NDT)
JUNE 2014
CONFIRMED
Discussion ensued regarding use of magnification for film evaluation. Many do not use vision
correction lenses when using magnifiers. Is this a violation of the certification requirements?
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Steve McCool to approve the following.
Magnification that requires self- focus may be used as an aid in interpretation without other vision
correction. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Open Auditor Advisory to be issued for the use of magnification during inspection.
PRI to generate. (Due Date: 28-Jul-2014)
Motion made by Gary White and seconded by Dave Royce to remove Cory McGraw of PM
Testing as a Supplier Voting Member. Failure to attend the required number of meetings. Motion
Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Chris Stevenson agreed to write article about Defect Rate Monitoring expectations.
(Due Date: 20-Oct-2014)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to add Jim Winter to AC7114/4, AC7114/6 and AC7114/7 Method Teams. (Due
Date: 28-Jul-2014)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to add Marc Breit to AC7114/1 Method Team. (Due Date: 28-Jul-2014)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to add Savas Ulucan to AC7114/1 Method Team. (Due Date: 28-Jul-2014)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to add John Massie to PT UV LED Ad hoc Team. (Due Date: 28-Jul-2014)
22.0
DEVELOP AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 2014 – OPEN
Agenda Item for October 2014 Nadcap Meeting – Look at and assess NOP-011 NDT Failure
Criteria
Agenda Item for October 2014 Nadcap Meeting – SMART Checklist Review
Agenda Item for October Nadcap Meeting - Etch auditor training for auditors and Staff Engineers
Monday morning of October 2014 meeting.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Steve McCool to approve a four-day meeting for
Pittsburgh October 2014. Motion Passed.
23.0
RAIL & CLARIFICATION DATABASE REVIEW – OPEN
Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Gary White to approve the amendments made to
the clarification database. Motion Passed.
24.0
MEETING FACILITATION FEEDBACK – OPEN
Request from Dave Royce to remove Scope extensions and Supplier advisories from regular
presentations to save time – “We know about these between meetings and do not need the
briefing”.
ACTION ITEM: To add to the agenda for discussion at the October 2014 meeting. (24-Jul-2014)
ADJOURNMENT – 26-Jun-14 – Meeting was adjourned at 4:30 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Tony Warren – tony.warren@airbus.com
NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING (NDT)
JUNE 2014
CONFIRMED
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select
one)
YES* ☒ NO ☐
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision:
Who is responsible:
NTGOP-001 Appendix NDT
Phil Ford
Due date:
15-Aug-2014