NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING
FEBRUARY 2013
CONFIRMED MINUTES
CONFIRMED MINUTES
FEBRUARY 18-21, 2013
WESTIN PARK CENTRAL HOTEL
DALLAS, TEXAS, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent
meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the
Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, 18-FEB-13 to THURSDAY, 21-FEB-13
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The NonDestructive Testing Task Group (NDT) was called to order at 8:03 a.m., 18-FEB-13
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of
the meeting.
Each member of the Task Group was asked to introduce themselves.
The new Nadcap video was shown covering Anti-Trust, Code of Ethics, Export Control, etc. The
video was given at the beginning of the Open and Closed sessions.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
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Peter
Stephen
Philippe
Alain
Juergen
Manuel
Sheng
Michael
Richard
Grant
Jean
Chris
Chris
Fred
M’hamed
Steve
Steven
Frederic
Jim
Luis
Thomas (Mike)
Robert
Phil
Serge
Marc-André
Donald
Steve
Bartsch
Bauer
Beck
Bouchet
Burchards
Cabrera
Cheng
Clark
Costantino
Crawford
Czachor
Davison
Dootson
Ehrlich
Elhaouari
Gant
Garner
Girard
Graves
Grijalva
Guinn
Hogan
Keown
Labbé
Lefebvre
Maclean
McCool
COMPANY NAME
Premium Aerotec
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Eurocopter
SAFRAN Group
MTU Aero Engines
The Boeing Company
COMAC
Sikorsky Aircraft Corp.
Goodrich (UTSA)
The Boeing Company
GE Aviation
Spirit AeroSystems
BAE Systems – MAI
Triumph Aerostructures
Bombardier Inc.
Parker Aerospace
Eaton Aerospace
Pratt & Whitney Canada
Rolls-Royce
Lockheed Martin
Bell Helicopter
Honeywell Aerospace
GE Aviation
Heroux-Devtek, Inc.
Heroux-Devtek, Inc.
Raytheon Company
Honeywell Aerospace
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Michael
Dale
Gary
Justin
Robert
Robert
Carl
David
John
Bobby
Ralph
Bob
Chris
Terho
Pat
Walter
Peter
David
Tony
Jim
Sean
Gregory
Jinqiu
Mitchell
Norwood
O'Neill
Payne
Rainone
Reynolds
Roche
Royce
Sauders
Scott
Sekkel
Steffen
Stevenson
Sulkupuro
Thompson
Tonizzo
Torelli
Vaughn
Warren
Winter
Wood
Wryk
Zhou
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Hamilton Sundstrand (UTAS)
Parker Aerospace Stratoflex Products Div
Parker Aerospace Gas Turbine Fuel System Div
Cessna Aircraft Company
Goodrich (UTAS)
The Boeing Company
Goodrich ISR
Pratt & Whitney
Vice Chairman
UTC Aerospace Systems
Bombardier Inc.
Chairman
Lockheed Martin Corp.
Raytheon Precision Mfg.
Rolls-Royce
GKN Aerospace Sweden AB
Honeywell Aerospace
Heroux-Devtek
The Boeing Company
Spirit AeroSystems
Airbus
Secretary
Spirit AeroSystems
Triumph
Goodrich Corporation
COMAC
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
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Christopher
Michael
Amy
Andy
Christopher
Paula
Doug
Martin
Fredrick
Adan
Marc
N. David
Anthony
Eric
Claude
Ray
John
Robert
Brandan
Ben
Richard
Brendon
Norma
David
Melany
Steven
Bob
Mark
Randy
Helmuth
Jeff
Andersen
Ashton
Azzano
Bakewell
Barnett
Barnett
Barra
Belanger
Binda
Borunda
Breit
Campbell
Cardman
Carlson
Chambon
Cosgrove
Cristman
Custer
Fix
Flores
Gasset
Gesler
Gonzalez
Gray
Guzman
Heckard
Henchar
Hill
Hite
Hoeller
Jones
COMPANY NAME
PCC Structurals Inc.
Hexcel Kent
Arrow Gear Company
E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd.
DCI Aerotech
Doncasters IET
X-Ray Industries
Sonaca Montreal Inc.
Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc.
Cimav S.C. Mexico
RIL-CHEMIE
West Penn Testing Group
Weatherford Aerospace Inc.
Esterline - Hytek Finishes
Aubert et Duval
NDE, Inc.
X-R-I Testing
AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc.
GE Transportation
Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.
Lisi Aerospace
Ekenebt St Paul
Intergrated Quality Services
Mitchell Labs
Cimav S.C. Mexico
Northstar Aerospace (Chicago)
X-R-I Testing
Parker Aerospace
PCC Airfoils-Portland
FACC AG
Alloy Processing, Inc.
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Richard
Mike
Richard
Randy
Richard
Sharon
Denis
John
Hajime
Bill
Zachary
Silvia
Dave
Kathleen
Kent
Blair
Carrell
Mante
Mahlogonolo
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Venicia
Bobby
Steve
Carlos
Cindy
Frank
Tony
Michael D.
Dawn
Wes
Gary
Terrence
Rob
King
Kocka
Kline
Layton
Lewis
Mack
Mailoux
Massia
Matsunaga
McKessy
Medeiros
Miranda
Mitchell
Mizani
Neville
O'Connell
Owen
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New Hampshire Ball Bearings
Arrow Gear
X-R-I Testing
Hytek Finishes
PCC Structurals Inc.
PM Testing Laboratory Inc.
Sonaca Montreal Inc.
Turbo Combustor Technology
Kawasaki Heavy Industries LTD.
Howmet Corp/Hampton Casting (HHC)
Timken Aerospace
Cimav S.C Mexico
Composite Inspection Solutions
GE Transportation
Aerojet Corporation
Precision Castparts Corp.
Denison Industries
Phakathi
Queen
Queen
Radelich
Rosbrugh
Roth
Saenz
Schmaltz
Steele
Stokes
Strickland
White
White
Yocom
Turbomeca Africa
Vandergriff Technologies
Vandergriff Technologies
Jorgensen Forge
CLR Testing & Inspection LLC..
Team Industrial Services
Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
Protective Coatings Inc.
Northstar Aerospace
PTI Industries Inc.
NDE Labs
Orbit Industries Inc.
Special Metals Corp.
Imagineering Finishing Tech.
PRI Staff Present
Mike
Phil
Mark
Andy
1.1
Gutridge
Ford
Aubele
Statham
New Member’s Presentation
A presentation was delivered by Phil Ford, showing the structure and operation of the Task Group.
1.2
Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes – OPEN
An amendment was proposed for Paragraph 6 of the amended minutes to change the date from
2012 to 2013.
Motion made by Dave Vaughn to accept the minutes and Seconded by Mike Mitchell.
Motion Passed.
The minutes from October 2012 meeting were approved as changed.
1.3
Phil Ford gave an overview of the meeting agenda.
2.0
PRI REPORT / RAIL / NMC Metrics – OPEN
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PRI report was presented by Phil Ford.
2.0 PRI Report - Feb
2013.pptx
3.0
CLARIFICATION DATABASE – OPEN
The Clarification Database was presented by Andy Bakewell and discussed. The database is
available on eAuditNet for review.
Various items highlighted will be discussed during the Task Group method team breakout sessions.
During the formulation of (MPI) instructions/techniques, they must including the requirement to
identify part dimensions. No consensus could be reached. Item tabled for further discussion at this
meeting. This item was passed to the Magnetic Particle (MT) subgroup for consideration.
ACTION ITEM: Magnetic Particle (MT) Sub Team to discuss the need for dimensions to be identified or
traceable on or to the techniques. (Due Date: 31-May-13)
4.0
SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION – OPEN
Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee’s Report
NDT SSC TG Report
Feb2013.ppt
Mike Gutridge gave some clarification in regards to the use of waive, approve and approve with
comment during document ballots.
5.0
NADCAP AND NDT PROCEDURE REVIEW – OPEN
Phil Ford provided an update to the group on the revised procedures that affect the Nadcap NDT
program.
There were no amendments to the procedures that required action by the Task Group with the
exception of NOP-008 and NOP-011 mentioned in the motion detailed below. Task Group
discussed the current failure criteria that was released December 2012. There is insufficient data to
warrant consideration of any changes to either procedure.
A motion was made by Pete Torelli and seconded by Dave Vaughn to accept NOP-008 and NOP011 without change. Motion Passed.
6.0
METHOD SUB-TEAM / AD-HOC TEAM – BREAKOUT SESSIONS – OPEN
A discussion took place regarding the membership of the method sub teams. The following
personnel were added to the membership of the noted teams:
AC7114: Alain Bouchet; New Chair
AC7114/2: Jim Graves; Team Member
AC7114/3: Steve Bauer, Jinqiu Zhou, Lou Grijalva; Team Member(s)
AC7114/6: Blair O’Connor, Bill McKessy; Team Member(s)
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A discussion took place on the membership of the method Ad-Hoc teams. Personnel were added
to the membership of the teams.
Digital CR/DDA: Marty Pelletier, Chuck Musson, Lou Grijalva; Team Member(s)
Auditor Development Team: Rob Yocom
Motion made by Phil Keown and seconded by Chris Stephenson to approve the following
personnel for inclusion in the CR Ad-Hoc team Marty Pelletier, Chuck Musson as they are not
members of the NDT Task Group. Motion Passed.
7.0
TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED
Regular Business report was presented by Phil Ford.
There were 3 Auditor Observations performed since October 2012:
#146040 Observed by Alain Bouchet (SAFRAN)
#147990 Observed by Steve Baister (Rolls-Royce)
#145674 Observed by Chris Dootson (BAE Systems)
Five (5) Scope Extension audits were conducted since October 2012.
Five (5) Auditor Advisories were issued, 12-08 NDT, 13-01 NDT, 13-02 NDT, 13-03 NDT and 14-04
NDT.
Eight (8) Supplier Advisories were issued 2195, 2203, 2224, 2225, 2229, 2232, 2233 and 2235.
Six (6) Audit failures, zero failures were overturned.
No Accreditations lapsed since October 2012.
Audit report review percentage is at 36% overall for quorum.
8.0
TASK GROUP RESOLUTIONS – CLOSED
Audit #145932 (NCR001) & 145933 (NCR002) were discussed by the Task Group and both
findings were considered valid. The Supplier has requested to address both findings.
Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Bob Reynolds, to recognize the audit findings as
valid. Motion Passed (Abstention by Phil Keown).
9.0
APPEALS, ETHICS & EXTENSION REQUESTS– CLOSED
A review took place on the following appeals regarding merit.
Appeal: 2013.003, 2013.004
For appeal 2013.003, motion made by Phil Keown and seconded by Dave Vaughn to deny the
appeal. Motion Passed.
For appeal 2013.004, motion made by Phil Keown and seconded by Dave Vaughn to deny the
appeal. Motion Passed (Abstention by Chris Stevenson).
Eleven (11) extensions requested and granted, since October 2012 meeting. These extensions
were due to Auditor / Scheduling related issues. (#146479, #144209, #143651, #137332, #146040,
#144941, #144508, #144972, #147755, #147756 & #147846)
10.0
NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED
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With regards to the audit report review by Subscribers detailed in NTGOP-001 Appendix NDT, the
Task Group Chairperson has accepted the list of voting members as current and correct.
Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Bob Hogan to approve Pete Torelli as AQS liaison
with Phil Keown as an alternative to represent the NDT Task Group on the Aerospace Quality
System Task Group. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Phil Keown and seconded by Dave Vaughn to no longer require generation of the
Subscribers sub-group listing for performing review of audits in eAuditNet. Motion Passed
A Task Group member (Pete Torelli) identified a Supplier where a potential product impact issue
may exist regarding pre-penetrant etching. The details are to be submitted to the PRI Staff
Engineers for a type “P” advisory to be raised.
The NDT Task Group Chair elected to retain 309th Maintenance Wing – Hill AFB Subscriber voting
member status.
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SUPPLEMENTS – CLOSED
Supplements are revised once a year unless there are major changes to a Subscribers
documentation that could have impact on the process.
Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve all supplement check
lists with changes noted on the document change spread sheet. Motion Passed.
12.0
NDT CHECKLIST REVIEW – OPEN
A discussion took place on the amendment made to the checklists.
Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the amendments of
checklist AC7114 for paragraphs 5.3.13 and 8.3.2. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Phil Keown to approve the amendments of
checklist AC7114/1 for paragraphs 5.13.12, 5.14.10, 5.14.1, 5.14.12 and 6.17.3 (re-numbering
other sections as appropriate). Motion Passed.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the amendments of
checklist AC7114/1 for paragraphs 5.12.1 and 5.13.5. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Phil Keown to approve the amendments of
checklist AC7114/1 for paragraphs 5.9.2, 5.10.2 and 6.9.6. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve the amendments to
checklist AC7114/1 for paragraphs 3.4.1 and 5.11.1, these were revisions to changes previously
approved. Motion denied.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Chris Stephenson to approve the amendments to
checklist AC7114/1 for the compliance assessment guidance to paragraph 3.4.1. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve the amendments to
checklist AC7114/2 for paragraphs 5.1.4, 5.4.5, 5.4.12, 6.1.6 and 7.8.3 (re-numbering other
sections as appropriate). Motion Passed.
Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve the amendments to
checklist AC7114/2 for paragraph 6.1.3. Motion Passed.
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Motion made by Andy Bakewell and seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve the amendments to
checklist AC7114/2 for paragraphs 3.2.2, 4.3.4, 5.5.9 and 6.1.1. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the amendments to
checklist AC7114/3 for paragraphs 4.3.18 and 6.1 A, B and C. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the amendments to
checklist AC7114/4 for paragraphs 4.3.32, 5.4.1, 5.6.2 , 6.7.3 and 6.1 A,B and C. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Pete Torelli to approve the amendments to
checklist AC7114/5 for paragraphs 1.0, 2.0, 3.2, 3.2.1, 4.3.1, 5.1.1, 5.2.1, 5.2.2 and 6.1 A,B and C.
Motion Passed.
PRI will make a change to paragraph 2.0 of AC7114/5 and /6 to remove the “Go Forward Plan”.
This is an editorial change.
Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the amendments to
NTGOP-001 Appendix NDT paragraph 6.2. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to remove the “Go Forward Plan” statement /5 and /6 checklist and ballot. (Due
Date: 31-May-13)
13.0
SSC REPORT OUT ON THE SSC MEETING – OPEN
Gary White gave an overview of the Supplier Support Committee meeting. The following items
were discussed:
- A report on Audit matrix and Supplier response times.
- A report out from NMC discussing consistencies, time intervals, standardizing and templates.
- A discussion took place on the next Supplier survey, for which questions will be requested after
the Dallas 2013 meeting.
- A Round table discussion took place which was led by Alcoa, sharing Nadcap experiences.
14.0
TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS– OPEN
Phil Keown talked about the next revision of NAS410 / EN4179 with regards to the interpretation of
the phrase “open book” specific examinations, which had previously caused confusion. The intent
is that all of the specific examination questions are interpretive in nature.
The Task Group discussed Maintenance, Repair & Overhaul (MRO) and Material Review Board
(MRB) in relationship to Eddy Current on how the process is appropriate to the AC7114/5 checklist.
This is to be addressed in the next revision of the checklist.
15.0
NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
The Task Group made the following clarifications:
The meaning of “Family of Penetrants” was clarified as being from one manufacturer apart from
developer.
The use of different manufactures for Magnetic Particle detection media (powder) and the carrier
fluid is acceptable. It is not acceptable to mix the Magnetic Particle detection media (powder) from
different manufactures.
It is unacceptable to use the same dummy parts when performing a compliance job in subsequent
audits.
During the performance of the compliance job it is expected that three work packages will be
completed. If there are only 2 jobs available a minor NCR is issued.
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A discussion took place on the revision status of the equipment lists (attachments) to ensure that
the correct information is recorded within the audit. It was recommended they maintain the same
revision level as the associated audit checklist.
ACTION ITEM: PRI staff to align current equipment lists with the associated audit checklists with the
upcoming revision. (Due Date: 31-May-13)
A discussion took place on the introduction of an attendance / daily audit briefing log to ensure the
correct levels of communications are maintained between the Auditor and the Supplier during the
end of day briefings. The discussion also included the feedback information sent to PRI after the
audit. Gary White has taken an action to take the communications issues to the SSC.
ACTION ITEM: PRI staff to send daily audit briefing log to Gary White. (Due Date: 31-May-13)
A briefing took place on incorporating International and European standards into the checklists
where an engineering requirement exists and is appropriate to the Nadcap program. This activity
has been incorporated into the baseline checklists and has been in place for several years.
Mike Gutridge discussed the requirement for documenting the details of the visual acuity exam
results due to changes in US laws regarding disclosure of medical information (HIPAA).
ACTION ITEM: PRI staff to verify how other task groups such as Welding, Measurement & Inspection and
Chemical Processing are addressing the requirement for documenting the details of the visual acuity exam
results due to changes in US laws regarding disclosure of medical information (HIPAA). (Due Date: 31May-13)
The following personnel completed the Task Group audit review training:
Jim Graves - Rolls Royce
Mike Clark – Sikorsky
David Vaughn – Spirit AeroSystems
Justin Payne - Cessna Aircraft
Marc-Andre Lefebvre – Heroux Devtek Inc.
Jim Winter – Spirit AeroSystems
Tony Warren – Airbus
Frederic Girard - Pratt & Whitney Canada
Steve McCool - Honeywell
Jinqiu Zhou - COMAC
Manuel Cabrara Jr - The Boeing Company
The following personnel have satisfied the requirements to become New Subscriber Voting
members:
Jim Graves - Rolls Royce
Jinqiu Zhou - COMAC
Manuel Cabrara Jr - The Boeing Company
Steve McCool - Honeywell
Marc-Andre Lefebvre – Heroux Devtek Inc.
Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Sean Wood to approve the above personnel to
become Subscriber voting members. Motion Passed.
The following personnel have satisfied the requirements to become Supplier Voting members:
Helmuth Hoeller - FACC AG
Mike Steele - Rexnord
Blair James O’Connell - Precision Cast Corporation
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John Massie - Turbo Combustor Technology
Motion made by Gary White and seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the above personnel to
become Supplier Voting members. Motion Passed.
16.0
SUPPLIER SYMPOSIUM – OPEN
The symposium centered on the responsibilities of the NDT Level 3.
17.0
REPORT OUT ON THE PLANNING & OPERATIONS MEETING – OPEN
Discussion ensued regarding the draft NOP-012 (Auditor Consistency). Commodity reports will
continue in 2013 and NDT will report in October. Presentations were given on “smart checklists”
and metric dashboards.
18.0
DEVELOP AUDITOR CONFERENCE THEME – OPEN
A discussion took place on various topics for the Auditor conference. The following topics were
submitted: compliance jobs, handling conflict, access to Subscriber websites, Subscriber updates
to supplement changes, criteria and documentation for re-certification by points, examinations open
versus closed, Auditor best practices (calibration list etc.) and videos on processing errors. The
Task Group was invited to prepare suggestions for discussion at the June 2013 Task Group
meeting.
19.0
DEVELOP SUPPLIER SYMPOSIUM – OPEN
The Ad-Hoc group discussed potential topics for the Supplier Symposium. No plans are currently in
place to develop a Supplier Symposium for June. A meeting is planned for the June 2013 to further
discuss the subject.
20.0
DEVELOP AGENDA FOR JUNE 2013 – OPEN
Staff was requested to continue to ensure that the NDT agenda, open and closed meetings, did not
run concurrently with new Subscriber and new Supplier meetings.
Discussion ensued regarding the number of days for the next meeting, which was set at 4 days.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to develop the agenda. (Due Date: 31-May-13)
21.0
RAIL & CLARIFICATION DATABASE REVIEW – OPEN
The review of the RAIL items was presented by Phil Ford.
The Clarification Database was presented by Andy Bakewell and discussed. The database is
available on eAuditNet for review.
ACTION ITEM: PRI staff to update the RAIL. (Due Date: 31-Mar-13)
22.0
MEETING FACILITATION FEEDBACK – OPEN
No negative comments or suggestions for improvement were made.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve the adjournment of the
Task Group meeting. Motion Passed.
ADJOURNMENT – 21-FEB-13 – Meeting was adjourned at 2:35 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Tony Warren. Email: tony.warren@airbus.com
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***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved
during this meeting? (select one)
YES*
NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring
revision:
Who is responsible:
Due date:
Checklist attachments
PRI Staff
31-Mar-13
Audit Checklists
PRI Staff
31-Mar-13
Voting Member Rosters
PRI Staff
31-Mar-13
RAIL
PRI Staff
31-Mar-13
NTGOP-001 Appendix
NDT
PRI Staff
31-Mar-13
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