Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ START OF RECORDING Operator Good morning ladies and gentlemen. My name is Anna and I am the Webex Producer for today’s webcast on Revenue Assurance and Telecoms. Please note that today’s webcast is being recorded and will be available for playback. I would now like to hand over to the first speaker of today’s webcast Mr Sean Collins, KPMG’s Global Chair for Communications and Media. Please go ahead Sean. Sean Collins Thank you Anna. Good afternoon everyone. Today’s webcast is the first in the series of webcast planned by KPMG under Communications and Media space. I am Sean Collins and I lead the Communications practice for KPMG across the globe. With me is Romal Shetty, who is Communications Head in KPMG India and leads one of the 9 Telecom centers of excellence KPMG has across the globe. He will be spearheading the webcast today based on his multi-geographical experience across over 30 countries spread over last 14 years. But before I hand over to him, let me provide you with a brief overview of the survey – post which Romal will take us through the survey key findings. Before I hand over, let me just take you through one or two of the key survey findings. I have been involved in telecoms for over twenty years and in those very early days I recall learning about acronyms like CDR and the importance of revenue assurance. Twenty years later revenue assurance is no less important than it was then. In those days it was about the problems caused by legacy systems, disjointed systems in the incumbent telcos. These days we are talking about revenue leakage in developing countries, which is growing very fast and therefore you have scalability issues, and in the developed markets, where the industry effectively has gone ex-growth for the past few years. What we are seeing therefore is concern over revenue stagnation and a need by those telcos to maximise their revenues wherever possible. So, whether it is developing countries or developed countries, the reason may be different, but the revenue challenges are of the upmost importance. Furthermore, telecoms as an industry, as all of you will recognise, continues to evolve, technologies change, products are introduced and Page 1 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ these are all new challenges for billing systems. Over that period we have seen some major telcos, Bharti Airtel is a very good example, turning into marketing orientated companies. Telecoms used to be based on technology. These days they are based a lot more on marketing expertise. That in itself gives rise to further challenges as to how well the technology is integrated with the rest of the business. Those are among the reasons that led us to think about carrying out the survey, and in particular to see how functions like revenue assurance are adapting to those changes. Revenue assurance of course can directly influence both the topline, the revenue line, and the bottom line, profitability. That’s why it is so important to telcos in the modern world. It also has of course a challenge, revenue assurance, has the challenge of keeping itself updated and educated because technology change is never ending and it has to keep in close parallel with trends in the industry and thereby make itself relevant to the business. So the survey which we undertook during August to October 2009 was very much aimed to cast a light on the current issues and position of revenue assurance and it was very much our aim that it should be aimed at Chief Executives, Chief Financial Officers as well as Revenue Assurance Heads. The survey, as you will see on your screen, was pretty extensive, 86 respondents from 74 operators in 46 countries. It was indeed a very extensive survey. Again from the graph in front of you, you will see that we had a pretty equal spread of participation from the three major geographic regions of Asia Pacific, the Western world of Europe and America, and Africa and the Middle East. So good participation and also if you look to the bottom lefthand corner of that screen you will see that the majority of participants but by no means all of them were large scale operators. What it really means is that we managed to get the market leaders in each of the geographies to participate in the survey. So the survey in other words has real substance and the findings have real and substantial meaning to everybody who is participating in this call. Before handing over to Romal, one final world, Romal will take us through the presentation and at the end of the presentation there will be an opportunity to have a Q&A session and I am very much hoping that as many of you as possible will participate in that Q&A. So over to you Romal. Romal Shetty Thanks Sean. Page 2 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ So it is good morning, good afternoon, as well as I think good evening in different parts of the world right now. So taking the webcast forward we shall present the survey findings in four key categories: That is the extent of the revenue leakages, the enablers to an effective RA function, the levels of empowerment and some of the key insights revealed by the survey. If we move on to slide number six, as mentioned by Sean, I have been working for the last fourteen/fifteen years executing various revenue assurance engagements across the globe and was not surprised with the survey findings that revenue leakage still remains a key challenge for operators across the globe. While evaluating the degree of revenue leakages, we covered an end to end RA cycle of the extent of total leakages across business, the extent of leakages getting identified by RA and subsequently how much of the savings is actually recovered. We noted that leakages were prevalent across all geographies, but drivers like lack of timely identification or lack of successful recovery differed across geographies. So if we look at some statistics the first one being revenue leakages as a percentage of total annual revenue. This of course excludes fraud and bad debt. There seems to be a clear distinction between the developed and developing markets. Developing markets indicated leakages greater than 1% and up to 10% in some cases, whereas developed markets indicated strong trends on lower revenue leakages. This could also primarily be attributed to a lack of availability of information on leakages in developing markets. Further -ASPAC stood out here with about 30% respondents stating that they did not have information on the extent of leakages. Another interesting insight in this survey was that the C-level actually felt that the extent of leakages were higher than what the RA heads had estimated. So there seems to be a perception difference between the C-level or the C-level Management and RA heads. Coming to the second statistic on contribution of fraud to total leakages, all regions whether developed or developing, indicated significant challenges. While we had the Middle East and Africa reporting fraud leakages up to 10%, we had ASPAC and Europe and America stating that close to 40% respondents did not have fraud information. This highlights a severe challenge faced by operators because availability of data is a bare minimum foundation for an RA function Page 3 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ to work effectively. The problem here could be twofold, either there is a lack of data with business or there is a lack of conversion of data to meaningful information for revenue assurance purposes. Also what this indicates is that leakage could probably be at a higher percentage than the 1% to 3% which has normally been indicated in the survey because in a number of cases we actually don’t have the information on the extent of leakages. Moving on to leakages identified by the RA function and recovered through successful billing, the trends indicated by the survey are not very encouraging. Majority of the respondents stated that less than 50% of the leakages are identified and further out of these less than 50% are subsequently recovered. This trend is common across regions with over one third of respondents in the developed markets also stating the same. This highlights that probably we have reactive RA functions where leakages are identified after considerable time gaps leading to a low probability of recovery. This might also mean that focus on capturing leakages at exposure stage may not be adequate. The other reason for such trends could be that the exact root cause for leakages is not articulated or determined, leading to continued leakages and inability to recover lost revenue from subscribers or partners. The difference in recovery of leakage between the developed and the developing markets is also probably because of the prepaid and postpaid mix. The developed markets, have a larger percentage of postpaid, and in post-paid, even if there is a leakage, it is always easier to subsequently go and bill the customer. But in a prepaid market once the leakage is done it is very difficult to go back and pass the debit on to a customer because generally the business is not in agreement with the same. Coming to the next question of self-funding status of the RA function: Is RA actually self funding? That is, is the cost of operations less than the benefits derived? However, despite all operators saying that the cost of operations is negligible, very few operators stated that they are actually self funded. More than 50% operators in ASPAC and Middle East and Africa and about 30% in Europe and America stated that they were not yet self funded. Further it was interesting to note that many of these operators will take more than one year to be self funded. ASPAC again had maximum operators, close to about 30% who said that they will take more than five years to be self funding. Another interesting point was that operators that are more than ten years in existence, the operators who have been there for a larger Page 4 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ amount of time, only 3% actually said that they were self funding and about 15% only expected to be self funded next year. Newer operators seem to be self funded and about 33% expected to be self funding in the next one year. This highlights that the older operators either might be dealing with legacy issues or rebuilding the function vis-a-vis the change environment. Moving on to slide number seven, the key enablers for any effective RA function includes having the right skill set with the relevant Domain knowledge, the right tools to manage complex and multiple system interfaces and the right methodology underlined to leverage the skills and tools deployed. When asked to evaluate the RA function on various parameters like tools, skill sets, methodology, coverage, quality of work etc. RA tool was noted as the least satisfactory element by Senior Management as well as the RA Head. While varied RA tools are deployed by operators across geographies, RA heads and Senior Management were not completely satisfied with the application of the tools. This further gets validated by the findings of the survey for the top ten RA challenges where availability of RA tools was voted amongst the top three challenges. In our experience, we have seen that where tools have failed is where an RA tool is used as a plug and play solution. When it is used as a plug and play solution and it is believed that all leakages would be identified, it actually does not work. Where we have actually seen it succeed is where the tool vendor, the business and the RA function work together, customise the tools significantly to meet the specific business requirements of the operator and then actually deploy. That is where we have actually seen it succeed. So maybe a part reason for this, for the RA tool people not being happy is probably because it is more used as a plug and play and does not involve significant customisation. Also the other important aspect of RA tools - one of the RA tools which is currently deployed by leading companies is RA dashboards, which typically gives an indicator of various kinds of leakages across the revenue cycle, and these dashboards are actually available to the Senior Management as well as the business. When looking at the question of whether the RA team possesses requisite skill sets and which of these skill sets are missing in the RA function currently, RA heads and Senior Management across geographies stated that they possess only partial skill sets necessary for the RA function. Technical skill sets, which typically is the skills with regard to the network elements, the mobile switching centres, emerged as one of Page 5 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ the key skills missing. The observation highlighted a new trend or an insight into the RA function, which is that earlier audit and assurance personnel were part of the RA teams and were trained in Domain knowledge; with the changing business scenario and increasing technical complexity, the function has now become dependent on technical skills; as a result, technical professionals are being inducted into the RA function and being trained in audit and investigative skills. The skill set challenge is further aggravated by lack of cross functional teams. This is validated by the finding which is on your screen right now. Currently the way the RA function is structured it has only certain skill sets and not a mix of resources from different business teams. Borrowing the skills from other functions happens in few and far cases. ASPAC had 66% of respondents stating that no cross functional team existed vis-a-vis about 35% in Europe and America. However it was interesting to note that the Middle East and Africa had 87% respondents stating that existence of complete or partial cross functional teams. One of the key reasons for this trend is the perceived positioning of the RA function in the organisation. It is still considered as an assurance function. It has still some miles to be covered for it to be seen in the light of a business function where it works in full tandem with the business giving direct contribution to the top line and bottom line. Only when an RA function is considered at par with other functions job rotation and resource sharing will become easier. Cross functional teams is also a function of the culture prevalent in the organisation. One of the leading practices, which very, very, few telcos actually follow, is where they have some of their star performers, some of their best talent, which actually are inducted into the RA function. One of the reasons being RA actually has probably the widest view in the revenue cycle and doing a stint in the RA department actually gives a view to the entire revenue cycle. So what these companies do is put some of the best performers in the RA function for about a couple of years and then they move back to business so it helps these people get a better understanding of the revenue cycle as well as to understand a better assessment of risks in the revenue cycle. This lack of skill set is also forcing operators to outsource the function and borrow skill sets from external vendors. While this trend is not prevalent across, it has started picking up in developing markets. [presenter dropped off line] Page 6 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ The key areas where for example some of the skills are being picked up is more on the network audit side of it where typically most skills are getting borrowed from vendors. Moving on, when we look at the average sample size of data analysed by the RA function and the extent of quantification for the issues identified we noted that more than one-third of operators analysed less than 5% of the chargeable events and nearly half of the respondents indicated that they quantity leakages only for critical issues. My experience across leading companies is that only when we quantify leakages—and quantification of course is dependent on a company’s philosophy: Some companies quantify on an annual basis, some try and quantify the actual leakages, some quantify on a monthly basis. Whichever the philosophy, it is important to quantify because without quantification neither Senior Management, neither Board, neither Audit Committee, neither the CXO Group, actually pay attention to leakages. So therefore it is very important that we actually spend some time arriving at a philosophy which every member of the company agrees to and then quantify these leakages. One of the strong and positive trends that came across in the survey was that some of the operators have started applying revenue risk assessments for RA review and scoping. This means prioritised RA reviews in tandem with business needs and risk. This could follow the model of “value at risk” where maximum assurance is being provided for areas of maximum vulnerability for leakages. Overall close to 40% of operators applied annual risk assessments for RA reviews and ASPAC led this positive trend with 56% of operators following this practice. This highlights that there are steps being taken in silos to enhance the RA function to the next level. It is critical to look at such initiatives and develop an integrated roadmap for RA enhancement to the next level. Some of the best in class companies perform a value assurance model analysis to identify the extent of revenues for which assurances are being given and also some of them perform an RA benchmarking or an RA maturity assessment to understand how they fare against some of the leading operators in various aspects of whether it is on the tools, whether it is in the skills, whether it is on the charges and events which they are covering as a sample, all of that, a maturity assessment is done and then a roadmap is sort of driven towards how could they actually improve the maturity from a basic stage to a more advanced stage. This now brings us to the next theme of where is RA function currently and where does it actually want to be. In this section, we Page 7 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ look at the degree of empowerment the RA function has got and the areas of focus it has within its scope. We seeked answers for questions such as does RA have visibility right up to the topmost level, does RA restrict itself to only detection of leakages, does RA help the business to identify margin enhancement opportunities in complex business environments. We will first look at the scope areas within RA, existing and expected, and then we shall discuss the degree of visibility the RA function has within the organisation. If you look at the core objective of RA and the expectation of the RA function, prevention and detection of revenue leakage still remains the primary objective of the RA function with 79% of Senior Management and 87% of RA heads listing it as the highest priority. However, in the future, while RA heads want to focus on enhancement and cost savings along with leakages, Senior Management rated focus on revenue reporting as a succeeding objective for the future. This could primarily be because Senior Management is not convinced about the current effectiveness of the leakages being identified and also probably because it is a CFO area to focus on revenue reporting. Moving on to the question of whether there is an integrated plan to transform RA from its traditional role to the desired role. The traditional role is typically which is more leakage based and leakage identification to the modern role where a number of respondents actually want to be in the area of cost saving as well as margin enhancement. The majority of the operators were keen to transform the function but only few could support their intentions with a well laid integrated plan. 35% are still working on a plan and another 18% have not yet started implementing the plan. It is critical in a changing business scenario, and telco is probably the most dynamic environment which we live in, that RA functions move from a leakage detector to a business advisor. The absence of an integrated plan or the required RA transformation despite clear intentions for the same positions RA as a tactical function rather than a well articulated long-term strategic and directional function. This clearly indicates that RA is still considered a support function and not a strategic one. I will talk later in my presentation about the positioning as well. Also as mentioned earlier, RA transformation is dependent on the culture of the organisation. Such a transformation requires more than just a functional overhauling. Currently across regions and irrespective of scale and maturity of the operators, motivation to assist Page 8 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ RA to take on a greater role is limited. It is essential that organisations also adopt a fresh mindset to allow for all business functions to accept revenue assurance’s demanding role within the organisation. Now coming to the question as to who has the ultimate responsibility for managing RA and who does RA ultimately report to. The function in a majority of cases is under the Finance domain with direct reporting to the CFO across regions. Some operators in the Middle East and Africa and ASPAC stated that the ultimate reporting also goes to the CEO after CFO, indicating joint business as well as finance related focus. However, visibility currently is restricted to up to the CEO level only. Beyond the CEO level, close to one fifth of the operators indicated emerging visibility to the Board and Audit Committee. Noted reporting to the Board and Audit Committee was maximum in Africa and the Middle East region and least in the ASPAC region. One of the things I think good companies and good telcos do is, while there may not be a direct reporting to the Audit Committee or the Board, it is important that on a periodic basis at least a status update should be given of the RA function as well as some of the key revenue leakages which have been identified across the function. This is a good practice and Board and Audit Committee members as well do appreciate the shared knowledge of RA functions and the RA leakages identified. We live in interesting times and as Sean mentioned today it is not just about voice, there are non-voice services, there are various aspect which are getting converged, there is converged billing happening, there are various commerce applications being integrated, value added service applications being integrated. The whole environment is extraordinarily dynamic and there are a number of functions which are managed by vendors which brings us to the question which we asked in the survey which if there was a formal review mechanism to evaluate RA procedures established by the vendors and if there is a claw back clause including the vendor agreements. The survey indicated that the majority of respondents do not have formal independent RA review mechanisms for third parties along with adequate claw back clauses. With a changing environment, operating environment, where outsourcing is picking up, especially in the developing markets, inclusion of third party vendors in comprehensive RA reviews is critical. It is important to hold such vendors accountable for losses suffered by the company owing to operational inefficiencies. These reviews can be carried out and can vary from periodic vendor self assessments supported by full-fledged independent validations. Page 9 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ What we noticed in some of the leading practices is that the RA procedures that actually, whenever somebody takes over and today some of the key critical functions like the networks, like the billing systems and IT systems, are actually managed by third party vendors, you see leading telcos actually include revenue assurance procedures in their contracts and also include the right to audit as well as have the claw back provisions—that is where there has been a fault identified, indeed a mistake, due to the negligence of the vendor, there has been revenue lost, the same has been passed on back to the vendor. So it is important that you actually cover vendors as well under the clause of RA, and especially because in an outsourced environment, which is probably what the world is moving now significantly towards, we should have adequate safeguards and RA should have adequate safeguards to ensure that those risks are covered. Finally here is the last theme for the day, which is some of the key insights which were revealed by the survey. The survey tried to indicate the areas across the revenue cycle where leakage points were maximum, where basically the RA heads supported that this is where they felt that the leakage points were maximum. The top three leakage points were new product development, CDR processing cycle and the network element configuration. RA functions consider leakage sources that are network or system intensive to be the most vulnerable. With the rapid introduction of new products and a very limited turnaround time, consideration changes and incomplete synchronisation across multiple systems [inaudible] may lead to the override of a valid business rule in any one of the systems. This also goes in tandem with the earlier set of finding where operators indicated that technical skill was lacking the most and the result it finds more difficult to deal with leakages arising out of technical or system issues. Prepaid came across as the most vulnerable revenue stream. I think one of the reasons is also because I think there is a significant amount of skill set available when it comes to post paid billing systems, also post paid because it gives a lot of time. Prepaid billing systems are a little more black box in nature. Not too many people understand all the functionalities of a prepaid intelligent network system and hence this probably is also the reason why most people seem to consider that it is because of lack of skill sets, because of lack of understanding, that prepaid is one of the most vulnerable areas. This is also important in the scheme of things as new subscribers now in most areas of the world are prepaid rather than post paid subscribers. Moving on, when you look at the key challenges of the RA function, the top three challenges were information availability, the degree of awareness and empowerment and the RA tool availability. Lack of Page 10 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ influence and lack of good tools impact data availability. This in turn impacts positioning. And it is a vicious cycle which needs to be broken. Further, lack of technical skills can also lead to suboptimal utilisation or leveraging of all parts of the benefits from the tool. Operators need to [inaudible] simultaneously invest in enhancing the overall positioning as well as the function overall. These initiatives have to supplement each other and cannot supersede one another as it will then defeat the overall purpose of aligning the RA function with business objectives. I mentioned about empowerment earlier. I think empowerment and positioning are two very important aspects. The organisation needs to empower RA, but also I believe that the positioning of RA needs to change. Today, you probably don’t see too many RA heads actually moving on to become a part of the CXO Group. I think that is very important because unless we change the positioning, and I think this the RA Function itself has to do, of how we can better position itself, how we can probably educate more CXO Group members of what exactly it is trying to do, how it actually helps the companies because only then, will the positioning improve and empowerment happen. And the benefits of empowerment is that RA can do a number of more activities and a number of critical and prioritise critical activities to help the organisation in an overall perspective. Finally we asked the question on whether fraud management is part of the RA function. While bigger telecom operators have an independent fraud management function, it is still a part of the RA function across medium and small scale operators. The responsibility of identifying and assessing frauds for these operators, medium and small scale operators, lies within RA. Hence the requisite tools and skill sets capable of identifying fraud leakages also need to be incorporated into the RA function for these companies. Fraud and RA complement each other whilst fraud requires specialised skill set and should be separately inducted in the organisation in the long run. But it is is critical for RA professionals to have basic investigative skills as most often than not leakage indicators lead to detection of fraud. It is very, very, important that RA and fraud co-exist and one of the things which we have seen in leading operators is also the extent of communication between the RA and fraud teams. And places where it has failed is where you actually have silos where fraud and RA work completely separately, do not share certain findings, which ultimately results in a very, very, large scale fraud and people have lost a large amount of money on this. So it is important to have these two functions, have separate skill sets within each of these functions, and have an alignment for them to Page 11 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ work together so as to respond to either detecting or to recovering from a fraud quickly. We have now completed our presentation and I will open to discussion on any queries or views that you may have with respect to any of the topics discussed. Owing to the time constraints if we are unable to address your query during the webcast please feel free, you can mail a query to Yuki Tobinaga that ytobinaga@kpmg.com and we will get back to you with a response shortly. Question and Answer Session Caller from KPMG in Netherlands I am responsible for the Revenue Assurance Department here and I have a question with respect to the future goals of becoming more involved in margin enhancement etc. I wonder what your perspective is on the cooperation of the revenue assurance specialist with other financial functions and marketers if it comes to margin analysis and cost reduction. Romal Shetty In the future I think as RA moves from just identifying revenue leakages, I think it is very important to work with business and finance and specifically you mentioned about marketing and sales to give certain insights about consumer behaviour, about profiling of subscribers, about the way, subscriber behaviour is, to actually ensure that these are some areas where for example margins could be enhanced. I think revenue assurance does a lot of analysis of data so traditionally it has been done purely from a leakage perspective, but I think the analytics now can be combined with business intelligence. It provides key insights into the business and that will probably help various products where margins can actually be enhanced. While they will not take on the responsibility of enhancing margins completely—that is the job of the business to do—but I think RA is in probably one of the best positions to provide a suitable level of intelligence to help companies in developing and designing products and monitoring these products on a regular basis to see if the margins are enhanced. KPMG Caller In our particular situation we still have a huge challenge in assuring the revenue due to all technical and commercial innovations and we have defined a specific financial role called Business Control which is responsible for the support of the business in analysing its margins. Romal Shetty I think if you look at the survey findings also I think most people still tend to stick to revenue leakage reduction probably because of the complexities which are happening and the introduction of new Page 12 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ systems like you mention, their leakage detection probably remains the highest priority but I suppose over a period of time this is a very new trend, it really hasn’t taken on significantly but we are just seeing pockets of certain companies where the focus is also now increasing to margin enhancement. KPMG Caller In Holland we see a trend of increasing outsourcing of network and ICT environments. This causes an inherent risk of decrease of detailed knowledge within the operator. We all acknowledge the fact that sufficient knowledge of these aspects of the business are required to assure your revenues. My question would be what would be the best practice in gaining sufficient assurance across the whole revenue cycle while big parts of that particular cycle are being outsourced to vendors. Romal Shetty I am based out of India so where we actually have a significant amount of outsourcing which actually happens especially on the networks on the IT side so whether it is the Ericcson’s of the world or the Nokia Siemens as well as on the IT side, whether it is the IBM’s or some of the other global vendors. So some of the best practices which we have observed: One is doing independent validations across the outsourced third party to see whether for example [inaudible] there are any leakages and to decide either it is a combination of an external vendor or an in-house and an external team working together to review all of the vendor processes and look at for example if there are any leakages. The second portion which I also mentioned was to actually have in the contracts detailed revenue assurance activities which they need to do, that is the third party, needs to do and it has to satisfy certain key performance indicators so that they are contractually bound and third they actually have claw back clauses which means that if there are any revenue leakages owing to the negligence of the third party vendor then they need to, for example, pay back that money. So those are periodic assessments having contractually designed revenue assurance procedures which the third party, we are not just talking about what the company needs to do but the third party needs to do on its own on a periodic basis which KPI define and if there are any leakages then they will penalty claw backs on the same. KPMG Caller Probably that practice can be enriched by implementing in that particular contract a right to audit or for instance a SAS70 Type 2 report. Romal Shetty Absolutely. The right to audit is a part of all of those contracts. Sean Collins Anymore questions please? Page 13 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ Swisscom Caller I just would like to add reports regarding slide six where the revenue assurance is a funding function. One point that I would like to add there is that one output from the key points that the review has pointed out was that revenue assurance with more than ten years are not self funding revenue assurance was the result. One point that I would like to add, as much as [inaudible] is the revenue assurance function, revenue assurance then is working at prevention and not the detection or the leakages that are being detected, not that high because the work is focused on the prevention. Being part of development of new products and being part of new platforms that are being [inaudible] or in the OSS or VSS area. I think that is the most important thing to show this difference of mature revenue assurance is then to quantify the prevention that has been achieved or the prevented loss because otherwise revenue assurance with more than ten years, at a mature level, won’t be funding function if the report is just done and findings and records revenue. Romal Shetty I think you have given a very valuable insight. I think it is absolutely right what you are talking. In terms of actually where RA actually prevents certain functions and certain leakages before and not actually detected. You are absolutely right about that. One of the factors that we have seen is that given there is very, very, strong user acceptance testing which prevents a leakage from happening, what they do is they try to quantify based on the business plan saying that RA actually prevented something from happening and probably had this product had been launched and based on the business plan which it was launched, this is probably what you would have saved. The only perspective there is that it probably helps from a positioning, like I said, it is ultimately dependent on the philosophy of the company whether they want to do something like this but we have seen companies where based on the business plans for product they are able to quantify saying that we prevented this and the user acceptance testing or whichever level, before launching the product and hence being able to save approximately to a big extent. I think it is a valid point of what you said there where companies have typically been more than ten years in existence, maybe that probably could be one of the insights yes. Sean Collins Thank you very much. There is still time for one or two more questions please. UAE Caller A quick question related to the query from the lady in Swiss Com, is it actually right to measure the performance of the department based on the savings or losses that have been detected because that is a very valid question I thought. What I would say is, in the Page 14 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ immediate aftermath of actually implementing revenue assurance solution, you are likely to see quite a lot of payback and that will eventually taper off therefore measuring the actual revenue losses that have been, let us say, detected is probably not a very good way of identifying performance. What we tend to look at is the number of days, the lead time, it took to actually find an issue. So did you find an issue, let us say, three months after it manifested or did you find it within x number of days. That would be I think, in my opinion, a better measure of the department’s performance. It would obviously not give you a financial fact to say that yes we have feedback but in my opinion you would have already done the feedback in the first two or three years after you have implemented the tool. Thereafter the actual amount of revenue leakage detected should not be high. Romal Shetty So Santosh I think you are right in terms of what you have mentioned. I think here what we are trying to say is more just about funding which is specifically saying that your cost of operations and the benefits you are providing is more than the cost of operations. That is really what we are trying to….so I agree I don’t think that measurement of all of the RA function should be purely based on leakages, no I don’t think so. It should be based on various parameters like you mentioned, issue resolution, issue identification, whether it is closure of issues, whether it is for example how many have you detected at the new product development stage. So all of the things like that I agree. I wouldn’t say self funding from a performance measurement but I still believe that in the RA function normally would at least, because RA functions are typically small, they are not a huge set of people compared to what the business has. In that scenario and with the tools and you have already used the tools for two or three years, probably don’t have too much value left then. But just that the benefits are more than the cost. That is probably what we are saying but I agree performance of the RA function should not purely be based on leakage identified and hence also my earlier remark of saying that RA should also start moving towards cost savings and similarly towards margin enhancement, that is providing business intelligence. So that is probably also how RA becomes more functional and more a value adding organisation. Sean Collins Good. Perhaps time for one final question. Caller Building on the discussion we had before, I agree with the previous two people on the line. We are actually moving towards a revenue assurance control cycle where we demand from the business to state their appetite for risk regarding revenue loss and we then manage our effectiveness by measuring to what extent we are able to ensure that the revenue loss does not exceed the stated appetite for risk. If the appetite for risk increases for whatever reason well then the [inaudible]. Page 15 Revenue Assurance for Telecoms Webcast Transcript Date: 7th July 2010 ____________________________________________________________________ Romal Shetty I think like what you mentioned, I think that is important. I think that is probably the way to go ahead as well but yes you need to work in tandem with business on some of those aspects and only then probably because it is important at the end of the day, you need to figure out overall how do you contribute to the organisation and how do you assess so yes I agree. It is not just about leakages but it is also about how proactive RA is rather than being reactive. Sean Collins Good thanks Romal. I think it is probably time now to bring this session to a close so I would like very much to thank Romal for guiding us through the survey, guiding us through the report and to remind all participants if you have any questions, if you want to have any follow-up at all on this hugely important area of revenue leakage and revenue assurance you should still have on the screen the reminder to……. [End of call] Page 16