Week 1: Introduction to Managerial Accounting - Discussion Managerial and Financial Accounting (graded) Flexibility, timeliness, and forward looking is said to be the prominent trait of modern management accounting, whereas standardization and consistency describe financial accounting. Explain why the focus on these two accounting systems differs. Responses Responses are listed below in the following order: response, author and the date and time the response is posted. Response Author Date/Time Class Professor Backman 10/18/2012 4:29:46 AM Let's start off by discussing the goal of managerial accounting. What is the goal of managerial accounting? How do managerial goals differ from the goals of financial accounting? What are the differences between managerial and financial accounting? RE: Class Leon Kiyonga 11/3/2012 11:30:29 PM When we take internal decision then all information is provided by managerial accounting and this all is done with proper planning and with strict purpose. All decisions are done with the help of mangers as they take information from accounts. When we deal with financial accounts they never give exact knowledge of the internal decision made by the company. Manager should know all the small details like value of the product and the cost of the service. In this way manager decide the future of the company by seeing all the details in full form. Every smaller detail is needed to forecast the future of the company for this managerial accounting is the best as compared to financial accounting. To form a product line as well as to deal with the pricing of the product, buying new tools and replacing the old one, all is done as internal decision of the company. RE: Class Nicole Rochester 11/4/2012 7:15:41 PM Managerial accounting deals with the internal users of information of a company and financial accounting deals with the external users of information such as investors, creditors, and the like. The goals differ in that managerial accounting 1. is optional 2. relays information to internal managers 3. reports nonmonetary information The differ in the financial accounting 1. is requred 2. information is presented in summarized formation 3. relays information externally (Jiambalvo, 2010) Jiambalvo, J. (2010). Managerial accounting, 4th edition. John Wiley and Sons, Inc., page 4 RE: Class Irene Turay 10/31/2012 7:56:41 PM The goal of a managerial accounting is to analyze and process informations that can help managers in an organization to make decisios. RE: Class Stacey Wilson 10/31/2012 6:34:04 PM The primary goal of managerial accounting is to provide information that is needed for planning, control and decision making. The main difference between managerial and financial accounting is that managerial accounting is aimed at internal users while financial accounting is for external users of accounting information like investors. RE: Class Irene Turay 11/2/2012 7:16:39 PM This is true Stacey the difference between managerial and financial accounting is that the managerial accounting is mostly use for internal organization which provides analyzing and communicating informations. Then financial accounting focuses on external things. RE: Class Ashley Taylor 10/31/2012 9:20:57 PM The goal of managerial accounting is to provide information needed for planning, control, and decision making. Financial accounting is more about procedures for preparing external reports. While managerial accounting is used to create reports for internal use. Financial accounting is concerned with past transactions while managerial accounting is used to focus on future decisions. According to the book the main differences are: 1. Managerial accounting is directed at internal rather than external users of accounting information. 2. Managerial accounting may deviate from generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP). 3. Managerial accounting may present more detailed information. 4. Managerial accounting may present more nonmonetary information. 5. Managerial accounting places more emphasis on the future. (Jiambalvo 7) Jiambalvo. Managerial Accounting, 4th Edition. John Wiley & Sons. Ashley Professor Backman 11/1/2012 4:11:01 AM How would economic factors like interest rates, inflation, unemployment and competition impact planning? RE: Ashley Thomas Ponce 11/2/2012 7:47:33 PM Haha I have to say that all those mentioned would greatly affect planning. I would imagine that an account planner would have to look at all these factors before implementing any decisions. Interest rates have a direct affect with loans and thus affecting marketing expenditures. Inflation is also another staller key, watching the dollar fall and rise affects decision making when it comes to costs. As far as unemployment goes account planning must be precise and layoffs could be required to save money, of course that goes with the increase of productivity from other employees. If done carefully you can make quite a turn-around, or just simply cause a disaster. RE: Ashley Cadette Batie 11/1/2012 9:00:36 PM Prof; Economic factors would greatly influence planning because such things as interest rates and inflation would affect the firms ability to borrow and loan money out. High Interest rates at banks affect the firms payments to the bank and other lenders for funds borrowed for future expansion projects and research and development. Additionally the firm may need to charge high interest rates to companies and individuals who borrow from the firm. Unemployment can affect planning because the company usually used may have hit a hard bump in the road and had to let go some of its workers that usually did work for your firm and now you either have to wait for a new team that is just as good or better or hope that the firm rehires the team back or just go with another company altogether. On the other hand at the firm itself,you could suffer losses that require you to let employes go which would affect you ability to produce or provide the usual serve that you normally did before. RE: Ashley Ashley Taylor 11/4/2012 9:55:51 AM Interest rates can impact the companies planning because if interest is too high then they have to find ways to cut cost and spending to pay high interest rates. Also, with them spending more company cost can go up. Also, with too many expenses companies may have to let employees go due to the inability to make a profit. Inflation can cause companies to adjust based on how much goods and services cost also. Unemployment can impact the company because they have to layoff people and try to keep production up. It has to be done in a way that other employees do not feel too stressed and will not loose there productivity because they feel over whelmed. Competition impacts planning because you have to make decisions to attract customers to you and not your competition. If you have little competition then you are safe you can focus on other problems but if you are surrounded by competition you have to work and make your company stand out against the others and attract customers to you! RE: Ashley Leon Kiyonga 11/4/2012 8:44:58 PM An economy will be healthy when there is a well circulation of money in the market of the country. The purchasing power of the people increases and people have a good standard of living. Both inflation and unemployment have an adverse effect of the economy. Interest rates influence the sources of business and consumer income like the values of loans, investments etc. Lower interest rate makes borrowing cheaper for the customers can manage to pay to buy more and business can afford to invest further. Higher consumption and higher investment levels create additional demand for goods and services in the economy, which effects inflation and unemployment. Competition is also the factor which affects the price of the good s and services in the market and subsequently affects the purchasing power of the consumer and inflation. Therefore we have to plan accordingly by keeping in mind the entire factor like interest, inflation, unemployment and competition. RE: Class Britney Womble 10/31/2012 10:58:01 AM 1. The goal of managerial accounting is to provide the information they need for planning, control, and decision making. If your goal is to be an effective manager, a thorough understanding of managerial accounting is essential. (P.4) 2. Financial accounting is primarily concerned with presenting the results of past transactions. Managerial accounting, however, places considerable emphasis on the future. (P.8) 3. Financial accounting reports are aimed primarily at external users, and managerial accounting reports are aimed primarily at internal users. (P.8) Jiambalvo (). Managerial Accounting [4] (VitalSource Bookshelf), Retrieved from http://online.vitalsource.com/books/9781118091050/id/P1-14 RE: Class Mike Beckta 10/31/2012 9:39:13 AM The goal of managerial accounting is to study managerial accounting by focusing on tools and approaches that are useful for internal users of financial statements. RE: Class Thomas Ponce 10/31/2012 12:56:07 PM The goal of managerial accounting is to provide information for internal decision making, primarily for planning and control purposes. The types of decisions made by managers rely substantially on accounting information. Because financial accounting information does not provide enough detail for internal decisions, it must be broken into more detail of the individual products or services provided by a company. Though as said before financial accounting reports are prepared for the use of external parties such as shareholders and creditors, whereas managerial accounting reports are prepared for managers inside the organization. http://accounting4management.com/financial_accounting_vs_managerial_accounting.htm#T5QLOFRCoTFYAr9R.99 Thomas I Agree Professor Backman 11/1/2012 4:12:21 AM Who benefits from having a uniform set of standards like GAAP? What are some other reasons for having companies file their financial statements in the same way? RE: Thomas Nicole Rochester I Agree 11/4/2012 7:25:51 PM GAAP is not required for managerial accounting. However it is necessary for large publicly traded companies. Some reasons for having companies file their financial statements in the same way is to prevent fraud. RE: Thomas Alison Richards I Agree 11/3/2012 8:43:23 PM In addition to, when companies follow there set of rules, methods, processes, and as well as procedures these company can remain consistent across these various industries for these said statements. Therefore, one can rest assure that this accounting system that they have in place is accurately measuring economic activities as well as disclosing any information in reference to any transactions listed as well as reports. Another main purpose of utilizing the GAAP beside for being consistent the company is able to reduce their risks associated with fraud and error. The reason why I feel companies benefits from using GAAP as it is derived from the traditional ways of accounting. The company benefit as accurate and consistent financial information is distributed. The individuals who are in receipt of such material are the investors, the creditors, and as well as the stakeholders as there are able to efficiently read, comprehend, and understand these information given to them for various decisions. Even if it is not a requirement by law companies adhere to and do so successfully. If a company wishing to standardize their company, reduce any risk or chances evolved around tax problems and issues, and lastly reduce the risk of erroneous reporting. They should adhere to GAAP to successfully reach the companies financial objectives, goals, and achievements. RE: Thomas Thomas Ponce I Agree 11/3/2012 1:59:39 PM Generally (I’m getting sick of that word) the stockholders benefit from the GAAP uniform. The GAAP are imposed on companies so that investors would have a minimum level of consistency in financial statements they use when analyzing companies for investment purposes. Sorry I can’t say I understand your second question…could you clarify? RE: Thomas Mike Beckta I Agree 11/3/2012 6:18:06 AM The most authoritative source of Generally Accepted Accounting Principles GAAP developed by the FASAB, and they set the standards so everyone can benefit from the accounting principles. In my opinion the reason for GAAP is to slow down or stop fraud and prevent companies from entertaining fraudulent activities. RE: Class Rachel Hollingsworth 10/30/2012 1:05:48 PM Modified:10/30/2012 1:06 PM Managerial Accounting's goal is to provide information needed to make decisions, control actions, and plan accordingly. The main difference between managerial and financial accounting is that managerial accounting is focused on internal users such as managers as opposed to providing information to investors and government agencies. Also, managerial accounting is more focused on the detailed planning process for future processes and actions, for example budgets that contain more than monetary items, but also materials, labor, time, etc. Rachel Professor Backman 11/4/2012 3:35:16 AM Managerial accounting organizes accounting data into variable and fixed costs so management can make decision. So what are variable and fixed costs? Where would you find variable and fixed costs on a financial accounting income statement? RE: Rachel Mike Beckta 11/4/2012 8:02:33 PM In my opinion the variable and fixed costs will vary from business to business, companies that have starting capital and a steady steam of set clientele like Haliburton will generate profits and have a different fixed cost and a much higher margin than a company like the one I own. When a fixed cost of one companies will eclipse a fixed margin of another the fixed cost will always lose. I have always tried to extinguish variable costs and make people and companies commit to a fixed cost, due to the fact of managing a project doesn't get you very far without fixed costs of goods and services. RE: Class Laurie Claus 10/29/2012 6:01:58 PM Financial accounting if prepared for external use such as shareholders and creditors. Managers accounting is prepared for managers inside the organization. One difference in financial and managerial accounting is the emphasis between the past and the future. Managerial accounting has strong emphasis on the future, manager's planning is large part on estimating on what will happen rather then what had happen. Financial accounting is objective and verifiable, financial accounting is mandatory where as managerial accounting is not mandatory. Financial accounting reports to those outside the organization owner, lenders tax authorities and regulators. Lastly a difference is that managerial accounting information should be flexible. Difference between Financial and Managerial accounting retrieved on October 29,2012 from:http://accounting4management.com/financial_accounting_vs_managerial_accounting .htm RE: Class Alison Richards 10/29/2012 6:50:28 PM When we use managerial or management accounting we are basically placing attention towards the internal usage of the given financial information. This information being provided assists in making decisions as to what direction the company wishes to go and thus provide a plan in conjunction to this as means of getting there. Managerial accounting isn’t only used for the purpose of planning and making internal decisions it is also utilized for control purposes. When you use financial accounting in depth detail isn’t provided for the making of said decisions. In order to fully accomplish decision making managerial accounting must be performed. Yes both financial accounting and managerial accounting give individuals information needed to make decisions. But in the means of financial accounting the information is given to stockholders, creditors, and individuals who re external to the company to mke a decision upon. However, managerial accounting places its attention upon the internal individuals of the company which streams from all level of management and may vary to employee groups. Managerial accounting is said to be more flexible s is focus is not fixed upon the generally accepted account principles. It also tends to be more time and there is a future with performing managerial account rather than having a past focus. Managerial accounting reflect on various sections of a company and provide full details. Instead, of being broad and emphasize on the company as a whole. In means of emphasis, it also emphasizes on qualitative and quantitative provided information. Alison Professor Backman 10/31/2012 1:52:12 AM What are some of the GAAP rules that must be followed under financial accounting? What are some reasons for IFRS? RE: Alison Rachel Hollingsworth 11/2/2012 6:12:45 PM The primary reason I found for IFRS - International Financial Reporting Standards - is so that investors have a set of standards that are the same or similar across the world in order to compare and contrast companies. http://suite101.com/article/ifrs-accounting-standards-a31345 RE: Class Sharon Garcia 10/29/2012 11:54:50 AM The primary goal of managerial accounting is to provide information that helps managers plan and control company activities and make business decisions (Jiambalvo 2011 p. 21) Managerial accounting does not have to abide by the GAAP guidelines, although from what I read a lot of companies will, or will use it as a reference. Managerial accounting is prepared for the managers in a company. This information contained in the report is only information relevant to the managers. Financial accounting contains information that is for a single person, or family, any external source. Managerial goals are goals set for the company as a whole. The managerial goals would be to obtain a certain max budget amount for the companies to produce x amount of product and not go over the budget goal. The financial accounting is prepared for the investors, and creditors. RE: Class Elizabeth Erdos 10/28/2012 8:27:53 AM The goal of managerial accounting is to provide information for internal decision making. You want to be able to look at your numbers for the business and ensure that you're heading in the right direction. Financial accounting helps people outside of the business look at the financial stand point of the company while managerial helps the people within the company. Elizabeth Professor Backman 10/30/2012 5:42:41 AM Does managerial accounting have to follow GAAP and the rules of accounting? Why or Why Not? GAAP Casey Agans 10/30/2012 4:02:26 PM Managerial accounting is not required to comply with GAAP as it is concerned with planning, directing, and controlling the internal affairs of a business. RE: Elizabeth Elizabeth Erdos 10/30/2012 4:21:24 PM They should follow a lot of it because it helps with ethics, but no they don't have to follow GAAP. GAAP was put into place because of the fact that financial accounting is put into place because their reports are shared with the public. Managerial doesn't have to follow because those reports are internal. RE: Elizabeth Richard Astin 10/30/2012 10:23:14 PM First, financial accounting is public and focuses on shareholders as investors. GAAP sets standards for financial accounting, which is regulated by the government SEC. Managerial accounting on the other hand is an internal tool used within the business. There is no internal regulation to how a business handles reporting from an outside source (such as the government or the public). Therefore, only the owners have a say in what is done internally. After all, not every laundromat needs to produce managerial account, and the standards between a laundromat and a restaurant from which internal performance metrics can be established probably differ greatly. Clearly, every business functions differently, yet with the use of standard accounting and ERP software internal similarities probably exist. Richard You Are Professor Backman Exactly Right 10/31/2012 1:53:18 AM How does the information/accounting data that is used in financial accounting differ from managerial accounting? How does the income statement differ between financial and managerial accounting? RE: Richard You Richard Astin Are Exactly Right 10/31/2012 5:35:17 PM Good question. I am thinking that the major differences would be with cost and Cost of Goods Sold between different companies, but the layout and format of the financial statements should be the same. Except for the fact that with managerial accounting the statements may be limited to specific cost centers or specific area within a company; it does not have to be all inclusive like a financial statement does. RE: Elizabeth Britney Womble 10/31/2012 11:15:18 AM "Much of financial accounting information is required. The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) requires large, publicly traded companies to prepare reports in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP). Even companies that are not under the jurisdiction of the SEC prepare financial accounting information in accordance with GAAP to satisfy creditors. Managerial accounting, however, is completely optional. It stresses information that is useful to internal managers for planning, control, and decision making. If a company believes that deviating from GAAP will provide more useful information to managers, GAAP need not be followed." (Jiambalvo) Jiambalvo (P.7). Managerial Accounting [4] (VitalSource Bookshelf), Retrieved from http://online.vitalsource.com/books/9781118091050/id/P1-111 RE: Elizabeth Sharon Garcia 11/1/2012 11:17:52 AM Managerial accounting does not have to follow GAAP. Managerial accounting is directed is for the purpose of the managers in the company. Managerial accounting does not handle the reports fort eh stock holders. Financial accounting information is revealed to the public, that is why there are have to follow GAAP, and managerial does not. Sharon Professor Backman 11/4/2012 3:36:42 AM How do international accounting standards and GAAP differ? RE: Sharon Alison Richards 11/4/2012 1:24:51 PM In terms of international accounting standards and GAAP international accounting includes two governing accounting bodies which is inclusion of the International Accounting Standards Board as well as the Financial Accounting Standards Board. It is known that (FASB) covers all areas of accounting especially when it is in reflection to the United States accounting standards. I also researched and found out that IASB governs accounting in 100 and more in counting countries worldwide. FASB is held accountable for the issuing of the GAP for both of domestic and the international companies as well have utilized the GAAP when in the midst of preparing the U.S. 's financial statements. RE: Class Hind Ganz 10/28/2012 9:15:52 AM The goal for managerial accounting is to provide information needed for planning, control, and decision making. In order to control you need to evaluate the performance of your managers and operations. In financial management, the ultimate goal is to increase the current value per share in a corporation. Financial accounting ensures the company looks good externally, for investors, creditors,and for tax purposes. Managerial accounting is all internal, which is why financial accounting is external, a healthy balance. RE: Class Bobbie O'Neal 10/28/2012 9:55:59 AM Modified:10/28/2012 3:55 PM What is the goal of managerial accounting? The goal of managerial accounting is to provide the information they need for planning, control, and decision making. If your goal is to be a successful and effective manager, a thorough understanding of managerial accounting is essential. How do managerial goals differ from the goals of financial accounting? Managerial accounting helps those people inside an organization who operate as its day-to-day managers and in other leadership roles. Financial accounting helps those people outside of an organization or business understand what is going on financially within it the company. What are the differences between managerial and financial accounting? Managerial accounting is for internal users and financial accounting is for external users. Class Excellent Professor Backman 10/29/2012 4:02:23 AM Points!! You are right when you say that managerial accounting helps a business internally. Managerial accounting data is used to make decisions. Who are all of the internal decision makers? What information would they use to make decision? How does the accounting information that is used in financial accounting differ from managerial accounting? RE: Class Excellent Darion Maynor Points!! 10/29/2012 10:50:55 PM The internal decision makers are the managers, supervisors, CEOS, etc. The information they would use to make decisions would be things like ingredients, labor cost, productions cost, food cost, or down time. Since I work for Nestle Purina, I'll use my job as an example to differentiate between financial accounting and managerial accounting info. When analyzing dog food, managerial accounting would be concerned with how much dye we use for the pieces, how much labor we use to make it, and how many bags were used to package it. However, financial accounting would only be concerned with how many finished products did we sell, did we meet our quarterly goals, and what is our bottom line. RE: Class Excellent Robert Kampen Points!! 10/29/2012 7:07:24 AM Modified:10/29/2012 7:10 AM According to the readings, the internal decision makers are the managers. Information is paramount to making good decisions. Often times this would be "non-financial" information such as the quantity of material consumed in production, the number of hours worked by the office staff, and the number of product defects. RE: Class Excellent Bobbie O'Neal Points!! 10/29/2012 12:59:28 PM Modified:10/29/2012 1:35 PM Robert, I agree a manager would be the internal decision maker in a business because of all the responsbilities that they have. The individual who is in charge of certain groups and tasks or a certain subset of a company. A manager often has a staff of people who report to him or her. I believe the manager would also be the one with the last say if a project is a go for the company.The three main functions of a managers include: planning, controlling, and decision making. RE: Class Excellent Elizabeth Erdos Points!! 10/29/2012 2:29:59 PM I've already touched a little bit on what the information in financial accounting is used for and what it's used for in managerial accounting. The people who use the information from managerial accounting are usually the people in charge. CEO's and CFO's. Depending on the size of the company managers are also brought in on the decision making financially. Class Professor Backman 10/30/2012 5:44:21 AM You have done a nice job providing some of the differences between financial and managerial accounting. What stakeholders would use financial accounting information and what stakeholder would use managerial accounting? What is GAAP? How does GAAP influence Financial Accounting and Managerial Accounting? What are international accounting standards? RE: Class Stephanie Motak 11/3/2012 4:40:44 PM Generally Accepted Accounting Principles are accounting rules used to prepare, present and report financial statements for a wide variety of entities, including publicly traded and privately held companies, non-profit organizations, and government authorities. RE: Class Sharon Garcia 11/4/2012 11:17:12 AM GAAP is a federally regulated set of rules and restrictions that financial accounting has to follow, to help prevent fraud, or unreal numbers being reported. Managerial accounting does not have to follow these rules and guidelines because the account is made for the managers to follow not for the stock holders or the public. GAAP is a good thing to have when it comes to financial accounting because of all the fraud that has happened in reads to false number, such as Enron. This would have been prevented is the GAAP was followed. RE: Class Sharon Garcia 11/4/2012 11:19:33 AM International accounting is regulated by the international accounting board. RE: Class Darion Maynor 10/30/2012 11:13:53 PM Of course, investors would be a stakeholders who would use financial accounting information. They are primarily concerned with the risk and return provided by their investments. They need information to help them determine whether they should buy, trade, or sell. The employees would be stakeholders who would use managerial accounting. Employees are interested in information about the stability and profitability of their employers. They are also interested in information which enables them to assess the ability of the company to provide retirement benefits and employment stability. "GAAP stands for "generally accepted accounting principles," a collection of commonly followed accounting rules and standards for financial reporting. GAAP specifications include definitions of concepts and principles, as well as industry-specific rules. The purpose of GAAP is to ensure that financial reporting is transparent and consistent from one organization to another." http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/GAAPgenerally-accepted-accounting-standards RE: Class Laurie Claus 10/30/2012 9:22:32 PM Generally Accepted Accounting Principles are a set of accounting principles, standards and produces that companies used to compile their financial statements. GAAP influences financial accounting by the standards and procedures it imposing on a company to follow. Investors have minimum level of consistency in the financial statements they used when analyzing companies for investment purposes. GAAP covers revenue recognition balance sheets item classification and understand share measurements and ensure that consistency in the financial statements. Whereas managerial accounting is not required to use GAAP standards and produces,managerial accounting is for internal use only. Cited Work:http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gaap.asp#axzz2AqHVfeUG 10/30/2012 4:13:27 PM Stakeholders Casey Agans Modified:10/30/2012 4:13 PM Managerial Accounting stakeholders consist of an organizations strategic planning team, such as the CEO, COO, CFO, CIO, along VPs & middle managers working for this group. Stakeholders of Financial Accounting are investors, employees, creditors, government agencies, and owners. Casey Professor Backman 11/1/2012 4:14:11 AM What influences a business decision? What specific factors should be consider when making decisions? RE: Casey Richard Astin 11/2/2012 4:24:08 PM When I have made business decisions I consider two things: 1) the profitability - how does the action increase Shareholder's Equity and 2) the environmental impact - living in California much of what happens gets weighed against its environmental impact (both legal and unregulated). It seems concern for the environment is as important as making a profit, whenever there is waste or impact that could cause a lasting impact (even just hours) after a job is finished, the cleanup is considered as part of the job. It would be easier for the company to operate and leave the waste behind - as there often are no laws dictating a specific action to follow. However, that little cost to clean up is factored into the cost of the project and passed on to the customer. The owners believe that it sets us apart from other competitors. RE: Stakeholders William Hines Iv 10/30/2012 10:22:08 PM So then with this type of example we can say that it was the financial accounting of Disney that decided to purchase Lucasfilms with the managerial intentions of being able to put out a new Star Wars movie and profit from the name and franchise. 10/31/2012 11:37:46 PM RE: Stakeholders Casey Agans William, I too saw this on CNN and it came as quite a shock but yes I would agree, this would be an investment for Disney. William Professor Backman 11/4/2012 3:37:57 AM What costs are considered in incremental analysis decisions? RE: William William Hines Iv 11/4/2012 8:57:48 AM I would imagine that the cost that are in the incremental analysis would be: 1. Is it worth purchasin g the rights or license from George Lucas 2. What will be the cost to film and release new Star Wars movies including the cost to pay the actors 3. Will Disney be as successful with finding actors to portray the characters as well as Lucas did 4. What is the estimated return on film, video games, an d merchandi se 5. Is Disney experienc ed enough to put out a successful Sci-Fi productio n 6. And the biggest factor that I feel should have been looked at is will the original fans be as interested in continuin g to support the Star Wars franchise now that the originator of the series is no longer producing them RE: Bobbie O'Neal 10/30/2012 2:52:09 PM Class What is GAAP? GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles) a collection of commonly followed accounting rules and standards for financial reporting.The purpose of GAAP is to ensure that financial reporting is transparent and consistent from one organization to another. RE: Class Hind Ganz 10/30/2012 8:51:29 AM The GAAP is generally accepted accounting principles. The GAAP influences managerial and financial accounting because the SEC requires larger companies prepare reports in accordance to GAAP. Financial accounting must ne prepared in accordance with GAAP, but managerial accounting does not. International accounting standards last I heard are trying to merge with our standards, eventually having one accounting standard. through out the world. RE: Class Cheryl Hurdle 10/30/2012 11:41:54 AM GAAP is Generally Accepted Accounting Standards and procedures that companies use to compile their financial statements. GAAP are a combination of authoritative standards (Set by policy boards) and simply the commonly accepted ways of recording and reporting accounting information. Financial Accounting must follow GAAP which has specific required external reports . Managerial Accounting does not follow GAAP and there are no reporting regulations. International Account Standards: is an older set of standards stating ow particular types of transactions and other events should be reflected in financial statements. www.investopedia.com RE: Class Cadette Batie 10/28/2012 10:04:40 AM Prof; I enjoyed both questions posed by you and the discussion topic. The goal of managerial accounting is to supply information to help plan and organize the company for future operations. This is also the essential reason that managerial accounting is different from financial accounting. The key word is planning for the future. Financial accounting looks at the past and what has occurred as far as the money goes and is intended more for outsiders looking in as opposed to managerial accounting which looks to the future and what the company wants or hopes to do. Also another big difference between the two is that Financial accounting takes the GAAP into account and must comply by all times and managerial accounting does not have to take GAAP into account and information garnered for managers can be taken from almost any source about the company whereas financial accounting takes information from the cash and all the financial data provided by the company. Cadette Professor Backman 11/3/2012 4:47:07 PM Is there a need to have international accounting standards instead of GAAP? RE: Class Cheryl Hurdle 10/28/2012 3:50:19 PM The goal of managerial accounting is to identify, measure, analyze, interpret and communicate information for the pursuit of the organization goals.. Financial accounting reports are prepared for the use of external parties such as shareholders, and creditors whereas managerial accounting reports are prepared for managers inside the organization. Financial and Managerial accounting also differ in their emphasis between the past and future. The differences between Financial and Managerial Accounting is as followed: Since planning is such an important part of the managers job, managerial accounting has a strong orientation. In contrast financial accounting primarily provides summaries of past transaction. Financial accounting is mandatory for parties such as (SEC) and tax authorities. Managerial Accounting is not mandatory. http://accountingmanagement.com Cheryl Professor Backman 10/31/2012 1:54:59 AM Some Additonal Thoughts: GAAP provides the rules that corporations must follow under financial accounting. Managerial accounting does not have to follow GAAP. What is the purpose behind international accounting standards? International Accounting Casey Agans Stardards 10/31/2012 11:47:47 PM Modified:10/31/2012 11:48 PM The SEC notes that the purpose behind international accounting standards to is make information used by investors, "comparable, transparent, and reliable" in both the domestic and international markets. This system appears to have been put in place for the sake of the global capital market, in hopes to prevent scandals and or crashes. For a further detailed synopsis of the SEC's intentions with international accounting standards, follow on: http://www.sec.gov/rules/concept/34-42430.htm IAS, FASB, IFRS & Glen Souder IASB, Internation Standards 11/1/2012 12:15:05 AM The purpose behind international standards such as IAS, FASB, IFRS & IASB is to try and provide some common global language and guidelines. Since we and the rest of the world are participating in a global economy and business trade, standard rules and guidelines with participating countries have to be established. It a standards to assist in governing commonality and consistency in financial accounting amongst participating countries. Setting an internal accounting standard and practice. RE: IAS, FASB, IFRS & Britney Womble IASB, Internation Standards 11/3/2012 9:14:23 PM Thanks for posting Glen, wouldn't have guessed this RE: Cheryl Hind Ganz 10/31/2012 7:05:09 PM International accounting standards serve many purposes, one being it makes it easier for everyone to understand, essentially having one financial language globally. Hind Professor Backman 11/4/2012 3:44:26 AM Do you think there will be a one world accounting standard one day?? RE: Class Robert Kampen 10/28/2012 5:18:32 PM The differences between management accounting and financial accounting include: 1. Management accounting provides information to people within an organization while financial accounting is mainly for those outside it, such as shareholders 2. Financial accounting is required by law while management accounting is not. Specific standards and formats may be required for statutory accounts such as International Financial Reporting Standards. 3. Financial accounting covers the entire organization while management accounting may be concerned with particular products or cost centers. Managerial accounting is used primarily by those within a company or organization. Reports can be generated for any period of time such as daily, weekly or monthly. Reports are considered to be "future looking" and have forecasting value to those within the company. Financial accounting is used primarily by those outside of a company or organization. Financial reports are usually created for a set period of time, such as a fiscal year or period. Financial reports are historically factual and have predictive value to those who wish to make financial decisions or investments in a company. Management Accounting is the branch of Accounting that deals primarily with confidential financial reports for the exclusive use of top management within an organization. These reports are prepared utilizing scientific and statistical methods to arrive at certain monetary values which are then used for decision making. Such reports may include: Sales Forecasting reports Budget analysis and comparative analysis Feasibility studies Merger and consolidation reports Financial Accounting, on the other hand, concentrates on the production of financial reports, including the basic reporting requirements of profitability, liquidity, solvency and stability. Reports of this nature can be accessed by internal and external users such as the shareholders, the banks and the creditors. RE: Class Jodi Serino 10/28/2012 6:01:49 PM To add to all of the posts of my classmates, financial accounting deals with stocks, bonds, loans, debts and decisions that pertain to the future growth of a company, and the managerial accounting is more detailed in providing information that is specific to the managers of the various departments within the company. RE: Class Bobbie O'Neal 10/29/2012 1:45:28 PM Managerial accounting provides the essential data with which organizations are actually run, it is primarily by those within a company or organization. 11/4/2012 3:42:47 AM Jodi Professor Backman What factors influence a sales forecast? RE: Class Darion Maynor 10/28/2012 6:12:09 PM In any business, whether big or small, managerial accounting is very important and necessary. Managerial accounting focuses on the goals and path that the bosses and the managers have outlined for the company internally. The goal is to help them analyze whether they are on the right track to attain their goals or not. Financial accounting focuses on the financial reports that the investors, shareholders, and other outside parties view to see how the company is prospering. One of the main differences between managerial and financial accounting is that financial accounting is required by law while managerial isn't. Also, managerial accounting may cover only certain products or certain departments while financial accounting covers the entire organization. RE: Class Glen Souder 10/29/2012 12:46:28 AM Modified:10/29/2012 12:49 AM The goal of managerial accounting is to prepare and analyze internal financial information to plan and control operations using decision making. "managerial accounting stresses accounting concepts and procedures that are relevant to preparing reports for internal users of accounting information" (Jiambalvo) Managerial goals differ from financial accounting goals in that: Financial goals are to provide information (reports) and visibility to external customers/ and users or investors. Managerial Accounting information (reports) for internal planning and decision making purposes. Managerial accounting reports may contain information not reported ont he Financial Accounting aspect like how many products where produced, non-conformances cost, Financial Accounting usually deals with past or historical information, Managerial Accounting plans like future cost and forecasted production for next quarter. Jiambalvo. Managerial Accounting, 4th Edition. John Wiley & Sons. Retrieved from <vbk:9781118091050#outline(1)>. Class you are on Professor Backman the right track 10/29/2012 4:00:49 AM Remember that financial accounting will also look into the future and make projections. What accounting information is necessary/useful in managerial accounting decision making? What information is needed to make decisions? How does GAAP influence financial and managerial accounting? RE: Class you are on Casey Agans the right track 10/29/2012 10:55:16 AM The pivotal ideas behind decision making rest in incremental analysis and the thought, "you get what you measure." Key accounting information will be found in the cost types that exist such as variable, fixed, direct/indirect, opportunity, & sunken so an understanding of these is paramount. Finally, financial accounting is influenced by GAAP to protect outside investors. The contrary holds true for managerial accounting, which provides information more so for internal managers and is not require to be prepared in accordance with GAAP. RE: Class you are on Marvette Williams the right track 10/29/2012 11:19:05 AM In managerial accounting they need information that will help with planning and control to make decisions. Thus making following GAAP optional to managerial accounting if the more information can be gained by not following GAAP. One reason following GAAP guidelines are optional is because managerial accounting information is used internally. Financial accounting information is used externally creating a greater need to follow GAAP whether the company is under SEC jurisdiction or not. External users may be anyone outside of the company for example investors will use this information to make investment decisions. Marvette and Class Professor Backman Great Points 10/31/2012 1:51:25 AM What specific cost information would an internal decision maker need? What is involved in the planning process? What is involved in the controlling process? RE: Class you are Hind Ganz on the right track 10/31/2012 7:14:21 PM Marvette you make excellent points. A internal decision maker must first start by setting a budget and making a plan. The process consists of making a plan, taking action, seeing results, and evaluating the process. The control part comes into play when doing a job performance for instance, or any other type of review. Variable and fixed costs are also a big factor in the planning process. RE: Class you are on Cadette Batie the right track 10/29/2012 11:25:23 AM Prof; Managerial accounting is mainly focused on planning, decision making and control. Thus with this duty managerial accounting needs information that is accurate, timely and more detailed than that of financial accounting. Financial accounting uses information in a specifically designed format to present data to external users for the purpose of investing, lending money and making regulatory decisions. Managerial accounting, on the other hand does not require such stringent regulatory information as the information as stated earlier is used internally and will be used internally by those inside the organization. RE: Class you are on Jodi Serino the right track 10/29/2012 7:33:25 PM Accounting information that is necessary/useful in managerial accounting decision making is knowledge of what the operating cash flow is for the company - especially as it relates to the specific department. Mangerial Accounting Sandrea Igess 10/29/2012 5:41:02 PM Managerial Accounting has the responsibility to show where collecting has taken place and is reported financially for the purposes of internal information usage in business affairs. Such as materials costs, cost of labor etc. Managerial accounting is a requirement for companies to decide if the way things are handled is the most effective and if this is efficient cost wise. Decisions have to be made using managerial accounting. Class Professor Backman 10/30/2012 5:41:16 AM You have made some very good points regarding financial and managerial accounting. Managerial accounting is all about helping managers manage the future! External users get information about the past in order to make decision about the future. GAAP is concerned with accurate reporting of financial information. Managers need to take that a step further and use that info and other info to predict the future and make strategic decisions to bring the future they envision into existence. Class - what kind of information might help managers predict the future and/or make strategic decisions? RE: Class Sandrea Igess 10/30/2012 11:52:03 PM Financial accounting is intended to meet the needs of outside users of financial information, and follows GAAP. Management accounting is intended to satisfy the various needs of a large group of decision-makers inside the business, and does not follow GAAP. A single set of financial statements satisfies the requirements of GAAP, but management accounting reports can be tailored for any situation and user. Strategic Decisions Casey Agans 10/30/2012 4:23:03 PM Professor, Our course text places a great emphasis on the information age in regards to managerial accounting decisions. The ERP, SCM, and CRM software systems have been crucial in data mining which ultimately make an organization operate more competitively and allow for more long-term (strategic) decisions. RE: Class Angelique Kalnes 10/30/2012 2:49:37 PM Incremental analysis can help managers make strategic decisions by calculating the difference between revenues and difference in cost which will give you the amount of profit. Another detail that helps managers predict the future is that measuring performance and results will influence managers' actions. Angelique You Are Professor Backman 11/1/2012 4:09:42 AM Right!! One of the functions of any business is planning the future by forecasting sales. The planning process allows a business to reach the goals of an organization. There are a lot of elements in the planning process. What external factor should be considered to determine a plan (sales forecast) or future performances? RE: Class Bobbie O'Neal 10/30/2012 2:57:31 PM External users must have some assurance that the reports have been prepared in accordance with some common set of ground rules. These common ground rules enhance comparability and help reduce fraud and misrepresentations, but they do not necessarily lead to the type of reports that would be most useful in internal decision making.For example, GAAP requires that land be stated at its historical cost on financial reports. However if, management is considering moving a store to a new location and then selling the land the store currently sits on, management would like to know the current market value of the land, a vital piece of information that is ignored under generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP). http://www.accounting4management.com/financial_accounting_vs_managerial_accounting.htm#D8kqUDWoFTR7Oe2P.99 Managerial and Financial Angelique Kalnes Accounting 10/30/2012 2:44:25 PM Managerial accounting is directed at internal and future instances whereas financial accounting looks at outside factors such as investors and creditors which use summarized information. Managerial accounting looks at the details that will help with planning stages. RE: Managerial and Britney Womble Financial Accounting 10/31/2012 11:16:22 AM Thanks for posting Angelique Class Please Read and Professor Backman 10/31/2012 1:54:04 AM Respond We need to raise another topic in this thread. This will help you on the module. Some of the costs discussed in your text are: variable, fixed, sunk, opportunity, direct, indirect, controllable, non-controllable and incremental analysis. Give examples. Also discuss fixed costs, direct costs, indirect costs, controllable costs and noncontrollable costs. Give examples. Select one of the topics listed above and explain its meaning as well as its relevance to the managerial decision-making process. Please give examples when discussing the various topics. RE: Class Please Bobbie O'Neal Read and Respond 10/31/2012 10:28:20 AM In this week's lecture we find that Direct costs can be traced directly to a particular cost objective. Examples include raw materials and direct labor. Indirect costs cannot be directly traced to a particular cost objective, or are not worth tracing. Factory overhead, which includes costs such as rent, utilities, and insurance, represents an indirect cost. These costs are not identified with the manufacture of particular products, but rather are common to the firm's overall business activities. RE: Class Please Joshua Robinson Read and Respond 10/31/2012 12:21:46 PM Let's look at non-controllable costs. In my line of business which is insurance, we have several non-controllable costs. These include: Regulation - which can be changed at a moments notice requiring us to comply and bear the costs associated with compliance, Catastrophic losses - such as hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. We can PLAN for these losses by having adequate capital in reserves, but we can't predict them nor can we always mitigate them. So basically, non-controllable costs may be forecasted, even mitigated, but not always expected or budgeted for precisely. Joshua Professor Backman 11/4/2012 3:33:23 AM How does volume influence fixed costs and variable costs? Give some examples of variable and fixed costs? RE: Class Please Marvette Williams Read and Respond 10/31/2012 8:05:00 AM Sunk cost refers to a cost incurred in the past. So if you have already spent that money then this is a sunk cost and it's not used in the decision making process because it doesn't effect the future. Any cost that can be manipulated or influenced by someone is a controllable cost. If the cost cannot be influenced are non-controllable cost. One important that I learned through the text is whether or not a cost is controllable or noncontrollable depends on the level of management. Supervisor's and managers will have different controllable and non-controllable cost. Example: Direct material cost will be a controllable cost for supervisors of a specific department. Direct material cost for the entire company would be an uncontrollable cost for a supervisor. RE: Class Please Laurie Claus Read and Respond 10/31/2012 8:58:18 AM Variable cost-changing in proportion to change in the activity level. Example would be cost of steak for a steak restaurant. Total fixed cost- are not affected by a change inactivity level such as rent on a factory. Sunk cost- is an amount spent in the pat, this cost does not change. Example is buying a plane ticket for a get-away that cost $350 then being invited on a vacation with friends for the same dates as your get-away. The $350 is sunken cost. Opportunity cost- is the benefit that is given up when one option is chosen over another- example being invited to a party but in attending would require you to miss a half-day of work- the lost wages is opportunity cost Direct cost- can be traced directly to a particular cost objectiveexample is direct labor Indirect Cost- cannot be directly traced to a particular cost objectiveexample factory overhead: cost of rent and insurance Controllable- cost that manager can influence are controllable costexample a production manager's performance evaluation should be based on costs that he can control Noncontrollable cost- cost that cannot be influence by manger's control such as rent and insurance Incremental analysis- is used to find the impact of changes in cost or revenues Work Cited: Incremental Analysis, retrieved from: http://www.plu.edu/~mgtacctg/incremental_analysi.htm Work Cited: Week 1: introduction to managerial accounting -Lecture retrieved from: http;//vizedhtmlcontent.next.ecollege.com RE: Class Please Robert Kampen Read and Respond 11/1/2012 8:04:19 AM Thanks for the great positing here. I like the short and simple "definitions" you provide. As an example of controllable costs and non-controllable costs from my line of work (Bio-Medical Research), as lab manager I make sure there is a ready supply of consumables for the labs such as plastic ware, tubes, flasks..etc. These are controllable. Conversely, the overhead (utility expenses, cylinder gases such as CO2 or LN2 )for our department is not set in a fixed fashion, thus this would be non-controllable. RE: Class Please Bobbie O'Neal Read and Respond 10/31/2012 10:35:46 AM Laurie, I also read in this week's lecture that when classifying costs as direct or indirect, we must remember that the categorization depends upon the cost objective. For example, if a particular production area produces three products and has one supervisor, then the supervisor's salary is an indirect cost for the various products. However, if the corporation were categorizing costs for the various factories, then the supervisor's salary would be a direct cost. RE: Class Please Tabitha Hofstetter Read and Respond 10/31/2012 8:07:44 PM Sunk cost are cost that are pretty much sunk. They refer to past cost that no matter what choices are made in the future these cost will not ever change. in a business aspect the best sunk cost example I can think of is a business plans to expand and open a new store and then something happens and they decide they can not open and are not able to get the funds back that have already gone towards trying to get the expansion. Those funds are now sunk and they will never get returned or be changed. Sunk Costs Casey Agans 11/1/2012 1:26:32 PM Tabitha, I'm glad you restated the sunk cost example because while I understand it, the lecture description does not sit well with me. If Joe purchases a concert ticket for $30 and is later invited to a party, I highly doubt he would just ignore what has already been spent as the examples suggests he should. I know not of a single middle-class individual who would say, "That $30 doesn't matter." The $30 spent would more likely be a reason to decline going to the party and attend the concert instead. So thanks for bringing a new outlook on the definition. Tabitha Professor Backman 11/3/2012 4:48:30 PM So what are variable and fixed costs? Where would you find variable and fixed costs on a financial accounting income statement? RE: Class Please Cheryl Hurdle Read and Respond 11/3/2012 4:17:50 PM The variable cost is the cost that changes in relation to variation in an activity. In a business, the activity is frequently production volume, with sales volume being another likely triggering event. Examples of Variables: Direct Materials Piece Rate Labor Production Supplies Billable Staff Wages Commissions A fix cost is a cost that does not change over the short term, even if a business experiences changes in its sales volume or other activities levels. Examples of Fix Cost Amortization Depreciation Insurance Interest Expense Property Taxes Rent Sunk cost are retrospective(past) cost that have already been incurred and can not be recovered Examples of Sunk cost Product Research Advertising Speciality Equipment Opportunity cost is the cost of any activity measured in terms of the value of the next best alternative forgone that is not chosen Examples of Opportunity Cost Lost Times Pleasure Any other benefit that provide utility Indirect Cost are cost that are not directly accountable to a cost object. Examples of Indirect Cost Adminstration Cost Personnel Security Cost Overhead Controllable Cost are the cost which can be influenced by the action of a specified member of the undertaking Examples of Controllable Cost Direct Labor Cost Direct Material cost Direct Expense Noncontrollable Cost an expense that cannot be imiliaterally changed by an individual, department or business Examples of Noncontrollable Cost Employee Rate of Pay Rent Incremental Analysis, sometimes called marginal or differential analysis is used to analyze the financial information need for decision making Examples of Incremental Analysis Accepting additional business Selling production or processing Eliminating A Segment www.investopedia.com www.accountingtools.com RE: Class Please Stephanie Motak Read and Respond 11/4/2012 1:49:41 PM A fixed cost is a cost that does not change with an increase or decrease in the amount of goods or services produced. Fixed costs are expenses that have to be paid by a company, independent of any business activity. It is one of the two components of the total cost of a good or service, along with variable cost. An example of a fixed cost would be a company's lease on a building. If a company has to pay $10,000 each month to cover the cost of the lease but does not manufacture anything during the month, the lease payment is still due in full. In economics, a business can achieve economies of scale when it produces enough goods to spread fixed costs. For example, the $100,000 lease spread out over 100,000 widgets means that each widget carries with it $1 in fixed costs. If the company produces 200,000 widgets, the fixed cost per unit drops to 50 cents. Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fixedcost.asp#ixzz2BHzR8pXD WK 1 DQ 2 Response Tabitha Hofstetter 10/31/2012 8:04:32 PM I believe that they are different because you are ultimately managing your business in managerial accounting. Financial accounting is focused on consistency because that is the entire focus of financial accounting just on the finance aspect. Where as with managerial you have to know a little bit of everything. You need to make goals, set goals, reach goals, and control the business. Managerial accounting allows you to be able to focus on how the company is ran and also the future plans of the company to run effectively. Class Let's End The Week By Looking At The Following: Professor Backman 11/1/2012 4:07:45 AM Explain the following positions in a corporation: CFO, CIO, CEO, Controller and Treasurer. How does variable cost and fixed costs influence business decisions? How important is non monetary information in making business decisions? What is incremental analysis? How is it used? Incremental Casey Agans Analysis 11/1/2012 1:34:25 PM Our course text defines Incremental Analysis as, "an analysis of the revenues and costs that will change if a decision alternative is selected." The simplest way to explain it is to take the revenue, cost, and profit of alternative one and measure it against the same criteria for alternative two. The difference will indicate which is the better solution for the organization through incremental profit. Casey Professor Backman 11/3/2012 4:49:52 PM What are fixed costs and variable costs and how are they used in incremental analysis? What are opportunity costs and controllable costs? RE: Class Let's End The Week By Darion Maynor Looking At The Following: 11/1/2012 10:40:38 PM I guess I'll take non monetary information! In any business, making financial business decisions are a no brainer. Making the correct ones can cause profits to increase and vice versa. However, there are some key non monetary information that directly affects business decisions. First, employee satisfaction. Companies who don't care about their employees or who are perceived as such, will have big problems with their consumer satisfaction. Therefore, when making business decisions, companies have to be concerned with employee satisfaction because it is obvious that happy employees equal happy consumers. Also, businesses must be aware of competition when making business decisions. If their competitors are making something ground breaking, it might cause a company to piggy back of the idea or make decisions that could set them apart from them. RE: Class Let's End The Week By Sandrea Igess Looking At The Following: 11/2/2012 5:35:20 PM Incremental analysis is a technique used in business decision-making to determine the true cost difference between alternatives without including sunk costs as well any cost that may be the same between them. It only focuses on what the remaining costs are which may be called the relevant cost approach or differential analysis. RE: Class Let's End The Week By Marvette Williams Looking At The Following: 11/1/2012 8:42:17 AM Chief Executive Officer (CEO) is responsible for the entire company. This position manages everyone and is ultimately responsible for the success or failure of the company. Chief Financial Officer (CFO) is responsible for all financial and accounting operations of the company. This position will report to the CEO. Chief Information Officer (CIO) is responsible for the information technology and computer systems departments. This position can either report to the CFO or CEO depending on how the company's organizational chart is set up. Controller holds the top management accounting position. Duties of this position includes compiles and presents information needed to make management decisions. Treasurer is responsible for money management and keeping track of the cash and invested funds. The treasurer will also prepare financial forecasts and make banking transactions on the company's behalf. This position will report to the Controller RE: Class Let's End The Week By Tabitha Hofstetter Looking At The Following: 11/1/2012 1:13:07 PM Marvette since you did the explaining of the positions I'll take on the variable and fixed cost. Variable cost are cost that are constantly changing. The decisions to be made based off these are when to add to labor or when to cut back on labor. If you are noticing a slow down and your labor is still running the same then you will eventually be paying more for the labor than you are making which is never a good thing in business. Fixed cost are cost that aren't changing and probably will never change. Decisions based on these cost can go into sunk cost. Financing a new venture or anything like that and having it flop will be a fixed cost. Or another fixed cost is hold certain licenses in order to operate the business those are cost that may change with the years, but it is a fixed cost that you know you will have to pay in order to operate your business. RE: Managerial accounting Joshua Robinson 11/1/2012 10:43:40 AM Management accounting is flexible, timely, and forward looking because the primary focus of managerial accounting is to evaluate internal decisions being made, support those decisions, and keep track of management decisions related to the companies financing. Traditional financial accounting is required to report to Regulators, Investors, etc. So they must follow strict rules and follow accepted standards. Class Professor Backman 11/2/2012 4:36:00 AM Discuss the difference between timely managerial accounting reports and the tradeoff for accuracy. What is meant by the statement "You get what you measure"? Both financial and managerial accounting are important to a company's success. Which do you think contributes more to this success and why? RE: Class Tabitha Hofstetter 11/3/2012 9:18:15 AM While I agree that both are important and both cause the business to be successful I would have to say that Managerial contributes more. Managerial covers more of the business and has a lot to handle in able to keep the business successful. RE: Class Jodi Serino 11/3/2012 11:16:16 PM I have just read all of my classmates comments on "you get what you measure" and I must say wow! Ive heard a statement similar "you get what you dish out" and the meaning was simple, that you would get back what you put out. In other words, if you are being "nasty" in how you interact with others, you will get the same response back. If you care for that which you present, you will have things given back to you the same, etc. When studying computer language it was called GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). Its all the same thing, just applied in different ways. Thus when dealing with accounting reports, the accuracy in which one prepares the reports will result in an accuracy in results. Its all the same thing. I apologize for restating all of this, it just seemed that the other definitions were really technical in reference to something that is really simple. RE: Class Robert Kampen 11/2/2012 12:20:29 PM The old saying “you get what you measure” is used in many contexts all over the world, and it has had influence on reinforcing interests in measurements. Measurements are important in all kinds of activities including managing organizations but their emphasis is very often wrong. You don’t necessarily get what you measure, and what you get through measurements is not necessarily good for organization or people being managed. RE: Class Angelique Kalnes 11/2/2012 12:37:42 PM I think that "you get what you measure" contributes to accurate accounting that has a checks and balances. If you are diligently working and ensuring everything is working properly, you are going to get a nice payoff. Angelique Professor Backman 11/4/2012 3:40:53 AM How does the job responsibilities of the controller and the information officer differ? RE: Class Joshua Robinson 11/2/2012 3:00:50 PM Timely Managerial Accounting often requires analysis to be created as needed, rather than periodically at the end of accounting periods as occurs with financial accounting. This makes for less accurate reports because in order to get the estimates in a timely fashion, estimates are used frequently which may not be as accurate as actual results. "You get what you measure" means just that. If you focus on what you are measuring, and assign a target to it, you often achieve that results. But beware, because you may not be measuring the right thing... it's really hard to say which contributes more to a companies success... If I had to argue one over the other I would say Financial Accounting is more contributory because it not only reflects actual results, but drives the estimates, etc. that make up Managerial accounting. RE: Class Ashley Taylor 11/2/2012 11:39:01 PM Timely managerial accounting is when your report on the statistics you have now. It is used to make manegerial decisions on the numbers that are available to your company ion th present instead of a report run at the end of the period like in financial accounting. There are errors in timely accounting because not all the numbers may be present and accounted for. "You get what you measure" is the idea that companies that use performance measure influence the way managers behave. I believe that from an internal standpoint managerial accounting is most important. The people running the company and making the decisions are who make the company succeed. While financial accounting can help get people to invest and keep money coming in from outside sources its the managers decisions that keep the company running. If they don't spend the money wisely and make well informed decisions for the company then it could/will fail. RE: Class - "Ya get what you Glen Souder measure" 11/3/2012 12:33:38 AM Modified:11/3/2012 2:29 AM "You get what you measure" equates to "performance measures greatly influence the behavior of managers". (Jiambalvo). In other words, from the various choices of company measurements that can be implemented, what and where you plan to apply those measurements will directly reflect the behavior of how a manager or employee will focus their attention towards. If you implement performance rewards towards cost savings as a measurement, the behavior of a team member will most likely be more focused on enhancing their performance in trying to negotiate/save costs. On the other hand, "you get what you measure" can also cause troubles in that the manger/team member may spend most of their time trying to save costs as a measurement and neglect say quality or service just to assure they focus on the emphasized measurement. Therefore there needs to be balance on what and how you implement performance measurements. Jiambalvo. Managerial Accounting, 4th Edition. John Wiley & Sons. Retrieved from <vbk:9781118091050#outline(1.4.3)>. RE: Class "Ya get Britney Womble what you measure" 11/4/2012 3:00:33 PM Thanks for posting. I didnt know this at all, thanks also for putting it into other words too and explaining it. Managerial and Financial William Hines Iv 11/2/2012 6:10:53 AM Though they are both accounting, these two practices are different. Managerial accounting is the information used by managers in decision making when it comes to thoughts about products and trends. They use the information to see how much of something should be produced or if a product should still be carried or discontinued. They can analyze the information by trends and patterns. Financial accounting may also use trend and pattern information, but it is used by outside sources. It is usually done by investors such as banks or stockholders. They use the financial information by looking at the companies financial stability and debt to income ratio to see if they should grant a company a loan. RE: Managerial Rachel Hollingsworth and Financial 11/3/2012 4:45:21 PM Great explanation and examples William! So basically, to re-iterate your words, financial accounting is a broad view of the companies monetary successes/failures for such people like investors and banks. Managerial dives in to the specifics in order to solve failures and promote successes within the company itself. RE: Managerial William Hines Iv and Financial 11/4/2012 9:03:36 AM Correct. As a previous business owner, I participated in the managerial accounting part. With selling figures based off of horror films I was always looking for horror related items. The majority of the figures seemed to be re-releases of the same characters such as Jason from Friday the 13th, Freddy from Nightmare on Elm Street, and a few Leatherface from Chainsaw Massacre. Eventually people get tired of the same characters so as the owner I had to decide what to do so I did not have the same figures. I also saw that sales started to slowly slip away from the repeated characters. This caused me to have to look for other figures and items to sell, or to hope that the repeat figures would just sell. This is an example at the way managerial accounting is used in analysis of products RE: Managerial Britney Womble and Financial 11/4/2012 2:59:42 PM Thanks for posting and explaining it. managerial vs. accounting Stephanie Motak 11/2/2012 3:47:21 PM The difference between financial & managerial is the following : - managerial acct directed at internal rather than external users of accounting information - managerial acct. may deviate from generally accepted accounting principles - managerial acct. present more detailed information - managerial acct. present more non monetary information - managerial acct. places more emphasis on the future. RE: managerial Rachel Hollingsworth vs. accounting 11/3/2012 4:41:40 PM Don't take this the wrong way...I see you got this answer directly from the book...you must cite the book in order to not plagiarize ;) Here is the citation: (Jiambalvo 7) Jiambalvo. Managerial Accounting, 4th Edition. John Wiley & Sons. <vbk:9781118091050#outline(1.2.5)>. RE: managerial Britney Womble vs. accounting 11/3/2012 9:12:49 PM I think we all need to get used to citing things especially when we do papers and things. Managerial and Financial Leon Kiyonga Accounting 11/3/2012 1:27:15 AM The above given statement is correct as flexibility, timeliness and forward looking are the important factor for management accounting and consistency and standardization for financial accounting. The management accounting is for internal stakeholders and are prepared by the managers as they review the management so there can be a lack of standardization and consistency is not that important too because the manager prepare the report when they feel the necessary of doing it. Management accounting is done on the regular basis by the managers to take small and day-to-day decision but financial accounting is prepared every quarterly. Financial accounting has a set format but for management accounting there is no such format. Financial accounting has to be presented to the various stakeholders thus more emphasis is given on the presentation and these presentation are mandatory as management accounting is prepared on regular basis is so no set presentation. Wrap Up On Financial and Professor Backman Managerial Accounting 11/3/2012 4:45:22 PM Wrap up on Financial and Managerial Accounting: Financial accounting information is for external stakeholders such as investors, stockholders, banks, and government agencies. Financial accounting must abide by GAAP principles and if the business is a publicly traded corporation must adhere to the Sarbanes Oxley regulation. Financial accounting is concerned with presenting the results of past transactions. One of the goals of financial accounting is to maximize shareholder wealth. Managerial accounting is for internal users and tends to provide more analysis than financial accounting. Managerial accounting places considerable emphasis on the future and will take the same information used in the financial statements and look at the information differently. In order to make sound business decisions we must look at both revenue and expenses. One effective technique that is used is incremental analysis. When using this technique we find that an analysis of variable costs is very useful in decision making. The reason is that variable costs change based on the production levels. Fixed costs are normally not relevant in decision making because they remain fixed over a relevant range. As a result the total fixed cost does not change in relation to the production levels. Non-monetary information is also useful in solidifying a decision. Internal accounting information and reports must be designed for the user and they must be accurate, reliable, timely, and provide management with the tools to make decisions. RE: Wrap Up On Financial Britney Womble and Managerial Accounting 11/3/2012 9:09:53 PM Thanks for posting this professor. I like having a quick summary of what we learned this week goals of IFRS Irene Turay 11/4/2012 7:33:13 AM The goal with IFRS is to make international comparisons as easy as possible. This is difficult because, to a large extent, each country has its own set of rules. For example, U.S. GAAP are different from Canadian GAAP. Synchronizing accounting standards across the globe is an ongoing process in the international accounting community Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/ifrs.asp#ixzz2BGSJw28n RE: goals Britney Womble of IFRS 11/4/2012 2:57:38 PM Thanks for porsting, but I dont think this would be considered a source or one you can use since there is no author