CHEMICAL PROCESSING – SUPPLIER ACTION TEAM (CP-SAT)
OCTOBER 2015
UNCONFIRMED
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 21, 2015
PITTSBURGH, PA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the CP-SAT in writing or by vote at a subsequent
meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the
CP-SAT and shall not be considered as such by any agency
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 21
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
Call to Order
The Chemical Processing Supplier Action Team (CP-SAT) meeting was called to order at 2:30
p.m., on 21-Oct-2015.
It was verified that only Supplier Members and Performance Review Institute (PRI) Staff were in
attendance during the meeting.
Routing of attendance list
Introductions
Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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NAME
Matthew
George
Tom
Jennifer
Mike
Charles
Todd
Jim
Jim
Michael
Tony
Jonathan
James
James
Amanda
Cindy
Keith
Frank
Rich
Abdul
Mike
Gregory
Scott
Kim
Orlena
Dennis
Jim
Tammi
Dave
COMPANY NAME
Akin
Bufkin
Burgess
Carpenter-McTyer
Collins
Costello
Crawford
Cummings
Denton
Francisco
Garcia
Hebben
Howarth
Jankowski
Kirchner
Klingler
Logan
Lopez
Madsen
Nathani
Noettl
Penny
Peterson
Porter
Puckett
Reidy
Ringer
Schubert
Serbousek
COMPANY NAME
TrueLogic Company, LLC
Davro Inc.
Amphenol Aerospace
Chrome Plus International
Precise Machining & Mfg.
Sun-Glo Plating Company
GKN Aerospace - St. Louis
Metal Finishing Company
B-D Industries Inc.
Stabile Plating
Blanchard Metals Processing
Circor
Advanced Coating Techniques
Precise Machining & Mfg.
beyondRelations LLC
Quality Systems Coaching, LLC
Saporito Finishing
Semiray Special Process Divsion
Blanchard Metals Processing
Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
Magnetic Inspection Laboratory Inc.
Black Oxide Industries Inc.
beyondRelations LLC
Poly Metal Finishing
Precise Machining & Mfg.
C.I.L.
Tech Met
Helicomb International
Olympic Scientific
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Bernd
Steve
Mitch
Gerald
David
Matt
Blanca
Spelsberg
Stone
Tanner
Wahlin
Winter
Zanolli
Zilli-Huerta
Otto Fuchs
Saporito Finishing
Triumph Processing, Embee Division
AAA Plating & Inspection Inc.
Olympic Scientific
Alcoa Howmet Dover Castings
Bowman Plating Company Inc.
PRI Staff Present
Ethan
Joyce
Nigel
Robert
Akins
Benkart
Cook
Nixon
1.1
Review Rules of Conduct.
1.2
Approval of the minutes of the previous meeting.
Motion made by Kim Porter and seconded by Charles Costello to approve the minutes from June
2015 meeting. Motion Passed.
2.0
NEW MEMBER ORIENTATION
Mike Noettl reviewed the Functions and Operation of the Nadcap Chemical Processing Task
Group (CPTG) as well as the role of this committee in support of the Task Group.
3.0
CP-SAT MISSION STATEMENT
The CP-SAT mission statement was reviewed.
4.0
STATUS OF OPEN ACTION ITEMS
AMS2700: CP-SAT to develop a proposal to submit to Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE)
Committee B via Bob Koukol. The proposal is to replace Type IV water with distilled water in
AMS2700 paras 3.2.1.2 and 3.2.1.3.1.
AC7108 allows the use of deionized water of ≤5µS where the specification calls out distilled
water. Request TG to make request to SAE Committee B.
Motion made by Jim Ringer and seconded by Jonathan Hebben to close this for CP-SAT as it is
being addressed by the Task Group. All in favour
Supplier Support Committee (SSC) Representative: The CP-SAT voted to nominate Eric
Jacklin as the designated SSC representative and Tammi Schubert as the alternate
representative should Eric not be able to attend and ask for ratification from the Task Group
Chairperson and CP Lead Staff Engineer. Eric and Tammi are long standing active voting
members of the CPTG.
Action Item: Eric Jacklin to check with the SSC about the opportunity for a Commodity to have an
Alterrnate Representative whrn the normal SSC Representative is not available (Due Date: 20-Feb2016)
Auditor Consistency: There seems to be a lot of audits, including initial audits that have zero
major NCRs. Is there any correlation with auditors that attend the annual auditor conference and
the number of NCRs raised by those auditors? Request that the Auditor Consistency team look
into this.
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Visual Acceptance Requirements: Concern that product is being rejected at Subscribers
because the new engineers don’t understand the final product and what is and is not acceptable,
e.g. masking line creep, undefined FOD, colour of conversion coating and undyed anodize.
Specifications and drawings do not typically define these items. Need to build a matrix of process
and acceptable conditions that are being rejected.
Charles Costello brought a list of examples to the CP-SAT regarding visual inspection rejections.
Need to gather some pictures of acceptable parts that were rejected and put together a
presentation to the Task Group to show the issues and this could then be flowed to the supply
chain.
Action Item: All Suppliers to email color pictures to Charles Costello, to include spec number
acceptance requirements and reason for rejection.
Action Item: Charles Costello to compile a presentation of the examples and forward to Nigel
Cook for review at the next CP-SAT meeting.
Alternative Representation for NMC Representative: The Nadcap Management Council
(NMC) representative has voting rights at the NMC level and is also required to participate at
meeting between the scheduled Task Group meetings. Due to the commitment required to
support NMC activities the representative is not always available to attend the regular Task
Group meetings.
Motion made by Jerry Wahlin and seconded by Dennis Reidy to request an alternate reprentative
position for the NMC Representative. Motion Passed.
If this is agreed it was also decided to allow Jim Cummings to select his alternate.
Jim Cummings confirmed there was nothing presently in the NMC command media for alternates.
Motion Closed.
5.0
NEW BUSINESS
ASTM D4060: Dave Serbousek has been working with a representative from Taber and drafted
an alternative to ASTM D4060 for hard coatings. Update to be provided at the next meeting
Electronic Signatures on Certs: A couple of United States Subscribers require original
signatures but generally people accept electronic signatures. There is nothing in AC7108 that
requires an original signature and so this is not a CP issue.
Paint Adhesion Problems: Suppliers are seeing adhesion failures on water based primers on
7050 materials.
AMS-QQ-P-416 Rev D: The specification contains errors in the de-embrittlement table:
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Motion made by Jim Ringer and seconded by Kim Porter to request an auditor advisory be raised.
All in favour.
Checklist Strategy: How will the Task Group be analyzing and reporting the affect of the new
checklists on auditor consistency and NCRs/audit.
6.0
DEVELOP AGENDA
Agenda for the next meeting to be developed by Mike Noettl and Jim Ringer with assistance from
Nigel Cook.
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Visual acceptance criteria presentation.
Any requests for agenda items to be added to the next meeting to be sent to Mike Noettl and
Nigel Cook.
MEETING ADJOURNED