CHEMICAL PROCESSING – SUPPLIER ACTION TEAM (CP-SAT)
OCTOBER 2014
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 20-23, 2014
PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, UNITED STATES
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the CP-SAT in writing or by vote at a subsequent
meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the
CP-SAT and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 22
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
Call to Order
It was verified that only Supplier Members and Performance Review Institute (PRI) Staff were in
attendance during the meeting.
Routing of attendance list
Introductions
Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Leandro
David
George
Stephane
Aja
Charlie
Steve
Jim
Jim
Tara
Gary
Michael
Justin
Debbie
Bryan
Jonathan
Ballard
Eric
Keith
Dinh
Michael
Gregory
Scott
Kim
Ken
Jim
Victor
Tammi
Stephen
Steve
Mitch
Jim
Jerry
COMPANY NAME
Aparicio
Arnold
Bufkin
Chaumeil
Collins
Costello
Crest
Cummings
Denton
Douglas
Fox
Francisco
Guzman
Hagar
Hebb
Hebben
Hindman
Jacklin
Logan
Ngo
Noettl
Penny
Peterson
Porter
Rettger
Ringer
Salazar
Schubert
Simacek
Stone
Tanner
Tuminello
Whalin
Advanced Coating Technique
Metal Tech
Davro
Galion
Unison Engine Components
Sun-Glo Plating Company
Stabile Plating Coompany Inc.
Metal Finishing Company Inc.
B-D Industries Inc.
Litron Inc.
Anodyne, Inc.
Stabile Plating
Aircraft X-Ray
NORDAM Interiors and Structures
AMS Coatings Inc.
Ducommun Inc.
Advanced Coating Technique
F.M. Callahan & Son Inc.
Saporito Finishing Company
GKN Aerospace Chem-tronics Inc.
Magnetic Inspection Laboratory Inc.
Triumph Processing Embee Division
Beyond Relations
Poly-Metal Finishing
Lord Corp-MPD
Tech Met Inc.
OMNI Metal Finishing Inc.
LMI Finishing, Inc.
Hytek Finishes
Saporito Finishing Company
Triumph Processing - Embee Division
Tech Met Inc.
AAA Plating & Inspection Inc.
Chairperson
Vice Chairperson
CHEMICAL PROCESSING – SUPPLIER ACTION TEAM (CP-SAT)
OCTOBER 2014
CONFIRMED
PRI Staff Present
William
Nigel
Calvert
Cook
Review Rules of Conduct
The minutes of the June 2014 were approved. Proposed: Jim Ringer, Seconded: Kim Porter.
2.0
NEW MEMBER ORIENTATION
Jim Cummings reviewed the Functions and Operation of the Nadcap Chemical
Processing Task Group (CPTG) as well as the role of this committee in support of the
Task Group.
3.0
CP-SAT MISSION STATEMENT
The CP-SAT mission statement was reviewed.
4.0
STATUS OF ACTION ITEMS
AC7108 App B Test Methods: The Suppliers are finding it difficult to understand which section
in Appendix B should be used for certain tests. Can staff review the sections and add Compliance
Assessment Guidance (CAG) to clearly describe what tests are applicable to a given section of
AC7108 App B. Ask for this to be included in the strategic plan and included in the new
AC7108/4. Chemical Processing Task Group to be requested to set up a sub-team to identify
additional test methods for inclusion in AC7108/4, e.g. surface roughness, electrical continuity
testing.
Action Item: Open (Surface resistance test for class 3 conversion coat is being worked).
Document Ballots: The email that provides the hyperlink to the ballot screen does not include a
hyperlink or where to find the training document on how to respond to ballots. A hyperlink or
location path to be provided. Action: Closed (email has been modified to include the path to the
ballot manager training document).
NOP-008 Merit: Due to concerns raised about the number of NCRs identified as escapes and the
resulting loss in merit the CPTG requested the CP-SAT review NOP-008 to see if any changes
could be made to allow a longer period for appeal of the merit decision. NOP-008 was reviewed
but it just described the merit criteria and process, the appeal process is covered by NOP-001. It
was agreed that the best way forward was to request that the CPTG raise an amendment request
to Nadcap Management Council (NMC) to amend NOP-001 para 11.3.1 to allow an extended
time to appeal loss of merit due to escapes/potential product impact. This is because it typically
takes longer than the audit review time and the 10 day. Action: Closed (Request has been sent
to the document owner and is with the NMC).
Responding To Ballots: Nigel Cook gave a review on how to respond to document ballots by
responding to a document presently in ballot. It was also pointed out that technical comments can
only be made against paragraphs that are proposed as being changed, technical comments
against other paragraphs will be discarded.
5.0
NEW BUSINESS
eQuaLified Presentation: Aerospace Suppliers are required to document their processes and
training via the AS9100 Quality Management Systems (QMS) and Nadcap Certification
Programs. CP-SAT believes this is sufficient personnel training and that there is no need for the
eQuaLified exams. A Supplier’s certification of the knowledge of its employees must be defined
by the company. Because PRI is the worldwide sole source supplier on certification of Nadcap
CHEMICAL PROCESSING – SUPPLIER ACTION TEAM (CP-SAT)
OCTOBER 2014
CONFIRMED
Suppliers, we request that they refrain from involvement in this testing. Request that no more
“sales” presentations are put on the Task Group agenda.
Six Day Audits: Concerns that more Nonconformance Reports (NCR)s could be found in a 6 day
Chemical Processing audit that includes AC7108/2 and therefore more likelihood of failure or loss
of merit due to the 3 day cap limits.
Concerns about the additional cost of the additional one day audit duration because of
NonDestructive Testing (NDT) requirements for AC7108/2
Smart Checklist: Propose to change procedures to allow a Task Group to decide if an audit can
be modified scope plus new questions within the Smart Checklist system.
CP-SAT Chairperson: Jim Cummings is standing down as Chairperson of the CP-SAT due to
other commitments. Motion made by Jerry Wahlin and seconded by Jim Ringer for Mike Noettl to
be the new Chair. All in favour.
Motion made by Jim Cummings and seconded by Kim Porter for Jim Ringer to be Vice Chair. All
in favour.
To be confirmed by the Task Group.
6.0
DEVELOP AGENDA
Agenda for the next meeting to be developed by Mike Noettl & Jim Ringer with assistance from
Nigel Cook.
Any requests for agenda items to be added to the next meeting to be sent to Mike Noettl and
Nigel Cook.
MEETING ADJOURNED.