MINUTES OF THE ROADS COMMITTEE MEETING – A AGENDA
HELD IN THE FIRST FLOOR COMMITTEE ROOM AT THE TOWN HALL ON
WEDNESDAY, 15 JUNE 2011 AT 09.30AM
PRESENT:
Connétable S Crowcroft
Mr G Jennings
Mr N Blake
Mr P Pearce
Rev I MacFirbhisigh
APOLOGIES:
The Very Rev Robert Key (Dean)
Mr J Wilding
Mr P Freeley (Procureur du Bien Public)
IN ATTENDANCE:
Mr C Barton (Procureur du Bien Public)
Mr J Stievenard (Assistant Director of Technical & Environmental Services)
Mr R MacKenzie (Town Centre Manager)
OPEN MEETING
Having been previously circulated, the ‘A’ Agenda Minutes of the meeting held on 11 May 2011
were agreed.
MATTERS ARISING
143/11 - SCENIC LANES
AWARD
AGENDA ITEMS
144/11 - REQUEST FROM
TTS TO EXTINGUISH
PART OF OXFORD ROAD
Previous minute 119/11 refers
Mr Jennings advised that Vallée des Vaux had come 4th in the competition. It was felt that if St
Helier was promoted as a walking venue, involving the Blue Badge Guides if possible, this
could help any future nominations for the competition, especially as St Helier is one of the few
Parishes that can offer town and country walks.
The Director of Municipal Services, TTS, asked the Committee to consider extinguishment of
the part of Oxford Road that passes through the Town Park. If the States did acquire the land it
would mean that when the land was transferred to Property Holdings it would be as a whole
parcel.
The Committee could see the merits in the transfer for administration purposes but wanted to
safeguard the use of the route as a designated cycle route, as had been previously agreed.
The Director of Municipal Services, TTS, said that provision for cycling had been provided
around the perimeter of the Park but the Committee were insistent on keeping the through route
in the hope that it would link up with Belmont Road in the future if the private building was
acquired.
Mr Jennings asked for clarification to ensure that cyclists can cycle legally through the park as
this is in conflict with Parks and Gardens Regulations, The Director of Municipal Services, TTS,
said the Regulations were not practically enforced.
The Committee agreed that they would be prepared to consider extinguishment of the road and
sale of the land to the States if an assurance was given that cycling would still be allowed
legally across the Park. The Director of Municipal Services, TTS, agreed to take this offer back
to the States and said he would investigate whether the contravention of the Parks & Gardens
Regulations could be achieved by denoting it as a cycle route, as happens at Springfield.
Mr Jennings and Mr Pearce asked for their dissent from the decision to be recorded.
145/11 - PROPOSALS
FOR PAVING – PAYN
STREET
The Committee were asked to consider plans for paving part of Payn Street in conjunction with
the building works currently being carried out on the adjacent site. The Developer had already
discussed the proposals with T & E Services and confirmed that the surface would be
constructed to an acceptable standard, including all drainage, and had agreed to provide
bollards at certain points to ensure vehicle access to and from the adjacent premises was not
blocked. The proposed granite surface would have a minimum life of 10 years but this would
probably be longer as this road is designated for access only.
The Committee agreed to the proposal and felt it would enhance the area. Mr Pearce agreed
but felt that the more traditional kerbs and tarmac should be used.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS
146/11 - TOWN CENTRE
SIGNAGE
A short discussion took place regarding existing and proposed town centre signage. Mr
Jennings suggested the signs should include “walking times”. The Constable thought there
may be merit in forming a working group comprising of representatives from TTS, Planning and
Tourism. T & E Services agreed to write to TTS on behalf of the Constable and copy the letter
to Planning and Tourism.
147/11 - BOLLARDS PROVIDENCE STREET
T & E Services agreed that they would arrange for the plastic bollards outside the Granville to
be removed.
148/11 - PARKING –
WESLEY STREET
T & E Services agreed to contact Happy Days about the removal of their van from parking on
the pavement.
PLANNING APPLICATIONS
149/11 - UPLANDS
P/2011/0700
HOTEL, ST JOHN’S
Uplands Hotel, St John’s Road, St Helier
ROAD, ST HELIER
Convert existing hotel into 16 No apartments. Various external alterations.
The Parish has no objection to the above submission.
150/11 - 1 – 3
JOURNEAUX STREET &
32 AQUILA ROAD, ST
HELIER
RW/2011/0713
1 – 3 Journeaux Street & 32 Aquila Road, St Helier
Replacement windows.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and gives approval
provided:That windows W3 & W4 are fitted with permanent stays to prevent casements opening beyond
the face of the building. An alternative (to avoid illegal encroachment) is to replace these
windows with vertical sliding units.
151/11 - DEVON HOUSE,
28 CHEVALIER ROAD,
ST HELIER
P/2011/0736
Devon House, 28 Chevalier Road, St Helier
Remove existing extension to east elevation. Construct extension with balcony above to east
elevation. Various external alterations.
The Parish has no objection to the above submission.
152/11 - ISLAND SITE, LA
ROUTE DE LA
LIBERATION, ST HELIER
RP/2011/0740
Island Site, La Route de la Liberation, St Helier
Redevelopment of disused former abattoir site and tourism office as part of an overall
masterplan for the Island Site to provide retail, food, beverage and office units, alterations to the
historic structures, new entrances and associated hard and soft landscaping. REVISED
PLANS: Extend unit 13B (Former Tourism Office) to café/restaurant. Various external
alterations.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and gives approval
provided:The applicant liaises with the Parish Refuse Department to agree suitable storage and pickup of
rubbish.
153/11 - UPLANDS
HOTEL (GATEHOUSE),
NEW ST JOHN’S ROAD,
ST HELIER
P/2011/0602
Uplands Hotel (Gatehouse), New St John’s Road, St Helier
Convert existing hotel bar and staff accommodation into 1 No dwelling.
The Parish has no objection to the above submission.
154/11 - 19 CHEAPSIDE,
ST HELIER
.
P/2011/0605
19 Cheapside, St Helier
Alterations to shopfront. Erect blind incorporating sign over
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and gives approval
provided:Suitable provision for the storage and collection of refuse is incorporated into the proposal to
the satisfaction of the Parish Refuse Department.
155/11 - 20 – 22 DAVID
PLACE, ST HELIER
P/2011/0604
20 – 22 David Place, St Helier
Remove rear annexe. Convert ground and first floor to create 4 No residential units. Create
vehicular access. Various external alterations.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:The Parish remains firm in its stance that a minimum of one off street private parking space
should be provided for each unit of accommodation, therefore the creation of two units would
be acceptable not four in this instance.
156/11 - UPLANDS
HOTEL (BARN), NEW ST
JOHN’S ROAD, ST
HELIER
P/2011/0617
Uplands Hotel (Barn), New St John’s Road, St Helier
Convert existing outbuildings into 1 No dwelling.
The Parish has no objection to the above submission.
157/11 - 3 ANN PLACE,
ST HELIER, JE2 4GA
P/2011/0649
3 Ann Place, St Helier, JE2 4GA
Demolish existing garages. Construct 1 No dwelling.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:The principle of development of the site is supported but there are concerns over access and
egress visibility lines. The garage does not appear to achieve the necessary pedestrian
visibility criteria and this should be addressed.
The space adjacent for the parking of 4 cars is acceptable but the small wall nib to the south
east of the area should be retained so as to improve both pedestrian and vehicular vision.
158/11 - 30 CHEVALIER
ROAD, ST HELIER
P/2011/0421
30 Chevalier Road, St Helier
Remove part of roadside wall and fence to create parking. Modify existing walls and add
railings.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:The Parish is appreciative of the additional drawing showing an adequate vision line. However,
the Parish remain firmly opposed to the application on the basis that the proposed space does
not meet the minimum length requirement.
159/11 - 9 LA MOTTE
STREET & 35-37
HILGROVE STREET, ST
HELIER
P/2010/1863
9 La Motte Street & 35-37 Hilgrove Street, St Helier
Demolish existing building. Construct new building comprising of basement parking, retail unit
and 41 No apartments. Retention and refurbishment of existing La Motte Street façade. Model
available. AMENDED PLANS RECEIVED.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:The Parish’s most recent comments in its representation dated 26.05.11 remain relevant.
160/11 - 27 ESPLANADE
& TOWER CARPETS, LA
RUE DES MIELLES, ST
HELIER
P/2011/0647
27 Esplanade & Tower Carpets, La Rue des Mielles, St Helier
Retention and refurbishment of historic façade to 27 Esplanade and first three bays. Demolition
of remainder of buildings through to La Rue des Mielles. Construct new eight storey office
building including plant platform fronting Esplanade and La Rue des Mielles. Construction of
basement car park. Model Available.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:
The proposal for 17 private off street car parking spaces meets the current policy of car
reduction for commuters and encourages alternative modes of transport – this provision is
therefore considered acceptable.

The proposal to install bicycle racks for up to 40 is supported as is the aim to achieve 5%
cyclist mode share. However, as this site is immediately adjacent to the main east/west
cycle track the Parish believe that the development could sustain a greater percentage
mode share and the applicant is requested to consider increasing the facility for private
secure bicycle parking.
161/11 - ANN STREET
BREWERY, ANN
STREET, ST HELIER

It is noted that refuse storage will be in the basement with bins being brought to street
level on collection day. Whilst this is entirely practical, the storage of a large number of
eurobins adjacent to Rue des Mielles requires careful design and should be developed
with the Parish Refuse Department prior to the final design of the scheme being approved
by the Planning Department. A detailed refuse strategy which seeks to maximise
separation, recycling and re-use should be developed in conjunction with the Parish.

The vehicular entrance/exit to Rue des Mielles achieves an acceptable 30 metre vision line
to oncoming traffic but the structure to the left hand side of the ramp when exiting prevents
adequate pedestrian vision and should be improved.

Whilst the initiative to reduce delivery and service trips is welcomed it should be
recognised that many aspects of the maintenance of building services will require
vehicular support. The development must incorporate adequate private off street facilities
to ensure that service and delivery vans do not have to park on the public highway.

It should be noted that no part of the structure whether below or above ground will be
permitted to encroach onto public land.

For a development of 9,000m2 the volume of foot traffic, both staff and visitor, in and out of
the development will be considerable with a large percentage crossing Castle Street to
access the town centre and return. It is requested that the applicant consider the funding
of pedestrian improvements to the Castle Street/Rue des Mielles junction, to be developed
in conjunction with the Parish and TTS.

Concern is raised over the loss of both granite façade gables which document past history
and architecture of the area. The Committee express the view that they would prefer to
see both retained.
P/2011/0685
Ann Street Brewery, Ann Street, St Helier
Demolish existing brewery storage facilities and gantry bridging Ann Street. Construct 19 No
apartments.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:-
NEXT MEETING

The provision of one private off street parking space per unit is noted and accepted as is
the proposal for 14 bicycle stands.

Whilst the space set aside for the refuse bins is ideal being adjacent to the public highway
the exact layout and provision of bins should be discussed and developed with the Parish
Refuse Department. A refuse strategy to include separation, recycling and re-use should
be developed in conjunction with the Parish.

It is noted that the building will be set back from its site boundary leaving a margin which
will effectively be part of the footpath. This margin must either be delineated by some form
of flush marking or the land transferred to the Parish. This matter should be discussed in
more detail with the applicant.

The kerb and footpath must be lowered by the Parish of St Helier at the expense of the
applicant for the vehicular access and bin store.

Following completion of the development the Parish will require the whole of the footpath
to be reinstated in new red asphalt at cost to the contract.
The next meeting will take place on Wednesday 15 July 2011 at 9.00am in the Committee
Room, First Floor, Town Hall followed by the Visite du Branchage.