MINUTES OF THE ROADS COMMITTEE MEETING – A AGENDA
HELD IN THE FIRST FLOOR COMMITTEE ROOM AT THE TOWN HALL ON
WEDNESDAY, 6 MAY 2009 AT 9.30AM
PRESENT:
Connétable S Crowcroft
Mr P Pearce
Mr N Blake
Rev I MacFirbhisigh
Mr G Jennings
Mr J Wilding
The Very Rev Robert Key (Dean)
APOLOGIES;
Mr C Barton (Procureur du Bien Publique)
Mr P Freeley (Procureur du Bien Publique)
IN ATTENDANCE:
Mr P Noble (Director of Technical & Environmental Services)
Mr J Stievenard (Assistant Director of Technical & Environmental Services)
Mr R MacKenzie (Town Centre Manager)
OPEN MEETING
Having been previously circulated, the ‘A’ Agenda Minutes of the meeting held on 4 March 2009
were agreed.
The Committee expressed their sympathy to Mr Freeley on his recent family bereavement.
MATTERS ARISING
63/09 - EVENTS IN
PARADE GARDENS
64/09 - ANN COURT
AGENDA ITEMS
65/09 RECONSIDERATION OF
REQUEST FOR
DOCTORS’ PARKING
BAYS – PATRIOTIC
STREET/PLACE
Previous minute 31/09 refers
The Committee were advised that the food festival in Parade Gardens planned for early May
was not going ahead, but a similar event was planned as part of the Fête de St Helier.
Previous minute 28/09 refers
The Constable said that a survey carried out by the Town Residents’ Rejuvenation Association
had found that the least favoured temporary use of the site was for private parking but its use
for open space and play areas would be supported. The Constable said that the future use of
the site was still under review but if the outcome was for private parking he was prepared to
take a proposition to the States. The Roads Committee indicated that it would like to see public
(shoppers’) parking included in the temporary use.
Previous minute 10/09 refers
Drs King and Parris made representation following the Committee’s decision to refuse the
request for 6 on street doctors parking bays for the new medical practice. They explained to
the Committee that the spaces were required for on call doctors who would be on duty solely to
respond to emergency calls and as time was of the essence in these cases their close proximity
to the practice was essential, valuable time in responding to the call would be lost if the doctors
had to park some distance away. There would generally be a minimum of 4 doctors on call at
any one time and the additional 2 spaces were required for extra on call doctors and to ensure
the safety of female doctors when working out of hours. They pointed out that the
amalgamation of the 3 medical practices would free up 6 paycard spaces elsewhere in the
town. Mr Stievenard pointed out that designated doctors spaces do not have legal standing but
are usually treated with courtesy by the public. Dr King said that the practice had not been
given the opportunity to purchase any parking spaces in the new development as they had only
been made available to the residential properties but the practice had registered an interest
should any of them come up for sale. Mr Wilding asked if they had not been able to secure any
of the spaces on the ground floor of Patriotic Street car park and the doctors confirmed that this
approach had been unsuccessful. Mr Blake raised the issue of patients being dropped
off/picked up, the doctors acknowledged that they were also concerned about this as they
expected between 300 – 400 patients attending the surgery each day and felt that cars stopping
even briefly on Gloucester Street would cause traffic congestion. They hoped that Patriotic
Place could be utilised as this had been closed off by Dandara during the development works
and this did not appear to cause too many problems.
The Committee were sympathetic to the case put forward by the doctors and, apart from Mr
Jennings, voted to support the allocation of at least 4 spaces for the on call emergency doctors,
but felt that a holistic review of the parking in the streets surrounding the site was necessary
and Mr Stievenard agreed to carry out a review and bring the results to the next meeting.
66/09 - SCAFFOLDING
DURING SUMMER
EMBARGO PERIOD –
MUSEUM STREET
Previous minute 271/08 refers
A further request was received from Jersey Arts Centre to erect scaffolding from 13 July – 12
September during the summer embargo period to carry out essential work to their heating and
ventilation system. Mr Daniel Austin and Mr Steven Edwards from the Arts Centre made
representations to the Committee to support the written request. The Arts Centre had been
able to secure funding for the work to be carried out from Education, Sport & Culture. They felt
that this was the only window in their schedule as during this period they mainly held alfresco
performances and to close the centre at any other time of year would be financially
unsustainable. They did not feel that the Committee’s previous comment that Museum Street
was a major road in the town was justified and they felt that erection of the scaffolding would
not affect tourists and visitors. They pointed out that the scheduling for productions had to take
place 2 years in advance.
The Committee agreed to support the erection of the scaffolding for the 9 week period and Mr
Jennings asked that if possible the scaffolding should be visually enhanced.
67/09 - SCAFFOLDING
DURING SUMMER
EMBARGO PERIOD –
WHARF STREET
The Committee received a request to erect scaffolding for 4 – 6 weeks during the summer
embargo period at 4 Wharf Street in order to renew the roof. It was stated that it was essential
to carry out the work during the summer as the building would be open to the elements.
Mr Stievenard stated that Planning permission had not yet been received for the work, the
Constable then suggested that the applicant should attend the June Committee meeting to
present their case. The Committee were in agreement with this suggestion and hoped that
these works could be carried out in conjunction with other planned works in the proximity.
68/09 - DRUG AND
ALCOHOL USE IN
PARISH PARKS &
CEMETERIES
The Constable felt that consideration should be given to address the problems of drug and
alcohol use in Parish Parks & Cemeteries following many recent complaints and the accident to
a young boy who had pricked himself with a used needle.
Mr Peter Goguelin and Mr Tony Andrews from the Parish Parks and Gardens Department
attended the meeting and said that they were concerned about drug and alcohol use in the
Parks and Cemeteries, especially at those parks that had children’s playgrounds in them. They
had received reports of people being intimidated by language and behaviour and were now
refusing to use them. Mr Andrews said that glass and needles were littering the parks and the
public toilets were being used by drug users and needles were often found in them. He pointed
out that there were health and safety issues for Parish staff.
Mr John Hodge from the Shelter Trust and Rev Geoff Houghton from All Saints Church were
concerned that banning drugs and alcohol from the Parish parks would just move the problem
elsewhere. They were also keen to point out that users of drugs and alcohol were usually
separate groups of people and each needed a different approach. Mr Hodge and Rev
Houghton expressed concern about the availability of alcohol from some retail establishments
at very low prices and both were concerned that the needle exchange system appeared to have
broken down. They were both in favour of the employment of outreach workers and felt that
this was an important resource and that additional resources of this type could possibly be
funded by the Parish.
The Committee were in agreement that people should feel safe and comfortable when using the
Parish parks and did not want to move the problem from one location to another. Some
members felt that banning alcohol in the parks was not the solution as this would affect other
law abiding citizens eg people having picnics. There was some discussion whether disposal
bins for needles should be provided but some members felt this might attract users to these
sites. Mr MacKenzie said that a total ban on alcohol had worked in some cities ie Coventry and
that in Manchester a screened off area had been effective.
The Constable thanked all parties for their input and said any changes would be publicised.
69/09 - ILLEGAL
ENCROACHMENT –
CHARLES STREET
Previous minute 04/09 refers
The Committee were asked to consider the illegal encroachment onto the highway of an
outward opening fire exit door in Charles Street. Although the door had received Planning
permission the Committee felt that the door should be recessed further into the building and
were not prepared to licence the encroachment.
70/09 - OUTWARD
OPENING DOORS –
LEWIS STREET
The Committee were asked to consider the illegal encroachment onto the highway of a number
of outward opening doors at the new Kensington Place car park development.
The Committee decided that the wicket doors to the five garages on the western elevation of
the building were an unacceptable encroachment and should be changed so as to either open
inwards, or be set back so that when opening outwards they do so within the boundary of the
site.
The lobby door was felt to be particularly dangerous and it was felt that it could be restricted to
an inward opening door.
There was much discussion about the two doors adjacent to the projecting column however it
was felt that any form of encroachment would be a potential hazard, therefore the Committee
(apart from Mr Blake) agreed that these should also be adjusted so that, if they open outward,
the degree of projection should be no more than between 5 and 50mm as the architect had
stated was feasible.
71/09 - ALFRESCO
FACILITIES –KING
STREET
The Committee were asked to consider an application for alfresco facilities for Coffee Republic,
45 King Street. Mr Stievenard identified that at this point the precinct in front of the site was at
its narrowest over the whole length of King and Queen Street and was concerned about the
effect of funnelling pedestrians into narrow spaces.
The applicant had asked for a space of 1.80m out from the face of the building but the
Committee agreed to approve a reduced area 1.20m wide on a trial basis for the remainder of
2009, subject to approval from adjacent businesses.
72/09 - ALFRESCO
FACILITIES – LA MOTTE
STREET
The Committee were asked to consider an application for alfresco facilities at the S Bar on La
Motte Street. The alfresco facilities would involve the shared use of an unloading bay and had
already received Planning approval as part of the overall revamping of La Motte Street. It was
proposed that the unloading bay would be in operation until 11.00am daily.
The Committee agreed to the proposal provided that tables and chairs were not placed out until
space on the unloading bay was secured to ensure pedestrian access, and that adjacent
businesses were consulted by the applicant.
73/09 - ALFRESCO
FACILITIES – HAVRE DES
PAS
The Committee were asked to consider an application for extended alfresco facilities at the
Marina Hotel, Havre des Pas. An area directly in front of the hotel had last been licensed in
2001 but in addition to requesting a licence for this area the applicant requested extension of
this area by approximately 4 metres to incorporate an area in front of Allix’s Shipyard.
The Committee apart from Mr Pearce, Mr Blake and Mr Jennings, were supportive of the
application as long as agreement for the proposals could be reached with the Procureurs of the
Vingtaine de la Ville and with the stipulation that if the facility did proceed no sun umbrellas
should be used on this section.
74/09 - HIGHWAY
ENCROACHMENT – LE
BRETON LANE
Previous minute 06/09 refers
The Committee were asked to reconsider the previously agreed permanent encroachment of a
gutter and fascia assembly in Le Breton Lane. Upon further investigation the surveys found
that the existing fascia could not be removed as originally thought due to the location of part of
the structure of the building. This means that the overall projection from the building will be
430mm and as the current gutter extends to 400mm a further 30mm was not thought to be of
any detrimental affect, particularly at the height if 6.858m.
The Committee agreed to issue the appropriate licence under the Highways Law,
75/09 - PROPOSED
IMPROVEMENTS –
SEALE STREET
Previous minute 32/09 refers
Following the Committee’s decision to widen the footpath on both sides of Seale Street
representation was received from a resident of the Street querying why the pavement on the
Town Hall side should be increased more than on the residential side. It was agreed that as
future additional uses of the Town Hall indicated an increased footfall to the building the wider
pavement would be maintained on the Town Hall side.
Mr Noble said that TTS had indicated they were not in favour of the provision of a Jersey
crossing at the junction but the Committee agreed that TTS should be informed that they were
strongly in favour of a Jersey crossing with a continuous footway and if necessary the
Constable would take a proposition to the States to achieve this.
76/09 - OFFER OF LAND
FOR ROAD
IMPROVEMENT –
CORNER OF VAL
PLAISANT &
WINCHESTER STREET
The Committee were reminded that as part of an application for redevelopment of the building
on the corner of Val Plaisant and Winchester Street in 2006, approval was given subject to a
small triangle of land, 20 sq ft, being ceded to the Parish for road improvement. The Parish has
now received a formal offer from the developer to cede that land at a nominal cost of £10 on
condition that the Parish pay the legal fees for the transaction.
The Committee accepted the offer of the land and this decision would now need to be ratified at
a Parish Assembly.
77/09 - REMOVAL OF
ONE ON STREET
PARKING SPACE – RUE
DE TRACHY
The Committee were asked to consider representation from the proprietor of riding stables who
was having a great deal of difficulty entering and exiting their premises because of on street
parking in Rue de Trachy. The problem had been exacerbated since the recent closure of the
top end of Old Mont Cochon. The parking space causing the problems is situated between the
two access points to the riding stable and is often occupied by a high sided vehicle.
The Committee agreed that the single parking space is removed, subject to the usual on site
consultation notice, but consideration to be given to replacing this with motor cycle parking.
First Tower Park
Since the improvement of the playground facilities at First Tower Park a number of complaints
have been received with regard to the adequacy of parking, the main reason why the above
matter was brought before the Committee. Mr Noble suggested that a solution could be to
allow restricted parking by paycard until 6.00pm on the road that bisects the park. Some
members of the Committee were concerned about allowing cars into the park and also felt that
traffic calming measures may be necessary. Mr Stievenard pointed out that there was another
area that could be considered for parking at the bottom of the park adjacent to the Church
although this would require the removal of some flowerbeds, but this would need Planning
permission which would not be necessary with Mr Noble’s proposal.
The Committee agreed that T & E Services should draw up some plans for both parking
proposals, including a photo montage showing the visual impact to the park, and bring them
back to the June Committee meeting to allow members of the public opportunity to comment.
78/09 - SCENIC LANES
AWARDS 2009
The Committee were asked to nominate a lane in St Helier for this year’s awards. A number of
possible nominations were discussed and Mr Stievenard pointed out that a number of them did
not fit the criteria for assessment. Mr Jennings was keen to nominate an urban lane and the
Committee agreed to allow Mr Jennings to nominate a lane on behalf of the Committee and he
would notify Mr Stievenard in due course of his decision.
PLANNING APPLICATIONS
79/09 - 15 CHEAPSIDE, ST P/2009/0180
HELIER
15 Cheapside, St Helier
Change use of existing hairdressing salon to bakery and café.
The Parish’s concern over traffic related issues have not been suitably addressed by the
representation received. It is noted that the new bakery intends to develop its business to
supply other outlets in the Island, the result of which will be the necessity for increased vehicle
trips and additional loading time. The effective doubling of existing café space will likewise
increase vehicular activity in the area. The Parish can therefore not support the application.
The proposed refuse storage and collection arrangements are not considered satisfactory. The
proposed café and bakery will generate considerably more refuse than the current unit and it is
suggested that the unit cannot operate safely and satisfactorily without a large dedicated refuse
store, accessed directly from the highway. This store will need to allow for future separation
and recycling.
80/09 - FIELD 1278,
WARWICK FARM, LA
GRANDE ROUTE DE ST
JEAN, ST HELIER
P/2009/0656
Field 1278, Warwick Farm, La Grande Route de St Jean, St Helier
Create a temporary (3 years) public green waste reception facility at the south east side of the
site, widen existing access from La Grande Route de St Jean, landscape south of site and
relocate poly tunnel from south to north of site.
The Parish has no objection to this application.
81/09 - DE GRUCHY & CO
LTD, 8 – 14 NEW STREET,
ST HELIER, JE2 3TE
P/2009/0885
De Gruchy & Co Ltd, 8 – 14 New Street, St Helier, JE2 3TE
Demolish existing buildings. Construct new building to include basement, ground and first floor
retail, with 39 No residential apartments above. To include associated roof gardens and
balconies.
The Parish is supportive in principle of the proposed development subject to further discussion
and agreement regarding a suitable Refuse Strategy and the important aspect of serviceability
of the site when it is complete.
82/09 - 2 BEAULIEU
PARK, ST HELIER
P/2009/0672
2 Beaulieu Park, St Helier
Construct 2 storey extension to north elevation to create new dwelling.
The Roads Committee has no objections to the above submission as the proposed car parking
arrangement is accessed from a private road.
83/09 - HAUT DU MONT,
LA RUE DE LA
HAUTEUR, ST HELIER
P/2009/0705
Haut du Mont, La Rue de la Hauteur, St Helier
Alterations to vehicular access.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:Whilst the Parish support every effort to improve vehicular visibility at entrance/exits it is
requested that the applicant considers moving the entrance slightly further north so that a
minimum distance of 25m is achieved in both directions.
84/09 - SOMBRERO, LA
ROUTE DU FORT, ST
HELIER
P/2009/0717
Sombrero, La Route du Fort, St Helier
Convert 2 No bedsits into 1 No dwelling.
The Parish has no objection to the above submission.
85/09 - 2 HAUTBOIS
VILLAS, BELLOZANNE
ROAD, ST HELIER
P/2009/0748
2 Hautbois Villas, Bellozanne Road, St Helier
Remove existing roadside wall to form 1 No parking space. Replace part of roadside wall in
granite.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and gives approval
provided:
A condition is imposed that only one space is approved.

That the parking area is surfaced with concrete or tarmacadam and all surface water
generated on the area is to be disposed of within the site by soakaway or other
appropriate means.

The kerb and footpath must be lowered by the Parish of St Helier at the expense of the
applicant.

That a line of 50mm wide split blocks shall be laid flush at the junction between the private
land and the rear of the public footpath for the width of the site.

That everything within the visibility line is permanently kept below 900mm from footpath
level.

That the vehicle shall drive forward into and out of the space, and that no reversing onto
the carriageway will be permitted.
86/09 - THE GARAGE,
SANTA MONICA PARK,
BELLOZANNE VALLEY,
ST HELIER
P/2009/0721
The Garage, Santa Monica Park, Bellozanne Valley, St Helier
Demolish garage. Construct 1 No dwelling.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and gives approval
provided:The visibility splays shown on the site plan can be maintained across the south of the site to
achieve maximum height above road level of 900mm. The current plan and elevations do not
appear to accommodate this and should be altered accordingly.
87/09 - COMO, LA
VALLÉE DES VAUX, ST
HELIER
P/2009/0805
Como, La Vallée des Vaux, St Helier
Demolish existing two bedroom dwelling and construct 2 No one bedroom flats.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:Support cannot be given for the proposal as no provision has been made for private off street
car parking. There is no public on street parking in the vicinity and the construction of two units
of accommodation could result in illegal parking on Vallée des Vaux at an important clearway
location.
The applicant has not indicated how refuse will be stored and placed for collection.
88/09 - 4B THE QUEEN’S
ASSEMBLY ROOMS,
BELMONT PLACE, ST
HELIER
RW/2009/0664
4B The Queen’s Assembly Rooms, Belmont Place, St Helier
Replacement windows.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and gives approval
provided:That any windows bordering the Public Road or Footpath shall be of a type whose opening
lights do not open beyond the face of the building.
89/09 - JERSEY
BREWERY SITE, ANN
STREET, ST HELIER
P/2009/0655
Jersey Brewery Site, Ann Street, St Helier
Part demolish existing brewery buildings. Provide pedestrian access to car park.
The Parish has no objection to the above submission.
90/09 - JOINERY
WORKSHOP, JANVRIN
ROAD, ST HELIER
P/2009/0659
Joinery Workshop, Janvrin Road, St Helier
Demolish joinery workshop. Construct 2 No dwellings.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:Whilst support is given for the provision of one parking space for each unit it is felt imperative
that all vehicles reverse into the access lane so as to facilitate a forward motion on exiting. The
Parish cannot accept vehicles reversing onto the public highway.
The visibility lines shown on the plan are not dimensioned. The origination point of the vision
lines can be taken 2 metres back from the kerb edge, not 2.40 metres as shown and should
provide a minimum of 25 metres vision to the centre of the oncoming traffic lane. Any
obstructions within this line should be removed to a height of 900mm maximum above footpath
level.
The drawing should also show how pedestrian visibility lines can be achieved as per the
guidelines on the Transport & Technical Services document entitled ‘Roads Serving Small
Housing Developments’.
The applicant has not shown what facilities will be provided for the storage and collection of
refuse which should be adjacent to the public highway.
91/09 - 4 WHARF
STREET, ST HELIER
RW/2009/0833
4 Wharf Street, St Helier
Replacement windows and door.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and gives approval
provided:That any windows bordering the Public Road or Footpath shall be of a type whose opening
lights do not open beyond the face of the building.
92/09 - 10 – 12
ROSEVILLE STREET, ST
HELIER
P/2009/0883
10 – 12 Roseville Street, St Helier
Construct 3 storey extension to the rear.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and gives approval
provided:The applicant can include a suitable scheme for the storage and disposal of refuse to the
satisfaction of the Parish Refuse Department.
93/09 - 94 HALKETT
PLACE & 19 JAMES
STREET, ST HELIER
P/2009/0860
94 Halkett Place & 19 James Street, St Helier
Demolish existing commercial and warehouse premises. Construct new building to Halkett
Place comprising of ground floor offices and 4 No 2 bed and 4 No 1 bed flats on first, second
and third floors. Construct 6 No 3 bed townhouses to James Street with garage parking to
ground floor and rooftop amenity space.
The Roads Committee has examined plans for the above submission and comment as follows:-
NEXT MEETING
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The proposed refuse facilities, size and location are acceptable.

The car parking proposals for the six town houses are acceptable, although before the
Parish can give formal approval the applicant should show appropriate pedestrian and
vehicular visibility lines.

Concern is expressed that the four 2 bed and four 1 bed flats on the Halkett Place
elevation have no off street car parking provision therefore support for these units cannot
be given.

No part of the building fabric, including windows, doors and foundations can encroach over
the public highway.

The kerb and footpath must be lowered by the Parish of St Helier at the expense of the
applicant.

That a line of 50mm wide split blocks shall be laid flush at the junction between the private
land and the rear of the public footpath for the width of the site.

The Parish wish to take opportunity to improve pedestrian access in front of the site,
possibly by increasing footpath width on Halkett Place and would welcome a meeting with
the applicant to discuss how this might be taken forward.
The next meeting will take place on Wednesday 10 June 2009 at 2.00pm in the Committee
Room, Town Hall.