SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE
OCTOBER 2010
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
19 OCTOBER 2010
PITTSBURGH MARRIOTT CITY CENTER HOTEL
PITTSBURGH, PA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or
recommendation from the Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
TUESDAY, 19 OCTOBER 2010
1.0
INTRODUCTION & MEETING OVERVIEW
1.1
Call to Order/Quorum Check
Eric Jacklin, Supplier Support Committee Leadership Team (SSC LT) Chairperson, called
the meeting to order and a quorum was established with the following representatives in
attendance.
Supplier Support Committee Leadership Team (SSC LT) Members Present
Stephane
Chaumeil
UITS-Gallion
Suzanna
DeMoss
Advance Chemistry & Technology
Sarah
Fuqua
Kearfott Corporation-MSD
Eric
Jacklin
F.M. Callahan & Son, Inc.
Dave
Jones
Nex-Tech Processing
David
Michaud
Fountain Plating Co.
Yoshiomi
Sukesada
Asahi Kinzoku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
Additional Suppliers Present
Roy
Adkins
Specialty Steel Treating, Inc.
Abdul
Admani
Arrow Lear IL
Bob
Akin
Quality Heat Treating
Frank
Anderson
The M &P Lab
Dan
Antos
Canton Drop Forge
Leandro
Aparicio
Advanced Coating Techniques
Tomohiko
Ashikaga
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Andy
Bakewell
EM Inspection Co
Corwyn
Berger
Exova, Inc.
Mario
Bianchi
Bytest
David
Bowies
Pressure Technology
Griff
Braddock
Braddock Metallurgical
Mike
Brandt
Alcoa
Mark
Brown
Braddock Metallurgical
Peter
Buzby
PST-Compton
Eric
Carlson
Hytek Finishes
Wolfgang
Casta
Shellcast Foundries Inc.
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Richard
Chmielewski
Barden Corp.
Yongho
Cho
Avibank Mfg.
Delbert
Clubine
Advanced Heat Treat Corp.
Jerry
Colombo
Precise Machining & Mfg.
Paul
Comer
Graphic Plc
Charles
Costello
Sum-Glo Plating Co.
Deena
Crossmore
IMR Test Labs
Larry
Culbertson
JMI
Jim
Cummings
Metal Finishing Company Diversified Services Inc.
Robert
Custer
AAA Plating & Inspection
Warren
De Cuir
Lisi Aerospace
Rachel
DeSimone
American Tinning & Galvanizing Co.
Rich
Drinker
SPS Technologies
Craig
Dugan
Burnham Composite Structures
Thomas
Dulude
PTI Industries Inc.
Roger
Dunn
Bodycote
Walter
Echols
Aero Metal Finishing
John
Edwards
Edwards Services
Bryan
Engel
ESCO TT Syracuse
David
Eshleman
The Young Engineers
Dawn
Fechtel
Metaltest, Inc.
William
Ferris
Tech Metals Inc
Bob
Ferry
FPM Heat Treating
Kay
Fisher
Bohler Edelstahl GMBH & Co KG
Gary
Fox
Anodyne Inc
Gary
Fox
Anodyne
Debbie
Frick
Sherry Laboratories
Steve
Ganske
Precise Machining
Steve
Ganske
Precise Machining
Michael
Gaspers
FPM Heat Treating
Ronald
Geer
SPS Technologies
George
Gieger
Braddock Metallurgical
Hemendra
Gohil
CJZ Inc.
Stephan
Greimers
Thyssen Krupp VDM
Gerard
Hab
G. Cotter Enterprises, Inc.
Dale
Harmon
Cincinnati Thermal Spray
Jonathan
Hebben
Ducommun Aero Structure
Bill
Heeter
Skills Inc.
Randy
Hite
RCC Structurals Inc.
Steve
Hutchinson
Braddock Metallurgical
William
Irwin
Praxair Surface Tech
Jennifer
James
Precision Tube Co.
James
Jenson
Moeller Mrg. Co.
Stephen
Johnson
GSC
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Corey
Judd
MTI
Kurt
Jungheim
Modern Drop Forge
Linda
Kenny
Scientific Control laboratories, Inc.
Chris
Kielb
Advanced Welding
Dave
Kimber
ATK
Terry
Labounty
Applied Engr.
Bob
Lehnen
Johanna
Lisa
Bodycote Thermal Processing
Continental Heat Treating
Quality Heat Treating
Valley Metal Treating
John
Lopez
EME Inc.
Don
Lowman
Continental Heat Treating
Julie
Mahan
Unison Engine Components Terre Haute
Patrick
Maksrpx
Praxair Surface Tech
Jim
Maloney
The Timken Co.
Rosa
Martin
Superior Plating
Giuseppe
Marzano
Haley Industries Inc.
Ishwar
Mathur
IEC-Electronics
Ishwar
Samson
Demissie
Mathur
IEC-Electronics
Mekuria
PFW Aerospace AG
Melinda
Advanced Welding
Simone
Mitton
MurphyFickenworth
Katsumi
Nagasaki
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Chris
Napoli
ATI Allegheny Ludlum
Jesse
Norris
Stack Metallurgical
Art
Onaitis
Precision Tube Co.
Jacob
Padrul
Alcan
Rozalia
Papp
Air Liquid US LP
Tim
Paradis
Metallurgical Processing
John
Passmore
St. Louis Metallizing
Greg
Penny
Embee Inc.
Frank
Peszka
Laboratory Testing Inc.
Ken
Pham
Lisi Aerospace
Larry
Phipps
AFS
Bruce
Pleake
Hytek Finishes
Scott
Potts
WETSU Group, Inc.
Deb
Prabir
Peco Aerospace Co.
Robert
Pruitt
Dynamics Paint Solutions
Michael
Quann
Pacific Metallurgical Inc.
William
Rae
CAV Aerospace LTD
Sandeep
Rana
GF Aqiecharmilles
James
Rauckhorst
Tensile Testing Metallurgical Laboratory
James
Rauckhorst
Tensile Testing Metallurgical Laboratory
Martin
Reicher
Bohler Forging
Chrome Plus International
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Barry
Reid
Shur-Lok Co.
Catherine
Renfer
ESCO Turbine Tech Syracuse
Jim
Ringer
Tech Met Inc.
Dale
Roberts
Praxair Surface Tech
Glen
Rudd
Braddock Metallurgical
Chris
Ruppel
Special Metals
Mike
Schleckman
Voss Industries
Carol
Schmidt
Ladish Forging
Rick
Scott
RTI
Dave
Serbousek
Olympic Scientific
Toshiyuki
Serizawa
IHI Corp.
Ray
Serrato
Valley Metal Treating
Steve
Shea
Scarrott Metallurgical Co.
Stu
Sherman
Metallurgical Processing Inc.
Tetyana
Shmyreva
Praxair Surface Tech
John
Shue
Modern Drop Forge Co.
Stephen
Simacek
Hytek Finishes
Deepak
Singhal
Industrial Tectonics Bearings
Greg
Smotherman Jr.
Ozark Mountain Technologies
Greg
Smotherman Sr.
Ozark Mountain Technologies
Michael
Snyder
Special Metals
Mike
Sparrow
Lite Metals Co.
Manfred
Stapgens
Sulzer Metco Inc.
Robert
Steffner
Graco Supply & Integrated Services
Jon
Steltenpohl
Paulo Products
Ron
Stewart
Ellison Surface Technologies
Dawn
Stokes
PTI Industries Inc.
Gigi
Streeter
Barnes Aerospace
Bill
Strong
Epner Technology
Gary
Thomas
Alexco
John
Thomas
Timet
Gary
Thompson
Darchem Engineering LTD
Robert
Thompson
Steel Treaters
Mark
Tierney
Laboratory Testing, Inc.
Rao
Tipirneni
Long Island Testing Labs
Jennifer
Tret
Sherry Laboratories
Deborah
True
Praxair Surface Tech
Junji
Tsuji
IHI Co.
Jim
Tuminello
Tech Met Inc.
Natia
Turmanidze
Lisi Aerospace
Paul
Vegiard
CCPI
Tim
Voeller
Logic PD
Jerry
Wahlin
AAA Plating & Inspection Inc.
Richard
Walker
Pressure Technology of Ohio
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Larry
Walker
Machine Specialties
Edward
Warter
Carmel Forge Ltd.
David
Watters
Special Metals
Wilfried
Weber
PFW Aerospace AG
Ilene
Weisberg
Allen Aircraft Products
Keith
Whiddon
Canton Drop Forge
Terrance
White
Special Metals Corp
Bryon
White
Stork MMA
Gary
White
Orbit Ind.
Chris
Wiebe
Project Manufacturing
Michael
Wolf
Finishing Professional
Jason
Wright
Metals Technology Inc.
Brian
Yazumbek
Modern Drop Forge Co.
Joelie
Zak
Scientific Control Laboratories, Inc.
Subscriber Members Present
Doug
Billings
Parker Hannifin
Jacob
Milo
Israel Aerospace Industries
Mark
Nigels
Parker Hannifin
Uri
Sol
Israel Aerospace Industries
Gary
Wallace
Parker Aerospace
Performance Review Institute (PRI) Staff Present
Jim
Borczyk
PRI
Phylis
Logan
PRI
Joe
Pinto
PRI
Brett
Pollock
PRI
Lisa
Shultz
PRI
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE
OCTOBER 2010
1.2
Antitrust and Nadcap Personal Code of Ethics & Conflict of Interest
Eric Jacklin reviewed the Antitrust and Nadcap Personal Code of Ethics & Conflict of Interest
statements in the Attendees Guide.
1.3
Introductions of Supplier Support Committee Leadership Team & Supplier Support
Committee Task Group Representatives
Supplier Support Committee Leadership Team members and Task Group Representatives
were introduced. Joe Pinto (PRI) was introduced and welcomed the participants to the
Supplier Support Committee (SSC) meeting.
1.4
Introductions of First Time Nadcap Meeting Participants
First time meeting attendees were recognized.
1.5
Routing of Attendance List
The sign-in sheets were routed.
1.4
Approval of Minutes from Previous Meeting
The SSC minutes from the June 22, 2010 meeting in Singapore were approved as written. In
addition, the SSC minutes from the February 23, 2010 meeting in Rome, Italy were approved
as written.
SSC Introduction.pdf
2.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE MEETING PURPOSE & RULES
Stephane Chaumeil reviewed the purpose of the SSC meeting and the governing rules of
conduct.
SSC Meeting
Rules-Oct. 2010.pdf
3.0
BREAK-OUT TOPICS
Eric Jacklin introduced the following four (4) break-out topics: Flow Down, Redundant
Audits, Survey 2011-What questions do you want included & What should the SSC work
on. He then instructed each participant to choose a topic (of which interested them) and
to join the discussion in the applicable room.
SSC Break Out
Topics.pdf
Each group had 20 minutes to discuss their specific topic. They then reconvened and
each group gave a report out (as per below).
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3.1
Topic: Flow Down (Facilitators: Dave Michaud/Yoshiomi Sukesada; Note-Taker: William
Rae)
William Rae gave a verbal report out on the following areas that were discussed:
3.2
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Suppliers are asked to supply processors, but do not have access to the prime portals
specifications. The purchase system relies on the prime specification portal which
should be flowed down to the supplier. This is difficult to do if you can’t access the
prime portal.
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Suppliers are responsible for all revisions of specifications and must keep them up to
date which includes revision control. If there is a doubt about the revision, then the
suppliers must ask the Prime. The primes must give access to the person or company
who needs the relevant specification.
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Heat Treatment suppliers: They know who to ask, as far as their primes are
concerned but, when they ask their direct customers who are Tier 1 or Tier 2 or Tier 3
suppliers and not conversant with technical queries or who to contact reference their
customers, they don’t always know who to ask, so some training to suppliers to inform
them how and who to ask for the information would be good. We need to get the Tier
1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 suppliers to work together.
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Primes mandate that we must receive purchase order with the revision
number. Normally it is generic. Some suppliers think this purchase order should
quote revision number.
Topic: Redundant Audits (Facilitator: Jim Ringer; Note-Taker: Michael Brandt)
Jim Ringer reported the group discussed the definition of redundant audits, how many
suppliers felt they had a redundant audit, which primes were conducting the audits & what
recourse was available. See attached presentation for additional details.
SSC-team B redundant audits.pdf
3.3
Topic: Survey 2011-What questions do you want included? (Facilitator: Dave Jones;
Note-Taker: Suzanna DeMoss)
Suzanna DeMoss gave a verbal report out on the following areas that were discussed:
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Demographics: People discussed the value of being able to analyze responses based
on factors such as: When was your last audit?, Are you on merit?, What is your
commodity?, What is your sector?, Do you attend the Nadcap meetings?, How many
years in Nadcap?
It is expected that the pattern of responses would vary based on the group. This could
help us with education or training efforts as well as identify potential problem areas.
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Style of questions: Some people felt that the questions were not designed to get at
the "meat" of the problems because of their formal style -- they weren't written in the
way that people talk or that would make them talk.
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Actual questions: Some people suggested open-ended questions, like "What things
were frustrating about your last audit?"; others wanted simple but frank questions like
the following such as: "Do you feel that the checklists are asking questions that are
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not in specifications or Prime-driven?", "Do you feel audit findings are being written
more for the Staff Engineer than the supplier?", "Do you feel that there is abuse by a
Prime, Staff Engineer, or TG Chair?", "Do you feel that someone is pushing their own
(or their company's) agenda at the expense of the group?"
3.4
Topic: What should the SSC work on? (Facilitator: Sarah Fuqua; Note-Taker:
Stephane Chaumeil)
Stephane Chaumeil gave a verbal report out on the following areas that were discussed:
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Improve SSC communication and visibility: people want to know what the SSC is
doing.
Standardization seems to cause problems to suppliers that are involved in different
commodities (i.e. NonDestructive Testing, Chemical Processing). It seems that rules
are not the same (i.e. some handbooks are private, while others are public).
Document control on PRI. (i.e. Suppliers are not sure if they have the latest
information and they would appreciate flow down on new documents).
Clarification of Nadcap Operating Procedures (NOP)/Nadcap Internal Procedures
(NIP). Some people find the Nadcap procedures hard to understand and where they
are located.
Satellite audits are still a problem, even if it's not for a big group; it seems that the
problem is vivid. Rules are stringent and prevent development of some suppliers.
Auditors are a problem. Training in software, auditing skills is not verified/evaluated,
evaluation just before the closing is ineffective. Unable to participate to auditor
training and having access to the same information the auditors have.
Supplier representative on the Board.
Teleconference is requested for Nadcap meetings; even if payment is needed (i.e.
concern with expenses of flying abroad).
Voting rules during Nadcap meetings are not clear. An accredited supplier should
have an automatic voting clearance.
Paper certificates with expiration dates are requested. Some primes and/or sub tiers
do not want/don't have access to eAuditNet to verify the certificate.
PRI Oversight audit involvement by suppliers.
Nadcap style of Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA) format to NCR. Some noticed
that's only with Nadcap audit that they have an ‘Insufficient Answer’ or ‘Please clarify’
communication with the Staff Engineer.
It seems that some Task Groups (i.e. Heat Treating) continue to add requirements that
are not Subscriber specifications.
Some auditors prefer to put a Major NCR even if it's not major because they are
"afraid" of Staff Engineer changing their NCR and having a “bad” evaluation.
ACTION ITEM: Lisa Shultz (PRI) to capture the action items on the ‘Rolling Action Item List’
(RAIL) and post on the PRI Supplier Support Committee webpage. (Due Date: 15-Nov-10)
4.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT METRICS
Sarah Fuqua gave an update on the supplier support committee metrics. The following
metrics are tracked:
 Annual comparison of the number of allowed supplier votes and the actual
supplier votes cast (online ballots only).
 SSC LT attendance at SSC LT meetings (dated from introduction of new
team).
 Supplier Support Committee meeting attendance.
 Supplier Tutorial attendance.
Please see the presentation below for details.
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SSC Metrics-Oct.
2010.pdf
5.0
2011 SUPPLIER SURVEY
Dave Jones announced that he will be the Chairperson for the 2011 Supplier Survey. He
explained that the survey will be sent out to all Nadcap suppliers.
If you would like to participate on the 2011 supplier survey team, please contact Dave
Jones at Dave.Jones@nex-techaerospace.com. A suggestion was made that the team
involved in the survey, also be involved in the data analysis.
6.0
NEW BUSINESS
6.1
IMPROVEMENT/SUPPORT FROM THE AEROSPACE QUALITY SYSTEMS (AQS)
TASK GROUP
Eric Jacklin reviewed the attached questions, which were a request from the Aerospace
Quality Systems (AQS) Task Group. He also noted that paper copies were available for
suppliers to complete and submit back in at the end of the meeting.
AQS Questions.pdf
6.2
PRI WEBSITE-SUPPLIER SUPPORT PAGE
Stephane Chaumeil posed the following questions to the SSC attendees (see attached
presentation for details). A majority of the suppliers at the meeting verbally answered the
questions as follows:
 Question: Did you know the SSC has a web page on PRI website? Answer: No
 Question: Do you use SSC page to find information about Nadcap? Answer: No
 Question: Do you think the SSC can improve the communication
and/or action by changing the website?
Answer: Unknown
 Question: What information would you like to find on this website? Answer: Unknown
PRI Website (SSC
Page).pdf
ACTION ITEM: Eric Jacklin to create a sub-team to evaluate the SSC web page on the PRI
website and provide recommendations on how to improve. (Due Date: 01-Dec-10)
6.3
ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS
No new business was discussed at this time.
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7.0
MEETING EVALUATION
Dave Jones facilitated the meeting evaluation. Attached are the results.
Nadcap Meeting
Facilitation Feedback-Oct 2010.pdf
8.0
MEETING ADJOURNMENT
Eric Jacklin thanked the attendees for their participation and the meeting was adjourned.
Minutes Prepared by:
Lisa Shultz, PRI Staff
lisashultz@sae.org