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WEDNESDAY, 8 MAY 2002
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PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
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The House met at 15:03.
The Speaker took the Chair and requested members to observe
a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.
ANNOUNCEMENTS,
TABLINGS
AND
COMMITTEE
REPORTS
-
see
col
000.
QUESTIONS AND REPLIES - see that book.
NOTICES OF MOTION
Ms M A MOLEBATSI: Madam Speaker, I shall move on behalf of
the ANC:
That the House -
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(1) notes that the SABC 3's Special Assignment reported a
financial transaction involving trade in human body
parts which occurs in Johannesburg and other parts of
the country;
(2) wishes to express its disgust at and condemnation of
this evil and barbaric practice; and
(3) calls on the people to co-operate with the police to
wipe
out
this
inhumane
practice
and
to
bring
the
perpetrators to book.
[Applause.]
Mev P W CUPIDO: Voorsitter, ek gee hiermee kennis dat ek
sal voorstel:
Dat die Huis -
(1) met
skok
en
verontwaardiging
kennis
neem
van
die
venynige aanval deur mnr Harold Baxter, 'n ANC-lid
van
Worcester,
Vrouevereniging;
op
die
Afrikaanse
Christelike
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(2) verder kennis neem dat alhoewel die ACVV Afrikaans en
Christelik georiënteerd is, dit geen persoon op grond
van taal, geloof of kleur wegwys nie;
(3) ook kennis neem dat die bestuurskomitee van die ACVV
verteenwoordigend
Wes-Kaap
is
welsynsdienste
en
aan
van
alle
oor
Suid-Afrikaners
die
voorheen
afgelope
benadeelde
in
40
die
jaar
gemeenskappe
lewer; en
(4) . 'n beroep op die ANC doen om, as hulle ernstig is met
versoening, onverwyld die ACVV en die Afrikaanse
kerkgemeenskap onvoorwaardelik om verskoning te vra
en die betrokke raadslid te dissiplineer.
(Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.)
[Mrs P W CUPIDO: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that I
shall move:
That the House -
(1) notes with shock and indignation the vicious attack
by Mr Harold Baxter, an ANC councillor of Worcester,
on the Afrikaanse Christelike Vrouevereniging;
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(2) further notes that, although the ACVV is Afrikaans
and Christian orientated, it does not turn away any
person based on language, religion or colour;
(3) also notes that the management committee of the ACVV
is representative of all South Africans in the
Western Cape and for the past 40 years has been
delivering welfare services to previously
disadvantaged communities; and
(4) appeals to the ANC, if they are serious about
reconciliation, to apologise immediately and
unconditionally to the ACVV and the Afrikaans church
community and to discipline the councillor in
question.]
Mr J H SLABBERT: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that on
the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of
the IFP:
That the House -
(1) applauds the combined effort of the Scorpions, police
and special forensic squad in contemplating to crack
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down on lawyers, doctors, some members of the police
and tow-truck drivers who defraud the Road Accident
Fund to the tune of R300 million a year;
(2) is shocked by the abuse of passenger patients who are
rushed to hand over their power of attorney and made
to sign false Road Accident Fund claim forms;
(3) notes that the revenue of this fund is generated from
innocent road users who consciously believe that such
a fund is for a good cause, yet it falls prey to
criminal elements; and
(4) wishes the team investigating the scam every possible
success in their task.
Mrs Z A KOTA: Chairperson, I shall move on behalf of the
ANC:
That the House -
(1) notes the reports on the burning of a residential
building
in Johannesburg and the subsequent
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clampdown on slumlords who let office buildings for
residential purposes by the city council;
(2) believes that a lack of adequate housing in our
cities provides opportunities for unscrupulous
landlords to
exploit the poor for self-enrichment
through illegal means in most instances;
(3) calls on law-enforcement agencies to seek and arrest
these slumlords in Johannesburg and wherever else in
the country where there are similar transgressions;
(4) appeals to the public to co-operate with these law
enforcers in bringing the perpetrators to book; and
(5) calls upon local councils to develop policies and
mechanisms to ensure that blocks of flats in the
inner cities are safe and sufficiently habitable.
[Applause.]
Dr P J RABIE: Chairman, I hereby give notice that I shall
move on behalf of the New NP:
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That the House notes that -
(1) the New NP encourages the fiscal discipline exercised
by the South African Government and considers it a
key component in the positive sentiment, which
contributes a great deal to the current resurgence of
the rand/dollar exchange rate, presently publicised
towards South Africa;
(2) to date the rand proved to be the best performing
currency over the past six months against the dollar,
appreciating against the dollar to a five-month best
level on 6 May 2002, ie R10,2944; and
(3) coupled with an increase in Sacob's business
confidence index, there is definitely a positive
outlook for future economic growth.
[Applause.]
Mr S ABRAM: Chair, I give notice that I shall move at the
next sitting of the House:
That the House -
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(1) notes the astronomical rise in food and maize prices
in famine-hit Southern Africa;
(2) further notes the recent report by the Food and
Agriculture Organisation, a United Nations Agency,
which
identified Zimbabwe and Zambia as the worst-
hit countries;
(3) expresses its deep concern that we only have maize
supplies sufficient for three months' domestic
consumption;
(4) calls on all respective parties to urgently extend a
helping hand to each other during the upcoming
meeting between SA, its neighbouring countries and
the UN agencies in order to minimise both short-term
and long-term effects of starvation; and
(5) calls on the Government to consider measures
contributing to affordable maize products for our
nation.
Ms M M SOTYU: Chair, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
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That the House -
(1) notes the Deloitte and Touche report that whitecollar crime, dominated by money laundering, costs
South Africa between R35 and R40 billion in 1996;
(2) reiterates the Government's commitment to stamp out
crime and corruption; and
(3) calls on the people to work with the law-enforcement
officers to stamp out crime and corruption.
[Applause.]
Mr I S MFUNDISI: Chair, I give notice that I shall move on
behalf of the UCDP:
That the House -
(1) urges its members to gird their loins in preparation
for the World Summit on Sustainable Development due
to be held in Johannesburg later this year;
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(2) wakes up to the fact that the United Nations agencies
are not keen to make technical support available and
that South Africa and other developing nations should
not tire of lobbying for support for the solution of
socioeconomic problems such as the eradication of
poverty and the provision of sanitation within the
region;
(3) challenges the international community not to confine
the summit to issues around the environment only; and
(4) calls on other African countries, in the spirit of
self-reliance, or Vukuzenzele, to buy into this
venture as a way leading to the envisaged African
Union.
Dr S E M PHEKO: Chairman, I give notice that at the next
sitting of the House I shall move:
That the House -
(1) notes that -
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(a) the Kingdom of Lesotho will hold national
elections on 25 May 2002;
(b) several parties are taking part in these
elections under a new constitution which provides
for 80 constituency representatives and 40
proportional seats; and
(c) the PAC has visited all major political parties
in Lesotho, who all hold that South Africa is
their most important neighbour and must play an
impartial role so that Lesotho's politics can
stabilise their country, especially following the
military intervention of SADC led by South
Africa; and
(2) therefore believes that in order for our country to
be seen not to be interfering in the internal affairs
of Lesotho, all reported visits to Lesotho by the
Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism, the
Minister of Water Affairs and Forestry and the
Minister of Foreign Affairs be postponed until after
the Lesotho elections.
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Mr L V J NGCULU: Chairperson, I shall move on behalf of the
ANC:
That the House -
(1) notes with concern and disapproval the incident of a
pregnant woman who was forced to give birth to her
baby after being denied attention at a hospital in
Khayelitsha;
(2) believes that all South Africans have a
constitutional right to quality health care and human
dignity;
(3) further believes that all civil servants have an
obligation to uphold the principle of Batho Pele and
that acts of this nature diminish the image of the
noble nursing profession in the eyes of the public;
(4) commends the police for the assistance rendered to
the mother and the baby; and
(5) condemns without reservation all those responsible
for this inhumane act.
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[Applause.]
Mnr A J BOTHA: Ek gee hiermee kennis dat ek op die volgende
sittingsdag sal voorstel:
Dat die Huis:
(1) kennis neem van die ANC se siniese plan om vakante
ambassadeursposte, sonder beginsel of meriete, aan te
wend as 'n vangnet vir Nuwe NP-lede in die Parlement;
(2) sy afkeur duidelik uitspreek oor die beskadiging van
Suid-Afrika se buitelandse beeld deur hierdie
opportunistiese misbruik en die najaag van matelose
magshonger;
(3) daarop let dat die spitsberaad oor morele regenerasie
'n skandalige vermorsing van openbare fondse was,
omdat die regerende party sy mag opportunisties
misbruik om verkose openbare verteenwoordigers om te
koop om hulle grondwetlike onderneming te verraai vir
persoonlike voordeel; en
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(4) die ANC aanmaan om nie Suid-Afrikaanse ambassades en
missies in te rig net vir meer sitplekke op die
soustrein vir daardie mense nie.
[Tussenwerpsels.] (Translation of Afrikaans notice of
motion follows.)
[Mr A J BOTHA: I hereby give notice that on the next
sitting day I shall move:
That the House:
(1) notes the ANC's cynical plan to utilise vacant
ambassadorial posts, without principle or merit, as a
net with which to catch New NP members in Parliament;
(2) clearly expresses its censure about the damaging of
South Africa's image abroad by this opportunistic
abuse and the pursuit of an excessive appetite for
power;
(3) notes that the summit on moral regeneration was a
shameful waste of public funds, because the governing
party is opportunistically abusing its power to bribe
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elected public representatives to betray their
constitutional undertaking for personal gain; and
(4) urges the ANC not to equip South African embassies
and missions simply for more seats on the gravy train
for those people.
[Interjections.]]
Mr V B NDLOVU: Chair, I hereby give notice that on the next
sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the IFP:
That the House -
(1) acknowledges with satisfaction that the National
Lottery Fund is to increase the funding of social
projects to R1,2 billion; and
(2) thanks the Minister of Trade and Industry and also
expresses the hope that this House will be kept
informed as to how and to whom these funds are
allocated.
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Mr G G OLIPHANT: Chair, I give notice that on the next
siting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
That the House –
(1) notes that Minister of Minerals and Energy, the hon
Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, announced that the liquid and
fuels industry performance in achieving black
economic development targets will be subjected to a
system of recognition, incentives and penalties;
(2) believes that this reflects commitment by the
Government to transform this sector to be
representative of the country's demographics;
(3) welcomes the announcement by the Minister; and
(4) calls on all stakeholders to co-operate with the
Government in realising the objectives of black
economic empowerment in this sector.
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! It seems to me
that
we
have
time
[Interjections.]
for
two
more
motions
-
am
I
right?
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Mnr J W LE ROUX: Voorsitter, ek gee hiermee kennis dat ek
op die volgende sittingsdag sal voorstel:
Dat die Huis -
(1) uiters besorg is oor die hoë vlakke van besoedeling
in die algemeen en plastieksakbesoedeling in die
besonder;
(2) alle pogings sal steun om plastieksakbesoedeling teen
te werk;
(3) opvoeding, hersirkulering en effektiewe afvalbestuur
aanmoedig om deel te vorm van die oplossing vir
hierdie ernstige probleem;
(4) dit verblydend vind dat die Regering wéér met die
vervaardigers en gebruikers van dun plastieksakke in
gesprek tree; en
(5) . die vasstelling van 'n wen-wen-oplossing aanmoedig
wat tot gevolg sal hê dat plastieksakbesoedeling
gestaak word en dat die vervaardigingsektor as
werkverskaffer nie ernstig benadeel word nie.
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(Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.)
[Mr J W LE ROUX: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that on
the next sitting day of the House I shall move:
That the House -
(1) is extremely concerned at the high levels of
pollution in general and plastic bag pollution in
particular;
(2) will support all efforts to counter plastic bag
pollution;
(3) encourages education, recycling and effective waste
management to form part of the solution to this
serious problem;
(4) finds it heartening that the Government is once again
engaged in talks with the producers and consumers of
thin plastic bags; and
(5) encourages the establishment of a win-win solution
which will result in an end to plastic bag pollution
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without the production sector as employer being
seriously prejudiced.]
Prof L M MBADI: Chair, I hereby give notice that at the
next sitting of the House I will move on behalf of the UDM:
That the House -
(1) notes the continuing struggle to survive by Noupoort
patients following another report that three patients
were brutally assaulted;
(2) supports the Minister of Social Development in his
calls to close down this institution;
(3) expresses the hope that the Minister will effectively
deal with similar institutions which violate basic
human rights; and
(4) further calls on the Government to protect the human
rights of all citizens of this country to demonstrate
that never again will we tolerate human rights abuse
in this country, no matter what the circumstances.
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[Applause.]
Miss M N BUTHELEZI: Chair, I give notice that on the next
sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
That the House –
(1) notes that:
(a) Minister
Phumzile
comprehensive
inspectorate
Mlambo
Ngcuka
mining
review
throughout
2002
by
to
announced
the
curb
a
mine
mining
accidents; and
(b) whilst the loss of lives in South Africa's mining
sector has been higher than in other major mining
areas of the world, the number of deaths in South
Africa's mining industry has declined since the
introduction of the Mine Health and Safety Act of
1996;
(2) welcomes the announcement made by the Minister; and
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(3) calls on mine bosses to co-operate with the
Government to ensure that mines are safe workplaces
for workers.
[Applause.]
Mnr C H F GREYLING: Mnr die Voorsitter, ek wil net weet of
dit in orde en parlementêr is vir 'n lid van hierdie Raad
om te sê dat ander lede van hierdie Raad omgekoop is om in
sekere poste te dien - soos wat die agb Andries Botha gesê
het.
Mnr D V BLOEM: Dis 'n skande, Andries! Skande! (Translation
of Afrikaans paragraphs follows.)
[Mr C H F GREYLING: Chairperson, I would just like to know
whether it is in order and parliamentary for a member of
this House to say that other members of this House were
bribed to serve in certain positions - as the hon Andries
Botha said.
Mr D V BLOEM: It is a disgrace, Andries! A disgrace!]
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The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! As far as we
can make out, the reference was to political parties. But I
will double-check the Hansard to see whether any reference
was made to any individual member of this House.
If the remark was made to the member, then that would be
unacceptable and unparliamentary. But if it was a reference
to the political party as a whole, then that will pass
muster. Let me have a look at the Hansard and come back to
you on that.
AIRPLANE CRASH IN NIGERIA
(Draft Resolution)
The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Chairperson, I
move without notice:
That the House -
(1) notes with sadness the tragic airplane crash in Kano,
Nigeria, on Sunday, 5 May 2002, which claimed 148
lives;
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(2) further
notes
that
amongst
the
casualties
was
Nigeria's Minister of Sport, Ishaya Mark Aku;
(3) mourns with the people of Nigeria; and
(4) sends
its
Parliament
heartfelt
and
the
condolences
people,
and
to
to
the
those
Nigerian
who
lost
loved ones in this tragedy.
Agreed to.
The House adjourned at 17:18.
__________
ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:
1.
The Speaker and the Chairperson:
The Minister of Health submitted the Wetsontwerp op die
Herroeping van die Wet op die Gesondheidskenkingsfonds
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[W
20
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-
2002]
(National
Assembly
-
sec
75)
to
the
Speaker and the Chairperson on 8 May 2002. This is the
official translation of the Health Donations Fund Act
Repeal Bill [B 20 - 2002] (National Assembly - sec 75),
which was introduced in the National Assembly by the
Minister on 29 April 2002.
National Assembly:
1.
The Speaker:
Adv S P Holomisa has been appointed as Chairperson of
the Joint Constitutional Review Committee with effect
from 8 May 2002.
Mr A C Nel has been appointed as Deputy Chief Whip of
the Majority Party with effect from 7 May 2002.
Mr L T Landers has been appointed as Chairperson of the
Joint
Standing
Committee
on
Ethics
Interests with effect from 8 May 2002.
TABLINGS:
and
Members'
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National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:
Papers:
1.
The Minister of Education:
Report of the Study Team on the Implementation of the
National Qualifications Framework.
2.
The Minister of Finance:
Annual Report and Financial Statements of the National
Development Agency for 2000-2001, including the Report
of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for
2000-2001 [RP 28-2002].
3.
The Minister of Labour:
Annual Report and Financial Statements of the Public
Service
Sector
2000-2001,
Education
including
the
and
Training
Financial
Authority
for
Statements
of
Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 20002001.