Fund Manager Interview Our investment manager interview for this issue is with John Brynjolfsson, Managing Director, portfolio manager and head of the $4 billion PIMCO Commodity Real Return Strategy Fund. KRA: John, that’s an interesting and lengthy name. Can you give us an overview of the fund? JB: Sure. The PIMCO Commodity Real Return Strategy Fund is an enhanced index fund focusing on commodities. It combines a position in commodities, typically through swap agreements, backed by a portfolio of inflation-indexed bonds and other securities. It takes an innovative approach to commodity index investing by combining active and passive management, and seeks to take advantage of PIMCO’s extensive experience managing both index-linked securities and inflation-indexed bonds. KRA: What index do you utilize? JB: While there are many published indices that broadly encompass the commodities markets, the one we utilize for our fund is the Dow Jones AIG Commodity Index. It attempts to capture the economic importance of various commodities by measuring trade-weighted volumes. So while oil is a big component, it does not dominate the index. Industrial metals, precious metals, corn, soybeans, pork bellies, and other commodities also make up the index, as well as crude oil, gasoline, etc. Our fund begins with exposure to this broad menu of commodities through total return swaps. KRA: Is it primarily for investors who feel optimistic about commodities? JB: As an asset class, commodities can be a good portfolio diversifier because they have a negative correlation to both equities and conventional bonds and a positive correlation to inflation. Potential investors should share that opinion and also recognize that commodities are relatively volatile. KRA: Do you lever the commodities? JB: We do not. If we are buying 1,000 barrels of oil using commodity futures or embedded within the index, we will buy back roughly $30-36,000 worth securities, meaning that although we’re using futures and swaps, it doesn’t represent a levered investment. All the same, oil and other commodity prices do fluctuate, roughly about the same as equities. The annualized volatility of the commodity index is in neighborhood of 14-20%, which is transmitted through to the fund’s volatility. With that as our primary investment exposure, we are left with the cash proceeds representing the actual assets of the fund. We could have put those proceeds into T-Bills as a way to back the commodity futures, but we chose TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protection Securities) because we believe they are a better vehicle. The TIPS portion of the portfolio is run much like PIMCO’s Real Return Bond Portfolio, that is, we buy a mixture of inflation-linked bond maturities in order to try to outperform a passive benchmark Treasury Inflation Index Bond while opportunistically using other types bonds in the portfolio as well. KRA: What percentage of the portfolio is typically in TIPS? Generally, about 80% of the portfolio is in TIPS but we have the flexibility to take that down if we get unduly pessimistic about the return outlook for TIPS and we can use other instruments, such as a small amount of emerging market bonds, high-yield corporate bonds, mortgages, floating rate corporate bonds or foreign government bonds as well. This is what’s called a “full discretion” fund, which means we try to implement as many of the PIMCO strategies as we can into the structure while focusing on 100% exposure to commodities within operational tolerances. KRA: Can you explain how the fund is managed both actively and passively? JB: Management is passive in that we do not actively select commodities. Our commodity exposure is fixed at index proportions and at 100% of the account’s market value. That does fluctuate from time to time due to subscription or redemption activity, and there may be some capital gains (or losses) associated with the inflation-linked bonds that could make the commodity exposure higher or lower than 100%. It’s rebalanced monthly for TIPS market fluctuations. So our inflation-linked benchmark is passive and that’s what we are striving to outperform with our TIPS portfolio. Management is active in that we can manage the duration of the TIPS to be longer or shorter than the benchmark. It is also active in that we can manage the curve structure of the TIPS. If we concentrate exposure in the intermediates, it’s called a bullet portfolio; if we disbursed the TIPS exposure into the short and long end wings, it’s called a barbell structure. Management is also active in that we can use a variety of securities in the portfolio to implement other fixed income strategies and even short or hedge interest rate exposure by either selling derivatives or using interest rate swaps within the portfolio. KRA: Were there other commodity indices you could have used as a benchmark? There is a Goldman Sachs Commodity Index, which is more energy-focused than the Dow Jones AIG. That can be good if energy is going up and during most normal periods because energy tends to have a lot of “roll-up”, that is, be backward dated so investors benefit from the dynamics of the futures market. The major advantage to using the DJ AIG index is it is more broadly diversified and so less volatile. That’s a significant benefit for many investors. KRA: How many assets do you manage in the fund? Growth in the fund has been rapid. We currently manage over $4 billion in assets. We have been very successful in terms of performance, particularly during the last six months as commodities have come to the forefront of the investment arena. KRA: What are the advantages of the fund versus other uncorrelated strategies? JB: Inflation-protected securities and inflation-linked bonds are compelling because they are contractually indexed to the CPI, which provides inflation protection. There is any number of ways to get exposure to commodities. You can buy equities related to commodities, such as shares of Homestake Mining, but there are several risks: too narrow a focus on just one commodity; the potential for certain economic factors related to that particular company but not to the market for that commodity may come into play; and the possibility that the company’s management may be very shrewd or inept, affecting the performance of that equity while having little or nothing to do with the underlying commodity. For example, a gold producer might hedge its profits by selling gold in the forward market, which means if the price of gold goes up, rather than profiting from it, the company will merely break even because it has already sold that gold at a predetermined forward price. Another possibility is to choose an actively managed commodity strategy, but that typically translates into merely buying into the success or failure of a given commodity, trading advisor or other individual or company engaged in the business. Depending on their particular business model or investment philosophy, a trading advisor may decide S&P futures or bond futures are a good instrument to hold. Those are both financial instruments which represent the opposite of what investors typically look for when they get into real assets or commodities, and there can be a lack of control, transparency or the potential for changing strategies. The index approach we take is to broadly expose the fund to all major commodities in relatively fixed proportions. We believe it’s the best means to get broad exposure to what’s happening in the commodity markets. When you combine that commodity strategy with a TIPS strategy, you get a one-two punch that will do very well in a reflationary environment or one where the Fed is relatively easy and inflation is grinding or even accelerating upward. If inflation was to fall or we were to go into a disinflationary or deflationary environment, I would not expect the fund to do well. Volatility is 15-20% because you have both commodities and inflation-indexed bonds, and the two could be additive. So we are not talking about volatility akin to a money market fund or even a bond fund, but more akin to an equity fund. My hope is the fund will tend to be negatively correlated with equities so that if equities go down, the fund would tend to go up. KRA: Do you think less sophisticated investors or those unfamiliar with TIPS and futures markets may shy away from a fund that can utilize derivatives? JB: It’s important that investors recognize there are different types of derivatives. Some are exotically-structured products designed principally to elude guidelines and restrictions, avoid taxes, or for other, similar purposes. Those products are frequently priced with a lot of slush for the structurer or issuer. That’s clearly not the type or derivative we’re talking about here. The other type of derivative is highly liquid, transparent, widely traded, and more generic in nature, such as interest rate swaps and the like. So we use this type of derivative to manage interest rate and curve exposure in our portfolios. It’s a way to get commodity exposure from the physical commodity market into the commodity futures market and ultimately, using a total return swap, into our client portfolios. . KRA: How do you find undervalued inflation-indexed securities? JB: What I can tell you is our strategy involves bottom-up securities selection and also top-down analysis, which helps us position the overall duration of the portfolio and curve structure to profit in the economic environment we foresee going forward. KRA: What type of investor do you look for? For investors primarily looking to minimize risk in their portfolio, I would suggest they allocate a significant portion into more conservative funds, such as a money market fund or even a real return bond fund. A commodities fund is more appropriate as “spice” in the mix. Whether that spice translates into a 2,3,4,5 or 10% allocation depends on the investor’s objectives and risk tolerance. If someone is a very sophisticated investor who is aggressively focused on a reflationary scenario, they may want as much as 20 or 30% in the position, but for the average investor, somewhere between 1 and 10% would be a normal operating range I think. I understand you typically recommend 5-7% for your clients, Karl, and that’s fine. I could suggest a similar strategy using equities but equities have become so generic and ubiquitous that holding them as the majority position in a portfolio, given their volatility, makes little sense to me. I see more and more institutional investors and sophisticated high net-worth individual investors moving away from traditional 60-70% equities-weighted portfolios and towards a more diversified strategy of risk assets, including vehicles like emerging market bonds, high-yield bonds and commodities, as well as products PIMCO doesn’t offer, such as timberland, hedged funds, long-short strategies, and other strategies that seek to add alpha and value but aren’t simply a one-horse bet on which direction the equities market is headed. KRA: Finally, can you explain what you mean by double real market exposure? Double real market exposure means if you put $100 million in the Commodity Real Return Strategy Fund, you get $100 million in TIPS holdings and you also get $100 million of commodity exposure through the total return swap. In effect, the TIPS are the security backing the commodity swap. So you might think of TIPS as being a real asset and the commodities as being a real asset. Commodities are typically backed by T-Bills, but we are backing commodities with an inflationindexed asset, so now our investors get double real protection from both parts of the portfolio, each representing 100% exposure. In effect, investors are almost getting 200% of inflationprotected exposure from their investment. KRA: Thanks, John. I think we all have a clearer understanding of the fund’s strategy now. John Brynjolfsson is also co-author of Inflation-Protection Bonds and co-editor of The Handbook of Inflation-Indexed Bonds. He holds a bachelor’s degree in Physics and Mathematics from Columbia College and an MBA in Finance and Economics from the MIT Sloan School of Management. Mr Brynjolfsson has been with PIMCO since 1989.