Comment Submittal Form (Please use a separate form for each ballot item comment. Add pages if required) Masonry Standards Joint Committee Main Committee Ballot: MSJC 2011-11 Closing Date: October 8, 2010 at 11:59 pm Eastern Time Ballot Number: Vote: From: Richard Bennett Phone: 865-974-7540 E-mail: rmbennett@utk.edu 11-V-002 Negative Reason for Above Vote: Chapter 5 is based on the observation of real buildings, not laboratory specimens. Like the commentary says, it is based on experience. Empirical design is a procedure of sizing and proportioning masonry elements. It is not design analysis. Rules of design have been developed based on behavior of whole buildings, and not just isolated walls. The laboratory for empirical design is all the buildings that have been built. The proper way of determining the safety level of empirically designed buildings is to observe their behavior in the real world. This ballot item provides no empirical evidence to support prohibiting ignoring the opening in empirical design for hollow ungrouted units when Ws is less than 4 feet. The probabilistic analysis provided in the public comment is based on analysis of isolated walls. A proper probabilistic analysis of empirically designed structures would also include their observed performance. For example, a Bayesian analysis could be used whereby probabilities are updated based on observed performance.