Cross Listing Course Form (4/9/14)
I: Criteria
To qualify for consideration for cross listing, all courses must:
- be requested by both departments or programs;
- count as credit toward an existing major, minor, or certificate program;
- not be experimental or have a reserved variable content course number (x90-X99)
- carry the same title (both parent and sibling courses) and, if possible, carry the same course
number;
- be implemented within comparable course levels, e.g., (U), (UG), or (G);
- be offered under an existing rubric.
Under no circumstances will a course have more than three crosslistings.
II: Summary of courses requested for crosslisting
Requesting Dept / Program (must be
MCLG
department of parent course)
Parent Course Prefix and Number
PHIL 363
Sibling Course(s) Prefix (Pre CCN)
CLAS 363
and Number
LS 363
Course Title
Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophy
II. Endorsement/Approvals
Complete the form and obtain signatures before submitting to Faculty Senate Office
Please type / print name Signature
Date
Requestor:
Hayden W. Ausland
1/22/15
Phone/ email :
Parent
Program
Chair/Director:
Sibling
Program
Chair(s)
/ Director(s)
Dean(s):
hayden.ausland@umontana.edu
Liz Ametsbichler
Approve
*
 Yes 
No
Matthew Strohl
Stewart Justman
 Yes 
No
Chris Comer
 Yes 
No
 Yes 
No
 Yes 
No
*Signatory Comments (required for disapproval):
IV. Rationale
Do these courses need to be cross listed to fill an external requirement?
If YES, define external requirement and attach
documentation.
I don't think so. HWA
If NO, complete narrative: In 500 words or less explain why only cross-listing this course serves the
need for delivering academic content. You must identify how both the parent and sibling units
contribute to the cross-listed course’s content and how cross listing contributes to the respective units’
missions of serving students. The narrative must also identify additional reasons for cross listing such
as a specialized need for advertising to prospective students, sharing resources across departments
(equipment, space, instructors, etc.), or mutual contribution to course content.
The criteria listed above presuppose a situation unlike the one here. The reasons in this case for cross-listing
are simple, and best understood in the light of the background for its being listed as it is currently in the MUS
system.
History: This course was designed by, and is offered primarily within, the Classics program, which is
administered by the faculty of the Classics Section, itself administratively a part of MCLG. It was originally
listed primarily as an MCLG course, with cross-listings in Philosophy and Liberal Studies. The penultimate
was as a courtesy and convenience to the Philosophy program, which employed it as an alternative to Phil 251
for students who for one reason or another found it hard to take that course, which is required for the BA
degree. When the MUS unified course-numbering three things happened: (a) Classics obtained their own rubric
(CLAS) instead of the generic one they had used before (MCLG), (b) someone without knowledge of the
specifics decided that the Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophy course belonged under the PHIL rubric, and
(c) cross-listing was driven underground. The result is that what is in actual fact primarily a Classics course is
being denied any listing whatever as such. In the meantime, what with a couple of retirements, Philosophy
seems to have forgotten its earlier sense of the course's usefulness to its program. So, as a further result, what
appears (rather than is) the "parent" program of this course is more likely to discourage students from taking it
than to promote it as a course. Classics can live with this -- it is a perennial state of affairs between Classics
and Philosophy programs -- but it might be nice if the course were listed under its true parent program as well
as under another program that now seems not to want it at all.
In order to bring the case to life for university committee members with the unenviable task of considering
these applications, a hypothetical illustration: Suppose John DeBoer offered a course on Shakespearian
technique that he had cross-listed in English in the hopes of interesting some students there in real drama.
Suppose further that this course got FLOCed into an English offering -- say on the ground that Shakespeare
wrote in English. Suppose finally that colleagues in English held the course something educationally substandard, concerned with theatrics rather than the drama properly speaking, and even started telling their
students it didn't really "count". Well, that's about where things stand with PHIL363.
In regard to the criteria listed: (1) Philosophy can hardly object to PHIL363 being listed also as CLAS 363; (2)
it counts primarily toward completion of the Classics BA, whereas the current chair in Philosophy now holds it
doesn't count in their program; (3) it is an established course; (4) it carried the same title and number in both
programs for a number of years; (5) it is an UG course; and (6) it is offered under PHIL, an existing rubric.
HWA
V. Syllabus
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Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophy
(CLAS863/PHIL 363/LS863 - CRN 36029/35834/36028)
Class Meetings: Liberal Arts 207, Tuesday & Thursday 11:10-12:30
Instructor: Hayden W. Ausland (Classics/MCLL)
LA 424 (243-2125)
This course surveys the Western philosophical tradition of ancient Greece and Rome. We will examine
key works of ancient philosophers from the time of Thales (fl. 585 BC) through Aristotle before studying
philosophies of the Hellenistic and Roman eras up to ca. 525 AD.
Class will be conducted as a lecture with allowance for some discussion, and the course-work will call
upon the student's powers of careful and critical reading, and of written and possibly oral discourse. On
Tuesday, March 5 (in week 6) and Thursday, March 28 (in week 9) tests will administered in class on the
material covered in the preceding weeks. A two-hour final exam will administered at the time and place
provided in the university's official schedule. On Friday of the semester's 4th week (February 22) a short,
analytical paper (two pages maximum) will be due on an assignment to be announced a week previous. A more
ambitious paper (of up to three pages) will be due on Friday of the semester's 13th week (April 26).
Written exams will be marked with an eye mainly to accuracy and critical understanding. Prepared
papers will be evaluated rigorously for their mechanical, as well as substantive, elements. Students' individual
course grades will be based upon their papers, tests, and other indications of effective academic engagement. It
can be helpful to meet all deadlines.
Projected order of treatment with coordinated schedule of assigned readings:
Week 1:
General introduction; natural history before Socrates
Fragments of the Presocratics
Week 2:
(continued, then) the Sophists and Socrates
Fragments of the Sophists; Aristophanes, Clouds
Week 3:
Plato's Socrates
Plato: Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo
Week 4:
Plato's understanding of philosophy
Plato, Symposium & Phaedrus
Week 5:
Platonic cosmology & the legend of Atlantis
Plato, Timaeus, & Critias
Week 6:
Aristotelian logic
Aristotle, selections from the Organon*
Week 7:
Aristotelian natural philosophy (specifically, psychology)
Aristotle, De Anima II.1-5 & III.3-13
Week 8:
Aristotelian first philosophy (theology)
Aristotle, Metaphysics, Book 12*
Week 9:
Aristotelian poetics
Aristotle, Poetics
Week 10:
[spring break]
Week 11:
Hellenistic Greek philosophy & its transfer to Rome
Cicero, On the Nature of the Gods
Week 12:
Roman Stoicism in the first century
Selected letters and essays of the Younger Seneca
Week 13:
Roman Stoicism in the second century
Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
Week 14:
Christian philosophy
Augustine, On the Happy Life*
Week 15:
The end of ancient philosophy
Boethius, The Consolation of Philosophy
Exam week
[1st paper]
[1st test]
[2nd test]
[2nd paper]
[Final exam]
The Bookstore in the University center has been asked to stock various books containing most the works listed above.
Several of these, and also some other secondary works, will be available also on traditional reserve at Mansfield.
Readings marked with an asterisk (*) above, as also some alternative versions of a few other works, will be made
available in electronic form.
Grades of incomplete are not recorded in this course.
The instructor will assume a familiarity with academic standards, rules and procedures set out in the University Catalogue,
the Schedule of Classes, and Student Conduct Code.
VI. Justification for third crosslisting:
In 500 words or less describe the extenuating circumstances making a third course necessary.
Given the composite nature of their program, students in LS tend to need help finding good courses relevant to
their humanistic studies. For this reason, this course has been traditionally cross-listed there as well. I doubt
whether LS will object to continuing this -- and they may even welcome it and encourage their students to
enroll in it as a suitable elective counting toward a BA. (Responses in the terms of the other criteria are as
above.)
VII Copies and Electronic Submission. After approval, submit signed original, and electronic file to
the Faculty Senate Office, UH 221, camie.foos@mso.umt.edu.