24.05 Presentation: The Long Term Discount Rate

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The long term discount rate:

Some comments from a practical point of view

24. mai 2012

Prof. Thore Johnsen

Norwegian School of Economics

(NHH)

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Structure

 Are economic (growth) models useful in setting public discount rates?

 A simple market calibration exercise

 Risk premium information from the stock market

 Summing up

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Are economic (growth) models useful in setting public discount rates?

 Of course, but with a minimum of market calibration

 But, the models have not been very useful in explaining

(or predicting) the financial markets

Discount rate = Risk free rate (real) + Risk Premium

 Risk Free rate puzzle: too high

 Equity premium puzzle: too low

 Too much degree of freedom in more elaborate models,

 or too complex and unstable for practical use

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Structure

 Are economic (growth) models useful in setting public discount rates?

 A simple market calibration exercise

 Few long instruments with «risk free» real return matching except for the UK 50-year indexed Giltmarket (excess demand)

 Will instead use the US 100-year corporate bond market

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100 Year Bonds - Yields 2001 - 2012

Walt Disney 2093 vs 2032

US Treasury 2030

Coca Cola 2098 vs 2036

US Treasury 2030

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100 Year Bonds – Yield spreads 2001 - 2012

2093 - 2032

WD 2032 vs

Treasury 2030

2098 - 2036

CC 2036 vs

100 Year Bonds – Forward Yields

(TL

RL - TS

RS) / (TL-TS)

WD93 = WD32 +

Fwd purch. WD93 in 2032

CC98 = CC36 +

Fwd purch. CC96 in 2036

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Uncertain future price and yield (in 2032-36) -

Convexity adjusted forward yield

 Price long bond = Price short bond + E[Future Price]

 Determine forward yield from expected future price

Dybvig, et. Al. (JB 1996;

Weitzman JEEM 1998)

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100 Year Bonds – Stable 3.2 % Forward Yields

R93

[T32

R32 +

(T93-T32)

3.2% ]/T93

R98

[T36

R36 +

(T98-T36)

3.2% ]/T98

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Structure

 Are economic (growth) models useful in setting public discount rates?

 A simple market calibration exercise

 Risk premium information from the stock market

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Two days in the life of Oslo Stock Exhange …..

30. sep. 2008: Down 8.5 %

SELL !!

1. oktober 2008: Up 5.5 %

BUY !!

The stock market is driven by expectations and risk

 Stocks give a w return when investors demand more

(and a higher return when they expect less)

 Stock market and economic growth uncorrelated, across markets and over time (Dimson, Marsh & Staunton)

 (but the stock market is a good predictor for future growth)

 High correlation between long-run stock and bond returns, while short-run returns are negatively correlated

Discount rate = Risk free rate (real) + Risk Premium

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Pricing of OSE Large Caps Nov vs Aug 2008

OSE Large Caps 04.08.08 vs ROE-estimate for 2008

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REC

5

4

3

2

1

2,5

2,0

0

0,0

Seadrill

Aker Solutions

Statoil

Yara

Frontline

(7,8 / 13,3)

Hydro

Orkla

Stb

RCL

T hon

DnB Nor

Avg LC ( 2,0 )

T elenor

Krav 11,9% = 4,9% + 1,5

Corr = 0.81

1,0 2,0 3,0

Static P/B (R08* / 11.9%)

4,0

OSE Large Caps 03.11.08 vs ROE-estimate for 2009

Frontline

(3,3 / 0,9)

REC

Statoil

· 4,5%

5,0

Aug 08 : RF 5.0 %

MP 4.5 %

Cost 12 %

1,5

1,0

0,5

0,0

0,0

Seadrill

Avg LC ( 1,2 )

Aker Solutions

Yara

T hon Orkla

Hydro

RCL

Norske Skog

Stb

DnB Nor

T elenor

0,5 1,0 1,5

Static P/B (R09* / 14.5%)

Krav 14,5% = 3,8% + 1,5 · 7%

Corr = 0.40

2,0 2,5

Nov 08 : RF 3.8 %

MP 7 %

Cost 14.5%

Cyclical risk premiums US

2,2

5,3 4,8

2,4

(snitt premie 1,1 %)

-2,2

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Equity, gov. bonds and GNP-growth Norway / US (deflated, log)

1900 - 2010

NORWAY: 0.60

Equity + 0.40

Bonds = 3.2 %

GNP-growth > 1980

8 %

2.6 %

6,5 %

-GNP: 2.4 %

-Real rate:3.8%

US: 0.60

Equity + 0.40

Bonds = 4.5 % >> GNP-growth

6,5 %

2.5 %

7 %

-GNP: 2.7 %

-Real rate:1.8%

15-yrs geometric real returns Norway / US 1900 – 2011

1900-1959 : 1960-2011 :

Equity: 3,2%

Gov Bonds: 1,1%

Equity: 5,2%

Gov. bonds: 2,9%

Real interest: 1,2% Real interest: 2,5%

NORWAY

1900-1959 :

Equity: 6,9%

Gov. bonds: 1,1%

Real interest: 0,7%

1960-2011 :

Equity: 5,4%

Gov. bonds: 3,3%

Real inteest: 1,1%

US

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Summing up

 Yes, the risk free (real) rate term structure has a dip at the (very) long end

 But, the the term structure of risk premiums are problably upward bending (e.g. Pastor &

Stambaug, JF 2012)

 Use market calibration (political defense)

 More focus on benefits/cash flows than discount rates in public projects

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