Recruiting (and keeping)
Research Students
John Kirby & Alison Tyson-Capper
Graduate School
Faculty of Medical Sciences
Why do you want a student?
• The upside
– Have excellent qualification and a high degree
of motivation
• Can be easier to attract good students than postdocs
– Can be good value for money
• Projects often lead to new areas and large grants
– Can be highly productive
• 1/3 of papers submitted to REF 2014 stem from PhD
student research
– Positive contribution to research environment
Why do you want a student?
• The downside
– Projects can be expensive
• Can be a drain on resource (not much money for
consumables)
– Loss leaders…
– Can be very labour intensive for supervisors
and other lab workers
• Time pressures
• Assessment
• Thesis writing
• About 30% of our high impact factor (>10)
papers 1st authored by students
The bottom line
• In order to maximise fee income, the
faculty expects all members of academic
staff to supervise a mean of 2.3
postgraduate research students
• But, you need to appoint excellent students
• And it is possible to have too many
students!
How do you get a student? - 1
• Apply for a studentship grant
– Examples:
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Research Councils (various schemes)
EU schemes (Marie Curie)
Faculty schemes
Charities
– British Heart Foundation, ARC, etc
» But, changing priorities (eg CR-UK), credit crunch
– Typically need ~ £80,000 for a 36 month studentship (home
–EU- fees, with limited consumables)
• May also be 4-year schemes
– Combine with MRes (1 + 3 year)
– Another model = 1+ 3 (1st year training – not an MRes)
– Advertise the vacancy (through the graduate school)
• Ask around. Maybe local graduates!
– Worth engaging with undergraduate/masters programmes
How do you get a student? - 2
• Consider an application in your research
area from a candidate who is self financing
or has other personal support
– Often (but not always) an international
applicant
– >50% of PhD students in UK are from overseas
• Electronic application
– http://www.ncl.ac.uk/postgraduate/apply/
How do students apply?
• If responding to an advertised studentship
– Students might contact the supervisor(s)
directly for informal information
But
– They should also use a reference number for
specific web-based application through the
‘E2R’ (enquiries to registration) system
How do students apply?
• If making a general application for PhD
training, students also use the online
system
• Student may not have identified a
supervisor
– but, should provide details (up to 500 words)
listing research interests/plans
• Student may not have secured funding
– A conditional offer from Newcastle can often
help such students to secure a grant/visa
What next?
• Applications are sent to the admissions
team at King’s Gate
• If application is for a specific (advertised)
studentship, details of all applicants are
forwarded to supervisors
– Minimum requirements:
• Relevant good upper second class degree (or
equivalent)
• Two satisfactory references
• Language qualification (see later)
If an international application, the Admissions Office will:
• Check qualifications (including quality of the issuing
university)
• Request references
• Pass application to Prof Steve Yeaman
– (who decides whether to proceed)
• Then to School/Institute PG co-ordinator
– (who selects most appropriate supervisors)
• Then to individual academic
– (who decides whether to offer conditional place and
level of fees)
– Additional guidance for handling international
applications is available at
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/fms/staff/supervisor/
Fees
• International students are required to pay fees at a high
rate (2015/2016)
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Band 2
Band 2a
Band 2b:
Band 2c:
Band 3:
no ‘bench fee’
£2,525 (£2,650) comes to the supervisor
£5,050 (£5,350) comes to the supervisor
£6,565 (£6,895) comes to the supervisor
£9,090 (£9,545) to the supervisor
– See “Fees Schedule” for definitions, current fees and future
predictions
• Good idea to seek help from staff in the Graduate School
• Good overseas students can apply for a competitive
award from Faculty (ORS scheme) to pay the difference
between home (EU) and overseas fees (5-6 per year in
FMS)
Qualification
• For PhD candidates the normal expectation
is a masters level degree
– Or equivalent experience, etc.
• BSc students should be encouraged to take
an MRes or apply for an integrated
MRes/PhD.
• Why?
– In line with normal expectations in EU
– Bologna protocol
English language
• Measured by recognised examinations
– Typically IELTS (international English language
test system)
• Require overall score of 6.5 (+/-10% error!)
– 4 component scores
» Writing
(minimum score of 6 required)
» Reading
» Speaking
» Listening
– Or complete a pre-sessional programme of
study
• No measure of success and little follow up
References
• Few academics will write strongly negative
references (F of I)
– Read between the lines
– Look for faint praise or coded messages
• ‘with the benefit of strong supervision this
candidate should…..’
• ‘although this applicant has no direct knowledge of
the subject area, with appropriate training (s)he…..’
• If in doubt, phone the referee for a chat
interview potential students
• Minimum of 2 experienced supervisors
– Supervisory team
• Ideally, also an additional academic
• Remember to offer to pay expenses!
• Gender balance
– Skype or Conference call? (preferably Skype)
• Decide in advance what you will all contribute to the
process (the GS have a list of generic questions)
– Who will ask what?
• Keep notes
• Has the candidate taken the trouble to find out about your
work? (who brings this up –you or the candidate?)
• Why did the candidate apply for this
project?
• What relevant experience has (s)he?
– Final year project?
– Summer vacation projects?
• Seek examples of how the student has
coped with research setbacks
– Gauge resilience!
• Do you think the candidate will accept the
studentship if offered?
Discrimination
• Be fully aware of (and comply completely with)
the University’s policy on discrimination
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Age
Sex
Disability
Race
• But be aware that not all funding bodies will
support applications from non UK or EU nationals
– For example, EU funded students training in the UK
often must be citizens of any country in the EU but the
UK!
• Keep a record of your decision – you might be
asked to show this if there is any dispute.
What next?
• Let the admissions office know your decision
(complete a studentship form and send to the
graduate school)
– detail project title, supervisors, fee band, start
date, grant number, HoI (or proxy) signature etc
• The admissions office will issue a formal offer to
successful candidates and inform unsuccessful
candidates
– You might also wish to provide personalised, specific
feedback
• The graduate school will make a studentship
offer to the successful applicant
– Check the offer has been made and received!
Selection is critical
Every year a number of research students
withdraw after registration
1995/96
1996/97
1997/98
1998/99
1999/00
2000/01
2001/02
13
15
19
13
21
22
28
2002/03
2003/04
2004/05
2005/06
2006/07
2007/08
2008/9
19
10
9
7
10
9
5
This represents a significant waste of
(your) time, money and effort (and can
damage our completion record)
Reasons for withdrawal
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Personal/Health/Financial
PhD study not what expected/wanted
Lack of results/wrong project for me
Unhappy with supervision
Student gone AWOL
Studies terminated by Dean of Postgraduate
Studies
• Transferred with supervisor to another institution
Is withdrawal predictable?
• Life events – not really
– Maybe interruption of studies is appropriate?
• Weak students – yes
– there is a strong correlation between students with a 2:2 or whose
language entry criteria have been waived and subsequent withdrawal
• Has the supervisory team experienced a greater than average
withdrawal rate? (some have)
• Was the student really motivated to undertake this specific
project?
– Should this have been apparent at an earlier stage?
• Some students only decide to do a PhD when they get a better degree
than anticipated; late applicants…
• Was the project well-designed, ethical and achievable within
the timescale?
– Project approval process
‘Exit routes’ along the way
• The four-year MRes – PhD programme is
ideal.
• If the MRes does not go well, the student
can leave after 12 months with (hopefully)
a semi-positive outcome
– Successful students also benefit from the
experience gained during the MRes and will hit
the ground running at the start of the PhD.
What about 3-year PhD programmes
• The 8-month progress review identifies
students who are unlikely to achieve a PhD
– However, a clear decision MUST be reached
within the first 12-months
• Many grants will re-generate first year funding if a
student departs in the first 12 months
• Withdrawal after 12 months shows as noncompletion in our overall rates
– Remember future studentship funding depends on the
maintenance of high completion rates!
Induction
• Project approval
– Defines project goals, timelines, supervisory team,
assessors
– Crucial for assessors to approve projects which have
not already been peer-reviewed (eg: overseas or selffunded students)
• Learning agreement
• Management of expectations
– “But I thought I’d get my own desk, computer,
technician and access to the most expensive reagents
and equipment….”
• “and meet my supervisors whenever and wherever I
choose…”
Expectations: The student
• Space
– Where is my desk, computer, heat, light…
• Funding
– I want consumables, equipment, travel
• Access to supervisors
– Why isn’t my supervisor interested in my work?
• Work-life balance
– “But I want to go to Thailand for six weeks”
• I want more help with progress reports
• I want more help with my thesis
– My supervisor didn’t read/correct my thesis over the
weekend
Expectations: The supervisor
• Where is my student?
– Working hours and holidays
• But I am the co-supervisor
– What is my role?
• Why do they always come to me when I am
busy?
– Should my door always be open?
• Management of costs.
– Do you provide a computer?
• Am I a proof reader?
Faculty of Medical Sciences Graduate School
Criteria for Supervisory Teams
The Code of Practice states that:
37. The University requires that supervision should normally be undertaken by a team consisting of at least two members with the
appropriate research skills and knowledge, who should be registered on an approved list of supervisors held by the Faculty and
therefore demonstrably research active. Where for any reason this is not practical, for example where one supervisor is based
outside the University, one supervisor from the approved supervisory list is acceptable provided that they also discharge the
responsibilities of the academic supervisor outlined below.
38. Staff who have not previously supervised research students are required to undertake appropriate initial training and
development, while experienced supervisors are normally expected to undertake continuing professional development relevant to
the supervisory role, for example participate in Faculty supervisory updating sessions.
In the Faculty of Medical Sciences, supervisors should be registered on the approved list of supervisors held by the Graduate
School. At least one of the members of the supervisory team should be a Fellow of the Graduate School or Honorary Fellow with
experience of at least two successful supervisions. The supervisory team will include an academic supervisor (a member of
academic staff of the Faculty, where the University is the employer). Please note that Honorary Fellows may not act in the
capacity of the academic supervisor but may act as the lead supervisor.
Exceptions will be when the University is not the main employer of one of the supervisors, for example when a supervisor is based
at another institution (e.g. BBSRC Doctoral Training Partnerships with Durham University and Liverpool University). In these
circumstances the Newcastle University supervisor must fulfil the criteria as the academic supervisor.
Additional members of the supervisory team may include other staff, University academics, Postdoctoral Research Associates and
honorary staff appointments. Honorary members of staff and Research Associates within the Faculty who meet equivalent criteria
may be approved as Honorary and Associate Fellows of the Graduate School. Additional members of the supervisory team may
include other staff from outside the Faculty and external advisors e.g. industrial supervisors, scientists from external institutes or
academics from other Universities.
Formal supervisory meetings
• What is a ‘formal’ meeting?
– You pass your student in the corridor and say
‘is everything OK’
– Your student politely answer ‘Yes’
• Nice, but NOT a formal meeting
Formal meetings
• What is a ‘formal’ meeting?
– You are working in the lab/office/field next to
one of your students and ask how work is
progressing and offer help
• Should happen, but NOT a formal meeting
Formal meetings - 1
• Formal meetings are the most vital part of
your project
• Frequency
– Often more common at the start than at the end
of your project
– In this Faculty should not be more than two
months apart (or less than 10 per year)
– Your student should initiate meetings
• make an appointment (perhaps even book a quiet room
– no phone)
• Invite all appropriate members of supervisory team
Formal meetings - 2
• What happens at the meeting?
– Examine results and interesting papers and discuss
these in detail
• Make plans
• Discuss problems
• Ensure the project is more than a series of
small experiments
– Plan the thesis
Formal meetings - 3
• During the meeting
– The student should take notes
• After the meeting
– The student writes minutes of the meeting (can be
done on-line using the e-portfolio)
– Circulates these to all supervisors for additional
comment
– Bring the minutes to the next meeting
• Next meeting
– You all discover the experiments didn’t go as
planned!
The ‘new look’ e-portfolio: Alison’s students
Scary stuff
• Overseas students require a “Tier 4” visa
• The university has a licence from the
government to administer these visas
– One condition is that we MUST be able to
demonstrate student attendance
– Audits are not announced
• At least one licences has been revoked!
• The e-portfolio meeting record has been
designed to provide the evidence!
– Keep it up to date for all your students
....Overseas students and UK/EU
students- respecting individuality
Settling in & throughout studies – awareness of:
• different cultures
• disabilities
• Office/desk space
• Meetings with supervisors/group/collaborators
• Activities: viva celebrations/conferences
• ‘buddy’ scheme
A final word…..
• You must stop the project and allow the
student to write up just when the work is
reaching its most interesting phase
• You must allow the student to develop
independence
– It is a good sign when a student takes
ownership from you
• Ultimately, your job is to train a good
scientist and then encourage him or her to
leave your group!