26 June 2001 Page 1 of 256 TUESDAY, 26 JUNE 2001 ____ PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES ____ The Council met at 14:03. The Chairperson took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation. ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS - see col 000. NOTICES OF MOTION Mrs J N VILAKAZI: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that I shall move Council: That the Council - at the next sitting of the 26 June 2001 Page 2 of 256 (1) notes with shock the death of a four-monthold baby who was allegedly attacked by gigantic rats at Sebokeng Hospital; (2) further notes that the hospital medical superintendent acknowledged that there is a rat problem in the hospital; (3) finds it unacceptable precautions ensure were the that not safety taken of the required timeously patients to in the and all hospital; and (4) calls on the Department of Health other structures involved with the safety of patients to take precautions to prevent the reoccurrence of such a nasty health hazard. Ms B N DLULANE: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that I shall move Council: That the Council - at the next sitting of the 26 June 2001 Page 3 of 256 (1) notes that - (a) the DA leader, Tony Leon, has finally had the courage to admit that his party is dominated by whites and that it has to attract more blacks; (b) Mr Leon admits that the African National Congress has brought freedom to all South Africans including himself; and (c) the division which manifests itself in terms of leadership within the Democratic Alliance poses a question whether a small party like the DA, which cannot consolidate its own party and deal with its own problems, can lead the entire country; (2) congratulates presenting ANC; and the their Democratic internal Alliance squabbles to on the 26 June 2001 Page 4 of 256 (3) acknowledges that this entails that the DA has finally realised that the ANC is the only party that can bring a better life for all. [Interjections.] Mr K D S DURR: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that I shall move at the next sitting of the Council: That the Revenue Council to look calls into upon all the cases Receiver of of improper benefits received in cash or kind by any person of official arising from the arms deal, as well as any other similar Government transactions, and to impose maximum penalties for nondisclosure of benefits received. INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST DRUG ABUSE AND ILLICIT DRUG TRAFFICKING (Draft Resolution) 26 June 2001 Page 5 of 256 Mnr P A MATTHEE: Voorsitter, ek stel voor sonder kennisgewing: Dat die Raad - (1) daarvan kennis neem dat - (a) dit vandag Internasionale Dwelmmisbruik en onwettige Dag teen Dwelmhandel is; (b) statistieke Maart van vanjaar April wys verlede dat daar jaar 'n tot reuse toename in dwelmgebruik is en dat veral die syfer onder laerskoolleerlinge uiters kommerwekkend is; (c) dwelmbase hulle veral daarop toespits om kinders as kopers en verkopers te werf; en (d) 'n grootskaalse gemeenskaplike poging van ouers, gemeenskappe, polisie en ander opvoeders, die regeringsinstellings 26 June 2001 Page 6 of 256 sowel as nie-regeringsorganisasies nodig is om die dwelmprobleme van ons land op te los en ons jeug uit dié bose wurggreep te kry; (2) sy volle steun oplossings te verleen vind aan vir pogings die om toenemende dwelmprobleem onder ons bevolking en om ons jeug te beskerm teen die gewetenlose uitbuiting deur dwelmbase; en (3) 'n beroep op die Regering doen om maatreëls te verskerp om die binnekoms van onwettige dwelmmiddels in ons land te probeer voorkom. (Translation of Afrikaans draft resolution follows.) [Mr P A MATTHEE: notice: That the Council - (1) notes that - Chairperson, I move without 26 June 2001 Page 7 of 256 (a) today is the International Day against Drug Abuse and Illicit Drug Trafficking; (b) statistics from April last year to March this year indicate that there has been an enormous increase in drug use and that the figure among primary school pupils in particular is extremely alarming; (c) druglords recruiting concentrate their children as efforts buyers on and suppliers; and (d) a large-scale joint effort on the part of parents, communities, educators, the police and other government institutions as well as nongovernmental organisations is needed to solve our country's drug problems and to release our youth from this evil stranglehold; (2) lends its full support to attempts at finding solutions to the increasing drug problem amongst our population and at protecting our 26 June 2001 youth Page 8 of 256 against unscrupulous exploitation by druglords; and (3) appeals to the Government to intensify measures aimed at the prevention of the entry of illegal drugs into our country.] Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution. ANNIVERSARY OF ADOPTION OF FREEDOM CHARTER (Draft Resolution) The CHIEF WHIP OF THE COUNCIL: Chairperson, I move without notice: That the Council notes that - (1) today marks adoption of the the 46th anniversary Freedom Charter, of the which declared a nonracial, nonsexist South Africa which belongs to all who live in it, black and white; 26 June 2001 Page 9 of 256 (2) its visionary prescriptions have served as an educational disciplined tool in struggle the to protracted bring and democracy to our land; (3) today, we salute and pay tribute to all the people who contributed in putting together this Charter; (4) for years, the Freedom Charter has been a living document - for decades its eloquence has adequately answered the question ``What kind of South Africa do we want?''; and (5) this vision described in the Freedom Charter continues to inspire the struggles of South Africa's people, to guide the process of fundamental social change and its principles remain at the heart of the objectives of the ANC and the Government. Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution. 26 June 2001 Page 10 of 256 LANDMINES IN ERITREA (Draft Resolution) Ms M P THEMBA: Chairperson, I move without notice: That the Council - (1) expresses landmines its dismay which are at the tragedy killing our of fellow African brothers in Eritrea; (2) regrets Ethiopia's refusal to disclose the location of more landmines in Eritrea; (3) supports the initiative of the removal of landmines and regrets America's refusal to be part of this initiative; (4) congratulates South Africa for its role in the campaign for the abolition of landmines and weapons of mass destruction; and 26 June 2001 Page 11 of 256 (5) pledges more international assistance for the strong proponent of the total abolition of landmines. Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution. NATURAL DISASTERS (Draft Resolution) Mnr J L THERON: Voorsitter, ek stel voor sonder kennisgewing: Dat die Raad - (1) kennis neem van die feit dat - (a) drie natuurrampe, 'n reuse aardbewing in Peru, 'n tifoon in China en 'n vulkaniese uitbarsting in die Filippyne, die wêreld getref het; en 26 June 2001 Page 12 of 256 (b) meer as 70 meer as 150 mense in mense Peru in die gesterf het, tifoon Chebi omgekom het en dat meer as 27 000 mense op 215 dorpies in die Filippyne dakloos gelaat is deur die uitbarsting van die Mayon-vulkaan; en (2) sy skok uitspreek oor die lewensverlies en ontberinge van die mense en simpatie betuig met die onderskeie lande. (Translation of Afrikaans draft resolution follows.) [Mr J L THERON: Chairperson, I move without notice: That the Council - (1) notes that - (a) three natural disasters, a huge earthquake in Peru, a typhoon in China and a volcanic eruption in the Phillipines, have struck the world; and 26 June 2001 Page 13 of 256 (b) more than 70 people have died in Peru, more than 150 people have perished in typhoon Chebi and that more than 27 000 people in 215 villages in the Phillipines have been left homeless by the eruption of the Mayon volcano; and (2) expresses its shock at the loss of life and human suffering and conveys its sympathy to the respective countries.] Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution. PRESENTATION OF JAMNALAL BAJAJ AWARD TO ARCHBISHOP DESMOND TUTU (Draft Resolution) Mrs E N LUBIDLA: notice: That the Council - Chairperson, I move without 26 June 2001 Page 14 of 256 (1) notes with pride - (a) the consistent contribution of Archbishop Desmond Tutu toward the struggle for freedom of our people; and (b) his critical leadership role in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission; and (2) therefore recognises with pride the Jamnalal Bajaj award received by Desmond Tutu from the High Commissioner of India, Mr S S Mukherjee, yesterday, for furthering the Gandhian values of nonviolence and passive resistance. Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution. CALL FOR ASSISTANCE TO EMERGING AND SUBSISTENCE FARMERS IN THE NORTH WEST (Draft Resolution) 26 June 2001 Page 15 of 256 Mr J O TLHAGALE: Madam Chairperson, I move without notice: That the Council - (1) notes with concern that - (a) a large proportion of the emerging and subsistence farmers in the North West, which is predominantly rural, are on the verge of liquidation and bankruptcy due to a lack of the necessary resources and climatic conditions; and (b) many of the rural dwellers who depended on agriculture, their main which employer, had are always now been facing a bleak future and this has aggravated the cycle of poverty in the province; and (2) calls on the powers that be to assist the farmers to resuscitate this industry and to stop allegations that the UCDP leader spoiled 26 June 2001 Page 16 of 256 the farmers with nonrefundable loans during drought periods. The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Order! Is there any objection to the motion? [Interjections.] There is an objection. The motion will therefore become notice of a motion. GOOD WISHES TO NATALIE DU TOIT, AMPUTEE SWIMMER (Draft Resolution) Me E C GOUWS: Mev die Voorsitter, ek stel voor sonder kennisgewing: Dat die Raad - (1) kennis neem dat - (a) een van Suid-Afrika se beste jong swemmers, die 17-jarige Natalie du Toit, se linkerbeen in Februarie by die knie afgesit is na 'n motorongeluk; 26 June 2001 Page 17 of 256 (b) hierdie dapper meisie weer op Sondag 1 Julie haar toetrede tot kompeterende swem hervat ten spyte van die ongeluk; en (c) sy die wenner van verskeie WP-titels en nasionale medaljes voor die tragiese ongeluk was; en (2) haar alle sterkte en voorspoed toewens, ook vir die moed aan die dag gelê. (Translation of Afrikaans draft resolution follows.) [Ms E C GOUWS: Madam Chairperson, I move without notice: That the Council - (1) notes that - (a) one of swimmers, South the Africa's 17-year-old best young Natalie du Toit, had her left leg amputated at the knee in February after a car accident; 26 June 2001 (b) this Page 18 of 256 brave comeback to young girl is competitive making swimming a on Sunday 1 July, despite the accident; and (c) she was the holder of various WP titles and national medals before the tragic accident; and (2) wishes her well and good luck, also for the courage she has shown.] Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution. SEIZURE OF ILLEGAL ROCK LOBSTER AT THE WATERFRONT (Draft Resolution) Mr G A LUCAS: Chairperson, I move without notice: That the Council - (1) expresses its concern over the discovery and seizure of 3,37 tons of South Coast rock 26 June 2001 Page 19 of 256 lobster worth an estimated R1 million from a vessel owned by the Hout Bay fishing industry at the Waterfront yesterday; (2) notes that the same company was last week linked to seizures of 10 tons of endangered Patagonian Toothfish in a container belonging to the company in New York; (3) commends the Scorpions investigators and Sea Fisheries inspectors on this breakthrough; (4) is of the view that the South African Government has no room for poachers; and (5) is of the firm belief that the investigators will use their skill and due diligence in order to bring the perpetrators to book and to deal with them with the full might of the law. Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution. 26 June 2001 Page 20 of 256 INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST TORTURE (Draft Resolution) Ms B THOMSON: Chairperson, I move without notice: That the Council - (1) notes that - (a) today is the international day against torture, affirming that everyone has the right to freedom and security and should not be deprived arbitrarily or without just cause; (b) this has been made possible by the United Nations coalition torture, and of the NGOs summary disappearances largest and international fighting executions, all other against forced forms of cruel and degrading treatment in order to preserve human rights; and 26 June 2001 Page 21 of 256 (c) the convention against torture and other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment recognises the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family and is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world; and (2) expresses our support as envisaged in our Bill of Rights which protects security of the person to be free from all forms of violence from either public or private sources and not to be tortured in any way. Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution. FAST-TRACKING OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE AMENDMENT BILL (Draft Resolution) The CHIEF WHIP OF THE COUNCIL: Chairperson, I move the draft resolution printed Order Paper, as follows: in my name on the 26 June 2001 Page 22 of 256 That the Council ratifies the decision the Joint Programme Subcommittee took on 20 June 2001 in accordance with Joint Rule 216(2), namely that the Criminal 2001] be Procedure Amendment fast-tracked by, Bill where [B 37 - necessary, shortening any period within which any step in the legislative process relating to the Bill must be completed, in order for the Bill to be passed by both Houses of Parliament before Parliament adjourns in June 2001 (see Announcements, Tablings and Committee Reports, p 733). Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution. APPROPRIATION BILL (Policy debate) Vote No 26 - Environmental Affairs and Tourism: The MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS AND TOURISM: Chairperson, it is indeed an honour and a privilege for me to present my introduction to the policy 26 June 2001 Page 23 of 256 debate on the occasion of the anniversary of the adoption of the Freedom Charter. Way back in 1955, representatives of the oppressed people of this country came together and declared for all of the world to know and hear, ``South Africa belongs to all who live in it.'' They were bold enough to declare, ``The people shall govern.'' That was right in the belly of apartheid and in the darkest days of the oppression of our country, and many critics thought that this was simply a pipe dream. But here people, we and privilege are, we for elected are us to representatives governing. be It conducting is of a this the great debate today. When I addressed the National Assembly a few weeks ago, I made an appeal: As South Africans we must act while we can to protect the environment. This requires decisive action and can only happen if all three spheres of government act together. The NCOP has a special place in the governance of our country. This is where the three spheres interact to give real and practical meaning to co-operative governance on issues of pollution and waste, the 26 June 2001 growth of Page 24 of 256 tourism and the management of our protected areas and our coastline. This unity in action is the best weapon to combat poverty with practical programmes. I therefore wish to use this opportunity to highlight some of the practical ways we are working with provinces and local governments tourist issues to and address raise environmental some concerns and that I believe we need to address in this relationship. The constitutional role of provincial and local government in waste management is critical. Refuse removal, refuse dumps and solid waste disposal are Schedule 5B exclusive cannot functions provincial speak of of local government legislative an effective under competence. waste We management system without talking about the role to be played by provincial and local governments. Currently, 566 million tons of municipal waste is generated every year by mountain of waste. Only recycled or reclaimed in our a country. fraction any way. This of When is this we a is were 26 June 2001 Page 25 of 256 preparing for this speech, most municipalities were unable to give us accurate figures on waste and recycling even within their municipal areas. Where is this mountain of waste going to? There is a crisis pertaining to illegal landfilled sites that continues unabated, and this includes municipal authorities. Of the 710 landfills in South Africa, 49% are illegal and do not comply with environmental legislation. Some municipalities are complicit in this, and are using these landfills illegally. Proper refuse collection is an essential service and a basic right. At the moment, 40% of South Africa's people do not have a proper domestic refuse collection system, which means that waste piles up around their homes, degrades their environments and affects their health. We have a national obligation to ensure that minimum standards for waste management are met. The actions taken by provinces to address these problems are clearly not adequate. In this regard it is important that we do the basics right. A consistent refuse removal mechanism and strategy, 26 June 2001 the Page 26 of 256 provision neglected areas of basic and landfill sites in effective recycling dustbins the proper a manner are things in previously organisation that that of facilitates can be done with the current resources at our disposal. This should be linked to environmentally friendly, integrated development plans for municipalities. We have to act before it is too late. My department has actively supported waste management projects around the country which aim to demonstrate that waste management can be improved on a sustainable basis and that jobs and development can be delivered as part of this. I am proud to announce that this year we will spend an additional R32 million on waste projects linked to poverty alleviation Government's overall targets work and on contributing urban renewal to and rural development. On 25 September 2001 this year my department will host a national waste summit in conjunction with the nine provinces, as decided upon at a recent Minmec, whose key objectives will be to engage all 26 June 2001 Government practical Page 27 of 256 agencies and strategies to other stakeholders implement the in national policy on integrated waste management. It will also be a golden opportunity to increase awareness among South Africans that they need to act before it is too late. The socioeconomic development of South Africa and the health of its people can no longer be affected by uncontrolled management. year, when During I and World attended unco-ordinated Environment the main waste Week this function in Bloemfontein in Batho township, I announced that next year, on World Environment Day, Government would be announcing the name of what we consider to be the cleanest town in the country and we would be making available a reward of R1 million to that town for being the cleanest town. We went further, then, and said - and I will keep this promise - that together with that, we will name and shame what we consider to be the dirtiest town in the requesting, country. through [Interjections.] the provincial I will be MECs when we 26 June 2001 Page 28 of 256 next get an opportunity to meet in Minmec, that we start the build-up at the provincial level and that we name the cleanest town for each of the nine provinces and the dirtiest town in each province, in a build-up to the national awards as such. I do hope that I will get the co-operation of the NCOP in unfolding this programme, because somebody is going to have to make what is an acceptable determination of which is the cleanest and which is the dirtiest. The control of air pollution is another local government function that currently is inadequately performed. Only 131 municipalities do any form of air quality monitoring, and of these only 97 take any steps to ensure compliance. Most township areas - and this is a shame - still fall outside declared smoke control exposed to areas, the most and township appalling residents levels of are air pollution from coal smoke and adjacent industries. In parts of the Vaal triangle today one is not able to see one's neighbour standing across the street from where one is, because the air pollution is so bad. 26 June 2001 We have Page 29 of 256 already taken steps to publish new guidelines for the reduction in the emissions of SO2 and next year it is our aim to present a clean air Act, which will of course be a clean air Bill when we present regularising comes it here. the situation, to This Bill is aimed particularly municipalities at when fulfilling it their responsibilities in this regard. I would decision bureau like to in capacity to announce avail the pollution for random that we aircraft hotspots of to monitoring, have the taken a weather increase our particularly monitoring the emission levels that are coming from industries. The bioregional approach to conservation in South Africa recently released by our department is an indication of the tremendous progress made in conservation in our country since 1994. Over 155 000 ha of land has been added to conservation. This is the biggest expansion in any comparable period in the history of conservation in South Africa. We hope to grow the current 6% of conservation land in 26 June 2001 Page 30 of 256 South Africa to 8% over the next 10 years, in order to sustain this trend. The provinces have a critical role to play in managing the conservation areas of our country, and improving the standard of our provincial parks. Much criticism has been levelled against the state of some of our provincial parks and we indeed have a problem in this regard. I am informed that in every single province there has been a steady decline in real terms in the conservation budgets. We are spending less and less in rands per hectare on managing provincial reserves. Income from provincial reserves has also been declining and the parks suffer back to the been working in provinces central where Treasury. actively with the My income goes department provinces to has address this crisis, and in many instances is intervening directly to protect biodiversity that is of national and international significance. I must say, though, that it is heartening to note that most years, provinces increase will, their over budgets the for next three conservation, 26 June 2001 Page 31 of 256 some even up to 40%. I believe that this stated commitment needs to supported by the NCOP, and the provinces should be asked to report on steps they are taking to protect biodiversity. I think initially there was not sufficient realisation in provinces that provincial parks and provincial conversation areas are some of the most important assets that provinces have and, if properly managed, can serve to encourage economic activity and create jobs. We hope to publish draft biodiversity legislation towards the end of this year, which will set certain minimum standards for conservation and biodiversity management, and aim to ensure that the heritage of our beautiful country is protected for generations to come. In some areas progress is commendable. Since 1994 this country parks at has both incorporating the established national 155 and 000 a total of 26 provincial hectares that new level, I spoke about into conservation. Other developments worth noting are the signing of the memorandum of understanding for the establishment of the MalotiDrakensberg Transfrontier Conservation and 26 June 2001 Page 32 of 256 Development Area between South Africa and Lesotho just two weeks ago; the advance preparations for the establishment of the Gaza-Kruger-Gonarezhou Transfrontier Park between South Africa, Mozambique and Zimbabwe; the consolidation of the Greater St Lucia Wetlands Park, under the World Heritage Authority, including some 280 000 ha of marine and coastal land, and the addition of approximately 7 000 ha of land, which up to now has been under Safcol commercial forestry; the addition of three parks to the National Parks since 1994, and the addition of 74 000 ha to the Addo Elephant National Park, 77 000 hectares to the Karoo National Park and 50 000 to Marakele National Park. This is an indication of our seriousness about conservation and our resolve to maximise its contribution to the upliftment of the poor. Tourism is one of the key economic growth sectors identified by the President in his state-of-thenation address this year. Many towns, townships and rural areas around our country have already taken advantage of the benefits of tourism and are using their local heritage to create jobs and make 26 June 2001 Page 33 of 256 development happen. Local and provincial governments' role in building our tourism economy is extremely important. The emergence of local tourism forums and initiatives around the country highlights the fact that many communities want to own the tourism dream. With this amount of support for our policies on tourism, we can conclude that the Welcome campaign is beginning to take root amongst the people of South Africa. Over the last year we have spoken about changing the face of tourism. The role of provinces in making this a reality cannot be overemphasised. The role of local tourism is government critical in in promoting ensuring township that the participation of black entrepreneurs in the tourism industry is enhanced. I would like to take this opportunity provinces for supported represented indaba to held express the manner emerging for in my the gratitude in black first Durban in which to all the provinces enterprises time April at to the this nine be tourism year. We experienced a 300% to 400% increase in the number of black-owned enterprises represented there, 26 June 2001 largely Page 34 of 256 as a result of the support and encouragement given by the provinces. We are also encouraged by the interest that the SA Local Government operating with everybody's discuss a structures Association my department business. whole in has Salga range order to of taken to make has co- tourism undertaken issues give in to within practical its effect to policy programmes to promote tourism growth. At a national level we are working to bring more visitors to the country and to boost tourism demand for the wide array of cultural, natural and other beauties of this country. The benefits of tourism flow directly to communities and have become the cement for building a better life for all our people. I call on all spheres of government and communities to act now to build the tourism dream for our country, a wonder that lies waiting. Addressing poverty is critical to sustaining a high-quality coastal environment from which South Africa draws significant social and economic benefits. All spheres of government, including the 26 June 2001 Page 35 of 256 private sector have a significant role to play in promoting the sustainable use of coastal resources. The department has embarked on a number of initiatives in excess of R150 million through its partnership programme called Coast Care. This investment has been significantly bolstered by the recently concluded contribution of R50 million from the UK's Department for International Development over the next three years to support a sustainable coastal livelihoods programme. Key focus areas of the mentioned programme include piloting public and private sector strategies to create and promote sustainable coastal livelihoods for the poor and building national institutional capacity to support sustainable coastal development. Provision has been made to build the capacity at provincial level, with the appointment of regional co-ordinators. Despite the above plans, there are those in society who have taken to plundering our coastal resources through poaching, the destruction of our coastline by the building of illegal cottages or the driving 26 June 2001 Page 36 of 256 of vehicles on beaches. However, we have decided that we are going to act while we can. Last week the Directorate of Public Prosecutions announced the seizure of approximately 25 tons of Patagonian Toothfish and rock lobster that allegedly was being fished illegally and exported by a private company. We will see more arrests and confiscations in the next few months as a result of much improved cooperation with the law enforcement agencies in our country. However, the co-operation of coastal provinces and towns in compliance is critical. The close department working and relationship KwaZulu-Natal between Wildlife has my meant that we are able to provide effective policing and control of all fishing and coastal activities in the province. We are funding this activity through a contract with KwaZulu-Natal Wildlife, paid out of the revenues of the Marine Living Resources Fund. This year we will negotiate similar contracts with the Western Cape, Northern Cape and Eastern Cape provinces, and aim to establish a coast-to-coast comprehensive enforcement regime. The designation of fishery control officer posts in provincial and 26 June 2001 Page 37 of 256 local authorities is already in progress and these staff members are assisting departmental law enforcement officials with compliance operations on a regular, well-co-ordinated and well-planned basis. Working for the Coast is a flagship programme of the department, funding. financed This through capacity-building poverty relief programme is structured around developing participants' literacy levels, business knowledge. skills Currently 1 350 and people environmental are employed, covering about 60% of the coast. The department has committed projects R20 along million the to funding coast during poverty this relief financial year. By the year 2004 we plan to generate 5 000 direct jobs per annum in support of the implementation of the White Paper for Sustainable Coastal Development in South Africa, targeting priority areas such as the Eastern Cape. 26 June 2001 Page 38 of 256 The Blue Flag campaign is an international scheme that rewards local authorities for providing safe and clean beaches and marinas. A blue flag is awarded annually to beaches and marinas that meet environmental, amenity and safety criteria. Currently, the Blue Flag campaign in South Africa is in its second and final pilot phase with 14 participating locations. If this pilot phase is successful, South Africa will be the first country outside Europe to become a member of the scheme. The department has committed R1,2 million as seeding finance for the programme. Sustainability will be achieved participating this comes result of through locations, from the an and operating the increased tourism association with fee for motivation for revenue the Blue as a Flag campaign. This year has seen the department move forward with the implementation of the Marine Living Resources Act for subsistence fishers in all four coastal provinces. Where a large number of fishers could be accommodated, such as in the subsistence fishery 26 June 2001 for West Northern Page 39 of 256 Coast Cape, rock which lobster had in over the 1 500 Western and entrants in 2001, the plight of poor coastal communities was eased significantly. In the Western Cape access to the abalone resource is currently going ahead for a further 200 applicants. In the Eastern Cape, permits to harvest abalone have been issued in two sites, Hamburg and the East London area, and access to other highvalue species such as East Coast rock lobster and oysters has been granted to several hundred fishers on the Wild Coast. In KwaZulu-Natal management of all subsistence fishing is currently being done by the provincial authority supported department. harvesting subsistence In is all for fisher financially areas direct and his and by the provinces consumption or national her where of the family, the challenge facing the department is to ensure that continued access to resources remains sustainable. 26 June 2001 The Page 40 of 256 Johannesburg world summit to be held in September next year presents us with an enormous challenge, but also a unique opportunity. The eyes of the world will be focused on us as we play host to over 100 heads of state and at least 50 000 delegates. We have to ensure that Johannesburg is not just meaning about for the empty promises, poor of the but has world. It concrete is our challenge to mobilise communities to make an input in shaping the agenda of this summit. Logistical preparations for the summit are at an advanced stage. Just two weeks ago the UN inspection team that visited Johannesburg expressed satisfaction with the level of preparations. The imminent hosting of the international conference of local issues in South Africa is an ideal opportunity to build up to the summit with a sense of the concrete discussions about sustainable development that must be at the core of the world summit. 26 June 2001 Involving our Page 41 of 256 constituencies in preparations for the summit is the best way to honour the confidence shown by the UN in bestowing this responsibility on our country. I therefore wish to call on the NCOP to assist us in this regard, and facilitate debates and discussions on this summit and its preparations, not only in this House, but also in the provincial legislatures and in local councils. In conclusion, I would like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to the MECs of the nine provinces for the high degree of co- operation I have received from them over the past year. I also wish to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to the select committee of the NCOP and Moatshe, its for chairperson, the valuable the Reverend Peter contribution they continue to make to the work of the Ministry and the department. [Applause.] Moruti P MOATSHE: Rre moradisi, motlotlegi Tona ya Lefapha la Merero ya Tikologo le Bojanala, maloko a a kgethegileng farologaneng, go ditona tswa tsa kwa dikgaolong dikgaolo, tse maloko a di a 26 June 2001 tlotlegang Tikologo Page 42 of 256 a le Ntlo eno, Bojanala, Lefapha bana la ba Merero gaetsho ya le bokgaitsadi, ka re Pula! Re setse re bone tsela eo motlotlegi Tona Valli Moosa a tsosolositseng bojanala ba naga eno, le go bo tlhatlhosa ka go tsenya mooko mo marapong ka tsamaiso e e tlhwatlhwa ya mokgwa o o kgethegileng. O kgonne maloba go e e dikhutshwane. retolola neng A e tla bojanala mo kgetholola ka bojanala tsamaisong ba ba jo bonang ya dikobo le motswako o o nang le meribo ya setso le tlhago ya bana ba mmala wa sebilo. Tona Valli Moosa gape a re, phokoje go tshela yo o dithetsenyane. Metsesetoropo, metseselegae, le tota kwa batho ba itlhomileng teng, mafelo a a fetogile a a tlhwatlhwa a bojanala mo nageng ya rona. Baeti ba na le tshono ya go etela mafelo a a neng a sa etelwe mo nakong ya tlhabololotlhaolele. Diphetogo tse, di gwetlha baagi botlhe ba Aforika Borwa go tsaya karolo mo katolosong le tlhabololo ya bojanala. Motswana a re, kodumela moepathutsi ga go 26 June 2001 na lehumo Page 43 of 256 le le tswang gaufi. (Translation of Tswana paragraphs follows.) [Rev P MOATSHE: Chairperson, hon Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism, delegates from different provinces, premiers, members of this House, the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism, my brothers and sisters, greetings! We have already seen how the hon Minister Valli Moosa has country revived through and his uplifted hard tourism work and in this remarkable management style. He managed to change tourism from what it used to be in the past, discriminating against the poor. His tourism projects now include African traditional rhythms and culture. Minister Valli Moosa also said that one has to work hard in order to succeed. Townships, settlements rural have areas and become even remarkable informal tourist attractions in our country. Tourists now have the opportunity to visit areas which were not visited during the apartheid regime. These changes 26 June 2001 challenge Page 44 of 256 all participate citizens in the of widening South and Africa to development of tourism. An old saying goes, ``perseverance is the mother of success.''] Through the visionary leadership of the Minister, South Africa has been able to unlock its vast tourism potential to such an extent that we are fast becoming a global player in the tourism industry. Our tourism period. industry Having transformation laid of the is the entering an foundation industry, we can exciting for the now move forward to vigorously promote the growth of this sector. This includes encouraging more people from previously disadvantaged backgrounds to make use of the new opportunities opening up in the industry. But in order for us to proceed along this road, it is important to deal with some of the remaining obstacles, such as racism in the industry and the lack of tourism infrastructure in some of our poorer provinces. These two factors have made it 26 June 2001 Page 45 of 256 difficult for black people to really take advantage of the opportunities in the tourism sector. The number through of people the red entrepreneurs from industry already is tape have too that managed that making still warned who it low. the to hinders in Some industry the cut black tourism experts may have become unsustainable if we do not make it more inclusive. Despite these warnings, there are still people and political parties who industry is the sole September of last year, government in the think that preserve the Western New the of whites. NP-DP Cape, tourism for In coalition example, organised a tourism indaba in Cape Town that was addressed and attended by almost exclusively white delegates. How on earth can one discuss the future of tourism and the challenges facing the industry in the absence of people who constitute the majority of the Western Cape's population? Some of invented these new white tourism strategies such companies as have even rent-a-black to 26 June 2001 Page 46 of 256 give a nonracial appearance to their companies, yet there is no equity between whites and blacks in the companies. Those who deny that racism still exists in the industry Commission has are been dishonest. called upon The on Human a Rights number of occasions to investigate charges of racism by some tourist resorts. The racism of some South African tourism companies has even been felt as far away as Mozambique. On 16 April this year Mozambique's top tourist official accused a South African tourist company in the Gasa province of racism, for having put up notices at their resorts which read, and I quote, ``No entry for Mozambican children.'' Children of foreign tourists, including South Africans, were, however, allowed in the resorts. Tourism is commonly accepted as the one sector with the greatest potential for job creation. However, the sector needs to be completely deracialised if it is to realise its job creation potential. It should have, as one of its key objectives, the encouragement of real black economic empowerment, 26 June 2001 Page 47 of 256 instead of the rent-a-black strategy followed by some white tourism companies. The other big problem inhibiting the growth of the tourism sector tourism is the skewed infrastructure, distribution such as of transport, amenities and other supportive services. Although we have very good tourism infrastructure, this is mostly found in traditional destinations such as Kruger Johannesburg, National infrastructure destinations Durban, Park. is such as Northern Province. tourism to The found the northern limits area Town same not This this Cape the level of in the and and parts emerging of dispersal other the of emerging destinations, which are gifted with an abundance of the new ecotourism types and of tourism culture, which products are fast such as becoming favourite tourist attractions. For a province such as the Northern Province, which has great tourism potential, it is essential that we accelerate the provision of tourism 26 June 2001 Page 48 of 256 infrastructure in our emerging destinations. The North West province also has a great potential in tourism. There are great plans in the pipeline for this sector. This will greatly enhance the speeding up of tourism development projects, such as the Bakenburg tourism development project, the Blouberg cultural village and hiking trail, the Bolobedu cultural village and the Hatsama Dam cultural village. The select committee on land and environmental affairs will continue to support Government in its efforts to rid the tourism industry of the obstacles which prevent the industry from realising its full potential. This includes not only support for tourism ensuring development, that our but tourism also support industry in develops responsibly. A key aspect of our tourism development strategy is to make sure that it will be able to sustain future generations. This means looking at the impact of increased tourism on our ecosystem. I am pleased to 26 June 2001 Page 49 of 256 say that our Government is aware of the potential harm which may be caused to our environment through increased tourism. integrated which pollution will strategy It serve to deal as has and a with already waste management holistic the developed and harmful an policy integrated effects of pollution and waste disposal, including those that may be caused by tourism. Modulasetilo, motlotlegi Tonakgolo Valli Moosa, tikologo ya lefatshe la rona la Aforika Borwa e botlhokwa go tsholwa sentle go feta mo malobeng. Go tlhokega dithuto tse di ka tsibosang baagi ba naga ka botlhokwa ba tikologo e e leng ya bona. Baagi ba tshwanetse go ila leswe, mme go nne le metseletsele ya diphephafatso go kgabaganya naga ya rona ya Aforika Borwa jaaka Tona a setse a kaile. Moradise, a go dirwe melao e e tla laolang gore tikologo e tshwanetse go tsholwa jang. Se, se ka tlhatlhosa maemo a bojanala fa tikologo ya rona e le phepa, e bogega, e bile e ratega. (Translation of Tswana paragraphs follows.) 26 June 2001 Page 50 of 256 [It is now more important to take care of the South African environment than it was in the past. There is a need importance to of educate the conserving community their about the environment. The community must stop littering, and there should be antilittering campaigns throughout South Africa, as the hon the Minister has already indicated. There should be laws governing the conservation of our environment. A clean and attractive environment would elevate the standard of tourism in our thank the country.] I want Minister to take for his this opportunity co-operation to with the select committee; that cannot be left unmentioned. We want to wish the Minister and the department an energetic time in future, as we move into the 21st century, so that the environment and tourism sector takes up the challenge and makes an impact upon the entire world. I want to thank the department in particular, the members of the select committee and the provinces 26 June 2001 Page 51 of 256 as we interact with them as the NCOP from this end. I want to thank those who are present here: the MECs, chairpersons and special delegates. Ka mafoko a ka re, pula a e ne! [Legofi.] [With those few words, I wish all members prosperity. [Applause.]] Dr E MECs A CONROY: for Chairperson, environmental hon affairs Minister and Moosa, colleagues, virtually all, if not all, religions and cultures accept that nature was created by the Almighty for His creatures to enjoy and to benefit from all its different facets: nature in the form of earth, water, plants and animals, of which we, as human beings, are the custodians and which we have a sacred responsibility to protect and cherish. The DEPUTY Mushwana): CHAIRPERSON Order! Can OF you THE NCOP speak (Mr into microphone, hon member? Dr E A CONROY: Must I start all over again? M L your 26 June 2001 The DEPUTY Page 52 of 256 CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Mr M L Mushwana): The clock is ticking. Dr E A CONROY: We do so also for the sake of our children and our children's children until the end of time. It is therefore necessary that we should have some sort of mechanism that will unite our efforts to protect manage our it God-given in a natural sustainable heritage way. That and to mechanism exists in South Africa in the form of the Ministry and the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism. The strategic approaches of the department to performing this very important task placed on its shoulders through and the are sustainable protection resources; through the the promotion economic development; of our empowerment participation, capacity-building, of the natural of utilisation and all environmental research and growth our cultural people education, information services; the conservation of nature; the creation 26 June 2001 Page 53 of 256 of a better living environment and the improvement of the present and future quality of life; the building of a common patriotism and pride in our natural heritage; potential These of a and the better objectives unlocking life deserve for our of all the our full people. appreciation and applause. It is reassuring to know that, in terms of the National Environmental environmental impact Management assessments Act of 1998, are not only needed, but insisted upon, before the construction, upgrading and development of cableways, electricity power stations and nuclear reactors; roads, airfields, railways, marinas and harbours; canals, channels, dams, weirs, reservoirs and bulk water supply schemes; sewage treatment plants and refuse disposal sites; and public and private resorts, including rezoning and changes in land use. It is also reassuring to know that we have officials and elected public representatives who do not hesitate and are indeed prepared to stand up and strictly enforce and apply these environmental 26 June 2001 protection and Page 54 of 256 instruments constructed in against the structures name of erected so-called development, like the recent well-publicised case in the Tygerberg. The Minister also assures us that the department will not hesitate to legally pursue and order the tearing down of illegal structures and will insist on the rehabilitation of the land to its previous state. It is reassuring also in the sense that, with these measures in place, we can at least sleep with one eye closed. Soos met enige saak, is daar sekere aspekte in die werksaamhede van die departement wat kritiek verdien. Ek verwys spesifiek na die hantering van die sake van die Nasionale Krugerwildtuin. Agb lede moet my verskoon as ek my kritiek baseer op inligting wat ek uit die pers moes kry, aangesien die Parkeraad se beamptes dit blykbaar nie nodig genoeg gevind het om die Gekose Omgewingsake eerstehands in te lig nie. Komitee oor 26 June 2001 Bewerings Page 55 of 256 word gemaak van korrupsie, afdankings, swak administrasie en 'n grootskaalse verkwisting van geld. Die hoof uitvoerende beampte het byvoorbeeld onlangs teenoor ons erken dat hy nie toegang tot die dienste van 'n finansiële amptenaar het nie en dat hy een oggend wakker geword het met die skokkende ontdekking dat die Nasionale Parkeraad finansieel in die rooi is. Is dié aspek intussen al reggestel of word daar nog in finansiële duisternis rondgetas? (Translation of Afrikaans paragraphs follows.) [Like with every issue, there are certain aspects in the functioning of the department that deserve criticism. I refer specifically to the handling of the issues relating to the Kruger National Park. Hon members should excuse me if I base my criticism on information which I had to get from the press, because officials of the Parks Board did not see their way clear to informing the Select Committee on Environmental Affairs on a first-hand basis. 26 June 2001 Page 56 of 256 Allegations of fraud, dismissals, poor administration and extensive squandering of money are being made. The chief executive officer for instance admitted to us recently that he does not have access awoke one realisation to a financial morning that and the officer came to National and the Parks that he shocking Board was financially in the red. Has this aspect been rectified in the meantime or are they still groping in the financial darkness?] According to the Sunday Times, antipoaching units and research projects at the Kruger National Park are under threat as the park's workforce is being reduced by 33%. It is furthermore reported that unions have warned that: ... conditions at the park have deteriorated, with camps dirty and toilets broken ahead of the winter holiday season. The warning comes as the park faces growing financial problems and declining visitor figures. 26 June 2001 The Page 57 of 256 Minister might wish to react to these allegations which have been made in the press in view of the fact that the National Parks Board has, despite several requests to do so, not seen its way open to enlightening the select committee of this House on a first-hand basis. In conclusion, I would like to propose that the title of officer'' ``chief be honorary conferred on marine the conservation Minister in recognition for his commendable management of the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism. Mrs Z T Minister SEBEKEDI (North and members hon West): of Chairperson, this august hon House, allow me to reiterate the point that the Government budget is a policy implementing tool. People need to understand that this specific Budget Vote has the primary purpose of facilitating and implementing policies, plans and legislation that will lead the tourism industry towards delivering growth and prosperity to all South Africans while ensuring the responsible and sustainable 26 June 2001 Page 58 of 256 utilisation of natural and cultural resources. The department should co-ordinate provincial governments and regarding all liaise aspects with of tourism development. Tourism is a highly complex industry characterised by a huge variety of heterogeneous role-players, stakeholders and beneficiaries who differ in their organisation, style, functions and objectives. This necessitates close collaboration between the public and private sector and organised civil society, which local government is an integral part of. It is thus necessary to identify component parts of this complicated industry in order to effectively manage it and understand the optimum role that each one has to play. A lack of understanding of market profiles and behavioural patterns provides the inherent danger of allocating unsustainable strategies. resources markets and and product efforts to development 26 June 2001 The North Page 59 of 256 West is cognisant of the available opportunity offered by tourism and has identified the requirement for market intelligence that informs appropriate market and product development strategies. As people's needs and desires change over time, it is develop products demand, especially also important according when to it to alter changes comes to in and market placing the focus on the domestic market, which has a potential to act as a buffer to counter the inevitable and unpredictable fluctuations in international tourism. Our Constitution clearly provides for the functioning of local tourism and beaches, amusement facilities and municipal parks and recreation, which are functions associated with tourism, but fall under local authorities. This highlights the need for close co-operation in this respect. strategies tourism National should activities governance. The be and provincial closely for the aligned sake opportunity of tourism with local co-operative exists for 26 June 2001 Page 60 of 256 municipalities to create revenue-generating activities through tourism projects. But the place newly an demarcated additional areas of jurisdiction financial burden on municipalities as they have to administer larger areas, including rural areas within their areas of jurisdiction, and all potential revenue-generating sources are explored at local level. So could Big Brother - I mean our department here and sister departments at provincial level please be so kind as to give support to municipalities that have marketing strategies aimed at introducing their local areas to potential tourists and investors? Municipalities are in the remarkable position of being able to have a direct impact on the local economy as they have a resource base large enough to plan and implement positive interventions, including tourism promotion. economic 26 June 2001 When it Page 61 of 256 comes to environmental affairs, our concerns are about existing legislation regarding waste management in South Africa. It is generally fragmented, diverse and ineffectively administered. The responsibility for executing waste management functions and the enforcement of the current wasterelated legislation are not always clear as they are spread over a number of national, provincial and local government departments. This unsatisfactory situation is compounded by the fact that the purposes definition of of ``waste'', environmental for the conservation, specifically excludes radioactive, mining and power plant waste. Environment This should Conservation be Act. corrected The in the co-ordinated management of these waste streams is an area of particular concern and requires detailed attention, especially regarding integrating and institutional consolidating issues current and permit requirements. The impact of poor waste management, conditions and practices on the health of people living in our 26 June 2001 Page 62 of 256 rural areas is significant in terms of the quality of life and the education and development opportunities of our communities. The lack of or inappropriately range of inadequately designed pollution risks maintained systems to the or constitutes environment a and there are quite a number of places in the North West that need to be urgently attended to in this regard. I commend leadership progress this of that department, Minister it has Valli made in under Moosa, its the for able the transformation process. I wish them good luck and success in all their endeavours to achieve their objectives. We support the approval of this Budget Vote. [Applause.] Mrs A M VERSFELD: Dankie, Voorsitter. [Thank you, Chairperson.] 26 June 2001 Page 63 of 256 The theme of the Minister's Budget Vote on 29 May, as it is today, was that we must act while we can. Since the Minister delivered his speech on 29 May, two very important things have happened. First, on 16 June South Africa became the first associate member from outside Europe to have Blue Flag accreditation. In the Minister's own words: ``This strong commitment from national Government is important as Blue Flag is regarded as a national flagship towards the implementation of the White Paper for sustainable coastal development.'' Secondly, at the beginning of this month, we had our Coast However, Care there is Environment Week one town coastal celebration. on the West Coast which has no reason for celebration, because of severe erosion of its beach. The relic coastline indicates that if the status quo exists, the sea would take about half of the town. This town is Langebaan, a Ramsar site and part of the newly proposed West Coast biosphere reserve, and thus of enormous site, the international lagoon importance. supports dense As a Ramsar populations of 26 June 2001 Page 64 of 256 molluscs and crustaceans, as well as 71 species of marine algae. The lagoon is also the nursery for the development of juvenile fish and gobies, klipfish, pipefish, skates, rays and small sharks, including 15 regular Palaearctic migrants. The extensive intertidal area of the lagoon supports up to 55 000 water birds in summer, most of which are waders. I think there are approximately 23 species. There are a number of significant economic activities in the bay that are directly dependent on the wellbeing of the lagoon system, notably the Langebaan community, the West Coast National Park, mariculture activities, Mykonos, the navy, and the special forces. Langebaan and plays tourist host to facilities significant on the West recreational Coat. The northern beach, which has been the focus of the erosion, is an internationally renowned launching area for windsurfing and kite surfing, activities which attract tourists, mainly from Europe, who consider Langebaan to be one of the world's best windsurfing sites. 26 June 2001 Page 65 of 256 Ek wil vinnig 'n bietjie agtergrond gee van die situasie. In 1960 was die strandwydte van die Langebaan-strandmeer 160 m. Dertig jaar later was die wydte presies die helfte minder, naamlik 80 m. Die tempo van erosie het met die jare dramaties begin versnel, en in so 'n mate dat die 80 m wat oor was in die laaste sewe jaar verdwyn het. Erger nog is dat feitlik die helfte van hierdie 80 m sedert 1994 verdwyn het. Die erodering veroorsaak nou weer 'n opbou van sand in ander gedeeltes van die strandmeer wat tot nadeel strek van die ekologie deurdat getykanale se natuurlike vloei geaffekteer word. Genoemde faktore was dan ook die oorsaak dat 'n rotsmuur as 'n tydelike noodoplossing gebou is om die dorp van 'n ramp te red, want 75% van Langebaan-Noord lê 1 m bo seespieël en 50% van Langebaan se strandfront - huise en erwe - is dus in onmiddellike gevaar. Verlede jaar is die rotsmuur met 'n verdere 260 m verleng, maar nou vind erosie ook onder die seeoppervlakte plaas en bedreig dit die toon van die rotsmuur deurdat 'n 3 m-sloep voor die muur gevorm 26 June 2001 Page 66 of 256 het wat die vooroor ineenstorting van die rotsmuur tot gevolg kan hê. (Translation of Afrikaans paragraphs follows.) [I quickly want to give some background on the situation. In 1960 the beach width of the Langebaan lagoon was 160m. Thirty years later the width of the lagoon was exactly half of that, namely 80m. The rate of dramatically erosion had through the started years to and accelerate to such an extent that the 80m that was left totally vanished over the last seven years. Even worse is the fact that almost half of this 80m has vanished since 1994. The erosion now creates a build-up of sand in other parts of the lagoon that is to the detriment of the ecology because some of the tidal channels' natural flow has been affected. The said factors were the reason why a rock wall has been built as a temporary emergency measure to save the town from a disaster, because 75% of Langebaan-North is 1m above sea level and 50% of Langebaan's beachfront houses and plots - were thus in immediate danger. 26 June 2001 Page 67 of 256 Last year the rock wall was lengthened by a further 260m, but now erosion is also taking place underneath the sea surface and it is threatening the base of the rock wall because a 3m gully has formed in front of the rock wall which can result in a forward collapse of the wall.] I would like to say to the Minister that we must act while beach we erosion can. are The exact unknown. reasons However, for a severe number of factors, some anthropogenic and some natural, are thought to have contributed to this problem. For example, the above-average occurrence of high- intensity northwest winds during winter, changes in the size and position of the sandbanks south of Skaapeiland, changes in the shape of the channel carrying the ebb tide from the lagoon between Skaapeiland and the mainland, the repositioning of the sand thereby sediment, shoal to preventing which a more the could southerly natural replenish location, recycling the beach, of past dredging of sand northwest of Skaapeiland during 1975-76 and activities at the Saldanha Bay port may 26 June 2001 Page 68 of 256 have influenced the broader Saldanha Bay system. But what has been done? The coastal engineers were tasked with investigating a more permanent solution presented in an interim report in 1999. In March 2000 the local authority commissioned a scoping study to identify the long-term options - those presented by coastal engineers and other stakeholders. Part of this process was a specialist workshop to assess the situation and consider proposals. This workshop was held on 9 to 11 May and was attended by local and international specialists with international experience models and in the local in specialists knowledge, sediment construction of with transport groynes; and experts like Dr Ida Broker from Denmark, who is the head of the coastal engineering department of the Danish Hydraulic Institute, and Prof Christopher Flemming, an internationally recognised expert in coastal engineering and coastal management. 26 June 2001 It is Page 69 of 256 important to note that the natural equilibrium of the beach has changed dramatically, and the proposal from the experts is to work with nature and to realign the beach. For the first time there is consensus between local and international experts, which is supported by the local community, on the way that the beach should be restored. There is also sufficient precedent to show that a groyne is effective in creating a pocket beach that is, movement putting and the sand trapping it back through there. water Judging by international experience and studies to date, there are very few, aesthetically if any, pleasing and negatives. a tourist It can be attraction, like the old pier in Cape Town and the jetty in the Strand. To end off, the permanent solution will cost approximately R20 million. The critical need is to protect the existing infrastructure - houses, roads and storm-water services - and to ensure that the revetment is adequately maintained to provide protection for this winter. The proposed permanent 26 June 2001 solutions Through Page 70 of 256 should be different government, the started agencies, National with for immediately. example Disaster Fund local and the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism the Coast Care fund which the Minister has just mentioned - we should be able to save Langebaan. Only when it is seen to be the concern of Government can one look for outside funding. I am sure the Minister would agree with me that the problem is obviously far greater than a local authority or province can be expected to cope with. Already an amount of R4,8 million has been spent that could and should have been channelled into projects for growth. I am sure the Minister will also agree with me that there is a need to ensure that the integrity of an internationally protected Ramsar site is not compromised and that we must act while we can, before it is too late. [Applause.] Nkk J N VILAKAZI: Sihlalo ohloniphekileyo, mhlonishwa ungqongqoshe wezeMvelo nezokuNgcebeleka neNdlu Sikhuluma yonke ehloniphekileyo, ngezemvelo, okungubuhle usuku lobu oluhle. esabuphiwa 26 June 2001 Page 71 of 256 nguMdali. Kuba siyabubona yini kithi-ke na, ukuthi siyabazisa lobu nje, buhle sibuvikela kanjani ekonakaleni nasekushabalaleni ukuze bungabi yize leze noma bube udoti nje, into engabhekeki. Ake sibheke nje kancane izifundazwe ezidume ngayo le mvelo. IKapa lidume nge-Table Mountain, amagilebhisi enza iwayini, ulwandle oluhlangana eCape Point, i-Robben Island nokunye ongakucabanga. Konke lokhu nokukugcina kudinga imali kusesimeni eshisiwe esihle ukukunakekela sokuheha izivakashi uma zizongcebeleka. IKwaZulu-Natali idume ngamahlathi, umoba nolwandle olugudla ugu nezithelo saKwaZulu-Natali imfuyo, izilwane eziningi. siluhlaza nabantu. cwe. Indawo Isifundazwe Uhlaza luheha eluhlaza nje inhle. Izifundazwe zonke zinomlando wazo wezemvelo. Ezinye zidume imithi ngemigede nezihlahla yazo, ezidumile, amatshe anomlando, angazi ngingabala ngithini. Egameni le-IFP, lo Mnyango udinga imali ezokwazi ukwenza eliphezulu le lokuheha mvelo igcineke izivakashi. Lo iseqophelweni Mnyango ukuze 26 June 2001 uthole Page 72 of 256 umnotho othe xaxa, udinga isabelo semali esithe xaxa. IKwaZulu-Natali idume ngokuba isifundazwe esiphambili ekuheheni izivakashi ngobuhle baso. Uma kodwa kuthiwa ibuye ezinobuphofu, lokhu ongathi kufakwa uma kusho ibalwe ukuthi izimali nezifundazwe kunomcebo kulungiswe nje imvelo esinayo kule ndawo, ukhule kakhulu. (Translation of Zulu paragraphs follows.) [Mrs J N VILAKAZI: Chairperson, hon Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism and the House at large, this is a good day since we are talking about nature, something that God has given us. It always depends on us how we realise, celebrate and protect this beauty so that it cannot disappear and be damaged and even become nothing but rubbish that one will not want to look at. Let us take a look at the provinces that are known for the beauty of our nature. The Western Cape is known for Table Mountain and grapes out of which wine is made. It is also known for having a point 26 June 2001 Page 73 of 256 at which two oceans join. It is known for Robben Island and many other things you can think of. All these things need a lot of money to protect and keep them at a level that will attract tourists. The KwaZulu-Natal province is known for its forests, sugar cane, the ocean that moves along the coast and many kinds of fruit. This province is completely green. This is what attracts people, reared and wild animals. A green land is beautiful. All provinces have a history about their nature. Some are known for their strongholds, historical rocks, popular trees, and I do not know what else to add. In the name of the IFP, this department needs money that will enable it to protect this nature at a level that will attract tourists. This department should be given enough funds so that it will be able to develop the economy. The KwaZulu-Natal province is known for attracting tourist because of its beauty. Since it is grouped under poor provinces, this means that there is an economy that will grow if we put more money into it and nurture the nature that we have.] 26 June 2001 Page 74 of 256 Chairperson, hon Minister and members of Parliament, South Africa enjoys the highest level of biodiversity in the world. Our parks, mountains, rivers, wetlands, wild animals and flowers and the 15 000 rock art sites that we have inherited are our pride and the property of the generations to come. From the economic point of view, its value is beyond calculation. Our country's rich heritage is vast and staggering in its proportions. For example, over 3 700 species occur in South Africa and nowhere else in the world. The Cape floral region is so unique that it has been designated as one of the six kingdoms. No other country is host to the entire plant kingdom. Tourism, more than any other sector of the economy, holds the potential to create jobs and stimulate economic growth. The growing demand for cultural tourism proud provides history renaissance. the and opportunity promote to reclaim nation-building our and 26 June 2001 Page 75 of 256 In conclusion, the IFP extends its gratitude to the Minister and members of his department for the professional and dedicated work that they have done so far in this field. I also wish to take this opportunity to call all members of this House to join the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism in the rewarding campaign to protect and restore South Africa's proud natural heritage. I urge all hon members, for the sake of the tourism industry and for their own sakes, to take a long and extended holiday. [Applause.] Mr G C Minister, ADAMS (Western colleagues and Cape): Chairperson, members, I am going hon to stop short of actually agreeing with my colleague to giving the hon the Minister an honorary award. Nevertheless, I think that he has done a fine job so far. I would like to tell the hon the Minister that we are now seven years into the miracle birth of a new nation. It may not have been an immaculate conception, but a miracle birth it was. Seven years after democracy, the prevailing and inescapable 26 June 2001 Page 76 of 256 dynamic that confronts the national Government is its failure to deliver to the most marginalised and disadvantaged communities. Failure to deliver to the people is what is driving politics today. We continue fisher to hear folk in of a pensioners poor and dying desperate in queues; situation trying to make a living from the sea; budgets in key delivery portfolios underspent; wide-scale corruption, and so on. Whilst other ministerial portfolios have done much worse, Environmental Affairs and Tourism has done relatively well, but should not escape criticism. Whilst I congratulate Minister Moosa, who clearly has the spirit and energy to succeed, for his good ideas and determination in getting delivery on the ground, I cannot escape the conclusion that he has also failed the people. I say this because very little has changed for the poorest and most marginalised people through the policies of the national department. The Minister's policies still do not have the support of the subsistence fisher folk who continue to survive on 26 June 2001 the scraps Page 77 of 256 of the industry. The lot of the subsistence fisher folk has worsened and many can now no longer urbanisation are live off their the only sea. refuge. Crime We, in and the province, unfortunately have to pick up the tab in the form of increased social spending. In his speech in the National Assembly, the Minister quoted Kurlansky, Huxley and others. Once again, one hears writers talking these about the erudite lot philosophical of the ordinary people of whom they know nothing and never have known anything. He should forget about what the philosophers and social commentators tell him and go and listen to the fisher folk. He should go and see what life is like for them. He should go up to the west coast, small rural villages and hamlets and listen to the people, and not listen to Huxley, who tells him not to listen to the people. I would like to tell the hon the Minister that nobody is suggesting that we can fish our way out of poverty or that the resource is limitless. We indeed applaud him and his department for 26 June 2001 Page 78 of 256 protecting the fish resources and any increase in the total allowable catch. To achieve this we must, obviously, eliminate poaching. In the light of the events of the past week, we must congratulate the Minister on tackling not only the small poachers through Operation poachers business, raids by who, under deplete the Neptune, our the but mantle resources Scorpions also of by big respectable the confirm the a ton. The long-held suspicion that the established fishing industry is as culpable of poaching as the petty criminal. I would like to tell the hon the Minister that we are behind him in his efforts to clean up the industry. In his budget speech, the Minister boasted that 50% of the rights issued in the pelagic sector are now black-owned. Without going into the integrity of that figure by stripping out the paper quotas, the front companies and the shameful fraud that is being perpetrated in the name of ``black-owned'', I would like to ask the hon the Minister how much of that 50% represents transformation for the really poor and marginalised; and then how much of the 50% represents patronage for the party faithful. In 26 June 2001 effect, the Page 79 of 256 Minister's policies have advantaged those who have access to capital in one form or another. Transformation must be transformation for the benefit of the poorest and most marginalised and not based on race tags, all the more so in that the integrity of the transformation is, in any opportunities for event, in question because of patronage. Ecotourism presents magnificent our communities. I am not talking about the kind of tourism that turns our townships and villages into large open-air zoos, but genuine ecotourism which is authentic in its experience and empowering to our people. This is an alternative to trying to fish our way out of the problems of poverty. We urge the hon the Minister to aggressively promote this sector as well as expand the Working for the Coastline initiative. I must also commend the Minister on his conservation efforts for natural areas. He has good ideas and has made concerted efforts to ensure that we comply with internationally. our obligations, There are, nationally however, and still 26 June 2001 Page 80 of 256 fundamental problems questionable developments because of several in this are area. still uncertainties Highly proceeding in our law. Firstly, we must, as a matter of priority, ensure that law reform, and, in particular, amendments and regulations to the National Environmental Management Act are promulgated. With the conflict of laws and uncertainty as to what the law is we, in the province, are being litigated against by both developers and conservationists. It is a nowin situation that benefits nobody. I would like to ask the hon the Minister to please expedite the process of giving us a clear legal framework. Secondly, as Minister Moosa well knows, Koeberg in the Western Cape has been identified as the preferred site ... [Time expired.] [Applause.] Mr M A SULLIMAN: Chairperson, let me start off by saying that I see that we have little gifts here today. I do not know what this is, but it looks like Mother Earth. If one looks at the gemstones here, they look like tiger's-eye, and I think that 26 June 2001 Page 81 of 256 tiger's-eye comes from the Northern Cape as a province. [Applause.] The national objectives of job creation, economic growth, poverty alleviation and development are the guiding principles programmes economic province of the affairs is objectives. informing Northern and therefore This investment is Cape tourism. used done and the to by policies and department of Tourism achieve focusing in the on infrastructure the above tourism in the underprivileged areas where tourism potential aims to empower previously neglected communities. Given the important contribution which tourism can make in achieving our development objectives, it is essential that we create the kind of conditions, in our province, which will ensure a thriving provincial tourism industry. As a first step, we have critically reviewed the role of the Northern Cape Tourism Authority and came to the conclusion that its prime focus must be to promote and market the province as a tourist 26 June 2001 Page 82 of 256 destination, whilst tourism development should be the responsibility of the department of economic affairs and tourism. Secondly, that we need support have identified immediate and enhance and a number ongoing tourism of issues attention development in to the province, such as community tourism development, a proper communications strategy, closer co-operation with the national Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism, and closer co-operation with the private sector. Community tourism development has been identified as one of the growth sectors of our province which need focused provincial tourism attention and assistance. department has already entrepreneurs and is developing their tourism engaged assisting products. An The local them in excellent example of this is the Didimalang luxury guesthouse in Galeshewe. A peculiar problem experienced in this province is the negative impact which newspapers such as the 26 June 2001 Page 83 of 256 Diamond Fields Advertiser have on the development of tourism in our province. This problem effective has highlighted communications the strategy need to for combat an the negative impact on local thinking which is often fuelled by department our is local newspapers. currently in The provincial discussions with the Northern Cape Tourism Authority to set up a joint communication process to change negative attitudes and promote unity of purpose. In terms of closer co-operation between the provincial and national departments, the province hopes to enlist national support for partnerships that will seek to further develop the province as a tourist destination. At the same time the provincial department is engaging the private sector, most notably De Beers, to venture into a partnership agreement jointly to develop the Big Hole, which is one of the major tourist South attractions Africa. The in the above province, are all as well in short-term 26 June 2001 Page 84 of 256 interventions which the provincial department hopes to accomplish in the next one to two years. The department of economic affairs and tourism has also developed strategies a number around of medium tourism and long-term development in the province. As a medium-term strategy, the department will create a genuine nodal attraction at Kimberley which will provide the province with a solid kickstart for new tourism. The department will empowerment fund empowerment through also that a establish will give a tourism focus to community-public-private partnership approach and provide support to ensure access support to appropriate linked with entrepreneurial national incentives financial as they unfold. The department will also create links with the SA National Parks. Through this link the department hopes to play a role in the development of national parks in the region so as to maximise downstreaming 26 June 2001 business Page 85 of 256 and employment opportunities for the people in the Northern Cape. The Northern Cape Tourism Authority will also build networks airline with and tour operators, hotel groups travel both agents, locally and internationally, and use these networks to drive its own tourism promotion and marketing process. Given the fact that the Northern Cape is not a final destination, develop existing it is important packages for to create travel in or the province and to market these through the networks. This will boost the service and hospitality industries in our province significantly. The long-term interventions will no doubt begin to define themselves as the outcome of growth in the local industry. It is, however, likely that this will be guided by the so-called important to reiterate megatrends of tourism. It is that this exercise needs to be supplemented in order to secure unity 26 June 2001 Page 86 of 256 of purpose as to the way forward for the Northern Cape. As a result, the main long-term intervention should be to implementation support of the specific further tourism planning and development opportunities as identified for each subregion. All of these projects are of such significance that commercial opportunities for the development of new tourism products are anticipated. More importantly, given our aspirations for small, medium and micro enterprise development, a number of these projects look likely to offer opportunities for communitybased tourism initiatives. We in the Northern Cape are therefore in support of the Budget Vote for the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism. If someone is in need of some fresh air and quietness, he or she should come to the Northern Cape province. We have a slogan that says: Follow the sun and not the crowds and you will end up in the Northern Cape. [Applause.] Mr M M MACKENZIE (KwaZulu-Natal): Chairperson, let me first acknowledge the very positive steps that 26 June 2001 Page 87 of 256 are being taken by the Minister to ensure that our environment posterity, assured in so of a its totality that the is main well-managed preserved user, for tourism, biodiversity for is the consumption of visitors. Let me concentrate my limited time on an area which has not yet reached problem status, but will soon do so if we do not act, and that is the recognition of the vulnerability of our parks and protected areas in all provinces to the lack of sustainable policy in regard to the land areas immediately adjacent to our parks and protected areas. It is an inescapable fact that historically local people were alienated from their land in order to establish parks. This has resulted in many land claims over parks and protected areas. It is now necessary to find means of rectifying these socioeconomic imbalances caused by the creation of parks and protected areas. Local people have been denied access to the material benefits which flow from parks. The multiplier effect from tourism in these neighbouring disadvantaged communities has 26 June 2001 Page 88 of 256 been almost nonexistent, and this has resulted in the management and operations within the parks becoming seriously problematic, in a socially and politically hostile environment. Many parks and protected countries are notorious exist between neighbouring results from resources removals the communities. illegal land in developing for the antagonisms that management exacerbated or areas agencies The friction utilisation by a and utilisation; crop usually of history the wildlife of or forced livestock losses from herbivores and large predators; poverty on the outside versus perceived opulence and plenty for tourists and officials inside the fence; the nonaccessibility of arks and protected areas and their amenities and benefits for poor communities; and perceptions among poor communities that only the wealthy benefit. The IUCN recognises that parks and protected areas are ecologically, culturally therefore linked buffer economically, to the zones areas are politically around becoming an them, and and accepted 26 June 2001 Page 89 of 256 norm internationally in both the developed and the developing world. This is to reduce the hard-edge effect of protected areas bordering on community land. Conflict between protected areas and local people is therefore an international phenomenon, but here it is aggravated by the political past. The challenge therefore is to develop a home-grown model based opportunities relations and on local that will result in a circumstances immediately win-win and improve situation for both parties. A proposed strategy exists and is well articulated by Mr Hector Magome of SA National Parks, who has been liberally quoted in this speech of mine. It is therefore viewed as essential that the Minister these can only avail himself of this document. There are overcome risks with expertise. involved the and intelligent These communication caused bureaucratic and risks by use are: heightened political of be available inappropriate expectations; constraints and inadequate advance planning; a lack of detailed and 26 June 2001 patient Page 90 of 256 explanation personnel support and for a lack the of internal recognition and park the incorporation of this philosophy. The success of the whole process will follow the correct application of the principle of inclusion as opposed to exclusion, with the concomitant flow of revenues to the hitherto disadvantaged people. Conservation can survive, but only if people realise that to serve it correctly, all life needs to be nurtured. Lapha enzansi kwezwe ngibona ukuthi amalungu avamise ukudla izinhlanzi. Lapho ngivela khona mina kudliwa inyama. Sithi thina uma amalungu eyithanda inyama kuhle intibane. asivakashele. Imnandi kanjani! Siyofike [Uhleko.] siwosele (Translation of Zulu paragraph follows.) [I have noticed that here in the southern part of the country members of Parliament eat fish. Where I come from people eat meat. What we are saying is, if members of Parliament like meat, they should 26 June 2001 Page 91 of 256 visit us. We will roast intibane [warthog] meat for them. It is so delicious! [Laughter.]] Mr K D S DURR: Chairperson, I wish to speak to the Minister and in particular address the acquisition of land for SA National Parks in the Western Cape. I am speaking now of the West Coast National Park. I wish to raise the matter of a farm called Langefontein, which is a few thousand hectares in extent. This tract of land is currently owned by the Department of Defence, but is superfluous to their requirements, and the ownership of the land is currently under review. SA National Parks, whose land to the north of the mentioned land, east of the R27, is contiguous with Langefontein, has applied for the land, but there are other competing interests. However, the land is central National because to the Parks the long-term that area can is expansion only highly be plans very developed, of SA limited, and will protect the West Coast biosphere. The land can be transferred to SA National Parks at no because it already belongs to the Government. cost, 26 June 2001 Page 92 of 256 The hon the Minister would know that only 1% of West Coast fynbos is left. The rest has gone to the plough, to development or to alien vegetation. The Langefontein land in question is one of the last opportunities the state has to increase the size and the viability of the West Coast National Park and to expand the biodiversity under its span of control. We are Minister correctly the last says, generation, who might as have the these opportunities. Since Langefontein lies to the east of the West Coast National Park, it has slightly better soils and hills, different botanical species and a slightly higher rainfall, and thus would add to the limited opportunity we have for adding to the biodiversity of the park, since the principle reasons why that park has been established are ornithological and botanical in nature. The land has extremely low agricultural potential, but it is rich in botanical species even at its present size. Competing interests that would lead to the subdivision of the land would condemn new owners to poverty. The land can only be grazed by domestic animals for about three months per year 26 June 2001 Page 93 of 256 and is not arable. So, even at its present size it is an uneconomic unit, and to subdivide it into smaller units would simply be condemning any future owners to a life of poverty. The land would provide the opportunity biodiversity and to to increase rare reintroduce rare botanical species of animals. The land also adjoins Elandsfontein. That is the second reason why it is important to acquire this land. It is extensive and the last remaining contiguous with the land park that and is that possibly could ever be integrated into that park. Also, one of those farms, Elandsfontein, has the second oldest human remains in Africa, after Sterkfontein, and there the University of Cape Town has a permanent dig, an archeological site which is of considerable interest and which could add hugely, at some future time, to the enrichment of the park as a whole. This area has high tourism potential and therefore would create employment and make the park more viable, because it will attract more people. Thus the eastern side would be more commercially viable. 26 June 2001 Page 94 of 256 The SA National Parks application is supported by the Western Western Cape Cape worldwide. conservation government There is authorities, and the conservationists considerable interest from around the world and I also hosted World Wildlife Fund people here the other day. I ask the Minister not to let the opportunity slip and I do not think he will. I would like to quote the hon the Minister, who recently said, ``We must act while we can.'' There are very few opportunities left in that area, and none so attractive for conservation. The hon the Minister would know that the park cannot expand to the north. Langebaan lies to the north. It also cannot expand to the south. Ysterfontein lies to the south. It can only expand to the east, and the area to the east is almost arable, so conservation opportunities are very limited, and we are the last generation to have a chance to do something in that super-sensitive, rare and fragile part of the world. I would like to say to the hon the Minister that the matter has been dragging on for months if not years, and everybody would like a settlement and finality to 26 June 2001 Page 95 of 256 the situation so that they can get on with the task of conserving and developing that land and its tourism potential. [Time expired.] Ms Y M NAHARA (KwaZulu-Natal): Madam Chair, I would firstly like to congratulate Minister Valli Moosa and his departmental officials for the good work and the explanations they gave us and for their efforts in producing a budget document for such a diverse Ministry. Those who were in the select committee would understand what I mean. This Budget speech, delivered by the Minister today, will be regarded in KwaZulu-Natal as a document, not just a speech, because it comes at a time when the department of environmental affairs and tourism in KwaZulu-Natal and the nature conservation services are busy working on the restructuring of the NCS, the intention being to improve on the management of our nature conservation reserves and also to improve the standard of services that will attract our visitors when they come to KwaZulu-Natal. The increase in this Budget signals to us greater commitment by the Minister in ensuring that we 26 June 2001 deliver Page 96 of 256 quality services in our respective provinces. In our province, for instance, with its diverse and rich coastline, we are particularly pleased to hear that an amount of R42,5 million has been set development aside for of spatial the environment developmental and the initiatives along the East Coast. We are also encouraged by the increase for environmental and planning co-ordination and marine and coastal development. I want to place emphasis on planning and co-ordination, and hope that coordination between provincial and local government sectors will be addressed so that the roles and responsibilities of these bodies are clear. When one looks at townships and poor rural areas, on the environmental side, what one sees there is really discouraging, especially when we have been in government for seven years. We still have poor people who live under terrible environmental conditions. One is aware of the fact that some of these problems are district responsibilities. However, I think if the Minister could assist, and 26 June 2001 Page 97 of 256 emphasise and reprioritise some of these areas as environmental sites, it would help a lot. It will also make the people see and understand that we are now living under a new government that takes care of all its people. [Applause.] Mr D SILKE (Western Cape): Madam Chair, it is indeed a pleasure for me to enter this debate today on the subject positive of spin-offs tourism. for Tourism all the has so people many of our country that I really do not have to enumerate its many benefits. Therefore it is a real pleasure for me to be Minister here of on behalf business of the Western promotion and Cape's tourism, Minister Leon Markovitz. When dealing with tourism from a Western Cape perspective, let me say that any tourist to the Western Cape is also a tourist to South Africa, and any tourist to the rest of South Africa is also hopefully a tourist to the Western Cape. So I want to talk from an inclusive point of view and just highlight within my concern about South Africa. I tourism want to very address broadly in my 26 June 2001 limited issues Page 98 of 256 time of available getting just tourists one or into two specific South Africa, because I think that is the crucial element that we need to discuss. I want to highlight that one of the most critical problems, I think, in bringing tourists to South Africa, and increasing a problem arrival international that figures airports, is is an at impediment South Government's to Africa's aviation policy. I do believe that it is blocking tourism flows to and within South Africa. We need to ensure more competition and flight options on our major routings, in particular from the United Kingdom to South Africa. During our high booked for season weeks, flights and are potential often visitors fully are therefore blocked from coming to South Africa. The United Kingdom comprises more than 20% of our total foreign market and offers huge scope for further expansion. It is no use staging a South Africa Week in London, and directing millions of rands towards marketing in the UK and Europe when, in fact, 26 June 2001 potential Page 99 of 256 visitors cannot even find place on aircrafts flying into South Africa. I know of many potential visitors who wish to visit our lovely country, particularly during the high season when they can travel. But, frankly, they are simply put off and give up trying to find seats on aircraft, because of the very restrictive policies that exist in terms of the major airlines flying into South Africa. Given the seasonal adjustments in air tariffs as well, one cannot help feeling that this protectionist policy is there to protect the major airlines flying into South Africa, rather than to really encourage those visitors that we so desperately need. Bold steps visitors to perspective, gateway to are therefore South Africa. particularly Africa, I required Of Cape might to course, Town, add that channel from which I am our is a very pleased that we now have a new airport, and I think that the Airports Company has done a very fine job, and we want to use it and see aircraft arriving. Unfortunately, I have to report that, in fact, over 26 June 2001 the last Page 100 of 256 few months, there has been a decline, rather than an increase, in international arrivals in Cape Town. The London to South Africa route is certainly the big problem in terms of increase in capacity, especially with the reduction of flights from other European countries, for example, those flown by Sabena, from Belgium, and Austrian Airlines. This has created a limitation on the seats available and, in fact, the problem is becoming more and more acute. There are fewer seats coming into South Africa, and very few new flights are being allowed or sanctioned, particularly on these routes. We need a more liberal open-skies policy, and I really ask the Minister to address this particular issue. Whilst most South Africans have noticed a virtual 25% hike in international airline fares since April of this year, it is internal air travel as well that has become exorbitantly expensive, for South African citizens and for visitors as well. SAA has seemingly monopolised this market and the ongoing saga surrounding the remuneration package of Mr 26 June 2001 Page 101 of 256 Coleman Andrews makes one think that we should be making airline majority of travel South more affordable Africans, who would to the love to undertake domestic holidays and do business, rather than lining the pockets of chief executives and their cronies in such excessive ways. For emerging small business entrepreneurs, it is fast becoming impossible to extend their markets by making vital business trips across the country. Therefore if we are really serious about getting tourism to flourish geographically Africa, expensive airline access in a long-haul destination and like and South affordability are paramount and these should receive prime attention. Furthermore, SA Tourism, formerly called Satour, has clearly not optimised its mandate thus far. The organisation is currently without a chief executive officer and has had four CEOs in as many years. There is no definitive marketing strategy and no stringent monitoring and measuring of the impact of the huge budget that has been raised in partnership with the Business Trust. 26 June 2001 I am really tourism Page 102 of 256 upset figures measured in when coming terms of I look into at the South average growth foreign Africa ... as [Time expired.] [Applause.] Mr F M MOKWELE (Northern Province): Chairperson, hon members of the NCOP, hon Minister Valli Moosa, hon members this of different opportunity to legislatures, express allow my me profound appreciation at standing before this House today as a representative of the Northern Province's legislature and its communities. It is, indeed, a privilege to be entrusted with this mammoth responsibility of ensuring that the aspirations province of thousands towards of our people environmental in justice the and sustainable tourism activities are made known to the entire country and its leadership. It would also be an act of treason if I did not join the Minister and our colleagues here in saying that today is a great day for us because we are celebrating the 46th anniversary of the adoption of 26 June 2001 Page 103 of 256 the Freedom Charter as a guiding document towards the liberation of this country. However, the celebrations are taking place against the backdrop of great strides which have been made in the betterment of the lives of people in the country, and our province in particular. With, side by side, the national, provincial and local spheres of government, in collaboration with various social forces, the cause of our struggle for liberation shall definitely triumph, as the late combatant Comrade Oliver Tambo said in Durban in 1991. The Northern Province has, in the past six years, identified tourism as one of the key economic sectors with the potential of unlocking the natural and cultural resources found within its borders and beyond. The Warmbaths summits on growth and development strategy have given more impetus to the province's self-realisation effort as a means to move out of the bracket of being referred to as the poorest province. 26 June 2001 The Page 104 of 256 vision of a golden horseshoe of tourism composed of countless game parks and transnational peace parks neighbours tourism straddling is being future the borders realised for our as with an present our important and future generations. The Government has since also realised that on its own it cannot and should not run game parks. It was within this understanding and context that Government decided to allow communities and the private sector to run these parks in a more profitable way. The role of Government in this particular regard will be that of a facilitator in creating the necessary environment. The Makuleka story is known to us. This is a particularly good example of community effort to do things for themselves. To this end, we would appreciate more resources being made available to that particular community in order to realise its objectives. Talking of cultural heritage sites which are in abundance and untamed in the Northern Province, the following come to mind: Mapungubwe, Thulamela, 26 June 2001 Page 105 of 256 Makapansgat and other sites and artistic works by the San. The current policy initiatives by hon Minister Moosa on the peace parks need to be commended. It is the hope of the province that, at the end of these processes, communities Province will be the allowing them to move in great the Northern benefactors, faster on the thus economic development front. I wish to also quote the then Deputy President Comrade economic Thabo and current Mbeki, development on summit President, the hon occasion of the the in Warmbaths on 26 February 1999, when he said: We cannot say that we are moving forward if our poorer provinces are not the ones that are moving forward fastest. It is a critical matter, therefore, that this meeting is about. I believe that all of us are agreed on this point. 26 June 2001 The Page 106 of 256 tourism resort and gaming budget in our province is a paltry R44,612 million. It is within this context that in order to realise our stated objective the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism needs to come and assist us. Concluding this section on tourism, I wish to invite members of this august House to join the communities of the Northern Province in their cultural renaissance effort. What I am saying here is that members are invited to the Northern Province. Members must walk with us on the ivory route, which is unparalleled in the country and elsewhere in the world. We would use ox-wagons if available, because of the toughness of the course, but they are no longer there, so the 4X4s will suffice, and we will be happy to provide them. The sustainable management and use of our natural resources is needed for biodiversity purposes in terms of species ecological systems protection, protection. enhancement The management and of biodiversity contributes to the conservation of our 26 June 2001 Page 107 of 256 natural life-supporting systems such as wetlands, clean water and air. In order to objectives, provincial system. achieve the province biobase It is the and further undertake biomonitoring catchment areas, develop above is and stated developing the biodiversity information engaged efforts of river in systems conservation to within strategies and undertake annual grass monitoring processes in protected areas, and game reduction proposals. The province is currently working very hard on the Waterberg biosphere area, as all members are aware. We express our appreciation of the Minister and the department's support on this particular issue. In full bloom, this initiative should see communities being integrated into a modern conservation area in the beautiful parts of the bushveld. It should be mentioned here that Nylsvlei has been declared a Ramsar site, making it one of the few declared wetland sites in the world. This site has 26 June 2001 limitless Page 108 of 256 possibilities for conservation and tourist attraction. While the province accomplishing critical some tasks, biodiversity wishes of the in these to most section particular see itself important dealing is and with currently understaffed, and that is the greatest problem we have. The situation needs to be corrected. It is the view of the Northern Province that the Department of Environmental needs be actively to Affairs involved and or Tourism make more resources available to correct this situation. If the situation is not corrected or addressed, there is a risk that some of the natural life-supporting systems will be degraded to a point at which it is impossible instance, to clean manage water. areas These that produce, for are catchment and wetlands areas. Environmental education is being taken seriously in our province. section of the To this end, department of the environmental finance, economic 26 June 2001 Page 109 of 256 affairs, environmental affairs and tourism in the province is ensuring that environmental education is integrated into the school curriculum by supporting Curriculum 2005 processes, with a view to developing standards for environment-related qualifications through the National Qualifications Framework. The province wishes to commend the Minister for ensuring that the provisions of Chapter 2, the Bill of Rights, of our Constitution are implemented, particularly section 24. This has been done through the enactment, first and foremost, of the National Environmental Management Act of 1998. All our legislation could derive much from its provisions. As already stated, the scarcity of resources needs to be addressed so as to ensure that functions such as environmental impact assessment and pollution management receive the attention they deserve. In conclusion, the Northern Province wishes to support the Vote of the Minister and I do so on behalf of the province. [Applause.] 26 June 2001 Page 110 of 256 Mr A E DE WET (Eastern Cape): Chairperson, I am sure there is nobody in this Chamber here today who would not be aware of the Wild Coast community tourism initiative, and for that we thank the hon the Minister. I am sure he is also reminded of the day when we saw him in the Eastern Cape with his scout hat, shorts and boots, walking along the Wild Coast with our hon MEC. I must say right at the outset that the hon MEC would dearly have liked to be here today, to deliver his speech himself, but it is my honour and privilege to do so on his behalf. The Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism administers various pieces of legislation, and a number of concurrent competencies exist in terms of that legislation. department of environment and In the finance, Eastern economic tourism is the Cape the affairs, authority responsible for most of these concurrent functions. The Environmental Conservation Act makes provision for the Africa. conservation This, inter of biodiversity alia, provides in for South the 26 June 2001 Page 111 of 256 establishment and management of protected areas, as well as the sustainable utilisation of natural resources. Protected areas functions of management the is province, one as of the core as the well department. National protected areas that occur in the Eastern Park, the Cape are Mountain the Zebra Addo Elephant National National Park and the Tsitsikamma Coastal and Marine National Park, and are being managed by SA National Parks. Various joint provincial and national initiatives are, moreover, taking place within the Eastern Cape province. These Baviaanskloof initiatives Project, the are: the Greater Greater Addo National Park and the proposed Pondoland Park. The imminent incorporation of the Woody Cape Provincial Nature Reserve into the Greater Addo National Park is of specific relevance in this regard. Sustainable core resources functions numerous of utilisation the inspections department. and site is one This visits, of the includes protected 26 June 2001 Page 112 of 256 flora permits, a certificate of adequate enclosure, capacity permits, proposed game introduction, legal and illegal gambling, crop damage and liaison with role-players in the wildlife and tourism industry. The department, international moreover, conventions administers on behalf various of South Africa. Of specific relevance in this regard is the Convention for the International Trade in Endangered Species, Cites, in terms of which the Eastern Cape is yet to be appointed as a Cites management authority. applications thus At have present, to be all referred permit to the Western Cape for approval, and this, in a province where the hunting and the trophy industry is booming, is something that needs to be attended to. The National alia, aims Environmental to promote Management the Act, application inter of appropriate environmental management tools in order to ensure the integrated management of activities. Furthermore, in terms of the Act, each province has to draft a provincial environmental implementation plan, and once it has been submitted to the 26 June 2001 Page 113 of 256 department, implement it. I wish to state that the Eastern Cape province has submitted a draft EIP to the department. The EIA regulations seek to manage and regulate activities that, in the opinion of the Minister, may have a significant detrimental impact on the environment. It impacts proposed of landscapes, entails habitat the assessment activities and biota. on of the ecosystems, These regulations have been delegated to the province. However, under certain circumstances, as outlined in the regulations, applications still have to be referred to the department. In addition to administering the EIA regulations, the province also provides comments and input to regional and local planning exercises, as well as nonlisted developments, such as mining and rezoning applications. The province has no delegated authority as far as waste management concerned. However, and pollution owing to the control absence are of 26 June 2001 Page 114 of 256 department officials, except those with Marine and Coastal Management, within the province, the provincial staff normally find themselves becoming heavily involved in various issues relating to this function. These includes monitoring, the inspection of pollution incidences and illegal dumping, providing advice and support to local authorities, dissemination of information to the public, and, lastly, funding and assisting with waste- management-related projects. I now come to the Sea-shore Act. All structures below the high-water mark, including the approval and annual renewal of the lease agreements, are regulated in terms of this Act. The Act has been delegated in its entirety to the province. However, currently, these structures are only authorised in terms of the EIA regulations, while the administration of leases in terms of the Sea-shore Act is yet to be implemented, and we urge that it be done. 26 June 2001 Page 115 of 256 I now address marine and coastal management. This function is performed by the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism, as stated in the Marine Living Resources Act. The province has no delegated authority in terms of this Act. However, various issues end up being the responsibility of the province. Most of the relevant provincial staff working in the coastal nature reserves in the province have undergone training as fisheries control officers, but only some have been appointed as such, by the MCM. In the absence of MCM staff in certain areas, specifically noting the ex-Transkei, all marine and coastal management functions are being performed by the province, without any financial assistance or resources from the department. Furthermore, until clear management arrangements with MCM are in place, and as far as the provincial budget allows, only priority cases, normally of abalone poaching, are being handled in the other areas of the province. Field rangers do, however, check on marine resources while on patrol within 26 June 2001 Page 116 of 256 reserves, and I must say that there is good cooperation with the local MCM staff, if they are present. With regard to subsistence fishing licences, the process of awarding these licences at the various communities in the Eastern Cape is being dealt with by the MCM. MCM staff members, however, find it difficult to operate effectively from Cape Town, and this process is beset with difficulties. Upon request from the MCM, the provincial officials have attempted to provide assistance, but found the process to be unclear and confusing. Not much has been achieved as far as subsistence licensing is concerned in the province. The Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism has no regional office in the province. Its limited presence is restricted to Marine and Coastal Management, MCM, and fisheries control offices in Jeffreys Bay, Port Elizabeth, Port Alfred and East London. All these offices are totally understaffed, with the result that there is a huge burden, 26 June 2001 especially Page 117 of 256 with coastal management issues being referred to the provincial officials. It is an delegated adequate accepted functions provision therefore management should of be budget imperative principle that followed and a by staff. clear that the It is management arrangement between the department and the province be determined arrangements as a should matter be put of in urgency. place for These those functions currently delegated to the province, as well as prior delegated to to the any further province by functions the being Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism. With regard to the fishing industry, it must be stated that disadvantaged the participation persons is still of previously minimal in real terms. The control of the industry is still vested in a few large companies. Our challenge is to alter this situation manner. in a responsible and sustainable 26 June 2001 Page 118 of 256 It is regrettable to note that for nearly the whole of last year most fishers spent more time briefing lawyers and attending to court proceedings than catching fish. This is a a negative development. This is owing to legal action instituted by unsuccessful applicants over the allocation of hake longline quotas by the department. As a result of this legal action, only a few quota holders managed to slip through and actually catch fish in January 2000. This was the result of them getting their permits before the court proceedings were instituted. The Eastern Cape has, in the past, been generally neglected in the wider development and growth of the fishing concentration sector. of the is to This fishing has led to industry the in the that will Western Cape. Our challenge work out a plan spread the benefits of this marine resource along our entire coastline. We are mindful that the fish species have no boundaries in the waters. 26 June 2001 Page 119 of 256 The deep-water harbour that is being developed at Coega is going upgrading and to provide opportunities expansion of the for the fishing infrastructure and facilities so as to be able to grow the sector in a more responsible manner. I now come to tourism in the Eastern Cape. The key delivery outputs for this year are the formulation of a provincial tourism development strategy, the establishment of a hospitality and tourism school, familiarisation and educational trips by regional tourism organisations businesses, business and training sector facilitating the emerging and trainer training, disadvantaged programmes, tourism participation month, of black entrepreneurs in the tourism industry, developing a provincial heritage route map, multifunctional sports arenas and providing community development support to the EU project for the Wild Coast - again I express appreciation for the bags that we have been registration province ... given of - the accommodation co-ordination and facilities the in 26 June 2001 The Page 120 of 256 CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon member, your time has expired. Mr A E DE WET: I conclude by saying to the Minister that there is a belief in the Eastern Cape that tourism in South Africa will only succeed when tourism in the Wild Coast succeeds. [Applause.] Mr M V MOOSA: Chairperson, anybody who knows me in this House knows that I will not pass up an opportunity to respond to the kind of cowardly and dishonest speech that MEC Adams from the Western Cape made. I was really amused at the speech that he made, because he said a number of things. He said that the Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism had failed the people, that he had issued fishing licenses for patronage for the party faithful. He said that the Minister was only interested in transformation for the poorest of the poor, that he was playing tag with the rest, and so forth. 26 June 2001 Page 121 of 256 It is quite a joke hearing comments like that from somebody who belongs to the party that caused the whole debacle in the first place. I must remind MEC Adams that he governs in a province where 90% of the fishing interests are still controlled by white monopoly companies, and he is doing nothing about it. I want to remind him that 99% of the businesses in the tourism industry, such as at the Waterfront, are in the hands of white people. In this province where he governs, 99% of restaurants, hotel rooms and so forth are in the hands of understands white about people. black The economic only thing he empowerment and tourism is to bus white people in beautiful luxury buses through Khayelitsha and Bonteheuwel and show them the poor little people of this country. That is what he knows about black economic empowerment, and then he makes statements like this. It is shocking. It is absolutely shocking. I think that he needs to get his own back yard in order, I have some words for that, but I do not think they are appropriate in this honourable House. But I 26 June 2001 Page 122 of 256 believe he needs to clean that up before he comes and talks about these kinds of things in this House. But I am not going to waste any more time on that. I am going to make my speech. I think that this House knows very well that Gauteng faces enormous challenges. I speak today on behalf of Gauteng. Gauteng covers only 1,4% of the country's land area and yet we sustain about 20% of the country's population. We sustain about 400 persons per square kilometre in our province. In Gauteng we produce more than 40% of the country's GDP and yet we sustain about 70% of the country's workforce. We experience a population growth much higher than most other between provinces. 1970 and Some 1995 the figures show population that of our face the province more than doubled. What this means is that together we challenges of the high demand on natural resources that urbanisation brings in our province. It impacts on our water and land resources. There is a 26 June 2001 high Page 123 of 256 demand housing, services roads, recreational sewage for waste facilities and, mostly, and infrastructure, collection and the for the services, management of management of employment opportunities. As a representative of the province of Gauteng, I want to say to the Minister that our province needs firm strategies, crisis strategies, with regard to two issues, namely waste management and air pollution. I want to raise some of those things. The Minister said that we, as a country, produce 566 million indicate tons how of much of waste that per year. waste I comes want from to our province. We assume that probably about 80% of the country's waste is being produced in the being produced at little province of Gauteng. Domestic waste is about 4,3 million tons per annum, health care waste at about 14 000 tons per annum and hazardous waste, which includes the mines and power stations, probably at about 1,8 million tons per annum. The biggest 26 June 2001 Page 124 of 256 producers of waste in our province are the mines and power stations, which, together, produce about 370 million tons of waste per annum, all in the little province of Gauteng. That demands some serious consideration about what we are to do about waste management of a domestic, industrial and effluent nature in the province of Gauteng. I believe that the Ministry of Environmental Affairs and Tourism needs to embark on very severe strategies in the province of Gauteng to manage its waste problem. management If problem we in can sort Gauteng, we out the will waste probably have sorted out about 70% of the waste disposal problems in this country. I think we will probably also be able to put down a good model for waste management in other provinces. The Minister is right, our local authorities do not have statistics in order to deal with this matter. It is also not clear whether the mere delivery of dustbins to areas which require these might solve 26 June 2001 the Page 125 of 256 problem. It calls for a more comprehensive strategy around how we are going to recycle waste. What are we going to do about waste that can be recycled into compost and so forth and waste that is completely lost, which needs either to be incinerated or to have something else done to it? I need to bring up another statistic. According to statistics, about 300 million tons of the country's most valuable topsoil gets washed off the land and silts up the rivers and dams each year. Maybe there is a relationship between how we recycle our waste and what we do about the silting up of our topsoil. I think something needs to be done at that level. Regarding a waste management strategy, the Minister mentioned providing an award or prize for the cleanest and dirtiest towns. It is a good idea and it might get towns to realise that something can be done. However, I am not sure whether that alone is going to address addressed. In management and the some air issues areas, that like pollution need Gauteng, are to be waste becoming so critical that it will do no good finding one town 26 June 2001 Page 126 of 256 that has done well and another that has not. We need a holistic, integrated strategy with regard to urban renewal and urbanisation in the Gauteng province. I want to speak on a few matters regarding air pollution. The Minister mentioned the Vaal Triangle. Sasol, one of the biggest companies in this country, produced R4,7 billion of profits last year, but is probably one of the biggest culprits concerning emissions air pollution generated by in Sasol that and the area. The plants at Sasolburg probably cause more health problems in the Vaal Triangle in people of all ages and deliver more toxic emission into the air than I think any other company anywhere in this country. Sasol has been speaking about sustainable development issues, but it has become urgent that we sit down with people in Sasolburg and say that we are not going to tolerate emissions of that kind. It is affecting the lives of the poorest of the poor. The communities around Sasol and 26 June 2001 Page 127 of 256 Sasolburg, like Sebokeng and Sharpeville, are the ones that really suffer because of the emissions. I also want to say that in Gauteng we have experienced a very high level of emissions arising from motor probably vehicles. higher Motor than vehicle international pollution is guidelines in the Gauteng area. This goes for all the core areas in Gauteng: the Greater Johannesburg area and Tshwane, Ekurhuleni and the Sedibeng areas. It would be useful if the department could have a look at what could be done about motor vehicle emissions in some of those areas. I know that some of these are section 76 powers, Minister but I engages think with it is important provincial that the departments and local authorities in order to do something about some of these levels of pollution. The fear that we have in Gauteng is that we will become like Tokyo. When that city was not managing its air pollution well, citizens used to go out onto the streets wearing gas masks in order to make 26 June 2001 Page 128 of 256 sure that they could breathe properly. We know that in Mexico on the news on television one gets the weather report, the pollen report, and then they also have to give air pollution reports so that people can decide: ``Today it is better to stay indoors and wear a mask and not go out.'' Fortunately, our region at the tip of Africa is known as one of those parts of the world where biodiversity, and so forth, is still strong. We are probably one of the third most biodiverse countries in the world. When one looks at Johannesburg and Gauteng the picture is quite different and quite bleak. It is very important that we address that. The reports for Egoli 2010 indicate that Johannesburg citizens at the moment spend some R280 million every preparations infections. year to These for help over-the-counter them infections with seem medical respiratory to be caused primarily by air pollution. That is R280 million a year! 26 June 2001 Page 129 of 256 We also know that one of the big culprits of air pollution is energy and the way energy resources are being used. Coal and coal burning is a big issue. In the big houses, in the luxury townships, we switch on a light and we think that everything ... The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order, hon member, your time is up. Mr M V MOOSA: Chairperson, is my time up already? [Laughter.] I spent too much time attacking the MEC. [Applause.] Rev M CHABAKU: Chairperson, this day is specially timed to have this plenary session in this House when it is the 46th birthday of the Freedom Charter. So I say, happy birthday, Freedom Charter, happy birthday! [Interjections.] Haak Vrystaat! [Go, Free State!] There is a Portuguese saying - and I will not say it in Portuguese, although I do speak Portuguese - 26 June 2001 Page 130 of 256 that goes: ``Visits always give pleasure: if not arrival, then the departure.'' On behalf of the Free State, I would like to convey to the Minister that his recent visit to us gave pleasure both in the arrival and in the departure. The Free State is honoured to have been selected to host the launch of Environment Week on 5 June this year. This auspicious historic Batho occasion suburb of was celebrated Bloemfontein in the where the ANC, of course, was founded in 1912. Minister Moosa was able to pay a visit to the historic Mapikela House, the home of the first treasurer-general of the ANC. Local supporters in the crowd were very excited to hear the announcement of the Clean City competition by the Minister. Hence, the pleasure in the departure, as many of the people hurried home to begin working on plans to win the million which, of course, is a challenge to the rest of the country. The Free State is determined to take the kudos, of course. 26 June 2001 The Free tourism Clean Page 131 of 256 State's has City also department accepted concept. In of the fact, environment challenge we have of gone and the even further with the implementation of a pilot project in Mangaung, Bloemfontein, which is supported by the departments of local government and housing, health and environment and tourism. This has been named the Healthy City project. As Free Staters, we are very concerned about the problem recent of toxic occasions materials in our waste we have transportation. had province. spillage Our appeal On of two toxic to the Minister is that the legislation in this regard be revisited, given urgent attention and strengthened where necessary. Of grave concern to us is the lack of proper waste dumping sites in many of our rural municipal areas. A co-ordinated approach between the departments of local government, water affairs and environmental affairs could rectify this situation speedily. The Department directly of Health involved in should this probably interaction, also be as the 26 June 2001 number of Page 132 of 256 people scratching for morsels of food among the discarded waste appears to grow daily. This will not only lead to the deterioration of our health standards, but most certainly will discourage visitors to our smaller towns, which are in dire need of that added income. We in the Free State have great respect for the Minister's handling of the tourism industry. His decisive decision-making confidence signing of to the innovative impresses and gives thinkers. The recent Drakensberg-Lesotho transfrontier agreement is one such project. With the stroke of a pen, South African product owners and tourism innovators can legitimately engage in cross-border initiatives to mutual benefit. An issue which still needs attention, however, is how to speed up border post crossings for tourists. The Free State is grateful to the Minister for his initiative in making Satour the mover and shaker responsible for the generation of greater tourist numbers to South Africa, leaving provinces to improve tourism statistics in their own domain. For 26 June 2001 Page 133 of 256 the first time in three years, the Free State's department of environment and tourism has the funding available to implement projects within our disadvantaged communities. Currently, the Free State has a very active tourism industry centred mainly around the following: privately owned game farms where game viewing, game hunting and wing shooting safaris are available; nature farms which offer hiking trails, overnight facilities, horse riding, sailing, mountaineering, fishing, 4x4 trails, ecotourism, historic sites and San paintings; facilities, provide a and both numerous in network towns of bed and stopover and on breakfast farms, places for which weary travellers. The above facilities, however, are still largely in the hands of only 11% of the province's inhabitants. A huge challenge confronts the Free State MEC and the department of environment and tourism to try to transform this ownership through value adding, population can so that become the part majority of this of the industry, 26 June 2001 Page 134 of 256 without diminishing the role of the current product owners. A lack of knowledge regarding the spin-offs from tourism and a clean environment for the province and its people is still a problem. Rectifying this problem is the highest challenge facing our department in the Free State. This message has to be given exposition from the grass roots right through to the highest level of function within the province. All our people need to know, to be reminded and reminded of the great opportunities which benefit the province and its people if, as individuals, they are prepared to become involved, be it as goodwill ambassadors with smiles on their faces, or as pickers up of all the rubbish and cleaners of their own home environment. Each and every one of us as South Africans can contribute to making our areas safer and more tourist-friendly by talking to and sharing with our friends and neighbours the importance of movement and feeling secure for any visitors. 26 June 2001 Page 135 of 256 The dictionary defines a tourist as one who travels for pleasure, usually, sightseeing and staying in hotels. This definition might have to change as more and more of these tourists stay in guesthouses and bed-and-breakfast facilities. means, on the other hand, This, of course, that not only big businesses are benefiting from visitors, but also an ordinary average person who has a home with a room or bed to spare if he or she so wishes. The dictionary also says that a tourist is any person who travels, not only persons from another country. More and more South Africans are choosing to travel within the boundaries of this beautiful land of ours. The more they travel and experience the differences in the cultures of the various areas and local people, the more we should see a greater tolerance amongst our and diversely understanding developing constitutionally related people. The standard of living is improving within the disadvantaged communities through the ANC-led Government's resultant implementation infrastructure of its improvement policies. is The creating 26 June 2001 new Page 136 of 256 opportunities for even more cross-culture initiatives. There are many people and student exchanges into and from African our very exchange communities. system A supported truly by South business, Government and communities could further fast-track the demolition of racism, misconceptions and fear. One does not have to rewrite a book. Continued support of and further implementation of the wellestablished AFS interculture-type programmes could be used. I truly believe that such a system could accelerate the united would like South to African see. society School so many pupils, of us students, professionals and all other people interested in broadening their life experience within our country could participate. George Bernard Shaw said that there are only two qualities in the world, efficiency and inefficiency, and only two sorts of people, the efficient and the inefficient. There is still too much inefficiency in South Africa, and in the Free State too, for us to be able to capture a 26 June 2001 big enough Page 137 of 256 section of the huge financial opportunities generated by international tourism. Only yesterday, it took one woman more than five phone calls and longer than half an hour to make a reservation at a leading hotel for a single night's booking. [Interjections.] The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! Carry on, hon member. Rev M CHABAKU: Is there curry? The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! I said, carry on, hon member. Rev M CHABAKU: I thought that the Chairperson said that there was curry. [Interjections.] Only yesterday, it took more than five phone calls and longer than half an hour to make a reservation at a leading hotel for a single night's booking. What kind of impression does this make on visitors from overseas? Nobody can allow opportunities to 26 June 2001 slip Page 138 of 256 through their inefficiency. Urgent fingers because attention also of needs sheer to be given to the agricultural and ... The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! Hon member, your time is up. Rev M CHABAKU: Chairperson, this was on behalf of my MEC, who, at the last moment, could not come. I tried my best. [Applause.] Mr D M KGWARE: Chairperson, hon Minister, members from the provinces and colleagues, I am standing in the shoes of my MEC, Dawid Rooi. I would like to just raise programmes issues since we around have the already environmental touched on the tourism. I will also have to leave some of the issues because I have 14 points that I just want to raise for the sake of the department. Regarding directorate staff had and to budgetary cope with constraints, serious the staff and budgetary constraints during the past two financial years, 1999-2000 and 2000-01. A total staff 26 June 2001 Page 139 of 256 complement of only three environmental officers has dealt with environmental issues ranging from waste management and pollution control to environmental impact assessment reports and applications, the evaluation of mining and prospecting environmental management ... Mr M V MOOSA: Chairperson, on a point of order: Will the hon member take a message back to his MEC that Gauteng Northern will Cape so sell that all its waste to they can improve the their budget? [Laughter.] Mr D M KGWARE: No, we do not want it. The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! Hon member over there, please sit down. Mr D M KGWARE: Chairperson, a total staff complement of only three environmental officers has dealt with issues community-based such as coastal environmental management, awareness and education campaigns, asbestos, asbestosis and the London court case on asbestosis compensation. These 26 June 2001 Page 140 of 256 are a number of the areas that the directorate is dealing with. The budget to carry out this function has also been limited to R1,2 million and R950 000 in the two years, 1999-2000 and 2000-01, respectively. Regarding links provincial with the directorate head of office, environment the and conservation could not effectively and adequately link up with the head office in Pretoria. As a result, most inputs which head office required the province to address were not attended to. That has been mentioned in paragraph 2 above. The Orange River Mouth at Alexander Bay was long declared a Ramsar site by the Ramsar convention. However, the site lost its status because of the negative impacts on it from the mining, flooding, etc of the Orange River. Plans were, original however, Ramsar site under status way of to the restore the mouth and 26 June 2001 Page 141 of 256 transfer the overall management to the directorate in the year 2002-03. Regarding the together transfrontier with the conservation Namibian area, counterparts, the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism's head office intends to declare the Ais-Ais Fish River National Park in Namibia and the Richtersveld National Park particular, tourism in this South move industry conservation Africa as aimed at is and management the in a TFCA. boosting environmental the area. In the and Eventually, the Orange River Mouth Ramsar site will be part of the planned TFCA which will be managed jointly by South Africa and Namibia. Regarding coastal management, the Northern Cape has nearly 380 km of coastal line on the Atlantic Ocean. Management of the coast is handled by the province on behalf of the Marine and Coastal Management Directorate in Cape Town. Coastal cleanup provincial job projects creation which and are poverty part of the alleviation 26 June 2001 Page 142 of 256 campaign will be implemented in due course from a British aid package to South Africa. Nine communities of municipalities have been identified for the implementation of the cleanup project in Calvinia, Garies, the province. Sutherland, Groblershoop, These Loxton, Prieska, communities Klipfontein Kimberley are near Landfill Site, Colesberg and Noupoort. It is planned that in each community 50 men and women will be employed on a short-term basis for three months at R30 per person per day. The implementation starts on 1 July 2001. This project is part of the premier's poverty alleviation and job creation programme in the province. Regarding waste management and the third tier of Government, most municipalities and local government district councils in the third sphere of government have failed to cope with the demands for sound waste management practice within their area of jurisdiction, and I think that the Minister has already mentioned that. 26 June 2001 All Page 143 of 256 environmental projects require appropriate programmes sustainable. conservation programmes capacity-building dedicated in personnel, management through environmental education for The directorate:environment building educational to their order is them succeed in-house materials and and strengths and be and in budgetary provision for this exercise. Regarding asbestos and asbestosis, the Northern Cape is bearing the negative impacts and brunt of previous asbestos mining in the province. The Department of Minerals and Energy is currently rehabilitating derelict asbestos mines and the live asbestos dumps within former mining perimeters which are contaminated. Areas outside the mining boundaries are currently not covered by that department. We also have the remote granite and nuclear waste area of Namaqualand. In the province this is currently used as a subterranean disposal site of nuclear waste from the South African nuclear power 26 June 2001 Page 144 of 256 plant stations. This province has no expertise or facilities for the effective monitoring of this type of radioactive waste disposal. Geological and geophysical prospecting and drilling in the Atlantic Ocean have led to the recovery of a commercial deposit of gas and petroleum, nearly 80 km from the coast at Hondeklipbaai. Full-scale production of oil and gas is expected to commence in 2003. Environmental impacts of this industrial activity will have to be managed in a sound manner. Regarding the monitoring of environmental impacts of the developmental projects, all development has such impacts, either in the short term or in the long term. It is imperative that the impacts should be monitored appropriate regularly, remedial so that, measures can if be need be, effected timeously. The Northern Cape has unfortunately, due to personnel and budgetary constraints, never carried out an effective monitoring role, in spite of the mandate it has to do so. 26 June 2001 In Page 145 of 256 conclusion, the challenges that the Northern Cape faces in handling environmental issues within its boundaries are daunting but manageable. Given the appropriate budgetary provisions and logistical support in personnel and equipment, it will be easy to ensure that a regulatory framework on sound environmental management is upheld. With time we will cope and exceed even better. Chief M L MOKOENA: Chairperson, there is something fishy. Like the hon Moosa, I am terribly disappointed by some comments made by the hon MEC from the Western Cape, who, instead of coming up with suggestions or solutions, chose to attack and accuse the Minister and his department for not doing enough. What a pity. Unfortunately, he was just preaching to the converted and, maybe to try to respond to what he said, will make people not notice the difference. The select committee undertook a study tour to Kalk Bay, Hout Bay and Saldanha Bay on 24 May 2001, as part of our oversight function. The main aim of this tour was to do the inspection in loco, after the committee 26 June 2001 received Page 146 of 256 some complaints from people in those areas. We carefully listened to what people had to say. After those meetings, a report was compiled and a copy thereof was sent to the department for their scrutiny and response. We are happy and delighted to learn that the department has started addressing some of the issues raised. The impossible is often the untried. I am not going to fathom this industry, because we will be discussing the issue with the department immediately after adjournment. What makes political me sick parties and is the behaviour politicians, like of some the hon Adams, who now want to use the frustrations and desperation of our people to score political points. It pains me to know that the very same people did not care a damn about the plight of our people in the past. Now they want to be seen as people who are fighting and championing cause. What a shame! [Interjections.] their 26 June 2001 Page 147 of 256 The question is: Where were they all this time? They had all the time in the world to rectify and correct this mess created by their regime. Instead, they did not. They were just sleeping and snoring. [Laughter.] Let them be warned that we are watching them. I would like to thank the hon the Minister and his department for the rehabilitation of mine dumps. The programme will save many lives. It is pleasing to know that waste management is high on the department's agenda. Another worrying factor is to realise that many factories do not use designated spots or areas for dumping. They use any available open space for dumping. I can only urge the hon the Minister to be very hard on them. In mining, we have direct beneficiaries. beneficiaries Can I find out and from the indirect hon the Minister what role is played by mining companies and the Department of Minerals and Energy, when mining dumps are rehabilitated? I do not think it is fair for the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism to carry this burden alone. 26 June 2001 Page 148 of 256 Let me thank the hon the Minister for a job well done, informally recognising tourist guides. Legislation to this effect was passed last year. In the past nobody cared about them. I would like to urge the departments to make sure that these tourist guides are properly trained to enable them to market our country, because we will know that if one shoots at the moon, even if one misses, one is still high. It is just unfortunate that we could meet SA National Parks. We would love to engage them about some activities in our parks. Hopefully, when we come back from our recess we will meet to look into some of these Minister tell various me how issues. far Can we the are hon with the the transformation or realignment of this section? The attitude of some officials in this section leaves much to be desired. There are some officials who behave as if these parks are now their family property. Trouble usually starts like fun. Maybe I should just leave it there, hoping that when we meet, some of these issues will be clarified. My 26 June 2001 Page 149 of 256 policy is: Just tolerate imperfect friends, because perfect friends do not exist. With this dynamic, vibrant and humble Minister and his department's policy, the ANC will find it very difficult not to support his Budget Vote. I wonder what would have happened by now if the ANC was not in charge. For the first time in the history of this country, our people are in warm, safe and reliable hands. The ANC fully supports this Vote and congratulates the Minister on a job well done. [Applause.] The MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS AND TOURISM: Mr Chairperson, many issues have been raised in this debate, and I would like to thank the many participants who have obviously put in quite a lot of time and energy to prepare for the debate. As a result of the many issues that have been raised, I do hope that I will be able to respond to them in the time allotted to me, and that with the hon chairperson having just taken the chair and being full of energy, he might not be in a hurry to call me to order when my time has expired. [Laughter.] I 26 June 2001 Page 150 of 256 do not know if the Rules allow for pleading from the microphone. Let me start off by expressing my gratitude to Rev Peter Moatshe, the chairperson, who has made the important point that many of the black-owned emerging enterprises - SMMEs - are having a great deal of difficulty getting on their feet as a result of a whole range of factors, one of which is the red tape. I think this is an important point, because it is one thing tourism to encourage business and blacks become to part get of into the the tourism economy. Creating the actual environment for that to work is another, because at the end of the day, if one opens up a bed-and-breakfast place or something of that sort, or a curio shop, or a small hotel or whatever, one will need somebody to come and stay there. One will need a sign on the road that says ``hotel'', or ``bed and breakfast in this direction''. One will need to be featured on maps and all of those sorts of things. One will need the 26 June 2001 banks to Page 151 of 256 co-operate with one because tourism businesses typically go through cycles. Unfortunately, cyclical in patterns our country which we we still are have trying the to do without. During peak periods there is a clutter of business and then during off-seasons there is no money coming in for the business at all. One needs the co-operation of banks, often for cash-flow problems that arise as a result of this. This is a problem. We have been working very closely with the Business Trust in this regard. The Business Trust has now started what is called the enterprise development programme and allocated an amount, if I am not wrong, of about R60 million to that programme. The aim of the programme is just to help businesses get on their feet. It is not to loan money, put up infrastructure or anything of that sort. But where somebody has set up a small business, it gets that business on its feet by making all of the right sorts of connections and by giving training, for example, to the owner if the person needs training, and such sort of backup. It 26 June 2001 Page 152 of 256 is aimed precisely at that. The department tells me that many thousands of real businesses will be created in the next few years as a result of this programme, so it is quite an important programme. That there are distortions in the tourism infrastructure is, again, a fair point - I think and it is something that we are looking at. The department has got what it refers to as the patis, the priority areas for tourism infrastructure or something. I do not know exactly what it stands for. They have many acronyms. But they have identified a number of priority areas around the country for This where is tourism the infrastructure infrastructure development. funds will be directed over the next few years. We are National also involved Treasury in to discussions direct some with the of the infrastructure funds that the Minister of Finance announced during his presentation of the Budget into that fund. We are working very closely with the Minister of Transport and the province to get the N2 road through the Wild Coast finally built. 26 June 2001 Page 153 of 256 The Minister of Transport has reported to me that everything is in place for the construction of that road to get going. He and I will be going on a site visit within the next few weeks. As far as the reports on SA National Parks are concerned, I must tell the hon Conroy that SA National Parks, like other conservation agencies in our country, does go through financial difficulties from time to time and it is no secret that it is going must through say financial that much of newspapers has tended hyperbolic. Like any difficulties. the to However, reporting be business I in the inaccurate and enterprise or any institution, one may find, from time to time, that one is overstaffed and has got to shed staff. It happens in the Public Service and in private business, and it will happen in the parks. At times one absorbs staff and at times has to let go of the staff, and the parks in some areas are in the process of letting go of staff. One would not find a person who is being retrenched thanking the boss very much, thanking him or her for retrenching him, 26 June 2001 Page 154 of 256 saying that the boss is doing the right thing and that he or she agrees with the boss's strategy. One will not find that. One is obviously going to find such a person saying that without him or her this park is going to collapse and is going to be destroyed. That is what workers who get retrenched anywhere and in any sector would say. I think one should take it with a pinch of salt. But that is not to say that SA National Parks is flush with money. It is department Treasury is and in financial working the very parks in difficulties. closely order to My with the ensure that those financial difficulties do not result in any serious problems as such. We see it essentially as a cash-flow problem, which arose as a result of a number of factors, one of which was the dip in the tourism numbers, particularly to the Kruger National Park, which is the biggest During the collapsed parks in income period driver of completely quite a the and in SA floods that difficult National tourism put the position. Parks. numbers national The second matter that caused the problem was the doing away 26 June 2001 with of Page 155 of 256 what used to be called the transport subsidy to the national parks for the maintenance of the roads and such things. But we are in discussions now with Treasury to reinstate some of those subsidies. We are also in discussion with SA National Parks to put in place whatever systems are needed to get it on its feet. So there is no crisis, I must assure hon members, because I think South Africans have the national parks very close to their hearts. It is important for us to say that there is no crisis. Recently, when the President went to examine some of the reconstruction work that was done after the floods in the Kruger National Park and surrounding areas, he addressed a gathering at Skukuza in the Kruger National Park. I would want to refer hon members to his speech - one should get it on his website - where he spoke about how Government sees the that national we parks. have protection, no the He doubt made it in our safeguarding and absolutely clear minds that the upkeep the of national parks must remain one of the priorities of 26 June 2001 the Page 156 of 256 Government. We will do everything to ensure that they do remain the jewels that they are. An important point was made by Mrs Z T Sebekedi about domestic tourism. I think this is a point we should not underestimate, that is the importance of domestic visitors within the tourism economy as a whole. While we international do everything visitors, to domestic encourage tourism will always be the most reliable source for our tourism industry. International tourist numbers, as has been said quite correctly, can easily fluctuate, and on a happening. huge If, scale, for depending example, the on economy what is of the source market collapses, one is going to find fewer tourists coming, or if we get some bad publicity, there would be fewer tourists coming. But domestic tourists are always reliable. If there are floods in Mozambique, domestic tourists will not say, ``This year we are not going to Cape Town,'' as international tourists do. cancel trips Cape their to International Town when tourists there are floods in Mozambique, because they do not really understand the geography of the place. So we must 26 June 2001 Page 157 of 256 do everything to grow domestic tourism, and I hope that we will succeed in doing that. Regarding the question raised by the hon Versfeld, the erosion at Langebaan is a matter which we need to look into quite seriously. We must bear in mind that these sorts of occurrences are often a result of poor planning and bad development, although, as the member has pointed out quite correctly, natural causes also are a cause, but often it is just poor planning and bad management. We now have the National Environmental Management Act in place, and one of the things that we can say is that in future such things will certainly be avoided. My department would be interested in playing a role in the rehabilitation of the beach there, and I am informed by the department that we have not received any proposal as such from either the municipality or the province, and we would interact with the province in this regard to see what steps can be taken. 26 June 2001 Page 158 of 256 Usually in situations like those, the department would get a request from either the province or the municipality and we would then try to look at where we can find the resources and what steps can be taken. I must agree with the hon Vilakazi that all of the hon members here, when they rise on Thursday, would be taking a long and extended holiday. After what we heard about the Northern Province, perhaps that is where we should go in order to promote tourism in that province. On the remarks of the MEC Glen Adams there have already been responses to those, but let me say that the uncharacteristic belligerence of MEC Adams may be based on a lack of information or on inaccurate information. Firstly, I must say that prior to 1994 the poor people living in fishing villages along the coast had absolutely no say whatsoever in the fishing industry. They were cut out and thus were not part of fishing at all. After 1994 this portfolio fell into the hands of somebody from the MEC's own alliance, during the time of the 26 June 2001 Government Page 159 of 256 of National Unity, when the NP was running this portfolio. It was only much later then when my predecessor, Dr Pallo Jordan, came into this post that the Marine Living Resources Act was passed, and the process of transformation and that of attending to the needs of the poor had begun. Legislation was in place when I came into this portfolio which started the process of actual implementation as such. During the time when the MEC's alliance partner was in government, as anybody can tell the MEC, the actual substance something that of the was fishing completely industry was neglected and misunderstood by the NP government. So what is it that we have done? There has been a great deal of transformation over the past few years in terms of the ownership patterns of the big companies. In terms of blacks gaining equity in some of the big companies, there has been a great deal of transformation. Secondly, when it comes to the allocation of quotas to new entrants, a very 26 June 2001 Page 160 of 256 large number, in fact over 50% of all of the quota holders, now are people who were not in business before 1994. All of these are new quota holders. They are not all big and successful, but they are new quota holders. The MEC might not have known about that. When it comes to the subsistence fisheries, for the first time this year we were able to issue subsistence permits all along the coast. In places like the West Coast, for the first time in their lives, women were directly given permits to harvest fish. If one had gone to visit the people in Elands Bay, Lambert's Bay or Doring Bay, and places like those, those women would say that it was not even in their dreams that one day they would be given permits to fish. Perhaps the MEC did not have all of this information. Regarding poverty relief, last year my department spent R70 million directly on poverty relief projects, and I am not talking about fishing. That is putting money into the pockets of the poor people doing a whole range of different sorts of 26 June 2001 projects. Page 161 of 256 This year we will be spending R99 million, and if one takes the trouble to look at the MTEF R175 million is one will earmarked see for that my next year department to spend directly on poverty relief projects. In my main presentation I spoke about the Coast Care programme and various others. All of those are poverty relief projects, and, for the first time, we actually have some injection of money going into these poor coastal areas. It is something that has never happened before. Then I must say that the MEC's attempt to quote my speech in the National Assembly was a bit of a failure because he quoted me incorrectly. What I was saying about the Huxley commission was that they adopted the view that the observations of the ordinary fishermen were not important. That is a point that I was making. I was saying that we must not make the same mistake ourselves. What the MEC also does is he presents a very empty intellectualist approach. The MEC says, ``Let us 26 June 2001 Page 162 of 256 listen to the ordinary people, let us not read big books.'' That is what the MEC says. Firstly, Mr Adams must be told that I do not need him to tell me to be in touch with the ordinary people. I can assure him that I have been in touch with them and I am in touch with more ordinary people, not only along the coast, but all over the country, than he will frankly ever be for the rest of his life, because that is all that I have done. The MEC attacked an intellectual tradition which exists, I must say, within the ruling party, but certainly within my department also; one which we are proud of. Our scientists in the department do read big books and we are not ashamed of that. I will tell the MEC why. That is because in countries where they have not managed their fishing stocks on a proper today. In scientific South basis, Africa, they our are hake suffering stocks are increasing. Last year, we granted a total allowable catch of 155 000 tons. This year, it went up to 166 000 tons. Some of the big stocks - apart from those that are being poached, like abalone pelagics, hake, etc, are increasing. - like 26 June 2001 In Europe, Page 163 of 256 the catch is decreasing. The caught stocks had to be cut by about 50%, and if the MEC had completed the speech he was quoting, he would have seen that. As a result of that, the fishing fleets in Europe are at a standstill right now. That is because we are serious about what we do. We want to engage in rigorous intellectual activity on which we base our policies, and that is something that I would really recommend to the Western Cape. I think that if they develop an intellectual tradition in the Western Cape, they will not be sorry about that. On the comments of the hon Sulliman, I must say that I am one of those who adopt the view that the Northern Cape has lots and lots of potential for tourism, especially if one takes into account that it is a very big province from a geographical point of view, and it has a relatively small and sparse population. Growth in tourism could make a very big difference to the socioeconomic standards of the population in the Northern Cape. I was in Namibia recently and 26 June 2001 Page 164 of 256 had discussions with my counterpart there. We hope that very shortly agreement for we will the Richtersveld-Ais-Ais be able to establishment Transfrontier sign the of the Conservation Area in order to boost tourism in that part of Southern Africa even more. The point which Mr McKenzie made about the need for co-operation with communities which are next to parks is well taken. I think that it is something that we will have to work on an ongoing basis. The hon Durr raised interesting suggestions about the West Coast National Park. I certainly found that interesting and I think that it is a matter that we will certainly pursue for the consolidation of the area. It may well appear to members and me that the parcel of land which the SANDF has under its control currently is not really needed by them, but I can assure hon members that when my directorgeneral speaks to the generals, they will have very complex and complicated reasons why they need it. But it is something worth pursuing, I think. 26 June 2001 Page 165 of 256 The hon Silke spoke about the airlines policy, and this is a department matter and that the we are Department seized of with. Transport My are interacting very regularly. It is a very difficult situation. thought, It once is one not as gets simple into the and easy bowels as of I the problem, but it is certainly something that needs to addressed. His sentiments were, in a certain sense, also shared by the President in his state-of-the-nation address, when he said that this year we must increase airline frequencies and capacity into and out of South Africa. It is something that we are working on. As far as the work of South African tourism is concerned, I must tell him that, notwithstanding the observations that he has made, the observation that has been made by the industry and people around the world, is that SA Tourism is doing much better than it has ever done before. In fact, it has come out of a very old archaic way of working and transformed itself into a modern organisation. 26 June 2001 Page 166 of 256 Let me assure hon members that there are some very hard-working representatives of SA Tourism in various parts of the world who are doing excellent work. Much more needs to be done, there is no question about that. But I do think that quite a good job is being done, under very difficult circumstances. [Time expired.] [Applause.] Debate concluded. AIRPORTS COMPANY AMENDMENT BILL (Consideration of Bill and of Report thereon) Ms P C P MAJODINA: Chairperson, hon members, the object of the Airports Company Amendment Bill is to effect a minor change to and remove an irregularity in the Airports Company Act. In terms of the current Airports Company Act, the Airports Company of South Africa, generally known as Acsa, is granted a five-year permission to levy charges related to airport core activities. [Interjections.] Being in a minority is not nice. 26 June 2001 The DEPUTY Page 167 of 256 CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! continue, hon member. Ms P C those P MAJODINA: activities Airport that core are activities essential to are the functioning of the airport, such as runway fees. However, such they as do not commercial include businesses incidental located matters at the that the airport. Section 12(11)(a) of the Act states regulating committee may, after consultation with Acsa and other interested parties, amend any condition of the permission given to Acsa to levy airport charges, with the approval of the Minister of Transport and Acsa. The proposed amendment seeks to remove the anomaly of the regulating committee having to consult with Acsa regarding a proposed change of condition and then having to obtain the approval of Acsa and the Minister of Transport. In terms of the amendment, the regulating committee will no longer have to obtain the approval of Acsa, 26 June 2001 Page 168 of 256 but it will still have to consult with the company on any proposed changes. [Applause.] Debate concluded. Declaration of vote: Dr P J C NEL: Chairperson, the New NP believes that although the amendment is regulatory in nature, it is an important piece of legislation. The Bill serves to amend the Airports Company Act of 1993, so as to make new provisions for the amendment of the conditions of the permission issued to the Airports Company to levy airport charges, with the approval of the Minister of Transport and the company. Previously the Act required the regulatory committee to consult with the company and to obtain the approval of the company, as well as that of the Minister. The effect of the amendment is that although the regulating committee will still have to consult with the Airports Company on any change 26 June 2001 Page 169 of 256 to levies, it will not have to obtain the company's approval. My party believes that this is a sensible ruling, and therefore supports the Bill. [Applause.] Bill agreed to in accordance with section 75 of the Constitution. ROAD ACCIDENT FUND AMENDMENT BILL (Consideration of Bill and of Report thereon) Ms P C P MAJODINA: Chairperson, being a chairperson means one can speak twice in a Chamber. Road safety programmes have become indispensable tools in our fight to limit the expenses incurred by the Government financial costs in dealing resulting with from the road enormous accidents. Every year the Government has to allocate huge sums of money as a result of a large number of road accidents. The money we spend in response to accidents could be put to better use in addressing 26 June 2001 Page 170 of 256 some of our more pressing social problems, such as poverty alleviation. Furthermore, the large number of road accidents has wider social strain on implications. our health It system, places with many enormous victims needing expensive treatment, such as surgery over an extended period. It also impacts negatively on our economic growth through the reduced productivity of victims who need weeks and months to recuperate before they can resume work. To reduce our expenses incurred as a result of road accidents, we need to spend more money on their prevention. For this reason, we should welcome the Road Accident Fund Amendment Bill. The Bill seeks to amend the Road Accident Fund Act in order to authorise a fund to make financial contributions to road safety programmes and projects approved by the Minister of Transport, such as the Arrive Alive campaign. Although the impact of this amendment may not be felt immediately, it will have a number of positive 26 June 2001 spin-offs Page 171 of 256 in provinces, the but long also term, not the Road for only for the Accident Fund itself. [Interjections.] Liyangxola eli lungu. [The hon member is making a noise.] Provinces Alive will campaign be able budgets to augment with funds their Arrive obtained from this fund. These funds will in turn be used to increase motorists' awareness of road safety and to encourage them and pedestrians to observe all road traffic measures. The effects of an increased observance of road safety measures will mean fewer road accidents which, in turn, will reduce the number of claims brought before the Road Accident Fund. This amendment will clearly result in a winwin situation for everybody involved in road safety and should be supported by all of us. [Applause.] Debate concluded. Declaration of vote: Dr P beskou J C die NEL: Mnr die Voorsitter, wysigingswetsontwerp as die Nuwe wenslik NP omdat 26 June 2001 Page 172 of 256 die stuk wetgewing nou aan die Padongelukfonds die bevoegdheid verleen om bydraes te maak tot padveiligheidsprojekte en -programme wat deur die Minister goedgekeur is. Tot dusver was alle bydraes wat die Padongelukfonds byvoorbeeld tot die Kom Veilig Daar-veldtog gemaak het onwettig aangesien daar geen voorsiening daarvoor in die Padongelukfondswet van 1996 gemaak is nie. Dit is nie 'n gesonde toedrag van sake nie. As in ag geneem word dat sowat 10 000 mense jaarliks hul lewe op ons paaie verloor en die totale beraamde uitgawe vir die staat as gevolg van padongelukke waarin derduisende mense beseer en vermink word in die jaar 2000 R13,8 miljard beloop het, is dit nodig dat alle projekte wat deur die departement geloods word, uit alle oorde ondersteun behoort te word. My party wil die hoop uitspreek dat die Departement van Vervoer alles in sy vermoë sal doen om die Padongelukfonds, wat tans teen 'n geweldige verlies van R10,48 miljard funksioneer, so spoedig moontlik op 'n gesonde sakegrondslag te plaas. Dit is nodig 26 June 2001 Page 173 of 256 om die fonds in staat te stel om 'n substansiële belegging in veiligheidsprojekte te maak. Dit is ook belangrik dat dié beleggings dividende sal oplewer vermindering in in die vorm van 'n ongelukeise wat teen aansienlike die fonds ingestel word. Die Nuwe NP (Translation steun of die wetsontwerp. Afrikaans [Applous.] declaration of vote follows.) [Dr P J C NEL: Mr Chairperson, the New NP regards the amendment Bill as expedient because this piece of legislation will now grant the Road Accident Fund the power to make contributions to road safety projects and programmes which have been approved by the Minister. Thus far all contributions made by the Road Accident Fund, for example, to the Arrive Alive campaign, were regarded as illegal because no provision was made for this in the Road Accident Fund Act of 1996. 26 June 2001 Page 174 of 256 This is not a healthy state of affairs. If one takes into account that approximately 10 000 people die on our estimated billion cost in accidents roads for the in annually the year which and state 2000 that the total to R13,8 amounted as a thousands result upon of road thousands of people are injured and disabled, it is necessary that all projects which are launched by the that the department should be supported by everyone. My party wishes to express the hope Department of Transport will do everything in its power to bring the Road Accident Fund to a sound business foundation as quickly as possible, because currently it is functioning at an enormous loss of R10,48 fund billion. to make This is necessary substantial to investments enable in the safety projects. It is also important that these investments yield dividends in the form of a substantial reduction in accident claims which are lodged against the fund. The New NP supports this Bill. [Applause.]] 26 June 2001 Page 175 of 256 Bill agreed to in accordance with section 75 of the Constitution. The Council adjourned at 17:21. __________ ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS MONDAY, 25 JUNE 2001 ANNOUNCEMENTS: National Assembly and National Council of (JTM) 25 Provinces: 1. The Speaker and the Chairperson: (1) The Joint Tagging Mechanism on June 2001 in terms of Joint Rule 160(6), classified the following Bill as a money Bill: 26 June 2001 Page 176 of 256 (i) Revenue Laws Amendment Bill [B 36 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 77). TABLINGS: National Assembly and National Council of Provinces: Papers: 1. The Minister of Finance: Explanatory Memorandum on the Revenue Laws Amendment Bill, 2001 [WP 2-2001]. 2. The Minister for Justice and Constitutional Development: (1) Government Notice No R.354 published in the Government Gazette No 22239 dated 20 April 2001, Amendment of Regulations, made in terms of 81(2) of the Attorneys Act, 1979 (Act No 53 of 1979). 26 June 2001 Page 177 of 256 (2) Government Notice No R.373 published in the Government Gazette No 22265 dated 30 April 2001, Rules regulating the conduct of the proceedings of the various Provincial and Local Divisions of the High Court of South Africa: Repeal of Rule 37A, and Transitional Provisions, made in terms of section 6 of the Rules Board for Courts of Law Act, 1985 (Act No 107 of 1985). (3) Proclamation No R.28 published in the Government Gazette No 22247 dated 20 April 2001, Commencement of section 4 of the Criminal Procedure Amendment Act, 1997 (Act No 76 of 1997) from 20 April 2001. (4) Government Notice No 898 published in the Government Gazette No 22250 dated 20 April 2001, Directives under section 4 of the Criminal Procedure Amendment Act, 1997 (Act No 76 of 1997). (5) Proclamation No R.29 published in the Government Gazette No 22261 dated 30 April 26 June 2001 Page 178 of 256 2001, Extension of the period of operation of sections 51 and 52 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1997 (Act No 105 of 1997), made in terms of section 53(2) of the Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1997 (Act No 105 of 1997). (6) Government Notice No R.423 published in the Government Gazette No 22284 dated 18 May 2001, Regulations in terms of the National Prosecuting terms of Authority section 40 Act, 1998, read with made in sections 16(3) and 25(2) of the National Prosecuting Authority Act, 1998 (Act No 32 of 1998). (7) Proclamation No R.31 published in the Government Gazette No 22333 dated 28 May 2001, Dissolution of the Committee on Amnesty, made in terms of section 43(2) of the Promotion Reconciliation 1995). of Act, National 1995 (Act Unity No 34 and of 26 June 2001 3. The Page 179 of 256 Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism: Report of the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism for 2000-2001 [RP 67-2001]. COMMITTEE REPORTS: National Assembly and National Council of Provinces: 1. Report of the Joint Committee on Revenue Laws Amendment Bill on the Revenue Laws Amendment Bill [B 36 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 77), dated 25 June 2001: The Joint Amendment Committee Bill, on having Revenue considered Laws the subject of the Revenue Laws Amendment Bill [B 36 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 77), referred to it and classified by the Joint Tagging Mechanism as a Money Bill, reports that it thereon. has concluded its deliberations 26 June 2001 Page 180 of 256 TUESDAY, 26 JUNE 2001 ANNOUNCEMENTS: National Assembly and National Council of Provinces: 1. The Speaker and the Chairperson: (1) Assent by the President of the Republic in respect of the following Bills: (i) South African Sports Commission Amendment Bill [B 2B - 2001] - Act No 7 of signed by 2001 (assented President on to and 22 June Service Bill 2001); and (ii) South African Weather [B 54D - 2000] - Act No 8 of 2001 (assented to and signed President on 22 June 2001). by 26 June 2001 (2) The Page 181 of 256 Joint Tagging Mechanism (JTM) on 26 June 2001 in terms of Joint Rule 160(3), classified the following Bills as section 75 Bills: (i) Merchandise Marks Amendment Bill [B 33 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75). (ii) Trade Practices Amendment Bill [B 34 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75). (iii) Companies Amendment Bill [B 35 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75). (iv) National Parks Amendment Bill [B 38 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75). (3) The following papers have been tabled and are now referred to the relevant committees as mentioned below: 26 June 2001 Page 182 of 256 (1) The following paper is referred to the Portfolio the Committee Portfolio on Public Committee on Works, Transport, the Portfolio Committee on Housing, the Portfolio and Committee Forestry Committee on Water and on the Provincial Affairs Portfolio and Local Government. It is also referred to the Select the Committee Select Public Committee Environmental Committee on Affairs on Services, on and Local Land the and Select Government and Inter-Ministerial Task Administration: Report Team of on Development the Construction for the period Industry November 1997 to April 2001. (2) The following paper is referred to the Portfolio Committee on Foreign Affairs and to the Select Committee on Economic Affairs for information: 26 June 2001 Page 183 of 256 Agreement between the Government of the Republic of People's South Government Republic of Commission of of of the and of on a the Binational Co-operation, section the Democratic Algeria establishment terms Africa tabled 231(3) of in the Constitution, 1996. (3) The following paper is referred to the Portfolio Committee Constitutional Select the on Standing paper to The Report and the and of contained in the referred to the is Committee and Security Affairs. Auditor-General following Justice Development Committee Constitutional on on Public Accounts for consideration and report: Report and Financial Statements of the Legal Aid Board for 1997-98, 1998-99 and 1999-2000, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial 26 June 2001 Page 184 of 256 Statements for 1997-98, 1998-99 and 1999-2000. (4) The following paper is referred to the Portfolio and Committee Forestry Committee on on and to Land and Water Affairs the Select Environmental Affairs: Government Notice No R.509 published in Government June Gazette 2001, compulsory Measures to No 22355 Regulations National conserve dated relating Standards water, made 8 to and in terms of section 9(1) and 73(1)(j) of the Water Services Act, 1997 (Act No 108 of 1997). National Council of Provinces: 1. The Chairperson: 26 June 2001 Page 185 of 256 Bills passed by National Council of Provinces on 26 June 2001: To be submitted to President of the Republic for assent: (i) Airports Company Amendment Bill [B 20 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75); (ii) Road Accident Fund Amendment Bill [B 21 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75). 2. The Chairperson: Message from National Assembly to National Council of Provinces: Bills passed by National Assembly on 26 June 2001 and transmitted for concurrence: (i).. Revenue Laws Amendment Bill [B 36 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 77). As the Joint Committee on Revenue Laws Amendment Bill reported on the Bill (see Announcements, Tablings and Committee 26 June 2001 Page 186 of 256 Reports, p 793), it was not referred to a committee of the Council. It has been put as an Order of the Day on the Order Paper of the Council for consideration. (ii) Appropriation Bill [B 10 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 77). The Bill has been referred to the Select Committee on Finance of the National Council of Provinces. (iii) Administration of Rationalisation Estates Bill [B Laws 24B Interim - 2000] (National Assembly - sec 75) (introduced as Administration of Estates Amendment Bill [B 24 - 2000] (National Assembly sec 75). The Bill has been referred to the Select Committee on Security and Constitutional Affairs of Provinces. the National Council of 26 June 2001 (iv) Page 187 of 256 Agricultural Research Amendment Bill [B 25B - 2001 (Reprint)] (National Assembly - sec 75). The Bill has been referred to the Select Committee Affairs on of Land the and Environmental National Council of Provinces. (v) Close Corporations Amendment Bill [B 31B - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75). The Bill has been referred to the Select Committee on Economic Affairs of the Council of National Council of Provinces. TABLINGS: National Provinces: Papers: Assembly and National 26 June 2001 1. The Page 188 of 256 Minister for Justice and Constitutional Development: (a) Report of the South African Law Commission on a New Sentencing Framework, Project 82 [RP 57-2001]. (b) The Fourth Interim Report of the South African Law Commission on Aspects of the Law Relating to Aids, Project 85 [RP 402001]. COMMITTEE REPORTS: National Assembly and National Council of Monitoring Committee on Provinces: 1. Report of the Joint Improvement of Quality of Life and Status of Children, Youth and Disabled Persons on Study Tour to Germany, dated 9 June 2001: The Joint Monitoring Committee on Improvement of Quality of Life and Status of Children, 26 June 2001 Page 189 of 256 Youth and Disabled Persons, having undertaken a study tour to Berlin, Germany, from 7 to 14 October 2000, reports as follows: A. Background The study tour took place as a result of the Committee's decision to meet the German Parliamentary Committee on Labour and Social Affairs as well as non-governmental organisations children, youth (NGOs) and concerned disabled with persons. A programme for the delegation was compiled by Mr G Setlhoke and Mr J Beck from the Office of the South African Embassy in of the Berlin. 1. Composition of delegation The delegation comprised following: Members of National Assembly: Ms M S Maine (ANC); Mr L Nzimande (ANC); Ms E 26 June 2001 Page 190 of 256 Gandhi (ANC); Mrs Mbuyazi (IFP); Mr V Gore (DP); and Ms M Rajbally (MF). Members of Provinces: Mr delegation Mkhaliphi National Council of B - of Willem (Eastern leader Cape); (Mpumalanga); Mr Mr T J Setona (Free State); and Mr N Raju (KwaZuluNatal). In addition, three personal assistants and the Committee Secretary accompanied the delegation. 2. Terms of reference To study the German - (1) policy of and legislation children, persons; youth in and respect disabled 26 June 2001 Page 191 of 256 (2) policy and programmes in respect of children, youth and disabled persons, And to learn about - (3) how their carries parliamentary out oversight its function and the policy legislation of children, of monitoring, especially and committee implementation youth in and of respect disabled persons; (4) the role of governmental NGOs in monitoring policies and programmes, and their effectiveness in meeting the needs of children, youth and disabled persons. 3. Objectives of trip (1) To learn drawbacks from the successes experienced by and the 26 June 2001 Page 192 of 256 Germans in the fields outlined above. (2) To take these experiences into account in developing own policies and legislation. (3) To develop monitoring own oversight functions, taking and into account the German experience. 4. Consultations and briefings Meetings were held with the following: (1) Dr Beate Schmidt-Behlau, Dr Jorg Maywald and Mr Karl Spath, of the National Coalition for the Implementation of the UN Convention for the Protection Rights in Germany. of Children's 26 June 2001 Page 193 of 256 (2) Mr Burkhard Director of Wilke, the Managing Germany Central Institute for Social Matters. (3) Dr Hartmut Section for Prevention, and Haines, Basic Head of Programmes Rehabilitation, Rights of the of Policy Integration of Disabled People. (4) Mr Bernhard Schneider, Head, and Dr Gerhard Polzin, Assistant Head, of Interministerial Staff Representative of Government Affairs for the at Federal concerning Disabled People. (5) Dr Dolly Conto Obregon, Director of the International Archive Research Street and Children Counselling Centre. (6) Dr Edith State Niehuis, Secretary, Parliamentary and Mr Jochen 26 June 2001 Page 194 of 256 Weitzel, Deputy Head of Division for Children and Youth Policy. B. Meeting with Ambassador Prof Bengu, the South African Ambassador to Germany, briefed the delegation on the Binational Commission between South Africa and Germany, facilitating for the high-level purpose dialogue promoting co-operation on national concern South Africa focal areas to of key and issues of and Germany. The following identified for five further were consultation and negotiation: 1. Educational and vocational training. 2. Promotion of the private particularly small businesses. sector, 26 June 2001 3. Page 195 of 256 Low-cost housing and infrastructural development. 4. Rural development and management of natural resources. 5. Government and administrative advisory services, particularly at provincial level. The delegation the Embassy was is further at informed present that involving churches and the private sector to assist in the elimination of poverty in South Africa. Strategies have been developed by the Embassy to ensure collaboration between the government, the private sector and very good churches. The Germans have developed policies on education and skills training in order to unemployment. deal A with study poverty of these and in particular would be of use to South Africa. 26 June 2001 Page 196 of 256 The delegation noted that the South African government is embarking on policies aimed at transformation and development, and that the Committee will benefit from this study tour. C. Consultation for 1: German Implementation of National UN Coalition Convention for Protection of Children's Rights in Germany 1. Introduction The delegation was briefed by Dr Beate Schmidt-Behlau, Dr Maywald and Mr Karl Spath Jorg of the Coalition. The delegation learnt that on 24 May 1995, 40 German NGOs, engaged in the field of child and youth welfare and policies, Coalition. formally By founded September 1999, the the number of affiliates had risen to 90 organisations, covering a broad 26 June 2001 Page 197 of 256 spectrum of areas pertaining to the rights of the child. 2. Aims of Coalition (1) To encourage and monitor government action towards implementation of the convention. (2) To invite promotors cross-section towards the of from a society to implementation convention, and conferences, broad of to workshops act the hold and open fora on relevant issues. (3) To discuss convention and in disseminate Germany for the all children up to the age of 18. (4) To support children the and discussion involvement young and the convention. people of in the implementation of 26 June 2001 Page 198 of 256 (5) To exchange process information of on the implementation at international level members activities about and inform in the international field through the NGO group in Geneva. 3. Structure and working method Since March 1996 the German Child Welfare Alliance has been hosting the secretariat of the Coalition. Start-up funding foundation was provided Deutsche from the Jugendmarke and enabled the Coalition to employ a fulltime co-ordinator and secretariat for a year. Further funding from the German government has been secured up to the year 2001. A steering committee of 16 members, eight of whom represented organisations affiliated to the German Child Welfare Association, agreed on a 26 June 2001 Page 199 of 256 list of principles, statutes and regulations. Its decisions among all based members, regularly, months. are about In and every March on consensus it two 2000 meets to the three steering group nominated Mike Corsa and Dr Jorg Maywald as speakers of the Coalition, for two years. In accordance with the member organisations, this group develops a plan of action and decides on strategies to promote the implementation of the convention. As a follow-up recommended in observations steering themes on the of the group mentioned concluding Committee, examined in activities the the particular statement of the Coalition on the government report submitted to the Committee on the Rights of the Child in Geneva in 1995. 26 June 2001 4. Page 200 of 256 Topics covered Working groups are sometimes established to draw up recommendations, policies and discussed then in strategies. the steering forwarded Parliament, public, the to implementation to the media and promote of the These are group and government, the broad the full convention in their respective areas. Topics that have been dealt with since the establishment of the Coalition, are - (1) the rights of the child in the reform of parent and child law; (2) ecological rights of children; (3) rights of asylum-seeking children, child soldiers children in war; and the rights of 26 June 2001 Page 201 of 256 (4) rights of children in institutions, for example in the school system; (5) rights of needy children and allocation of resources; (6) rights of disabled children; (7) rights of children without German passports. 5. Ministerial support The Ministry Affairs for has suitcases", libraries the consists of materials financed which and promote Youth were Family 1 200 "media distributed institutions convention. a and selection currently working A of to to suitcase the best available in Germany on children's rights, including a video series on 20 articles of the convention by German TV, music, books and a public relations manual for 26 June 2001 Page 202 of 256 teachers, social professionals, in workers order to and make the convention widely known. They have a law which bans violence, especially corporal including emotional children. There programmes, violence, are for punishment, also example against interesting a programme aimed at helping children catch up on what they did not learn at school, and a programme called "youth in work" for young people who cannot find jobs. The project endeavours to skill the youth for specific jobs and then find them employment. Their definition interesting. They of children define a is also child as being from birth to 14, and a youth as being 14 to 18. Their education takes longer than other countries: Preprimary learning takes 26 June 2001 Page 203 of 256 place from three to six years. Entrance is at seven years, and they spend 19 years at school. They therefore enter university or other tertiary institutions at a fairly mature age of over 24, and they complete their education at between 26 and 30 years of age. They therefore enter the job in each market at a much later stage. They have an ombudsperson State, looking into children's issues. These ombudspersons administration and administration. towards are within reports Their ensuring main to aim protection the the is of, provision for and participation towards the best interests of the child. They ensure that approach on there is a children's comprehensive issues; for example, when they plan traffic laws, they take account. children's needs into 26 June 2001 6. Page 204 of 256 What seemed to work well (1) The structured working relationship between seemed the to government bring positive and NGOs results, and thus the movement is growing. (2) Media idea suitcases are for dissemination the an excellent of information. (3) Extra programmes for learners who cannot cope. (4) The longer period of education results in a more mature and better skilled workforce. (5) The idea of ombudspersons and the consultative children. 7. Lessons learnt mechanisms involving 26 June 2001 Page 205 of 256 (1) They have access to more funds. (2) They have a low rate of unemployment. (3) They do not have infrastructural backlogs. (4) They do not have a large illiterate population. (5) They do not have problems of stark poverty. D. Consultation 2: German Central Institute for Social Matters 1. Introduction The delegation briefing Wilke, sessions Managing Institute. stores had The consultation with Director Institute information Mr on a and Burkhard of the collects and database and 26 June 2001 Page 206 of 256 supplies information to those who need it. 2. Budget The Institute is to a large extent self-sustaining. It is partly financed by the Ministry of Social Affairs, and 70% comes from charity organisations, from the interest on fees derived from auditing charity organisations and from fees paid by various organisations and individuals for the provision of information. 3. Focus The Institute provides services mainly in Berlin. It supplies information on social issues, leaders in the field, books and articles on issues of social interest, organisations lists in of the charity field of 26 June 2001 Page 207 of 256 environmental and animal protection and developmental aid. 4. Method of operation The Institute research, does but not collects conduct research material from universities and provides it to the clients. They also gather information from literature, scientific journals and books. 5. Clients Information is provided to students and private Labour associations; and the the National Minister of Coalition on the Implementation of the Convention of the Child; industry and commerce; the German and Chancellor Catholic students of of Cities; associations; social welfare donors work; universities of applied science. and and 26 June 2001 6. Page 208 of 256 Kinds of services provided (1) Information on CD ROM. (2) Books. (3) Monograph. (4) Magazines. 7. What seemed to work well (1) Centralised collection and dissemination of information. (2) Efficient and well-run service. 8. Obstacles (1) Lack of infrastructure in rural areas would make a centre of this kind inaccessible to many. (2) Cost would be a problem. 26 June 2001 Page 209 of 256 (3) Poverty would make it difficult for people to pay for services, hence self-sufficiency would be difficult to attain. E. Consultation Prevention, 3: Basic Programmes Rehabilitation, Policy of and Rights of Disabled People 1. Introduction The delegation had a consultation and briefing session with Dr Hartmut Haines, Head of the Section. The briefing focused on the following: (1) Accessibility of buildings for disabled people. (2) Social levy system. (3) Integration system. and special schooling 26 June 2001 Page 210 of 256 (4) Training of disabled people. (5) Monitoring role of the Section on policy related to disabled people. 2. Accessibility of buildings New buildings established, are accessible to disabled people, but old ones are not. Future planning on the construction buildings and will reconstruction take into account of the needs of the disabled. 3. Policy in respect of disabled (1) To take steps disability is to ensure reduced that through preventative measures. (2) To ensure that disabled people are fully integrated mainstream, must have failing special into the which, they provisions in 26 June 2001 Page 211 of 256 order to obtain education and become self-sufficient. 4. Interesting areas (1) Social levy system. (2) Integration and special schooling system. (3) Training of disabled people. (4) Employment of disabled people. A law requires that every employer must employ at least 5% (previously 6%) disabled people. Should they receive an application from a disabled person and select a "normal" person for the job, then, to the extent that they are not fulfilling the 5% requirement, they have to pay a levy to the government (for Those not who complying do employ with the quota). disabled people, 26 June 2001 Page 212 of 256 but do not have the full quota, pay a levy of 200 DM. Those who do not employ any disabled people, however, pay a much higher levy. This levy goes into a fund to be utilised for the needs of the disabled. 5. What seemed to work well The levy system was unique and seemed to achieve its goals. 6. Obstacles Access to buildings, etc, was not well developed. F. Consultation 4: Head and Assistant Head of Interministerial Staff at Representative of Federal Government Disabled People 1. Introduction for Affairs concerning 26 June 2001 Page 213 of 256 The delegation had a discussion with Mr Bernhard Schneider, Gerhard Polzin, the the Head, and Assistant Dr Head. Their briefings focused on - (1) the legal framework; and (2) the integration of disabled persons in the Federal Republic of Germany. According to section Rehabilitation medical should necessary to of Harmonisation services cover 10 all for Act, rehabilitation areas prevent the a of support threatening disability, to eliminate a disability, to alleviate it or to prevent its aggravation. According to section 100 of the Act, an employer with a workforce of 16 or more are obliged to ensure that at least 6% of the workforce disabled persons. comprise severely 26 June 2001 Page 214 of 256 This obligation applies not only to the private sector, employers. but The also to federal public employment service monitors the fulfilment of this obligation through compensatory employers a system levies who obligation. payable fail The of to revenue by meet from the these levies may only be used for employment promotion and vocational advancement in respect of details are Disabled severely disabled embodied Persons in the persons; Severely Compensatory Levy Regulation. 2. Rehabilitation of disabled persons (1) If a person physical, suffers mental or from a psychological disability, he or she is entitled to assistance, regardless cause of disability. of the 26 June 2001 Page 215 of 256 (2) Benefits such financial benefits regardless receives as a of medical are whether disability and provided, the person pension or not. (3) Where necessary, rehabilitation provided through medical benefits are hospitals or special facilities. (4) Vocational rehabilitation benefits assist to help a disabled person to keep or get a job. (5) This also include other forms of employment and vocational promotion assistance, aimed at making it possible for a disabled person to find adequate and suitable work in the job market or in a workshop for disabled people. 3. Vocational youth training centres 26 June 2001 Page 216 of 256 These centres work in conjunction with firms in their respective regions to provide initial vocational training for young disabled persons who require medical, psychological and educational assistance as a result disability. Germany has of their built up a network of 46 vocational youth training centres with a capacity for some 12 300 trainees. Eight of these centres with an admission capacity of approximately 2 300 are located in the former East Germany. 4. Vocational retraining centres The centres firms also work in the regions retraining and further disabled adults psychological Germany's retraining who and network centres together and similar of has provide training require 28 with for medical, assistance. vocational capacity for 26 June 2001 Page 217 of 256 15 000 trainees. Seven of these centres are located in eastern Germany. 5. Vocational training centres These centres are special rehabilitation centres for people with mental disabilities. They aim to help people, realistically assessing their job prospects so that they can rejoin the mainstream courses There for are job market training currently or go on or retraining. eight vocational training centres, with a total of 457 places. 6. Vocational rehabilitation clinics These clinics are special for persons disabilities, paraplegic or such as heart rehabilitation with head special injuries, diseases. At present, Germany has 17 such clinics, 26 June 2001 Page 218 of 256 with 2 780 beds, in the western part of the country. 7. Workshops for disabled persons These workshops offer suitable jobs for persons who temporarily are unable permanently to find or employment in the open market, due to the nature or severity of their disability. They provide disabled persons with an opportunity regain to develop, the increase ability to or work productively, and to earn a wage while doing so. At present, Germany has 640 State-approved workshops which offer 166 000 jobs; 173 of these workshops, with approximately located in persons health, eastern working workshops 27 000 are Germany. in covered accident, jobs, each under long-term pension insurance schemes. are Disabled of these Germany's care and 26 June 2001 8. Page 219 of 256 Special provision for severely disabled persons As a severely disabled person, one can claim benefits to assist in compensating for disadvantages arising from disability. These benefits are normally contingent on the existence of specific health conditions, and include - (1) tax concessions (in particular, the standard allowance for disabled persons); (2) free public transport; (3) reduced vehicle taxes; (4) special parking facilities; (5) exemption from radio and television licence fees. 26 June 2001 9. Page 220 of 256 Free public transport If a disability significantly reduces mobility in respect of road traffic or if a person is incapacitated or deaf, he or she is entitled to free public transport on production of a pass that is marked accordingly. This applies to trams, buses, suburban trains and railway travel, where they are part of an integrated regional transport system. The subsidiary system of free transport is limited to second class travel on local trains within 50 km of the person's home. 10. What worked well (1) The four-step approach that has been developed, has a lot of merit. It is clear and precise about the different categories of disabled persons and who qualifies for what kind of assistance. 26 June 2001 Page 221 of 256 (2) Their youth development programme is also a very good model. 11. Obstacles Lack of funds is a problem, but not the major problem. G. Consultation Children 5: Archive International Research and Street Counselling Centre 1. Introduction The delegation had consultation and discussion with Dr Dolly Conto Obregen, Director of the Centre. The briefing focused on the number of activities and projects in respect of the main task of the centre - street children, in Germany as well as in other locations, such as Africa, Asia, Latin America and Europe. 26 June 2001 2. Page 222 of 256 Background of Centre The Centre was established in 1984 to document the work already achieved and the different children 1994, or approaches street the to children. Centre systematically homeless Since has involved been in the situation of street children, both from a research perspective and from a rehabilitative and service perspective. Since then, the Centre has realised that, in order to be able to develop lasting solution approaches, political intervention, international discussions and networking are needed. At present, the Centre has developed four projects in respect of street children. (1) Information desk project The main focus of this project is the collection of documentation, project evaluation, publications of 26 June 2001 Page 223 of 256 any kind (books, scientific papers and materials sectors), available and to from to both all media make these researchers as well as the public. The aim is to accelerate street research children approaches concerning and towards a to develop solution for this category of person. (2) Research project Based on the analysis of existing approaches, the Centre attempts to demonstrate new research fields with this project, where a network of institutions and individuals aspire to seek practical solutions. (3) Counselling project The findings from the documentation and research activities on the life of street children has contributed 26 June 2001 Page 224 of 256 to the counselling work directed towards the following: (a) Political institutions, scientists, educational specialists, teachers, NGOs, street pupils, workers, students of social science and humanities, and towards all people who are interested, and active, in the field. (b) Offering package students to a service prepare for practical placements abroad, as well as for activities in Latin America, Asia, Africa and Europe. 3. Main work activities The main work activities of the Institute focused on the following four issues: Documentation; public 26 June 2001 Page 225 of 256 relations; placement; training and courses regional and and international networking. (1) Documentation (a) Archives about street children all over the world. (b) Articles in newspapers and magazines. (c) Unpublished documents. (d) CD-Roms, internet publications. (e) Photo exhibitions. (2) Public relations (a) Series of lectures, and video evenings. seminars 26 June 2001 Page 226 of 256 (b) Discussions in schools and conferences and institutions. (c) Specialised benefit events. (3) Training course (a) Street workers/educational specialists. (b) Methodological planning of projects. (c) Monitoring and controlling. (d) Teachers as multipliers. (4) Placement (a) Preparation of students practical placement abroad. for 26 June 2001 Page 227 of 256 (b) Practical placement in Africa, Asia, Latin America and Europe. (5) Regional and international networking (a) Exchange of experiences and reinforcement of dialogue. (b) Improvement of scientific co- operation. (c) Intercultural encounters. 4. What worked well (1) The research and rehabilitation programmes are good. (2) Focus on the disabled is also good. 5. Obstacles 26 June 2001 Page 228 of 256 Placement of children abroad is not such a good idea. H. Consultation 6: Parliamentary State Secretary and Deputy Head of Division of Children and Youth Policy 1. Introduction Dr Edith Niehuis, the Parliamentary State Secretary, and Mr Jochen Weitzel, Deputy the Head of the delegation governmental Division, on policy the and briefed German programme in respect of children and youth. 2. Child and youth policy The Federal Republic of Germany has a wide-ranging system of and child socially and youth underpinned services. Child and youth services describe the area of social work that serves to 26 June 2001 Page 229 of 256 promote the development of young people outside school. 3. Youth reports Of particular importance to the child and youth policy are the youth reports on the situation of young people and the welfare achievements of child and youth services, which the government has to Bundestag and Bundesrat parliamentary assessing situation, proposals and youth report the overall further provide situation the in the reports services, should to each Apart analysing the on present term. and federal from current contain developing child and third an in each overview of respect of child and youth services. The youth report have, inter alia, two important functions. These are to make the public aware of the situation of 26 June 2001 young Page 230 of 256 people, spheres and of activities to encourage society which to will all take on promote the interests of children and young people. As already mentioned, child and youth policy cuts policy areas. presented across in many Family the family different reports policy are area. The nine youth reports and four family reports which document detail have studies the conditions appeared which situation of children, to date, describe in and living young people and families in Germany. These reports also have a considerable impact on the legislative process on youth, family policy, on children and specific political measures. 4. What worked well (1) Media protection is well-run. and on 26 June 2001 Page 231 of 256 (2) Youth programmes are good. 5. Obstacles Funding. 6. Principle of responsible subsidiary for child bodies and youth services agencies One of the main features of child and youth services voluntary make a and is the activities statutory commitment. In bodies. the field of NGOs of youth work, day care for children and residential care, the voluntary sector provides most services and facilities. 7. Statutory youth services Statutory another youth the youth dimension services voluntary services of system. youth the represent child and Together with services, they 26 June 2001 Page 232 of 256 implement the Child and Youth Service Act at three levels: (1) Federal level The Federal Ministry for Family Affairs, Senior Citizens, Women and Youth is responsible for preparing legislation and financing measures of national importance and programmes intended to serve as a model for the child and youth plan of the federation. (2) Local self-government level They have to legislate for their own areas. Child and youth policies are developed by voluntary organisations within the parameters of the Federal Services. UN Act Convention on Child and and the Youth 26 June 2001 Page 233 of 256 (3) State level Programmes for child and youth care have to be drafted for the development of youth. 8. Voluntary services structure at three levels (1) National level (at this level models for projects are developed). (2) State or provincial level. (3) Local or municipal level. In addition, to ensure uniformity and cross-border government uniformity, has now the federal appointed a Committee of State Secretariat, and it reports to the Youth Ministry. Parliament, they also have commission, comprising all a In youth parties. There are youth offices responsible for 26 June 2001 Page 234 of 256 advisory, co-ordinating planning and and regional further training functions. 9. Local child and youth services agencies The main burden of statutory youth services work falls on youth offices in districts and administrative in towns districts which in are their own right. The Child entrusts relating and them to Youth with Services all individual Act decisions welfare cases and with responsibility for curatorship by the youth office and guardianship. 10. Participation by young people Youth participation services is requirement, element for not but the in shaping youth merely a procedural also an essential effectiveness of the 26 June 2001 Page 235 of 256 service itself. Service Act principle The lays that Child down and Youth a basic and young as children people are to be involved, in line with their level of development, in all decisions concerning them, taken by the statutory youth services bodies. According youths to this must Act, be children informed and in an appropriate manner of their rights in administrative proceedings proceedings before the and in guardianship court and the administrative court (s8 - Child and Youth Services Act). Furthermore, the law expressly provides for the young participation people in the of children selection of or an institution or foster home within the scope outside of socio-educational the family (s36 - provision Child Youth Services Act). 11. Media and protection of young persons and 26 June 2001 Page 236 of 256 Section 6 of dissemination the of Act regulates writings the harmful to young persons. It sets out cases where the media must be regarded as a source of danger to the young. Among media representatives likely to cause serious harm to young persons, are those who - (1) are racist; (2) deny the holocaust; (3) glorify violence; (4) play down violence; (5) represent which violence violates human in a manner dignity, for instance child pornography. Media members putting young persons seriously at risk are indexed by law. In other words, there are restrictions on making their work available. 26 June 2001 Page 237 of 256 12. Laws relevant to children and youths In addition to the basic provisions, there are many general laws such as the German Civil Code, the German Penal Code, the Federal Social Assistance Act and the Employment Promotion Act, which are of particular children, There young are significance people also and laws to families. which deal exclusively with the specific problems of children and young people, for example the - (1) Juvenile Court Act; (2) Protection of Young Persons at Work Act; (3) Promotion of the Voluntary Social Services Year Act; (4) Promotion of the Voluntary Ecological Service Year Act; 26 June 2001 Page 238 of 256 (5) Vocational Training Act; (6) Vocational Training Assistance through Planning and Research Act; (7) Adoption Procedures and Implementation Act; (8) Federal Education Grants Act; (9) Child and Youth Services Act. 13. What worked well (1) The string of laws are good. (2) They are able to tackle the aftermath of HIV/AIDS. I. Guided tours The delegation went on three guided tours of historic significance. 26 June 2001 1. Page 239 of 256 House of Wannsee Conference Introduction In this house, on 20 January 1942, 14 top officials bureaucracy of and the Obergruppen-führer chief of Office, the the SS, led Reinhard Reich discussed implementation ministerial SS Heydrich, Security the of by Main organisational the decision to deport to the East and murder the Jews of Europe. The meeting was called the "Wannsee the Conference". Conference, Eichmann, was The summary prepared found in by 1947 of Adolf in the files of the German Foreign Office. On the 50th anniversary of the Conference, 20 January 1992, a memorial and education centre was opened in the villa. The sections: house now has three 26 June 2001 Page 240 of 256 (1) Permanent exhibit This exhibits documents the conference, but not only also its history, starting in 1933, and its conseguences until provides information entire basic process 1945. of on it the segregation, persecution, deportation and murder of European Jews. A separate section deals with the history of the building. The photographs without as exception well as sources, the used, a and time. from few were were almost officials, private German unpublished Exceptions were at German Jewish activities after 1933, taken by Jewish press photographers, and the liberation of the concentration camps in cameramen. 1945, shot by Allied 26 June 2001 Page 241 of 256 (2) Educational section This section offers youth and adult group study days or longer seminars geared and towards specific professions, in or interests out of school. A wide range of subjects is offered. (3) Mediotek This contains the standard academic literature, fiction and eye-witness reports on Nazi history, literature on Jewish history, racism and works, a anti-Semitism, neo-Nazism, document reference collection on microfilm and microfiche, a picture and sound videos. archive, These films materials and are available for use on the premises by seminar participants individual visitors. and 26 June 2001 2. Page 242 of 256 Sachsenhausen former concentration camp The visit revealed the horrors of Nazi rule and the inhuman conditions under which prisoners were forced to live. 3. Gandhi to Walesa Museum This Museum was housed in a building used as an office at the Check Point Charlie Border Post. It is dedicated to non-violence action struggle human for comprehensive information, and non-violent rights. It collection photographs and is a of material in respect of six different non-violent struggles around the world. It is of importance to note that South Africa and Germany have certain common features: (1) There are situations, similarities in that in both both are 26 June 2001 Page 243 of 256 transforming issues of and grappling poverty, with unemployment, racism and degradation. (2) Germany their has more problem is resources, not as and huge as ours. (3) They are also integrating two States and creating new systems and policies in terms of international best practice. The tour therefore has revealed many lessons of importance for South Africa. J. Recommendations 1. To SA National Youth Commission (1) Germany has access to more funds than we do. They have a low rate of unemployment, they do not have a major infrastructural backlog, they 26 June 2001 Page 244 of 256 do not have a large rate of illiteracy and they do not have as much poverty as South Africa. The Committee strategy of comprising recommends media that the suitcases, publications on children's rights made available to the youth, be studied closely with a view to copying it. (2) Their vocational youth centres and vocational centres are excellent training retraining methods of passing on skills to young people. It may be a good programme to copy. (3) Their programme of youth reports to be presented term, with to Parliament proposals for each further development and giving an overview of the situation of youth and children, is an excellent method of constant review and planning. These 26 June 2001 Page 245 of 256 reports are holistic also based approach. For on a example, there were nine youth reports and four family Committee's reports reports during visit, and helped when the those looking at legislation and policy issues. The Committee recommends that the above be investigated further. 2. To Department of Social Development (1) They have a comprehensive system of social assistance, which needs to be studied to help our planning for a comprehensive system. Apart social assistance from social assistance, they offer benefits to all disabled persons, whether these persons receive social assistance or not. There is a system of tax concessions, free public transport, reduced vehicle taxes, special 26 June 2001 Page 246 of 256 parking facilities and exemption from radio and television licences. The Committee recommends that the above be investigated further. (2) They have areas a clear policy in four of assistance for the disabled: (a) Social assistance for persons suffering from physical, mental or psychological regardless of the disability, cause of disability. (b) Medical benefits and rehabilitative are provided for anyone who needs it, regardless of whether the person receives a disability grant or not. (c) Education in an open school as well as special schools geared 26 June 2001 Page 247 of 256 towards vocational rehabilitation is provided for those who are trainable and may be able to work. They also get assistance to enable them to who can compete in keep a job. (d) For the those open levy market, system there to is a encourage employers to employ and promote them. The levy system is legislated, and says that at least 5% of the staff must be of every disabled. employer If receives application for non-disabled selected, employer a job person then, to the an an and a is extent that the 5% requirement is not met, that employer has to pay a levy to the government. 26 June 2001 Page 248 of 256 Employers who do not employ any disabled persons, pay a higher levy than those who employ some but have quota. The not fulfilled money goes their into a fund to be used for the needs of the disabled. The Committee recommends that the above be investigated further. (3) Legislation and policy are designed to and apply at local national, government provincial level. There are problems in ensuring uniformity while allowing for local peculiarities. The Committee recommends that this interesting area be studied further by those child policy. and looking youth at comprehensive legislation and 26 June 2001 Page 249 of 256 (4) The Committee also recommends that the German control over the media in the interest of children also be studied further, in order to look at openness against a degree of censorship. 3. To Department of Education (1) The introduction of vocational training for young people and the relationship centres and between and training employers, industries make factories the training relevant and ensures that students are trained for the work they intend to do. This is working well and helps to focus on skills development. (2) They have schooling, a longer which period ensures of that workers are more mature and better 26 June 2001 Page 250 of 256 able to handle the stresses and strains of work. (3) Their efforts to integrate disabled children into the main stream of education, while also ensuring that some specialised retained, is an schools are experience from which we can learn in our education transformation process. The Committee recommends that the above be investigated further. 4. To Department of Labour (1) The co-operation Department education of between Labour sector in and the the vocational training is worth copying. (2) The levy system to encourage employers to employ disabled people is also an important system to 26 June 2001 Page 251 of 256 further study, with a view to implementation. The Committee recommends that the above be investigated further. 5. To Office of Deputy President Policies and legislation applied by the compiled Germans have and many important features, as outlined above. The Committee recommends that these be studied further in order to see what is already in place in our country, what we still need to do and how we can adapt some into our own legislative and policy framework. 6. To Joint Monitoring Committee (1) The Germans have a conference with NGOs and groups of children and youths to discuss issues identified 26 June 2001 Page 252 of 256 by them and to look at ways of overcoming problems. Thus they can identify what is happening on the ground and what the feeling is, and then come These up are Ministers, with suggestions. submitted to look to at the possible legislation or policy shifts. This is a good way of involving the sector in a constructive way and in ensuring that laws and policies are not static, but continually change to provide for new needs. (2) They also research and material a a unique central resource bank, all aspects on development Such have issues facility can can be where of found. assist in ensuring that there is a flow of information and that people do not repeat what previously, but has are been tried enriched those previous experiences. by 26 June 2001 Page 253 of 256 The Committee recommends that the above be investigated further. 7. To Department of Arts, Culture, Science and Technology (1) Three museums were visited, and each was unique in its historic and comprehensive research Interestingly, looking for they content. were further still history and artifacts. Each also had a specific educational content, and encouraged schools, universities communities to seminars such and as participate discussions. poverty, unemployment, are exhibitions and violence, depicted then Important lessons preserve, collect, in Issues racism degradation disseminate and and in the discussed. on how to annotate and information, learnt from these museums. can be 26 June 2001 Page 254 of 256 (2) South Africa's racism, history apartheid, of the wars, freedom struggle, peaceful negotiations and accommodation of diversities are important lessons for posterity. If collected, preserved and annotated comprehensively, important it can message become for an the international community. The Committee recommends that the above be investigated further. K. Conclusion The Committee delegation was well received by their German institutions and counterparts federal at all the ministries. The study tour was rich in briefing sessions, to enable experiences us to with compare those Republic of Germany. of South African the Federal 26 June 2001 Page 255 of 256 The German social levy system, the training and employment of disabled persons and the youth services programmes served as good examples for our country, with a view to improving the quality of life and status of our children, youth and disabled persons. Report to be considered. National Council of Provinces: 1. Report of the Select Affairs on the Business Practices) Committee Consumer Amendment on Economic Affairs (Unfair Bill [B 28 - 2001] (National Council of Provinces - sec 76), dated 26 June 2001: The Select Committee on Economic Affairs, having considered Consumer Practices) Affairs Amendment the subject (Unfair Bill [B of the Business 28 - 2001] (National Council of Provinces - sec 76), 26 June 2001 referred Page 256 of 256 to it, reports amendments [B 28A - 2001]. the Bill with