Large Housing Estates in France Success and fail factors of policies RESTATE report WP8 Fatiha Belmessous Christine Chemin Franck Chignier-Riboulon Nicole Commerçon Marcele Trigueiro RESTATE Restructuring Large-scale Housing Estates in European Cities: Good Practices and New Visions for Sustainable Neighbourhoods and Cities Utrecht 2005 Faculty of Geosciences, Utrecht University Table of contents 1 Introduction .............................................................................. 3 2 Presentation of the estates ....................................................... 3 3 Policies selected ....................................................................... 4 4 Success and fail factors as described by the CUR and other actors .............................................................................. 5 4.1 Description of the success and fail factors ........................................ 5 4.2 Trends ......................................................................................... 5 4.2.1 Policy of the central state, between integration and social marginalisation ............................................................................. 5 4.2.2 Economic development .................................................................. 7 4.3 Education ..................................................................................... 8 4.4 Financing ..................................................................................... 9 4.5 Urban planning questions ............................................................... 9 4.6 The integration of health programmes ........................................... 11 4.7 Debate of the success and fail factors of the policies applied ............ 12 5 General conclusion .................................................................. 13 5.1 Judgement on possible fields of generalisation ................................ 13 5.2 Suggestions for items to be targeted or to be avoided in policies, programmes and projects ................................................ 13 References ......................................................................................... 16 List of people interviewed.................................................................. 17 2 1 Introduction The inventory of success and fail factors in the rehabilitation and running of large housing estates needs to take into account a few preliminary remarks. First of all, the context of the inventory is of great importance, in terms of historical and economic background, territorial scales, use and quality of data (secondary or first analysis), types of stakeholders, actions analysed by the researchers. We must also note that, in France, this valuation of the public policies related to the social housing has been realised during the 1980s and the beginning of the 1990s. In spite of various calls in order to do it necessary, the national evaluation has been stopped. For instance the Sueur Report of 1998 (Sueur, 1998) and the Audit Office of 2002 (Cour des comptes, 2002) complained about the piling up of the policies and their sector-related nature. And this lack can be considered as the first and general source of failure. 2 Presentation of the estates At this moment, we will give a short presentation of the two estates, which were used as examples: La Ville Nouvelle, in the commune of Rillieux-la-Pape and Les Minguettes, in Vénissieux. In fact, the estate of La Ville Nouvelle is the ZUP1 of Rillieux-la-Pape, built between 1960 and 1976. This estate has a high density: 7,472 dwellings in 157 hectares. Among these apartments, 5,526 belong to the social renting system (HLM), administrated by four social partners. Furthermore, the territory of La Ville Nouvelle is divided into seven neighbourhoods: Verchères, Bottet, Charmilles, Rivot, Semailles, Allagniers, Velette and Mont-Blanc. It is also important to mention the geographically exceptional situation of this site: due to its privileged position, this estate has one of the most beautiful sights of the whole Greater Lyon. The estate of Les Minguettes is the largest of Greater Lyon in terms of inhabitants: 21,312 inhabitants in 1999.2 Built between 1965 and 1975, this estate became internationally well-known with the social and race riots of 1981, through several reports in TV. This first period of social troubles pushed forward national policies for urban social questions. However, Les Minguettes also seem to be an example of urban reconstitution, if we take into account all the projects, which have been carried out, in particular through the urban renewal operations: demolition, reconstruction and rehabilitation. Moreover, the stock of social housing is administrated by eleven social partners. ZUP: ‘Zone à Urbaniser en Priorité’ (urban development zone). ‘Observatoire des Territoires Sensibles de l’Agglomération Lyonnaise, Rapport Annuel 2000, Communauté Urbaine de Lyon’. 1 2 3 Nowadays, the estate of Les Minguettes has 9,200 housing units, and 7,271 of them are designated to social location. 3 Policies selected The people who we have interviewed have selected the policies. Therefore, within these policies, we have chosen the factors to illustrate the success and fail aspects. The choice of the key actors has been done in regard to their functions, their needs and their goals. In fact, they were motivated by the questions and their arguments have given us an orientation for listing the most important policies they have pointed out. During the interviews, we have tried to not influence the interlocutors and to let them show, based on their own independent experiences, the categories of policies they would like to approach3 (Table 3.1). Table 3.1 Policy / programme or project Sectoral / integrated or mix of both Top-down /bottom-up or mix of both Outcome or process oriented Borloo Law (demolition) ZFU (free taxes) Sectoral Top-down Outcome oriented Sectoral Mix of both Outcome oriented ZEP Sectoral Top-down Process oriented Urban planning programme Sectoral Mix of both Outcome oriented Health programme Mix of both Mix of both Outcome oriented Type of action targeted at a) estates b) general urban matters c) social, educational, welfare policy in a wider sense Estates Estates / economic policy Estates / social and educational policy Estates / general urban matters / social, educational and economic policy in a wider sense Estates / social, educational and welfare policy Source: own research, 2004 The overwork of certain key actors did not permit the organisation of the focus group, as it was indicated by the methodological orientations. In this sense and according to the deadlines, we have tried to employ the same directives during individual interviews. 3 4 4 Success and fail factors as described by the CUR and other actors 4.1 Description of the success and fail factors Amongst the various interventions of the interviewed persons, members of the CURS, and others as well, six main items have emerged, feeding the questioning; each item has been considered both as a success or a fail factor in the rehabilitation and running of large housing estates. First of all, the urban state policies have been quoted and judged as a main question; then, the economic development has been pointed out, before the education system, the financial budget allowed to the large housing estates, the demolition and rebuilding programmes and, at least, the integration of health programmes. 4.2 Trends With regard to the urban policies, the fail factors are more reported than their success ones are. Generally speaking, they are stigmatised as being too much ideological, far away from the reality, and successively added one after the other, without taking into account the scarce audit reports ever done. Also, as a fail factor, the complex administrative divisions are mentioned, except for the large extra-territorial entities like Greater Lyon where the space solidarity works better. 4.2.1 Policy of the central state, between integration and social marginalisation One of the most important themes for stakeholders and local technicians is about the involvement of policies (educational ones, safety ones and so on) and actors to provide equality of treatment and to create a common identity. Creating a common identity means living the same citizenship and sharing the same nation values and perspectives. In fact, in spite of the implementation of several and successive policies, the gap increases about the cultural aspects and choices, even if the issue has got solution in a personal way of national inclusion. Of course, social, economic (impoverishment) and segregation (discriminations) trends are general evolutions and build the conditions of concentration of deprived and ethnic populations within neighbourhoods in decline. Otherwise, the involvement of public partners is strong and has increased along the last decades. One of the most noted aspects is the proximity policy, i.e. the development of local offices to answer quickly and precisely to inhabitants’ demands. For instance, the neighbourhoods’ offices of social landlords, the neighbourhoods’ offices of jobs centres, the increasing of leisure centres for young people and so on. Thus, the aim is to territorialise public policies, to provide best services and to be present within the 5 neighbourhoods in decline. This type of action is a success with an improvement over the time. Certain respondents told us the public policies have supported local initiatives, particularly in the second half of the 1980s. Nevertheless, according to several interviewees (educational persons, social workers, employment trainer or the mayor of Vénissieux), the citizenship feeling declines linked to specific cultural perceptions and demands. For our respondents, the French state is present by public services and humanistic civil servants but common and republican values have been deserted. The actors consider two main aspects. On the one hand, some persons think this type of urban territories has not the same rights and treatments: because of the media’s visions or police interventions; the right of a normal daily well-being is not respected; they are marginalised citizens. On the other hand, and in relation with the first case, some interviewees believe local and national authorities have accepted bad behaviour evolutions; this kind of tolerance has involved social perversions as acceptation of local violent relationships. Consequently, inhabitants ‘want their rights but nothing identifies the common law in the neighbourhood’. The general development, i.e. of more segregated cities, may explain this situation but our key actors gave us other elements explaining this failure. Five conclusions can be presented. For the mayor of Vénissieux, the urban policy is only ‘a cosmetic policy’ to mask real and increasing problems, especially for the extreme religious way; so, this policy is inefficient to respond to a larger problem of exclusion. For other people, this failure is linked to too much tolerance for deviant social attitudes, in relation to indifference towards these neighbourhoods in decline (managing the ghetto itself) or in relation to colonisation guilty attitude and so on. The third element finding out in interviews concerns another aspect of indifference: in order to obtain ‘social peace’, authorities have accepted or allowed deviant behaviours if the deviance is closed into the neighbourhood; the ambiguous attitude towards a revival, radical, Islam is integrated in. The fourth argument is that authorities did not work correctly in the beginning of the 1980s: to answer to local demands in a too humanistic way, they accepted deviant attitudes, these ones were considered as expressions of social demands of victims of the French capitalistic product system. The last position is about unadapted public policies approaches. Therefore, in spite of attempts over the last decades, authorities cannot answer efficiency to local deviances. And, currently, the usual desertion involves more difficulties to resolve this issue. Finally, the main issue is the combination between a no change situation (‘the social lift does not work’ according to André Gérin, mayor of Vénissieux) and the institutional actors do not give an image of success and efficiency for the inhabitants, with the same opportunities of success for each one. This context supports development of religious and ethnic explanations about integration, social inclusion and citizenship. So, a part of the arguments of radical Islamic groups or associations is to consider Muslims have got fewer 6 rights than other citizens and, therefore, they are victims of a state discrimination. Then, they build a social and political translation of social conditions. This type of development changes the relationships with other parts of the population and with local actors, especially to the women. This attitude involves an enforcement of exclusion. 4.2.2 Economic development According to many actors (linked to economical policies or not), including economic actions within global policies towards large housing estates constitutes a new scale. This consideration of economic development was born in 1996 with the government of A. Juppé (prime minister from 1995 to 1997) that launched tax free zones (Law no. 96-987) with the purpose to mix activities and populations and encourage improvements into economic situations. Initially, the policy was planned for three types of declining areas: the Zones franches urbaines (free tax urban areas), the Zones de redynamisation urbaine (economic dynamic for urban areas) with fewer tax concessions and finally the Zones urbaines sensibles with restricted advantages. The present right wing government has decided to continue with this policy (the former government of Jospin wanted to stop it) by according longer time to contracts and extending this policy to 41 new sites in ZFU (only 44 in the former version). They have begun in January 2004. Properly the communes of Rillieux and Venissieux were in ZRU from 1997 to 2003 and have been included in ZFU in 2004. Among the successful actions noticed in the interviews, the implementation of free tax areas both in Venissieux and Rillieux is notified. Actually, the communes have to manage the relative demands of enterprises that want to benefit the free taxes. If the economical partners favourably consider the programme of Rillieux, the case is different for Venissieux whom the bad image of the estate still remains. But, these assertions must be toned down because at the same time, they say that the appreciation of the estate is not so important for managers. Another factor of success noticed concern the new management of the Greater Lyon in this policy. Indeed, since 2001, a new job of ‘Chargé de mission au developpement local’ (in charge of the local economic development within Greater Lyon) has been created and constitutes the counterpart of the ‘chef de projet’ (urban project manager). This person has to coordinate all the economic actions made within Greater Lyon, not only those estates in decline. The city-centre Lyon is on the road to become a quite important territory in economical way. But, these innovations concern few territories. The political discourse of the Mayor Gerard Collomb, president of Greater Lyon, traduces the ambition to find a balance between the arrival of many societies in Lyon and the decline of certain estates. According to Greater Lyon the responsibility of economic policies in all the territory, the political intention consists on 7 making the meeting of all the actors. The discourse shared by many actors on this new situation is positive because Greater Lyon has got legitimacy in these actions. Some fail factors have been pronounced and concern first the piling up of the competences. For example, for the ZFU running, three levels of responsibility are involved: the services of the commune in charge of the discussion with the enterprises; the services of Greater Lyon in charge of the animation of the process; the services of the central state. If in the former ZFU, this accumulation of actors did not constitute a serious problem, with the new ZFU, some actors (specially Greater Lyon) are afraid of this. This constitutes a problem of legitimacy. The communes do not want to be excluded even partially from this process. Another fail factor concern the integration of fragile population into the world of work. Greater Lyon and the local organisation of unemployment and insertion in the communes share this argument. Actually, the public of these organisations is different than before: it concerns many foreigners who do not speak the French language and have to learn it first and after follow trainings to be able to work; also people who prefer to live with welfare benefits, even if they are not so important, than having a partial job. Finally, these actors have to create new tools to encourage them to come back to work. The last fail factor concerns the problem of discrimination in the work. Many qualified young people living in these estates are discriminated because of their origin and their address. The feeling shared by the actors concern the necessary change of this situation to change the mind that when you come from these estates you have no chance to succeed. Some local actions are engaged specially in Rillieux with the creation of a consultative committee against discriminations. 4.2.3 Education In terms of education, three points are selected. The first one, as a fail factor, is a question of culture. Civil marriages have never been taken seriously by the state or the territorial communities. Certainly, for the disadvantages classes, some kind of preparation should have been organised, with the purpose to avoid the too many single-parent families and the problems they induce (explaining what is a couple, what are obligations to children, how to manage a budget, etc.). The second point is linked with the general rule of the ministry of education: young teachers are at first nominated in schools situated in difficult areas, such as suburbs with large housing estates. Also, after many years of an exhausting job, the best teachers are ‘worn out’ and ask to move. The third point is the recent actions organized for the parents, especially those facing major difficulties; meetings with teachers and parents permit to explain the school system and its missions. So, finally, pupils who did not go to school any more go back to school under their restored and efficient parents’ 8 authority, especially if the children are in a failure situation. In consequence, it appears that actions realised in a proximity field works better than general measures and to re-create a feeling of confidence is very important. 4.2.4 Financing The consideration of a policy often depends on its funds. In the case of the policies leading in depreciated estates, the financial question was recurrent. During the previous decades, the ambitious programmes were not really led because of the lack of funds. But, there is a significant change with the Borloo Law. In fact, 30 billion euros are devoted to the whole programme, among which 40 million euros for the free tax areas. According to the actors, this important effort is clearly orientated to urban projects and obscure a reality. Thus, social policies are very few financed. This situation exists in various sectors: local associations, social assistance, social utilities but also in the sector of the prevention of health. For example, local social structures cannot help the parents who cannot pay school meals for their children. More and more fragile children can not find a place in appropriated structures. Sometimes, they sleep in cars or go to institutional homes for young workers (foyers de jeunes travailleurs). These establishments are not adapted for this public. Finally, many social actors say that urban plans are more important than human beings. A lot of money is freed for the urban renewal and the human investment is forsaken. The actors of urban plans obtain easier money than social actors. Another type of discourse concerns the waste of money for these estates. Important funds have been set up to build these large housing estates and after to rehabilitate them and now to demolish them. The high cost for these buildings in a short period (less than twenty years since their rehabilitation) must be considered. 4.2.5 Urban planning questions The ‘urban renewal’ seems to have become a sort of official method in regard to the town planning. The policies concerned by the urban renewal are based on the reconstruction of the city: in fact, several kinds of interventions, like the rehabilitation, the demolition, the rebuilding, etc., could represent this policy, focused on the most degraded parts of the city (Trigueiro, 2004). Indeed, the objective of the urban renewal is to improve and to develop these territories but, at the same time, to break with the practices of urban spreading out. However, according to many actors of the urban context, the policy or the set of actions related to the urban renewal has positive and negative effects on the estates, even if the original idea still remains appreciated by political, technical and social actors. 9 Some of them believe that the urban renewal and, in particular, the actions of ‘demolition and rebuilding’ are better planned and managed than before; this point seems to be seen as a positive aspect. Nevertheless, according to the project supervisor, in charge of the sector of La Ville Nouvelle, in Rillieux-la-Pape, most of the urban actors prefer to make an inversion of these words and refer to the ‘rebuilding and the demolition’ of today. This term implies a very important deal for the housing question, because it clearly means that, nowadays, the priority is to find new dwellings for the inhabitants, before destroying the old ones. It is important to mention it, because there are many negative aspects related to the question of demolition: according to an agent of development, responsible for the sector of Armstrong, in Les Minguettes, Vénissieux, the loss of reference marks for the inhabitants, specially for the oldest people, is a fail factor related to the actions of demolition. Another positive local aspect, considered by some interviewed persons, could be called as ‘proximity managements’ or ‘proximity projects’: many agencies of social housing were created on the district, some persons in charge of the local development and of the social questions were engaged and the set of these ‘proximity actions’ is regarded today as a very important realisation in the estates. In regard to the urban renewal questions, several points were identified as fail factors. First of all, the different temporalities of the project represent today a very important problem: ‘the management of time is very complex; the representative of the government and the inhabitants want to go faster, but we cannot rebuild a city in one year’, said the project supervisor, in charge of the sector of La Ville Nouvelle, in Rillieux-la-Pape. The bureaucratic questions, another factor considered as a failure one, were also mentioned. In fact, on the one hand, the heaviness of the system makes that certain actors spend too much time on these issues; on the other hand, the city contracts have a very short duration: in this sense, the time is often summarised and the technicians are daily confronted to an important limitation of time. According to some of the interviewed people, this point could be seen as a particularity of the Greater Lyon: the communes (like Rillieux or Vénissieux) are much more flexible on this level. The fact is that the greatest part of the projects of the estates of Minguettes and Ville Nouvelle has a significant founding from the Greater Lyon, so the urban actors have to deal with this bureaucratic question. Paradoxically, the founding question was also pointed out as a success factor, because of the importance of the subsidies on the urban issues. Some success and fails factors, related to the questions of ‘demolition and rebuilding’ (as a part of the Borloo Law) were also identified. In regard to the success ones, we could mention the decrease of the rental loads: indeed, the lack of elevators and the improvement of the insulation, through solar energy experiments, could reduce the costs. The residential mobility inside the 10 district is another success factor: according to the agent of development, in charge for the neighbourhood of Armstrong, more than 80 per cent of the inhabitants of a demolished tower have chosen to be relocated within the district. Finally, the implication of the population on the questions regarding the future of the neighbourhood was mentioned as the third success factor.4 However, some aspects were also pointed out as fail factors. Among them: the excessive publicity, related to the demolitions; as mentioned before, the loss reference marks for the inhabitants; as well as the question of the destruction of buildings, which are in good conditions (some of them were only built in 1971). According to the project supervisor, in charge for the sector of La Ville Nouvelle, in Rillieux-la-Pape, the construction of the project is the most essential phase, regarding to the urban planning policies: ‘it is necessary to see if the questions were answered, before starting the execution (…); if some points couldn’t be solved, we will certainly have to face to big problems’. The last fail factor evocated concerns the gap between the offer and the demand of social housings. Actually, some associations revealed that Greater Lyon needs to build 45,000 dwellings each year to get a balance between offer and demand. Moreover with the Borloo Law, a new problem appeared. With the numerous programmes of demolition within the agglomeration, completed by this recurrent lack, in a short time, there will be a problem of relocation. According to the ideology of social mix within these estates, the new buildings are shared between renters and co-owners. But, for poor people who could not become owners, they will have to leave outside of Greater Lyon to find a cheap apartment. Within Greater Lyon, some technicians are aware of this complicated situation if the communes of West Lyon (rich communes) do not build some social dwellings. 4.2.6 The integration of health programmes In this policy, the prevention does not appear as a priority and is not often mentioned in the council contracts. At the communal level, the actors have a role of coordination between the different actors. But each actor has its preoccupation. For example the department leads many actions of prevention against cancer. The regional council fights against mother and childhood welfare. The difficulty is to lay down common orientations and make them by all. For example some doctors do not want to join with others about the problem of drug-addiction because the drug addicts are not a good image for the customers. The technical installations as regards health are important and varied. The French services are powerful for the treatment of pathologies with cares. Some associations, as the Roger Vailland Social Centre (Vénissieux), have carried out different workshops on the town planning issues: the project called ‘Hier, aujourd’hui, demain’ (yesterday, today, tomorrow), focused on the memory of the district Armstrong, proposes several activities to the inhabitants. 4 11 But the difficulties concern the pathologies in connection with the problems of public health, practices of life and behaviours with risk. These aspects can be treated in a policy of prevention. But the investments to do prevention are trifling. There is an important documentation about the health but the actors think that this support is not adapted to the population. The population does not read a lot or ca not read the French language. And the population is not projected in the future. The habitants have others problems and they do not analyse their behaviours in order to know if they incur some risks. 4.3 Debate of the success and fail factors of the policies applied This debate has concerned the members of the restate research and other researchers working about urban and social policies (interviews or articles). Actually, the long-term of the public policy towards these estates allows us to have a judgment on the new policy held on the Borloo Law. Currently, the programme for urban renewal act,5 the so-called Borloo Act, is based on a very large financial involvement: about 30 billion euros for 5 years. In order to regenerate neighbourhoods in decline, the programme is founded, on the one hand, on a physical transformation of this type of estate by demolishing blocks, opening neighbourhoods to the other parts of cities, and, on the other hand, by generating economic activities and creating jobs in relation with free tax areas inside and around the very large estates. This new orientation of the urban policy is translated within two types of analysis. Some researchers (Lelévrier, 2004, for instance) think the Borloo’s policy is a new conception of urban regeneration policies. Since more than 20 years, the urban programmes were focused on two main issues: an improvement of the physical aspects (environment and buildings) and a sustainable policy of social inclusion both. The urban solidarity6 act has been voted under the socialist government (1997-2002) and it is the beginning of the transition. The Borloo’s policy is the real implementation of this new issue where urban reintegration is above all a physical treatment, with an economic involvement, not really a social inclusion one. For other researchers, there is no a real gap between Borloo’s practices and previous ones. They consider the last acts as a general evolution since the 1980s, maybe in relation to the relative inefficiency of former programmes. Therefore, currently, that last programme seems useful to transform neighbourhoods in decline. Actually, French urban policy started a new orientation by introducing other new partners (private ones) and clearly oriented toward the demolition of the estates and the economical development. All the funding given by the state concerns these two aspects. For example, the responsibility of the demolition is 5 6 Act 2003-710 voted August 1st, 2003. Act 2000-1208 voted December 13, 2000. 12 in the hands of three parts (ANRU)7: the state, the housing corporations and the federation of employers. The local actors have been taken away from this organisation: the structure is now top-down and to get funds needs to conform the programmes to this structure. In an interview, the mayor of Rillieux-laPape talked about the problems with this structure with the project concerning the demolition and the reconstruction of buildings in La Ville Nouvelle. This structure has refused the project of reconstruction because the commune wanted to have 60 per cent of social housings and 40 per cent of private housings. The actors of the ANRU preferred the inversion. As the commune wants to have funds for the urban project, they have accepted the argument of the ANRU. With this national structure, we can admit the changes in the local running towards large housing estates in decline. 5 General conclusion 5.1 Judgement on possible fields of generalisation A possible field of generalisation is linked with the policies related to urban policies and large housing estates in particular. First, the key actors interviewed insist on the necessity to give a good start to a project. Wellplanned guidelines are required and the quality of the professionals in charge of the project is considered as a central point at this level. Secondly, there is also a strong need in the definition of the territorial scale of actions. Policies are mainly defined at a national level and they have to be adapted to the local situations. 5.2 Suggestions for items to be targeted or to be avoided in policies, programmes and projects Items to be avoided Many actions have not to be stricto sensu avoided, but improved. Yet, one point has been firmly considered as to be avoided: the question of the budgetary planning when it does not take into account the whole action. The financial difficulties during the project of Démocratie (Les Minguettes, Vénissieux), in the 1990s, were mentioned to illustrate this point: ‘when the actions had started, the founding had to be stopped because of the problems between public and deprived financers: only the demolitions could been achieved, nothing was rebuilt (…); today, this territory is an urban wasteland’ said the director of urban planning, responsible for the commune of Vénissieux. ‘Agence Nationale de Rénovation Urbaine’ (urban and national renovation structure) created with the Borloo Law. 7 13 Items to be targeted Many actions were quoted as to be targeted. A few of them can be put in relief. Public space is a key factor in terms of requalification and, overall, maintenance (reshaping of large green spaces and parking areas). Develop easy access to all services, especially sporting, cultural, leisure, education, social equipments. Financial help should be concentrated on a few sites to be more efficient and to confirm their derogatory character. Perimeter logics should replace general decisions, especially in concerning the social integration via the educative system as said by various advices from the Council of State. The republican values should also be restored via the reinforced state authority and principles. But the main target seems to be the evaluation of the urban policies. Very often, the urban contracts8 combine both a display of values and a programme of actions, a sort of catalogue which does not tell what has to be realised and when, and what is really relevant. This hazy way has been criticised a lot of times as it is very difficult to valuate the policies, at the end. Yet, more imprecise are the objectives, more necessary is the evaluation, as to prepare the debate between the various actors. In France, this is a recurrent problem because even if a traditional science about public policies analysis and evaluation exists, the one concerning the ‘politique de la ville’ is more complex. In fact, during the 1980s and the beginning of the 1990s, the global policy has been often evaluated (Lévy, 1987; Donzelot and Estèbe, 1992), the orientation of the policy did not really change. A decree signed in 1990 defines the objectives of such an evaluation: ‘The evaluation of the social and urban policies consists on assessing the outcomes and the spill-over effects of the programmes implemented on the one hand, and analysing the legal, financial and technical means, which have been used for these actions on the other hand.’9 Among researchers first and national politicians and technicians too, appeared contestations about this policy. The main argument is: how can the state continue to finance these programmes, which concern more and more estates (1300 in 1995), and without getting obvious results. The actual government has changed this orientation and seems to be aware of these opinions, in reality more to justify the disengagement of the state in the social field. By using the argument that the costs of these actions are more important than their results, they will probably stop the plan of urban contracts in 2006 and re-orient the programmes just towards demolition and economic Formal document signed by all the partners for 6 years and evaluated at the end of the contract. 9 Decree concerning the evaluation of public policies, 22 January 1990. 8 14 development. To evaluate, these new actions, the recent Borloo’s Act advocates to take ‘precise and measurable targets’ and an observatory should be created. 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Zimmermann. 16 List of people interviewed Responsible of Union-HLM, in charge of the south-east of France Catholic priest, in charge of the Rillieux parish, Rillieux-la-Pape Responsible for the economic development and the insertion, Greater Lyon Project supervisor, in charge of the sector of La Ville Nouvelle, in Rillieux-laPape, Greater Lyon Agent of development, responsible for the sector of Armstrong, in Les Minguettes, Vénissieux Responsible Lyon Métropole Innovante, Greater Lyon Responsible of the social aspects of the Urban Agency, Greater Lyon Director of the urban planning department of the commune of Vénissieux Social assistant, Centre Social Roger Vailland, Les Minguettes, Vénissieux Responsible of the service of social action and solidarity, Rillieux-la-Pape Director of the ‘OPAC du Rhône’, responsible of social housing rentals and social housing programmes Director of the Vénissieux Agency of the ‘OPAC du Rhône’ Responsible of social services of the school inspectorate of the Rhône 17