CONFERENCE AGENDA Disclaimer: “Athena” Crisis Management International Conferences are open fora for exchange of knowledge and ideas in the area of Crisis Management amongst experts from all over the world. Opinions expressed during the Conference by lecturers or participants do not reflect official position of the organizing country. Wednesday 2 July 2008 ● Conference Opening by the Greek Minister of National Defence, Mr EvagelosVassilios Meimarakis ● Welcome by the Hellenic National Defence General Staff Commander in Chief, General Dimitrios Grapsas Key-Note Speaker: Dr. Robert L. Pfaltzgraff, Jr. Professor of International Security Studies, Tufts University, President of the Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis. “Crisis Management. Looking back and looking ahead”. Q&A period Morning Session: “National Perspectives” ● “Athens Multinational Sealift Coordination Centre (AMSCC)” LtCdr Ioannis Stamatogiannis, Head of NATO and EU issues Section AMSCC ● NATO Maritime Interdictions Operational Training Centre (NMIOTC)” Cpt. (N) Peppas Dimitrios, NMIOTC Director of Education and Training ● “Defendory defence exhibitions: their Contribution to National Defence and Security” Mrs Dimitropoulou Tina, President of Defendory ● “French Presidency of the EU in relation with the management of crisis” Brig Gen (AF) Laurent Jean-Marc, Deputy Responsible for Crisis Management, Non-Proliferation and International Partnerships, Delegation aux Affaires Strategiques (DAS) 1 ● “The Austrian Contribution to EUFOR TCHAD/RCA –Tentative lessons in the Light of Six Month Participation” Lt Col. Manfred Tascher – Lt Col. Lattacher Johann, Ministry of Defence, Austria ● “The Complexities of Peace Operations today, Case Afganistan” Mr Starcevic Ivan, Minister Plenipotentiary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Croatia ●“Security in the Black Sea region. Bulgaria’s perspective” Col. Roumen Ivanov Kondev, Ministry of Defence, Bulgaria Afternoon Session “The Role of Media in Crisis Management” Moderator: Mr Livadas Panayiotis, Secretary General of Information ● “International Crises – International Politics and new Communication Technology (the dialectic between the domestic and the global)” Dr Giallouridis Christodoulos, Professor of International Politics, Panteion University - Member of the Scientific Board of Defence Analysis Institute (I.A.A.) ● “Socio-political crisis as a crucial criterion for the relationship between power and public opinion: a socio-psychological dimension - theoretical approach” Dr Papastamou Stamos, Professor of Experimental Social Psychology, Panteion University ● “Socio-political crisis as a crucial criterion for the relationship between power and public opinion: a socio-psychological dimension - lessons learned” Dr Prodromitis Gerasimos, Assistant Professor of Experimental Social Psychology, Panteion University ● “Electronic Media in Crisis Management” Mr Panagopoulos Christos, Chairman of the Board – Managing Director of ERT ● “Foreign Policy and Media in Crisis Management” Mr Koumoutsakos Georgios, 1st Councellor, Spokesman of the Hellenic Ministry of Foreign Affairs Thursday 3 July 2008 Morning Session “Prospects and Challenges in the South East Europe and the wider area” Session A: “The Balkans ” Moderator: Dr Arvanitopoulos Konstantinos, Associate Professor of International Relations, Panteion University – Director General of Konstantinos Karamanlis Institute for Democracy ● “Russia and Energy Security in Europe” Mr Savva Michael Ivanovitch, Minister- Counsellor, Russian Embassy in Greece ● “The fight for Serbia: is Europe the only way?” 2 Dr Keridis Dimitris, Associate Professor of International Relations, University of Macedonia ● “Russia’s re-engagement in the Balkans: Genuine or tactical?” Dr Fillis Konstantinos, Head of Center for Russia and Eurasia (Institute for International Relations) - Senior Associate Member (SAM) St Antony’s College, Oxford University. ● “The Euro-Atlantic Prospects of the Western Balkans” Dr Tziampiris Aristotelis, Assistant Professor of International Relations, University of Piraeus, Member of the Scientific Board of Defence Analysis Institute (I.A.A.) Q&A period Session B “The Middle East” Moderator: Dr Mazis Ioannis, Professor of Economic Geography/Geopolitics, Ionian University, President of the Scientific Board of Defence Analysis Institute (I.A.A.) ●“The Middle East, the Eastern Mediterranean: mutual implications, regional super powers, dangerous instabilities” Dr Nachmani Amikam, Associate Professor of Political Studies, Bar-Ilan University ● “The changing geo-strategic environment in the Middle East and World Politics” Dr Koutsis Alexandros, Associate Professor on Middle East Politics, Panteion University ● “Cyprus and the changing security environment of the Near East” Dr Iakovou Christos, Research Director of Cyprus Research Center (ΚΥ.ΚΕ.Μ.) ● “Global Terrorism and South-Eastern Mediterranean Intelligence Cooperation” Dr Nomikos Ioannis, Director of Research Institute of European and American Studies (R.I.E.A.S) Q&A period Friday 4 July 2008 Morning Session “International Organizations and Crisis Management” Moderator: Mr Andreas Kintis, Expert Counsellor, Hellenic Ministry of Foreign Affairs ● “Crisis Management and Lessons learned from Afghanistan” Lt Gen. Karl W. Eikenberry, Deputy Chairman of the NATO Military Committee ● “Military Diplomacy in the 21rst Century, multiple future threats and crises” Lt Gen. James Soligan, Deputy Chief of Staff/SACT ● “Civil Emerging Planning in the context of Comprehensive Approach” 3 Major Gen. Hatzidakis Antonis, ΙΜΜ ΝΑΤΟ ● “NATO Perspectives on Crisis Management Exercising (Planning, Conduct and Evaluation)” Mr Ilay Ferrier, Head of Crisis Exercising and Management Systems, Planning Directorate Operations Division of International Staff ●“EU Perspectives on Crisis Management Exercising (Planning, Conduct and Evaluation)” Mrs Vraila Marina, Head of Exercises Sector, Operation and Exercises Unit – Defence Issues, EU Council General Secretariat Q&A period ● “The OSCE’s Role in relations to Early Warning, Conflict Prevention, Crisis Management and Post Conflict Rehabilitation” Mr Pietrusiewicz Jaroslaw, Deputy Director for Operations Service of the OSCE Conflict Prevention Centre (CPC) ● “ESDP-A real added value?” Mrs Gramata Sofia, 1st Councellor, Head of Department for ESDP, Hellenic Ministry of Foreign Affairs ● “Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction: a Challenge for Transatlantic Security” Dr Dokos Thanos, Director General ELIAMEP ● “Writing Methodology of Geopolitical Analysis- structure, concepts and terms” Dr Mazis Ioannis, Professor of Economic Geography/Geopolitics, Ionian University, President of the Scientific Board of Defence Analysis Institute (I.A.A.) Afternoon Session “Response to Disasters” Moderator: Dr Tsapanos University of Thessaloniki Theodoros, Professor of Seismology, Aristotle ● “Emergency Planning – The role of the State” Mr Mouzas Margaritis, Secretary General for Civil Protection ● “Contingency Plans and Crisis Management in case of a major disaster or accident – International Cooperation” Police Major Tsounakis Georgios, Hellenic Police –Crisis Management Division ● “CBRN Crisis Management in urban environment” Col (Dr) Galatas Ioannis, MD, MC (Army), Head of Department of Asymmetric threats Joined Military Intelligence Directorate – HNDGS ● “The Hellenic Center of Health Operations and Crisis Management” Mr Spirou, Deputy Director of the Hellenic Center of Health Operations Conclusions 4 Conference opening by the Greek Minister of National Defense, Mr Evangelos-Vassilios Meimarakis Thank you very much. Ladies and Gentlemen, it is a great pleasure and honor for me to welcome you to the Crisis Management International Conference “Athena 2008”, which has become an institution. With such initiatives, as today's conference, our country seeks to promote information and the exchange of opinions, substantially contributing to the necessary endeavor of creating successful prevention, timely and proper crisis management in the complex current and rapidly evolving international environment. The new trends and challenges in the international environment impose a more and more complex and interdependent crisis management system. The complexity of the crises dictates the involvement of a wide range of services, political and military, both on an international and a national level, each of which develops specialized capabilities and manages specific competencies in the framework of a very wide operation. This multi-dimensional approach, or in other words, the comprehensive approach requires coordination, cooperation at a very high level of communication by the involved parties in order for it to function as effectively as possible. To the new challenges, on a geopolitical and geo-strategic level, asymmetric threats, terrorism, which endanger the efforts of the global community for peace, the Greek government and more specifically, the Ministry of National Defense, respond with continuous efforts to prevent conflicts, reduce tensions and to promote mutual trust and understanding. We sincerely seek to establish an environment of trust, mutual understanding and cooperation between 5 countries and peoples, especially in our wider area, our region aiming at their progress and prosperity. Therefore, with a series of initiatives and activities in the military and technical sector, but also in sectors like responding to emergency situations, we are creating a regional security system which we enhance daily and in which we hope Greece will play a substantial role. Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my pleasure to declare the opening of the Crisis Management International Conference “Athena ‘08”. I wish that its works will bear fruit and I am sure that during these works there will be an extensive exchange of opinions concerning crisis management mechanisms and the conclusions from the conduct of operations and exercises on an international level will be evaluated. The participation of military and political representatives of so many countries and international organizations thus proves the interest of the international community to study and deal with the challenges of our time. I am certain that from this conference will derive fruitful conclusions. I would like to welcome you once more and thank all participants for honoring us with their presence and wish you an enjoyable stay in our hospitable Greece. Thank you very much. Back to agenda 6 Welcome by the Hellenic National Defense General Staff Commander in Chief, General Dimitrios Grapsas Dear Minister, esteemed guests, Ladies and Gentlemen, It is a great pleasure for me to welcome you to the Crisis Management International Conference Athena 2008. I am glad that our country is today hosting representatives from over forty countries, international organizations and other bodies, as well as distinguished Greeks from the political, diplomatic and military domains. This conference, as you know, is organized by the National Defense General Staff under the auspices of the Ministry of National Defense with an aim to promote stability, security and good relations between states, as well as the exchange of opinions and knowledge in the sensitive sector of crisis management. Today, we live in a world of interactions between states and we often witness dozens of conflicts, civil wars and other extreme situations created by national, financial, social and environmental reasons causing instability in the international security environment. Our countries are called upon to face a series of threats, deriving from tensions and conflicts on a local, regional and global level as well as from the threat deriving from international terrorism. These threats affect the national security of our states, the stability, the prosperity of our citizens and the protection of the environment. In order to manage such threats it is necessary that there should be close cooperation and effective efforts, especially through international organizations, to maintain global stability, since it is the only safe path for the protection of both our cultural heritage and our common values. 7 The nature of the operations for the management of international crises has changed in the last decade, not necessarily due to the increase of their frequency, but mostly due to the complexity and the interaction of states when dealing with them. Under these circumstances, no state seems to be powerful enough to guarantee on its own international security and development. However, no state is so unstable that it cannot contribute to this sector. Crisis management is more of an art than a science and it especially depends on the knowledge as well as the qualitative value of the people in charge. The pre-defined procedures of crisis management do not necessarily constitute a solution, but they definitely lead those participating in the crisis management to make the fewest possible mistakes and omissions and to make the best possible decisions. I believe that there are no specific recipes for crisis management. Each crisis is unique and depends on the choices of the decision-makers and those who are responsible for managing the crisis. We could say that it is a composite, adaptive system, which consists of governmental and nongovernmental actors, organizational structures and procedures based on high-tech systems and mainly on up-to-date and accurate information. Multi-national organizations like the UN, NATO, the EU, but also states themselves develop new ways and methods to effectively prevent crises. The dominant issue of today’s complex crisis management environment is the cooperation amongst ourselves in order to create a special, understandable and realizable system, which will be able to function rapidly, collectively and effectively. Greece, thanks to its geo-strategic position, plays an important role and contributes greatly to the multidimensional issue of crises prevention. It participates actively in a series of initiatives and collaborations betweens states with an aim to prevent crises besides being present in peace support operations. The 8 experience acquired from the participation of the Greek forces in the safe conduct of the Athens Olympic Games, makes us confident that we are able to deal with various possible crises and contribute in this sector to the international community. Finally, I would like to thank you again for being here with us today and I wish you luck in your discussions. Thank you. Back to agenda 9 10 Crisis Management: Looking Back and Looking Ahead By Robert L. Pfaltzgraff, Jr. Presented at The Crisis Management Conference: Athena 2008 Organized by The Hellenic Ministry of National Defence July 2, 2008 Crises occur in all dimensions of human existence: between individuals, groups large and small, and, of course, nations. We also have crises between human beings and nature in the form of tornados, as well as forest fires such as those that took place in Greece in 2007. Crises may come about as a result of natural disasters such as floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, and tsunamis. To discuss the etymological origin of the word crisis, the term in English has Greek origins. English language dictionary definitions of crisis offer several important insights: Medically, a crisis is said to be the turning point for better or worse in the case of a patient. The patient either takes a turn for the worse or begins to recover after perhaps coming close to death. A crisis is an unstable or crucial time or state of affairs whose outcome will make a decisive difference for better or worse. A crisis is an emotionally significant event in a person’s life – such as a psychological crisis. There is the Chinese Mandarin character for crisis, which includes danger and opportunity. This idea is especially useful because it conveys the fact that we may create opportunities out of a situation that threatens us. Think, for example, of the economic crisis that faced Europe just after World War II. Out of this crisis came the Marshall Plan, NATO, and the European Union and unprecedented peace and prosperity in Europe. Danger gave way to opportunity. Effective crisis management consists of the ability to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat – to be able to look ahead with strategies and policy choices that enable us not only to surmount present threats and dangers, but also to build a better future. 11 The definition of crisis put forward so far encompasses international relations and domestic affairs, medicine and economics, crises between humans and efforts to cope with the forces of nature. Therefore, the concept of crisis cuts across many fields, academic disciplines, and human activities. Nevertheless, the focus here is the political, and within the political, the international crisis, although other types of crises are discussed below. Internationally, as the more general definition suggests, the term crisis also refers to a turning point – between peace and war. Some analysts have suggested that a crisis is a condition of neither peace nor war, but containing the elements of both and having the potential for transformation from peace to war. The crisis can escalate to war or it can be resolved or defused and thus the crisis can be de-escalated to a modus vivendi or even a lasting peace between former adversaries. Because a crisis is a threat to vital or core interests or values, the survival of the person or the group, the corporation or the nation is likely to be at stake. A crisis may arise from a situation of intensifying tensions or conflict that leads one party to take action against another party. Escalating tensions may eventually transform a political relationship from one of peace to one of war. There are also crises in which one side suddenly takes action to which the other must respond or confront defeat. We faced this situation when North Korea invaded South Korea in June 1950 or when the Soviet Union cut off the land access routes to West Berlin in 1948. In this kind of crisis there is likely to be the element of surprise. Surprise may be either “strategic” or “tactical”. We may be surprised in strategic terms about the event itself or tactically, about when or where it will occur. Surprise comes about when the initiator of the crisis conceals its planned action. There are many examples of such crisis surprise – the 9/11 attack in 2001, the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941, the Gulf War in 1991 when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, and the North Korean attack against South Korea in 1950. Surprise gives the initiator a major short-term advantage if the victim is caught off guard. Surprise characterizes many other types of crises as well. We are aware of the possibility of hurricanes, earthquakes, and tsunamis. They are more prevalent during some times of the year than others. However, the actual event may come very suddenly or in the case of hurricanes we may have a warning time of even a few days, although the storm may change course several times before releasing its devastation, as 12 we saw in Hurricane Katrina that devastated the city of New Orleans in early September 2005. However, as we know, storms may also come with little or no warning. Many thousands of people had no prior warning before the December 2004 tsunami struck in South Asia. In addition to surprise, crises may be the result of a failure of imagination – our inability to connect the dots properly. What is unlikely is therefore not the focus of our preparatory efforts. The unfamiliar becomes the improbable. We discard bits of information that would have enabled us to prepare for the crisis if only we had been able to think “outside the box.” We lose or overlook clues that would have given us advance warning. Even worse, we may deceive ourselves into believing that, for example, because Arab states do not usually attack other Arab states, Saddam Hussein would not attack Iraq or that Islamic fanatics would not commit suicide by flying airplanes into buildings on 9/11 because previous hijackers had goals that did not include the sacrifice of their own lives and the lives of the passengers. Therefore, surprise and self deception are perhaps two sides of the same coin. Psychologists remind us that we bring to decision-making the mindsets that draw on familiar patterns and discard that which is discordant. We seek cognitive balance and shy away from cognitive dissonance. Decision-making groups are prone to exclude information that contradicts or does not fit familiar patterns and to engage in “groupthink “leading to conformity and the failure to look at new evidence. Members of a decision-making unit may reinforce rather than question each other’s assumptions, analyses, and recommended courses of action that in retrospect may turn out to have been fatally flawed. A crisis is what political scientists have called a non-routine event – one of extraordinary importance. Most of the decisions that we make as individuals or groups are routine – what time to have lunch or when to go shopping or what kinds of military equipment to procure or when to hold a major conference. We can generally take the time needed to make such decisions. In sharp contrast, crises do not afford us this luxury. By their very nature as threats to vital interests or core values, we must take action sooner rather than later. Otherwise, we may not survive the crisis. Because of the fact that crises pose threats to core interests or values, they invariably bring into play the top decision makers – the President of the United States, the Prime Minister of Greece, the defense minister, the foreign minister, the senior military leadership. In the 13 case of a business corporation it is invariably the top leadership. In a medical crisis, we seek the leading medical specialists and treatments and wherever possible bring them together to help us determine the best course of action out of the medical crisis. The term crisis management had its origins in the Cold War, even though in fact we have been dealing with crises throughout history. Our Cold War goal was to manage crises with the Soviet Union so that they did not escalate to nuclear war. Crisis management became both the means and the goal because all such crises had the potential to get out of control, which of course we wanted to avoid because nuclear war could have ended civilization as we know it. We had several defining Cold War crises, none of which was more threatening than the Cuban Missile Crisis. Both sides had nuclear weapons on alert that could have been used had the crisis escalated to a higher level. However, the term crisis management is not fully adequate to describe crisis decisionmaking. We need to draw the important distinction between crisis leadership and crisis management. Crisis leaders decide what is to be done. Managers decide how it is to be done. Crisis leaders set the course of action to be followed, operating at the strategic level. Crisis managers have the operational and tactical-level tasks of making sure that what has been decided at the highest level actually gets done. Of course, the distinction between crisis leadership and crisis management can be blurred. The greatest and best leaders may also be good managers. Crisis managers must also often take leadership roles because they may have to take quick and bold action without the luxury of precise instructions from their leaders. Crisis leadership is deciding what is to be done and making sure that everyone down the chain of command is working from the same sheet of music. Otherwise, we would have a decision-making process akin to a fine academic seminar that results in excellent discussion, debate, and policy options – but no more – if the results in the form of decisions are not communicated to the field where their impact is to be felt as they are acted upon. Effective crisis management begins with a process that produces the best decisions and then sees that they are followed down the chain of command. Crisis management is stressful because of the nature of crises as major threats to nations, groups, or individuals – threats to the body politic or the human body – to the state or the corporation. Crisis leaders and managers may face periods of fatigue and 14 exhaustion because they work under deadlines and the risks and dire consequences of failure. Because the time available for decisive action may be short, they may have to act with inadequate information. As time lapses after the event, we know more and more about it. For example, there is probably no natural disaster or other crisis in which initial estimates of casualties were not revised as we learned more about it. At the time of 9/11 the initial reaction was that an aircraft had mistakenly flown into the World Trade Center building. This is well described in the 9/11 Commission Report, which makes fascinating reading on many of the issues of crisis management. Just as intelligence indicators in advance of a crisis may be lacking or, if they even exist, may be discarded or ignored, we are likely to have inadequate information immediately after the crisis hits us. We can only react with what we know, and what we know many not be sufficient but it is all that we have. This is an important point, because we often look back on crises with the benefit of hindsight as well as information and insights that were lacking at the time of the crisis. Crisis management requires the ability to draw on a large number of capabilities depending on the type of crisis. Crisis management brings into play a broad range of people, organizations, capabilities, and perspectives that otherwise may be seen as separate and unconnected with each other. These capabilities may include medical personnel, military forces, firefighters, police, airport security teams, and other resources for the protection of vital infrastructure, among many others. Crisis management capabilities may consist of military forces (armies, navies, air forces, and specialized units), diplomacy and diplomats, and intelligence collection and analysis. The capabilities for response to a terrorist incident are often the same ones that are needed for a natural disaster: transport for the evacuation of casualties, as well as food, water, medical supplies, and warning systems designed to alert people to get out of harm’s way. Therefore, our ability to cope with a natural disaster may be indicative of our ability to respond effectively to a manmade crisis such as a weapons-of-mass-destruction attack. Such response capabilities are what we call consequence management. Crises have certain timeless characteristics that can be discussed wherever or whenever they occur. Crises are messy, unstructured affairs in which our ability to manage will 15 never be perfect because crisis leaders and crisis managers usually lack intelligence information and, in the case of political crises, we face an enemy who usually seek to deceive or confuse us. Therefore, to predict when, where, or how a crisis will erupt remains more an art form than a science. We can best prepare for crises by having a range of capabilities that will be needed in almost any crisis. This has been called capabilities-based planning. We can also develop information and warning systems. We can also engage in planning that brings together departments, offices, personnel, agencies, and decision makers for simulations. Such exercises can be invaluable planning tools. Actual plans or scenarios themselves may be useless when the event occurs because seldom does the scenario fully resemble the real event. Nevertheless, planning as a process is essential. Those who will have to act together in a future crisis can gain valuable experience and expertise by crisis exercises that help them to get to know and work effectively with their counterparts in other departments and agencies and their opposite number in other countries. As we look back, crises have been a part of the personal, domestic, and international landscape from time immemorial, from the ancient world to the twenty-first century. Thucydides described a crisis between Athens and Sparta that resulted in the Peloponnesian War (431-404 BC). With the end of the Cold War we have faced a variety of crises, for example, in Southeastern Europe and elsewhere in the 1990s and into the first decade of this century. Most of the 1990s crises posed threats to our values, leading us to seek international participation in peacekeeping, peace enforcement, and other international interventions designed to end, prevent, or deescalate ethno-religious and other conflicts. We were unprepared to allow the continued slaughter of civilians after we saw on our television screens these grisly events in Bosnia and elsewhere. Here is an example of the power of the media shaping crisis management. With 9/11 and the twenty-first century we have entered another phase of crisis management in which we find increased importance for non-state actors, including terrorists who may gain access to weapons of mass destruction – the most dangerous people in possession of the world’s most dangerous weapons. In anticipation, we have made extensive preparations for consequence management – coping with the effects of a terrorist incident, in which dealing with the consequences is itself crisis management. 16 Looking ahead, we have a crisis landscape that contains unprecedented numbers of actors in possession of unprecedented capabilities for creating crises. This includes cyber attacks that could create disruptions in our vital infrastructure, producing cybercrises in the years ahead. We have already witnessed Russian efforts to engage in cyber attacks against the advanced information infrastructure of neighboring Estonia and Lithuania. There also remain numerous state-to-state crisis flashpoints, especially in East Asia and the Middle East. Terrorist crises could come about in our cities as we have seen in New York as well as Madrid and London in recent years. We have a complex global crisis map. In some regions there remains not only great potential for state-to-state crises, but also other types of crises between subnational and transnational groups and terrorist organizations, perhaps with nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons. Finally, as we look ahead, it is appropriate to consider other key focal points for crisis management: ● First – on the role of the media in crisis management, it is indispensable that as part of crisis management we have a media strategy in an era of the 24-hour news cycle and the Internet. The public must be kept informed, often on an hourly basis, and by the leadership itself whenever possible. People want to be reassured that those in charge know what they are doing and are prepared to communicate information to a public that is hooked in as never before, thanks to twenty-first-century communications. The media strategy must convey the competence of crisis leaders and managers in addressing the crisis. Messages must be consistent. Somehow we must tread the narrow line between providing accurate, up-to-date information while not spreading alarm that leads to panic. Without a media strategy, crisis management will fail. ● Second – the crisis map extends across the Balkans and the Middle East. We should highlight not only lessons learned from the 1990s experience, but also the extent to which Russia, as a state returning to the world stage, will reengage in and near the region and what this may mean for future crises. Key questions come to mind. For example, could we have altered the course of events had the United States and its NATO allies, as well as the broader international community, been prepared to intervene earlier and more forcefully in 17 Southeastern Europe in the 1990s? What do we need to do in the years ahead to minimize the prospect for renewed crises in this volatile region? ● Third – an understanding of the Middle East will be incomplete without reference to the potential for crisis from the development and deployment of an Iranian nuclear capability that international efforts have not been able so far to halt. There exists the ominous potential for an escalating crisis resulting in a military strike against Iran’s nuclear infrastructure. Moreover, the rearming of Hamas and Hezbollah by Iran could produce another crisis with Israel. All of the rockets used by Hezbollah against Israel in 2006 have been replaced with more advanced and more numerous capabilities. In other words, there have been both quantitative and qualitative improvements in such weapons. To this crisis map should be added the vast Asia-Pacific area, including the Korean peninsula and Taiwan-Mainland China, as well as India-Pakistan. The potential for terrorist acquisition not only of weapons of mass destruction, but also seizing power in a failed state such as happened in Afghanistan that becomes a base for international terrorist operations, adds yet another troubling dimension to our twenty-first-century crisis map. Therefore, no region of the world is out of bounds for twenty-first-century crises. International organizations have an important place in crisis management. Such potential roles should be neither denigrated nor exaggerated. International organizations can help to identify early warning indicators of impending crises. The International Atomic Energy Agency has provided detailed information about Iran’s nuclear program. International organizations can also play a key role in the de-escalatory phase of a crisis by providing good offices and mediation but usually only if both sides seek their help. Of course, international organizations such as the United Nations can and do engage in planning for the use of international capabilities, including military units, in humanitarian crises, helping to coordinate or helping to coordinate disaster response efforts. Last but not least, while the focus of crisis management is inevitably and invariably on the government because it has as a basic duty and obligation the protection of its citizens, the objects of attack nearly always include private sector infrastructure. Furthermore, civilians outside of government are likely to be at much greater risk than 18 military personnel as we look ahead. Civilian casualties usually far exceed military personnel losses in the wars of the last century. Civilians are the principal targets or objects across a broad spectrum of crises as we saw in 9/11 and in the case of natural disasters. The military invariably represent our first line of defense, along with other first responders. First responders are likely to include military personnel as well as civilians from government agencies and the private sector. Therefore, the ability not only to work with nongovernmental organizations, but also to bring into greater focus the private sector, including industry, medical personnel, and others, is essential to twenty-first-century crisis management. In the final analysis, we live in a crisis setting in which surprise will remain a defining feature of crises and the only surprise about the future will be the absence of surprise. Although there is much that we do not (and cannot) know, we can be certain that we will face a broad spectrum of likely crises for which we will need to maintain core capabilities that are agile, flexible, and adaptable if we are both to respond to future crises and help shape the future – to turn danger into opportunity. Back to agenda 19 Dr. Robert L. Pfaltzgraff, Jr. is President, Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis, and Shelby Cullom Davis Professor of International Security Studies, The Fletcher School, Tufts University. He has advised key administration officials on military strategy, defense modernization, the future of the Atlantic Alliance, proliferation and counterproliferation issues, and arms control policy. He has lectured widely at government, industry, and academic forums in the United States and overseas. These include the NATO Defense College, National Defense University, the Marine Corps University, the Army War College, the Air University, the Naval War College, and the Armed Forces Staff College. He currently serves on the International Security Advisory Board (ISAB), U.S. State Department. Dr. Pfaltzgraff teaches courses and seminars and designs and conducts simulations on crisis management. Back to agenda 20 Q&A Moderator: Professor, thank you very much for your enlightened presentation. It was, personally speaking, for me a lesson realizing the depth of the analysis on crisis, crisis management, crisis leadership. I dare say that there are concepts and ideas that need to be developed, evolved, put in as more problematic - if you wish – more thinking in our midst. I understand that there’s a lot of debate regarding crisis management, crisis leadership, crisis consequences, the involvement of international organizations. I understand that in a way you realized that role, I think you underlined that they can indicate early warning indicators if I heard exactly what you said. But of course to us, international organizations cooperation and also mandates by international organizations in allowing us to participate as a country to peace-keeping operations and crisis management operations are very useful and pertinent elements in our thinking and decisionmaking. I might have a question myself which, if I may refer to, is the ability according to your concept, to your thinking of how crisis management, crisis leadership and crisis consequences would be more effective and helpful to the transatlantic link, because you do know that this term sometimes or in the past has suffered some misunderstandings, some debates on both sides of the Atlantic. So, if you think you could elaborate on the essence and the role of the transatlantic link relating to crisis management. Dr Robert L. Pfaltzgraff: I would be very happy to elaborate on that issue. Let me say that the idea of crisis management and the transatlantic link go back to the very foundation of the Transatlantic Alliance in the period almost 60 years ago. And that the Transatlantic Alliance of course was founded in 21 response to a crisis that was unfolding with the deepening tensions between East and West in the Cold War era, so that the Transatlantic Alliance became central to our collective crisis management capabilities. And with the end of the Cold War, the term crisis management not only remained in NATO, but actually gained new currency. I can recall going to NATO Headquarters as a scholar and as an analyst – I was not an official – and going out to Mons, the NATO military headquarters and hearing the then Supreme Allied Commander, Gen. Galvin - who later became Dean of the Fletcher School, after he retired – talking to me and to others about the role that NATO would have in the 1990s in crisis management and I kept thinking, “What was he really talking about?” And then I started thinking some more about it and I thought “Well, yes. What we now have in Europe is the eruption - and he was thinking about this in the future, this was about 1991 and this was yet to come - we will face, he said, in the 1990s in Southeastern Europe a growing number of crises that are brought about by the breakup of Yugoslavia. And we in NATO had better begin to prepare our thinking about this: how we might work more fully together in this setting.” So what I’m saying to you is that the Transatlantic relationship was crucial to crisis management during the Cold War and it became very important and crucially important to crisis management as we saw it in the 1990s which had to do more, in the 1990s, with the ethno-religious wars or the crises that led to wars, the turning point between peace and war, how you prevent that, how you cope with it, how you de-escalate it, what type of capabilities you need and you will see all of this laid out for us as we think about the 1990s. And then there’s a third period through which NATO has lived; and that is now post 9/11. And it is the world from 2001 to – we’ll put a question mark after it because it’s 2008, but we don't know what 2009 holds or the rest of 2008 for that matter. And we know from this, that NATO has 22 become an extremely important part of the international landscape with regard to this era. I could speak for example about the NATO military operation in Afghanistan, which is an example of NATO’s adaptation to a new crisis environment. But there are many other examples. The only example of the invocation of article 5 of the North-Atlantic Treaty that we have so far came immediately after 9/11 and we had NATO aircraft in the form of early warning aircraft patrolling the skies over the USA in that period. No one in his or her right mind would have concluded that it would be on behalf of the US, not Europe, that article 5 of the North-Atlantic Treaty would be invoked. If any of us had stood up here 10 years ago and said that you would have thought that we were taking leave of our senses to make such a preposterous statement. Remember the only surprise about the future will be the absence of surprise, I said a few moments ago; there's an example - the unforeseen. Now, there’s another part to be answered to this question. And it is broader than NATO, but it is embedded in the Transatlantic relationship; and that is the sharing of information and intelligence. This has proceeded as many of you in this room may know better than I do because I’m simply an outside observer; I’m not part of the decisionmaking process of my country and certainly not of NATO. But I do know that there is unprecedented information-sharing on terrorism since 9/11 across the Atlantic. And that there was assistance during the Olympics that Greece received from NATO on terrorist possibilities that you wanted to make sure we prevented here in Athens in 2004. I could go on and on with examples of this and that we have had an amazing increase in cooperation across the Atlantic in intelligencesharing, intelligence interaction, because of the shared threats that we face in this new security environment. 23 Now, another point - and then I will stop because I don’t want to give another lecture here on this particular question – the issue of humanitarian operations. This is an extremely important one, because a large number of the problems that we face are international, have international ramifications and we need international assistance. If we have a tsunami or we have a major natural disaster of one kind or another and what this requires then is the coordination that is provided by the capabilities that NATO has. After all, NATO, over the years has developed exercises, planning capabilities and infrastructure. These are the kind of things that are needed in a capabilities-based analysis. And I’m arguing here that if we don’t know what the threat will be precisely, we do know that there will be a threat; and we know from the experiences that we have had with similar threats in the past that there are core capabilities I’m really repeating what I’ve said. And in those core capabilities, the Alliance structure and infrastructure is essential. So for all of these reasons in these three periods that I’ve outlined for you, it seems to me that the Alliance and the Transatlantic relationship more broadly are essential. So I thank you for that question. Major Gen. Hatzidakis, NATO Headquarters: First of all, thank you very much for your very clear presentation. I have a small remark and a question. With your presentation you gave us, let’s say, the general concept of what is a crisis, you indicated us how to face situations in a crisis and you gave some other examples of where the crises are taking place for the moment. So, you talked about surprise, the level of decision-making, capabilities-based planning, and so on. As you know, at NATO Headquarters now we are planning on the so-called comprehensive approach with special emphasis on the issue of effectsbased approach and operations. So the effects leads to the question, “How do we go out of a crisis?” What is the exit strategy?” From your 24 lecture – maybe I misunderstood – but I didn’t hear a lot about, let’s say, how do we go out of a crisis? What is the end state? How do we describe this? Because we are becoming involved in a lot of crises but then we realize that we cannot get out of them. I would appreciate some comment on that. Dr Pfaltgraff: Yes, I did not talk about exit strategies - or to put it into simple language – when to declare victory and go home. And it is very easy to state this in theory, but much less easy to follow it in practice. There are several points I would make however on this question. We could say that we end the participation in a crisis when the objective has been achieved for which we entered the crisis. And that may not give us a very good understanding of what we need to have in the crisis to assure that we achieve the objective. But what we do need to have – it seems to me - are a set of criteria that allow us to check off when we have achieved what we want to achieve. That is to say we need to have a set of criteria which is the beginning of an exit strategy. We have a reason for going into the crisis; if we are an international organization for example, if we are NATO or the UN, we have gone into the crisis because the members of the organization who are going to be committing capabilities to the crisis have agreed upon a set of objectives. So we need first and foremost to have that set of objectives agreed. Secondly, and this is extremely important, we need to make sure that we are prepared to commit the capabilities and I underscore that word “capabilities” that will be required to achieve the objectives upon which we agree. And that if we do not commit those capabilities and are not prepared to commit those capabilities there should be a very big question mark about whether we are indeed going to go into the crisis. That is an 25 essential part of the exit strategy as well; criteria and capabilities. We must have those two dimensions. I would argue though, that the problem that also arises here is what we in the US - and I don’t know if you use that word in NATO military circles as well – call mission creep. In other words, you go in for one reason and other events come up and you change the mission. You go in for example to distribute humanitarian relief supplies – I’m talking about Somalia in the US case in the 1992-1993 timeframe – but then you decide that you must engage in nation-building, to use our terms. You have a military force and a civilian capability that can do a very good job of giving out relief supplies but not so good at re-establishing order. So I think the first part of an exit strategy is to know more fully the magnitude of the problem that you face when you get in there. And if anyone has failed to do this – and I don’t like to criticize the US abroad – but we have often failed to do this. And of course the Iraq experience is one that leads us to understand that we need to know much more about the local conditions in developing the exit strategy. It is far easier to get into a crisis than it is to get out of a crisis. Those points come to mind. So I would say clear-cut criteria for intervention; clear-cut criteria for when we believe we have succeeded and can pull back; thirdly capabilities that are commensurate with the objectives that we have established; and fourthly a willingness on the part of participating members in the Alliance, if it is a coalition of the willing in the case of members of NATO or whatever it could be to sustain those capabilities. Now, again, that may not be entirely possible because we are inevitably – and I needn’t lecture this group and especially the Minister of Defense on this because we know that we live in societies in which voters and public opinion may change over time and what you have in the way of support today may change tomorrow, so that it may be difficult for NATO to 26 sustain the support that it needs. But these are the types of issues that I would address in thinking about the criteria for developing an exit strategy. Back to agenda 27 28 Session “The Role of Media in Crisis Management” Moderator: Mr Livadas Panayiotis, Secretary General of Information Ladies and Gentlemen, good morning. I would like to start by expressing my warmest thanks for inviting me to participate in this panel regarding the role of the Media in Crisis Management. I am sure that this International Conference that is organized annually since 1996 by the Hellenic National Defense General Staff will be both productive and successful. Ladies and Gentlemen, let me share with you some broader thoughts about the role of media in crisis management and especially about the role of the state in such extenuating circumstances. First of all, we must keep in mind that in the new era of information society in which we live, the field of communication has extremely changed. The rapid flow of the ever-growing amount of information that surround us, the plethora of new technological media and the tendency for globalization create a rather unfamiliar as compared to the past political and media environment. Under these circumstances the role of the mass media is even more pronounced and crucial, while public authorities and the state in general are called to present a constructive and powerful communicative performance. However, despite the fact that these new trends and communication environments affect the mass media and the state, the two are governed by inherently different logics. The media are today, in their majority, private entities seeking to achieve viability in the terms of intense competition between them. Especially the electronic media choose to lean towards a narrating reality in a manner that triggers people’s emotions rather than serve the public opinion’s pure rational judgment. Although they do conform to the specific values of a society and express 29 the wider cultural demands, it is also true that there is legitimate tendency to be critical against all forms of authority as they are obliged to be - and I stress that not to be misunderstood – has evolved into a prevailing trend that good news is no news. The rationale of the state is different. Let me share with you some very brief thoughts regarding the priorities of the state in the management of a crisis from the communications perspective. I will identify epigrammatically three major pylons. Credibility is the most valued asset and it has to be protected. It is built day-in and day-out in business as usual circumstances and it must not be undermined under extenuating circumstances. Speed is essential. From the first moment after an incident the state must show to an observing media community and an anxious public opinion that providing accurate information in a transparent way to the public, is one of her top priorities. The benefits are twofold. The media will be convinced that the authorities provide credible solutions to what they need the most; and that is information, while the state will have unobstructed channels in order to inform the public. And I must note that if the media and the journalists are not convinced, they will try to find information elsewhere and chances are that they will find it in fragmented and even distorted ways. The dangers for the quality of information that will reach the public are – I believe- obvious. By the same token the authorities are obliged to make certain that the communicational aspects must not interfere with operational needs and priorities. For example, we try our best to take into consideration the time constraints of the media, but there should be no doubt that the operational considerations in order to effectively, efficiently respond to a crisis will have priority. 30 Coordination and cooperation between the various organizational institutions which are involved in the management of a crisis is also very crucial. It is true that all of us try our best to ensure that the organization that we serve operates in the most efficient way. But perhaps you will agree with me that problems and most importantly failures occur when one organization has not comprehended the needs of its surrounding ones, when each and everyone of us has not realized that our colleagues of another institution depend on us in very specific ways in order for them to be efficient and successful and vice versa. And since no one can readily prepare for a crisis during a crisis, one must prepare in advance. One must be in constant alertness to identify where within his field of responsibility a crisis may arise, to also identify with which other organization he must cooperate in order to successfully overcome the challenge and regularly exercise so that the authorities as a whole reach the necessary level of operation readiness. If we are prepared operationally, then we can efficiently confront the communication challenges and most of all the authorities and the states can speak with one voice and broadcast a unique message. Back to agenda 31 32 "International Crises – International Politics and new Communication Technology (the dialectic between the domestic and the global)” Dr Giallouridis Christodoulos, Professor of International Politics, Panteion University - Member of the Scientific Board of Defense Analysis Institute (I.A.A.) Mr Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen, it is a great pleasure for me to try to analyze an issue that has to do not only with the overall international politics, i.e. facts and developments, actions and interactions, peace and war, conflicts and reconciliations, cooperations all over the world, but also with the course of humanity itself with regard to the factor of power, strength, political imposition and the role of society, public opinion, publicity in an era where everything changes; and everything changes in an inconceivably rapid way. Recently, a great communication specialist, Nigred Liuman, wrote that the image is devastating, i.e. the image of a dead person is tragic while the image of one thousand dead people is a statistic and he mainly referred to the contemporary wars, the so-called humanitarian wars. During the American Independence War we all remember – that is we’ve all read – that the belligerent British and Americans continued fighting for four months after the end of the war, that is after a peace agreement had been signed because at that time communication was realized through transportation means, the message was sent by carriage and when it arrived they either stopped fighting or they tried to come to an understanding about what to do. 150 years later, at the Vietnam War, the American and foreign reporters sent their dispatches after passing by the various military headquarters so that the message could be checked and therefore when a message was sent without being checked or censored it was news. 33 The same happened during the Falklands War, where reporters and their war correspondents who were on the ships gave their dispatch to the head of the information service of the flagship, etc, and all this military system in order for the message, the dispatch to be checked and then sent to the English newspapers or the world in general. So, here we have what we, technologists, call the hegemonic model. Until the development of the new technologies, the decline of the Soviet Union and the development of the CNN effect – which I will mention later on – we had a hegemonic syndrome which claimed that the relationship between politics, society and the public opinion, i.e. the production of politics, is at this point vertical, which means that politics influence the media and the media influence the public opinion. Nowadays, this has been reversed. The media influence the public opinion and the public opinion influences politics. I will attempt to present my short analysis in three stages. The first will be a systemic approach regarding the relationship between politics and the media; the second is the time – what is happening today with the transmission of images, that there is no time, time has been obliterated, the image is sent without any control or censorship by the reporters or at some extent uncontrolled; and the third is the relationship between this world divided between CNN and Al-Jazeera, what we call the CNN effect. The systemic approach says that inside the nation, in the relationship between politics and the media an interaction relationship is developing according to which the more the political power is weakened, the more the media’s power is enhanced; the media do not play political games. When a party or the party system or politicians are weakened, then the media are better able to impose their influence. When politics, the government, the party in power are powerful, then the media follow the hegemonic syndrome, because this leader, this internal example also dominates internationally. 34 For example, during the Cold War, where the American critical factor was powerful in its judgment as an interdisciplinary system, as an international system, let’s say that the media functioned as a loudspeaker to the system, i.e. they followed the values and politics system imposed by the states and mainly the US in the West. After the Cold War of course we had let’s say the period of great change, of subversion where we had two - besides all other technological developments and revolutions – we had the so-called in the ‘90s humanitarian wars, which were the wars, let’s say, that developed in this meantime and continue today in this era of fluidity in international politics at certain moments and of course in the case of Somalia it dominated, it was imposed and aided by the CNN effect, where the public opinion followed – in Somalia but also partly in Kosovo and in other interventions at times without being entirely convincing – the hegemonic example, that is the leadership of this special world which we call Western system of values and perceptions referred to by some international relations experts as the global society and contrary to all other systems. The 9/11 terrorist acts created exactly that; a syndrome, a very intense hegemonic syndrome which at that moment reminded us of the Cold War because the leader, the USA, the state imposed itself on the media which followed it and created a public opinion which at least for a while followed as well. Today, we are facing an extremely crucial period in the course of international politics precisely due to this big problem that new technology means and new technologies have obliterated time; there is no time in the transmission of the news and image, in the transmission of facts so that politicians may have the time to think. There is time to handle the crises because the international or national means are not always functioning; we remember what happened in Imia, for example. There is no time for them to think at the same time, i.e. to function at the 35 same time or to be entirely guided and that's why there is a problem to control the developments in relation to the image. When the image is transmitted from Baghdad or when the image is transmitted from the Baghdad prison through new technological means which is to say cell phones and photographing capabilities without any control, when this image is transmitted, the international public opinion is influenced i.e. by the media without there being any political control. The same happened in Guantanamo, where images were transmitted despite the very strict measures taken by the political authorities. Meanwhile, we should not forget that the more the political leadership of a state is weakened, the more the role of the media is enhanced. Lately the US have been experiencing this phase, as in many other countries of the world, where the weakening of politicians, the weakening of the parties in power enhances the media's power which are already enhanced thanks to the new technologies for the reason that the image cannot be controlled and sometimes what we call international media are backed by financial actors who also guide them, etc. This is a scenario that cannot function at any time, i.e. the reporter who is in Tibet will not call first to ask whether to send the picture or not and many times the image is sent the way it is and it is transmitted and creates developments which were not foreseen or could not be foreseen by the politicians in charge of crisis management. Because crisis management means to predict; you cannot deal with any situation if you do not predict several scenarios. Therefore, we have a legalizing or de-legalizing function of the media with regard to the public opinion and that with regard to the global public opinion which refers to exactly how powerful and how legitimate the state or the political leadership is, how this can weaken or reduce the media’s influence which are anyhow swiftly becoming uncontrollable in an unprecedented way in the history of humanity, they are on a course that 36 we don’t know how much and to what extent will change the political scene. Al-Jazeera was created, if you want, to “offset” CNN; it is another dimension or another world compared to CNN. Al-Jazeera accuses CNN of serving nationalistic or state interests of the US and the West in general, it is serving the so-called Western system of values, principles, culture and politics, a kind of international society and Al-Jazeera appears to be serving the interests of the rest of the world, the world of Islam, the pan-Arab world in a kind of ethno-genesis; it functions in an ethno-genetic capacity for those who are on the other side of the mountain, the other side of the hill, i.e. the rest of the world – the world beyond the Western system, which includes Japan, will gradually include Russia when its democratization process is completed, includes the Balkans and gradually parts of the word now belonging to the Western political system. The rest of the world, Islam and the Arab world appear through selections made by Al-Jazeera which presents the facts interpreted in a different way. And this world is precisely the world of conflict between today and tomorrow, i.e. we have a conflict which is thought of by many as an asymmetrical threat, a terrorist threat, which has true dimensions and which embraces or unjustly includes hundreds of millions of people and on the other hand we have the Western world which is unassisted, helpless, unable to deal with this new form of conflict which includes within its own interpretational framework and its own priorities, two global systems - let's say - of information, propaganda and policy-making; because this is what it’s all about. The more this new technology evolves - and it is constantly evolving and the news image is transmitted to the households all over the world and this image is interpreted in two different ways, this separation of the world, this conflict dimension will have no end. And that is our fear for the peace and coexistence of peoples in the next decades or centuries. 37 Thank you very much. Back to agenda 38 “Socio-political crisis as a crucial criterion for the relationship between power and public opinion: a socio-psychological dimension – theoretical approach” Dr Papastamou Stamos, Professor of Experimental Social Psychology, Panteion University Thank you, Mr Chairman. Ladies and Gentlemen, socio-political crises are more and more on the agenda as symptoms or facts of the uni-polar world, i.e. the situation in which the societies of the modern world in which, according to Anthony Giddens, the dipole trust—risk is dominant. And this concept of risk has an immediate semantic connection to what we call crisis and which we can define as a situation of threat to or the real loss of vital dimensions of the existence of a society. These dimensions extend from the level of basic biological maintenance requirements to the values connected to the quality of life in the broader sense. The loss of these dimensions as a result of calculated use of violence such as war and terrorism, a natural disaster or an extreme malfunctioning of an administration system is synonymous with extreme trials or the annulment of the safe predictable living framework and simultaneously with the break-down of the trust relationship between society and the public opinion. The fact that it is important to examine the role of the mass communications and information media in crisis management is due to the vital importance attributed to them by the public opinion, “this new divinity” - as it was named by Gabriel Tarde already at the beginning of the 20th century – which constitutes the central pillar and the primary source of legitimacy of urban democracy. The truth is of course that during the gradual prevalence throughout the 20th century of the massive democratic pattern, the public opinion acquired an ambiguous image and became the object of ambivalent 39 manipulation by the elites. A characteristic example is the fact that during crisis management there is an effort to appease, to tame or even to manipulate public opinion. In any case, crisis management contains phenomena and procedures that in social psychology are studied through their social influence, their collective polarization, the idiomatic relations, the identification procedures and the activation of representations and stereotypes. In the time left, I will indicatively select some socio-psychological, theoretical and experimental approaches which explain the phenomena connected to crisis management and which indirectly but very clearly demonstrate the effect of the media. First of all, concerning the operation mode of the teams which are charged with crisis management, the contemporary cognitive approaches stress the obligation of these teams to manage a series of disparate and controversial information under conditions of time constraints and high levels of stress, aware that one wrong call could cost them their carrier or have disastrous consequences for the interests of the overall society. Experimental research but also field research and qualitative analysis prove that the intensity of the emotional stimulation renders the systematic processing of information more difficult and reduces the connective and non-connective function resulting in the simplification, and simultaneously the inflexibility of the thought. These contemporary approaches confirm and bring back to the surface the classic study by Irving Janis entitled “Victims of Groupthink” in which the author when analyzing cases of wrong crisis management like the attack on Pearl Harbor, the war in Korea, the crisis of the Bay of Pigs, attributes the wrong decisions of the competent committees to their collective nature thus proving that there are really crucial differences 40 between their individual and collective decisions. These differences are due to the following reasons: 1) to the solid belief in the inherent moral of the team, which leads its members not to take into account the moral consequences of their decisions, 2) to the immediate pressure exercised upon each member of the team who might express arguments contrary to the stereotypes, the illusions or the obligations undertaken by the team, 3) to the self-censorship tendencies of those who deviate from the superficial social consensus prevailing within the team and 4) to the illusion entertained by all the members of the team with regard to the majority opinion. This illusion emanates partly from the selfcensorship of those who deviate but it is enhanced even more by the prevailing belief according to which “whoever does not speak up is in agreement”. All of these reasons indicate that the behavior of the collective instruments aims at the protection of the team from the danger of an internal disagreement. Everyone attempts to maintain unanimity by avoiding any conflict which could destroy it. On the other hand though, this systematic avoidance of any rupture or conflict undermines greatly the decision-making. Beyond the internal functionings of the crisis management teams, what is equally - if not more – important is the opinion of the public opinion, i.e. the way the public opinion takes in and experiences a socio-political crisis. The socio-psychological research which is constantly increasing after the 9/11 attacks, examine the ideological and emotional processing of the 41 social subject emphasizing on four axes which I will mention epigrammatically: 1) The emotional reactions in the face of extreme events such as a terrorist attack, according to the theory of terror management, such facts enhance the existential anxiety of the subject because they render his mortality obvious (Mortality Salience). As a result, the subject needs to re-confirm the existence of the validity of a safe framework of social values and meanings which guarantees order and prediction. The display of this need is expressed through an increased dedication to the leader and the power system by being firmer and more aggressive against those who threaten or seem to threaten this safe notional order and with the enhancement at the same time of the positive systems for the members of the sub-team. 2) The second axis is connected to the procedures of forming an identity and processing emotions based on incorporation in the collectivity. Experimental research in that direction has shown that the cultivation of an identity which enhances the common group connection to the victims of an attack, increases the emotion of fear but at the same time enhances the tendency for a real display of solidarity towards the victims as well as the tendency to support retaliation measures against the attacker. 3) The third research axis directly refers to the way terrorist attacks are covered by the media. Researches such as those of Keinan, Sadeh and Rosen from the University of Tel Aviv examined the tendencies and reactions of people with regard to the coverage by the media of terrorist acts soon after a series of violent terrorist attacks in Israel. Their findings show that although a great part of mass information consumers prefer a more detailed coverage of the terrorist acts, when this coverage included appalling details, their willingness to receive this detailed information declined. 42 The results also prove that the exposure to such coverage by the media is connected to symptoms similar to those of post-traumatic stress. Finally, individual differences were found in tendencies and reactions in connection with the gender of the participants, their political orientation and the way of searching for information. Women for example, appeared to be more sensitive to horror scenes, preferred channels less pluralistic and experienced more anxiety symptoms compared to men. Furthermore, right-wing participants tend to watch more television after terrorist attacks and resent the limited range of transmitted information. 4) And finally, a fourth axis of research in which we too are active refers to the ideological organizational principles of percepting crisis situations which arise from violent developments. Recent research and our research show that the selective activation of a specific orientation of ideological beliefs with regard to - for example - the prevention of terrorism concerning the definition, the means of dealing with it, explanations and interpretations of the phenomenon, interacts each time with a certain illumination of particular dimensions of the facts which we project on the subjects. Such research approaches show that issues like: a. The role of the authorities and more specifically its omissions or the side-effects of counter-terrorist efforts and policies. b. Social justice and more specifically its definition and advisable ways of ensuring and restoring it and finally c. The dimensions for the structuring of the political field, such as the “right-left axis” constitute key objectives to be constantly looked into which, placed into an intercultural framework could possibly, beyond any self-evident comparisons, contribute to the better understanding of the way in which the social subjects experience, read, explain and interpret a 43 socio-political crisis like the ones caused by terrorism and generally by exercising political violence. Thank you for your attention. Back to agenda 44 "Socio-political crisis as a crucial criterion for the relationship between power and public opinion: a socio-psychological dimension – lessons learned” Dr Prodromitis Gerasimos, Assistant Professor of Experimental Social Psychology, Panteion University Thank you very much. Continuing what Mr Papastamos has developed, I will present in a few words the problematic and the basic findings of an empirical field research using a sample of students on how the social thinking of the young in Greece received the war in Iraq. The research was conducted from May till June 2003 in the midst – as we all remember – of an intense global public dialogue relating to the issue and very massive anti-war manifestations. Our research had as an objective to examine issues of legality and legalization stakes concerning the international use of violence, as they are taken in and assessed by the social thought, by the social subject. In order to perform a socio-psychological study of the social multidimensional involvement of the public opinion in such an overall – as Emile Durcheim would say – global fact, one must try to approach the determining factors of acceptance and legalization by the public opinion of course, of the use of international armed violence and attempt to disclose the interconnections of these factors with the broader meaningbearing function of social thought which is obliged to manage both on an identity level and a values level an international reality in which either legalized or plausible or even unacceptable and condemnable forms of violence play a crucial role. Therefore, in this direction, our research was structured around three axes. First, we studied the assessment of the interviewed parties Power Point presentation available. Click here. 45 concerning their reception and assessment on the various reasons which dictated the war, on various argumentations on which the war was based. Then, we examined their evaluation concerning two superjacent entities, the USA and the EU, the role of which in the Iraqi war was crucial, but for another reason as well; because they are the two basic entities which constitute the poles of what we call Western civilization. A third research dimension had to do with tendencies and stands and tolerance or acceptance by the interviewed subjects relating to general principles, specific policies and specific practical measures to deal with terrorism. This is the identity of the research…a focused student sample…and let’s see some results from the various topics we studied, which indicate crystallizations, giving meaning and fragmentations, compartmentalizations of the public opinion concerning the way in which they receive – if you wish—they reproduce the way in which an international crisis, such as the war in Iraq, was presented by the media. Let’s look at their evaluations on the justification of the war. With the proper statistical analysis, we saw that almost 57% of the sample showed great distrust towards the dominant reason, that the war wasn’t conducted to liberate the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein nor to eliminate weapons of mass destruction etc. Only a small percentage, 14,5%, seems to accept this prevailing rhetoric and almost 28% (27,8%) seems to accept what we called disaster rhetoric i.e. believes that the war was conducted in Iraq for the destruction of weapons of mass destruction. Now, let’s take a look at the evaluation of how the public opinion views these two entities – the US and the EU and primarily how it evaluates the international say of the US. A very important percentage, 81%, clearly expresses an anti-American stance. For example, they do not accept the argument that the USA is the only Superpower and therefore has the right to militarily intervene wherever it judges necessary. Only 19% of this 46 sample accepts, de facto, the global role and the self-protection right of the US. As for the role of the EU and its evaluation, we initially began our evaluation with the positions of certain countries which gathered media attention. For example, we can see that the position of France and Germany, who were against an armed involvement, was received in a positive way, while the English and Spanish positions were judged negatively and concerning the role of Greece the evaluation was neutral, which means there were both positive and negative observations. Now, let’s see various dimensions on how they evaluated, what stereotype they built of the overall European stance. With the proper statistical analysis we found four dimensions concerning the evaluation of the European stance, the stance of the EU. There was a stance of compliance and is thought of as weak-spirited, hypocritical, compliant and selfish; a stance of stability which is considered clean, honest and united; a stance of caution; and a fourth dimension which concerns non coherence and instability, a stance which is described as divided and inconsistent. Based on these facts we also search for the basic thought groups within the public opinion and we find that 25,3 % for example expresses a stance that we conventionally referred to as European self-preservation, where people evaluate the position of Germany and France in a positive way, but also Greece's stance which then held the presidency of the EU and should have been more careful and at the same time judges the overall European stance as stable and cautious. 38% of the population expresses an anti-American Euro-skepticism according to which the stance of France and Germany are judged in a positive way but not that of Greece and more emphasis is given to the overall European stance describing it as compliant and instable. 47 A third group expresses general disapproval concerning the EU stance and a fourth group, 16,7%, expresses what we conventionally called a national self-preservation stance, less mediocre or in part inconsistent or counter-balancing where the subjects agree with the French and German stance as well as the Greek stance and at the same time they consider Europe as coherent, stable and cautious. Let’s now move on to some observations concerning counter-terrorism measures and general principles. Initially we located two basic principles which must govern international counter-terrorism. One axis concerns the opposition to religious fundamentalism and the second one is the opposite of the first one concerning the repression of national and religious minorities emphasizing on the constraint and the weakening of the minorities and the well-known clash of civilizations. With regard to specific policies that Europe could undertake against terrorism, we observe an agreement on a common European foreign affairs policy, disagreement concerning the economic and military blockade on countries suspected of terrorism and mild disagreement concerning the establishment of a European army. And now, let’s move on to specific compartmentalizations, the location of specific thought groups within the overall public opinion based on the fact that we just saw. One group, 21%, seems to put emphasis on the clash of civilizations and mostly on the repression and the constraints of the minorities. 28,5% expresses what we called – I repeat again that names are conventional – offensive Euro-centrism, a logic where public opinion is in favor of a common European foreign affairs policy, in favor of a blockade against countries suspected of terrorism, in favor of a European army and at the same time opposes itself to religious fundamentalism. We have one last grouping of the sample based on the ratings concerning the tolerance and the acceptance of certain specific counterterrorist measures. In our researches since 2003 we find that the 48 majority of the public opinion is in favor of controlling the foreigners and the immigration measures, in favor of simplifying the extradition of suspects for terrorist acts, the abolition of the political asylum and of course the implementation of an increased control at the entry points of a country. 23,39% are against a generalized policing rejecting all measures and 15,73% believe the opposite. This is a group in favor of adopting extremely harsh measures in order to combat terrorism. Now, let's attempt to put all of the pieces of the puzzle together those arising from the compartmentalization of the public opinion concerning their evaluations on specific issues with the proper statistical analysis. Three thought groups can be formed. On the left of the diagram we see that two groups of thought are formed on a common axis, an antiAmerican stance where one group of subjects is in favor of the European self-preservation on counterterrorism, is in favor of border control, in favor of an offensive Euro-centrism and a tougher stance concerning counterterrorism and this group more readily accepts the “catastrophological rhetoric of war”, i.e. the thought that the war took place to destroy weapons of mass destruction. We could describe this way of thinking as a Europe-fortress. At the bottom, we can see a rejecting stance, a little more criticizing which has to do with the anti-American Euro-skepticism; this group is in favor of an intercultural dialogue as a means of dealing with terrorism, it expresses extreme distrust towards the dominant rhetoric of declaring war and it is the group which opposes itself to extreme policing as a counterterrorist measure. On the right of the diagram, we have the ideologically opposite group of thought, the national self-preservation group of thought concerning the stance of Europe and Greece towards the war, acceptance of the dominant rhetoric officially projected concerning the war, in favor of generalized policing, in favor of the de facto acceptance of the US international role and it is less a group of thought connected to the overall 49 rejection of the European stance and in favor of the extreme skepticism of the clash of civilizations. Last result: we can see that these groups of thought have a political identity. The Europe-fortress way of thinking is the most popular for those who find themselves in the center of the political system, while the more criticizing stance belongs to the broader left. The more compliant stance to the de facto structured international environment is more proper to the rightist section of the public opinion. I will not tire you any longer. Concluding, I would just like to note that findings such as these indicate that the popular public opinion which manages crises or must evaluate crises, being inconsistent and quite pluralistic, may be formed by the media, but it also has its own sensitivities and susceptibilities and can definitely not be approached superficially, simplistically and in an overall manner. Thank you very much. Back to agenda 50 “Electronic Media in Crisis Management" Mr Panagopoulos Christos, Chairman of the Board – Managing Director of ERT Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen, I would not like to begin with conceptual definitions. I believe that all of you participating here today in one capacity or another know very well what crisis management is. What I am called to cover today in my double capacity as a journalist and as chairman of the public radio-television is the role of the media in crisis management. I think we all agree that the audiovisual means are for better or for worse, the dominant vehicle of politics, social and cultural communication nowadays. However, the rate of information and its intensely competitive nature – I am mostly referring to electronic means – lead time and again to uncontrollable dimensions. The selection and evaluation and projection of facts constitute the basic core of operation of a communication means, of the media in general. However, especially in crisis periods, like wars, natural disasters, terrorist acts or kidnappings, the question of which would be the right step for the electronic media is controversial. Since the terrorist acts of 9/11 2001 but even before that, TV has been the main media for the transmission of bad news and the indication "Breaking news" or "special news bulletin" as we refer to it here in Greece – constitutes a pre-signal of a potential crisis, small or big. During the past seven years, reporters working for the electronic media had to manage various kinds of crises whether these concerned terrorism – Madrid, London, Iraqi War, Israel, Lebanon - or a natural disaster - a tsunami, hurricane Katrina – and transform these dramatic, hard and uncontrollable facts and phenomena into a TV reality which could be understood by the average viewer. 51 However, this TV coverage of crises does not resolve problems and dilemmas such as: Where are the limits when transmitting terrorist attacks? How can we treat in a fair way all the parties implicated in a crisis? Should we? Can a war be transmitted live according to CNN standards? Which sources can reporters trust in the internet and blog era? And finally, how should television respond to the responsible role it is supposed to play in general but even more during a crisis? In our recent history, in our country but also internationally, we all experienced many moments and periods of crisis; The most crucial at least on a national scale here in Greece was the Imia crisis, something that started out as a funny story and almost ended in war with our neighbor, Turkey, and also last year's national crisis brought about by the disaster caused by the fires. On an international scale of course there were naturally more armed conflicts, natural disasters, large industrial accidents, epidemics, terrorist acts – the most important of which was that of the Twin Towers in New York – and many others. In all these disaster cases, in the broader meaning of the word, or the crises, the great power of the electronic media on the one hand and the irresponsible and sometimes dangerous actions of some of them on the other, were revealed in the most ostentatious and dramatic way. For example, in the Imia case, it was clear that the political leadership of that time in Greece was set on avoiding a war conflict with our neighbors. But it is also clear that contrary to the wish of the political leadership, everyone who lived in Greece at the time, remembers - I am mentioning this for the visitors – that in the overall society a climate of escalation and preparation for war operations 52 was cultivated, to which the media from both countries and from both sides contributed. Another case: the riots in France. When, a few years ago, the riots by some young people living in the suburbs of Paris began, a big debate started concerning the need or not to censor the electronic media on the grounds that a long coverage of such developments could in part create – as in fact it did – imitators. It was presumed that the demonstrators gathered through the TV image confirmation for their actions, which led some TV channels in France at first not to mention the number of burned cars. Gradually and as the phenomenon was growing, the TV media stopped mentioning the areas in which the violent episodes took place. Generally, it has been proven that a long coverage of such extreme facts can increase the tension and act as a multiplier. The same could happen with terrorist facts. Other cases: Sorin Matei, in Greece. He is – for those of you who are not Greek – a criminal who at some point took a girl as a hostage and held her for hours and asked for various things to let her go. All this ended in a tragedy. So, we have kidnapping cases: What happens it the cases where there is live TV transmission with the crime scene? Many believe – and we have experienced this – that the long and live transmission leads to the heroification of the criminal, the reduction of the negotiating frame for the police or the authorities and secondly, in the middle term, to imitation. The tragic end of the Sorin Matei case led us in Greece, for some time at least, to discuss the limits of the electronic media, its transmissions and where this leads in crisis situations. Unfortunately, this discussion ended without any measures being taken. Fortunately, we had the opposite results in a recent case concerning the kidnapping of a businessman from the North of Greece where the media showed self-restraint and with unprecedented discretion for Greece, they managed the case well which had as a result a fortunate ending and the man returned to his family. 53 Of course there is the other side of the same coin. For example the tsunami which caused great destruction in Southeastern Asia and constitutes a particular case with regard to TV covering in 2004. The emotionally charged coverage of this grand disaster that showed in big and loud images all this destruction and misery, brought us as Greeks and I imagine the whole of Europe… because this is what I remember happening at that time with the people being tested and this created an unprecedented tendency to help these people. In Greece alone – I will mention numbers from the telemarathon that we, the public state channel had – 20 million euros were collected from donations, a fact unprecedented in such an action, i.e. a telemarathon. This is one another side of crisis management when it is handled correctly. Taking into account the competition, the speed of the media and the growing influence of the internet, we realize, based on these examples which I presented as well – and I am not only talking about Greece but also internationally, that the electronic media, which operate in the same way in Greece and elsewhere, are very difficult to control by an administration so that they may bring about the best possible results every time. Eric Hobsbawm in his book “Globalization, Democracy and Terrorism” referring specifically to the matter of terrorism and the crises that emanate from terrorist acts says amongst others: “In reality the greatest danger from terrorism is not due to the immediate threat by some few anonymous fanatics but to the irrational fear created by their acts and which today encourage the media". But if we move on a little, since I don’t agree with the logic of looking for a scapegoat, we ought to admit that there are some media where the logic of transmitting news in a responsible, substantial, sober and reliable way, prevails. Such media, it is certain, could contribute and help in periods and developments which necessitate crisis management. And for better 54 or for worse such an approach could exist and fortunately it does exist in our country in the public media. I believe that generally in Europe and the world there are some private media which also treat crisis situation in a similar way. A key finding from a research conducted by MRB HELLAS on behalf of the Association of Greek Industries on the issue of the media in Greece was that, concerning the evaluation of the media and the way they handle the developments, private television got the lower satisfaction rate with a negative 66%, which means that the public is not satisfied with the way they handle crises, but also with their information in general compared to the public television which got 65%, the highest rate of satisfaction. To conclude, in the conscience of the citizens, private television at least in Greece, appears to be responsible mainly concerning the creation of a singular arena which is consumed on a daily basis by the consumer. It is however absolutely obvious what they do in this arena and it is condemned by its customers while they are consuming it. From other researches in the past and from other market research companies, we come to the conclusion that while television holds the first place in the preference of the majority of the viewers for their information as well as their entertainment, the percentage of those who state they are dissatisfied by the quality of the information is increasing geometrically. As Ignacio Ramone says, “Distrust is so powerful that more and more people distance themselves from the media. In France, 48% of the citizens do not believe any more that things happened the way they were shown on TV. This caution on behalf of the citizens could be a phenomenon of health for the democracy of the printed media, could at least remove their comments and correct today's tendency toward enthusiasm and spectacle which is the main characteristic of television. However, the competition, the race for higher ratings and greater 55 newspaper sales, condemn journalism to the same mistakes and lead all to the abyss. Therefore, we cannot only blame the audiovisual media for everything that happens; Their power and their damage would be much less if reporters, not only those working for the electronic media, but all of them as well as the intellectuals, would not be so eager to lend the electronic media their prestige, bow to their logic and beg for their good graces as Galimi says somewhere. This is a concept we agree on. What is needed today and obviously society is pushing in that direction, is that the terms should be reformulated, the tactics changed. We should self-regulate in order to be able to meet as an electronic media our main objective which is to provide valid, reliable, objective, colorful and polyphonic information. It isn’t an accident that one of the greatest state owned radio-TV stations in the world, BBC, has instituted some basic TV coverage principles in war cases, terrorism, kidnappings, national security and other similar events. As an example, I would like to mention what has been regulated by the BBC, which I think cannot function in an undemocratic country or where civilization and democracy have not been taught. So, in a case of war, terrorism and emergency situations, it must be mentioned whether the story has been censored or controlled. A lot of importance is given to the tone of the story, the voice, the sound, the drama which for them is as important as the information provided in the story. In case of a kidnapping or hijacking, we do not get, according to the BBC, an interview from the perpetrator live on air – which is what I was saying in the case of Sorin Matei. We also do not transmit live any videos or voice messages provided by the perpetrator. We transmit with some time delay images concerning sensitive issues, for example hostage situations in schools or hijackings. This is extremely important in emergency situations with an unpredictable outcome. 56 In case of manifestations and riots, before the transmission, we should evaluate the possible risk of encouraging more such events through it – as I mentioned in France – we cut the transmission if we suspect that we are setting off situations through this coverage, i.e. live transmission of manifestations or riots, or we transmit the event with some delay or we process the really violent scenes, filter the image and the speech and then present it in its correct dimensions. If we try to put these into effect in the UK or Greece, there will be a small revolution of our leftist conscience. Therefore, the role of the media may be substantial and effective in times and concerning facts where crisis management is required and comply with the basic principles which must govern journalism. We, at ERT, are proud because we are trying, most of the times I believe successfully, to work in a real professional manner, to transmit the developments soberly and not dehydrated, to dip into the essence of the news offering the necessary breathing time to the viewer, a time much needed to think, judge, decide, decrystalize his opinion. The constant, rapid provision of new information completely disorientates the viewer; he needs a few minutes to think and understand what is happening. Quite recently, at the end of May, we gave a press conference during which we presented research findings to see the news bulletins at least in Greece and from another angle, not just the AGB numbers i.e. how many viewers consume the product called news at some time. We used an indicator which is very important on a global scale and is that of social stir. This indicator, as we had mentioned during the press conference, acquires a lot of importance especially for news bulletins, because it also exists for all other TV programs. Here, ERT is thought of as entirely reliable in comparison to other private channels which have high ratings. However, according to AGB news 57 bulletins do not have any social acceptance. All the developments we experience TV-wise are reversed. I will insist on these indicators. It is not only important to operate in a decent way but also that this behavior or any other behavior according to the rules is rewarded by the audience. Therefore, ahead of us is an important bet; we have to transcend from the window democracy – as we call it in Greece, because in the private channels news bulletins we have a special feature: the opinions and thoughts of specialists dominate every day for a long time instead of the news being presented in a fertile and substantial journalistic way - to another generalized approach of the news so that the role of the media in our everyday life and mostly concerning developments and crisis periods, be catalytic and to the benefit of our people and our country. Thank you. Back to agenda 58 “Foreign Policy and Media in Crisis Management” Mr Koumoutsakos Georgios, 1st Coucellor, Spokesman of the Hellenic Ministry of Foreign Affairs Thank you, Mr Chairman. Ladies and Gentlemen, addressing an audience of accomplished professionals on such a broad and complex subject is quite a challenge. But this challenge becomes a crisis when there are only a few minutes on the clock. So let me start by asking the first important question: what is the fundamental element that characterizes a crisis situation in a state’s international relations? Question number two: how do the media conduct themselves during such a crisis? Question number three: what are the basic elements of communications management during such a crisis? In general a crisis is an event that occurs suddenly, often unexpectedly and often demands a quick response. A crisis interferes with normal routines and creates uncertainty and stress. In international relations, a crisis is a brief period of time when one or more parties perceive an imminent threat to its or their vital interests. A threat they have to react to immediately. International relations crises are quite sudden transformations of relations between states that if they escalate can sharply increase the likelihood of conflict and war. Comparing these two definitions of a crisis we see that in final analysis the fundamental characteristics of every crisis are pretty much the same. 59 At the end of the day every crisis implies a moment of crucial decision in the context of an imminent and serious danger. But there is at least one fundamental element that characterizes the crises that states have to deal with in their international relations. A fundamental element that differentiates crises in international relations from other types of crises. And this is the fact that what is always at stake in these crises is national interest. From the Swiss crisis to the Cuban missiles crisis, from the Cyprus crisis and the Turkish invasion in 1974 to the Imia crisis in 1996, national interest were at stake. So, given that a crisis in international relations is one where a country’s national interests are at stake, what is the perspective and the conduct of the news media, local and foreign alike? Can those managing a crisis in the government expect cooperation, understanding or even self-restrain from the news media, especially when national interests are at stake? Or do they have to develop their crisis management strategy on the assumption that the news media will simply do their job according to their own rules, their own priorities, their own needs? This dilemma might have been worth considering some decades ago when governments were still able to control the flow of information; when foreign policy was dealt with by the news media with some willingness to collaborate with governments rather than as just one more area for journalistic investigation and criticism. In fact it is often argued that the Vietnam war was lost first and foremost in radio and television studios, in the print shops of the major newspapers of the US. In the USA as well as in most countries throughout the world this perception led government officials to become highly suspicious of, if not outright hostile to the news media. Thus, relations between government and the media took on the nature of a zero sum game, 60 where the government tries to keep secrets and the media wins by revealing them. In an environment of such intense competition and mutual distrust, when official sources don’t disclose information, the media seek it elsewhere. And believe me in this area supply greatly exceeds demand. So the potential for misinterpretations or misunderstandings or even outright distortion of the truth increases dramatically making the crisis even more complicated, even more difficult to manage. It is precisely for this reason that the defensive attitudes or the defensive rationale of hating or fearing the press is counter-productive. It is a dead-end leading to results which are opposite of those being pursued. Many have proposed another attitude to relations with the media during the management of a crisis. This attitude can be summed up as “stop hating, start using”. Personally, I think that this attitude as well should be avoided. There is a very simple reason for this and this is that when the media suspect that the governments are trying to use them or even worse to manipulate them even in the name of national interest, the media react. So, in very short time we can arrive at the same result, that is intense competition and distrust between government and media. At a time when the media are so powerful, when any and every citizen can log on and block away, when the flow or better the floods of information is nothing short of overwhelming and instantaneous, it is humorous to believe that one can manipulate the news without getting dragged under by it. What I believe is that the best way to approach communications in the management of an international relations crisis is cooperation between the government and the media. But on the understanding that the media has to do what it has to do and so does the government. A working relationship along these lines creates the necessary degree of both 61 credibility and trust. In a crisis the best course of action is to be forthcoming and honest and trying to help and facilitate media coverage. Based on this general rule of thumb we can arrive at certain basic rules that should govern every crisis communications strategy. Before the crisis, maintain trustworthy, credible relationships with the media all of the time. If you do, the media will be less suspicious and more cooperative in the midst of the crisis. When a crisis hits immediately get the word to the press, otherwise the media will get their information through other means. Set up a 24 hour crisis and media center at a central place from which news is released, rumors are dealt with, facts are gathered and briefings are held. Immediately go public with a trained spokesperson at the scene to conduct press briefings. Let the media and therefore the public know what you are dealing with and that you are dealing with the situation. Say what you know and only what you know; don’t speculate; don’t be bullied into saying anything based on rumor. If you don’t know something admit it; saying the matter is under investigation may be the best response. Get the government or agency leader and other top management to the crisis center. Having top management in front of the press during a crisis lends credibility and shows that the organization is not treating the situation lightly. Maintain a calm, gracious and helpful presence. Avoid appearing flustered or overwhelmed. Always return phone-calls. If you don’t, reporters will look elsewhere for information. They will write a story with or without your help. Being non-responsive takes the control of a story away from you. 62 Monitor media reports and correct errors immediately. After a crisis, when a crisis ends, evaluate the effectiveness of the crisis plan and correct problems so that they don’t happen again. I think this last part of these basic rules and particularly the very last one, that after a crisis one should go into a deep and thorough lessons learned process is of crucial importance for a successful crisis management in difficult international crisis situations. Thank you very much for your attention. Back to agenda 63 64 “Russia and Energy Security in Europe” Mr Savva Michael Ivanovitch, Minister- Counsellor, Russian Embassy in Greece Good morning, Ladies and Gentlemen, it’s my pleasure to join you in this brainstorming. Russia is a major player on energy markets and I’m going to provide you with an insight on Russian priorities in energy security. Instead of an introduction, I prepared you a slide the full name of which reads “The magic procedure of preparing an egg for breakfast”. The title is the original one and the quality is really impressive. You can see the egg in this part of the screen. It’s in a transparent bowl that we usually use in the microwave stove. However, the focus of our deliberation is not the egg itself but the energy source which warms up all this construction and reminds us how much the energy affects our day to day business and how important it is for us to succeed in our day to day life. It is mostly for this reason that energy security has become relevant for the policy makers and as a consequence for the military. Energy security is a top issue in the agenda of our governments and it’s being extensively referred to in various publications and reports. It’s important therefore to have an adequate understanding of what this wording finally means. That is exactly our point here. Energy security: Was ist das? What is that finally? And if you hadn’t enough time to investigate the matter you might feel quite comfortable because you have lost nothing once the governments haven’t succeeded to agree on a generally recognized definition on energy security so far. However, you know very well, that life goes beyond any definition. And in the absence of a common agreement each government is being guided by its own priorities on the specific subjects. The major energy Power Point presentation available. Click here. 65 consuming countries regard energy security primarily as the security of supply. They insist that countries which are rich in natural resources shall provide to global oil companies unconditional and unlimited access to oil and gas fields and pipelines. Nothing in return is being offered to call the things by their names. On the other side, the countries rich in natural resources put the emphasis on the security of demand. They understand by this notion the availability on distribution market of such conditions and prices which shall make possible for them to return their investments. And not simply to return their investments but to have it with such profit margins which will allow energy companies and the industry as a whole to remain competitive against other sectors of economy both at a national and global level. The problem has been discussed intensively during the Russian Chairmanship within the framework of the G8. As a result of these negotiations a comprehensive document on global energy security has been adopted at the G8 summit in St Petersburg. The document stipulates that the security of supply shall go hand in hand with the security of demand. Those are integral parts of one process complementing each other. The document specifically emphasizes that the global nature of these challenges and the growing interdependence between producing, consuming and transiting countries require strengthened partnerships between all the stakeholders to enhance the global energy security. And this theoretical concept has proven its value in practice. In all the cases when the consuming, the transiting and the producing countries have managed to merge their interests the result was totally positive. In this region, a number of projects including Blue Stream, Gas interconnector Greece-Turkey, Caspian Pipeline Consortium, oil pipeline Baku-TbilisiCeyhan and oil pipeline Odessa-Brody become successful projects 66 exactly for this reason that the evolved parties, the interested countries have managed to find a common denominator of their own national interests. And new projects are on the agenda of the region of the SouthEastern Europe and we believe that if countries follow the same recipe they are bound to succeed in implementing those projects. And first of all, the most important one is the construction of the oil pipeline BurgasAlexandroupolis, the building up of the oil pipeline Costanza-Trieste and the construction of the gas interconnector between Greece and Italy as well as the construction of a major gas pipeline meant to connect Europe with the Caspian region under the name Nabucco and Russia is promoting another major gas pipeline called South Stream. We could investigate further the role of Russia in securing a reliable supply of energy, of gas and oil for the European market and especially the role that Russia plays in the production of hydrocarbons in the Caspian region. You can see here on the screen a map of the Russian oil transportation system. It includes more than 100.000 km of high pressure pipelines. The advantage of this network is that once this water is loaded into the system then it can be delivered directly to the refineries in Central Europe or at any export terminal on the coast of the Baltic Sea, the Barren Sea and the Black Sea. Over the last period, the Russian government has undertaken a number of steps to facilitate the investments into the energy sector. These measures resulted in a substantial growth of levels of production as well as exports of gas and oil. We have considerably enlarged the export transportation capacity both of gas pipelines and oil port terminals. And we could get now closer to our region. You can see here on the screen the major routes of transportation of oil from the Caspian to the Black Sea. And on the Black Sea shore, the most important port for oil 67 transportation is the port of Novorossiysk. It has the capacity of shipping 49 million tons of oil per year. A second oil terminal has been built recently by the Caspian Pipeline Consortium next to Novorossiysk with a capacity of 31 million tons. And the terminal in Tuapse provides us the possibility to load oil products and oil by average with a capacity of 5 million tons per year. Now the total capacity off Georgian ports Supsa and Batumi is respectively 7 and 6 million tons. Exactly the same capacity of 30 million tons is available at Ukrainian oil terminals of Odessa and Yusni. That makes the total volume of oil transported from the Black Sea ports to 111 million tons per year. From this number 11 million tons are supplied directly at the refineries at Burgas and Costanza, while the rest 100 million tons are transported mostly to the European market through the Black Sea Straights Bosporus and Dardanelles. In this context we attach priority attention to the construction of the Burgas-Alexandroupoli oil pipeline. The project will contribute to the enhancement of Europe’s energy security and to the reduction of ecological risks related to the increasing load on traditional routes of transportation of hydrocarbons in the region. Greece, Bulgaria and Russia have committed themselves to accelerate the procedures related to the implementation of this project and we welcome the determination of all stakeholders involved to deliver on this commitment. Thanks to this positive approach the key aspects of the project become day by day more tangible which is an encouraging and promising message. Usually whenever we refer to the Caspian hydrocarbons we basically mean oil production of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. Oil exports of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are negligible by their volumes, while Iran is associated mostly with the Persian Gulf. We can see on the slide that 68 during the last 7 years both Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan made an impressive progress by increasing twofold their oil production. However, in order to assess the overall impact of Caspian oil on global energy security it’s advisable that we find a more objective point of reference. And for this purpose we could compare in the beginning the oil production of Caspian states with Russia. We see that in such a case the proportions look a little bit different. And this slide is to help us understand not how big Russia is; but to provide us one more an advice that there is no objective basis for a competition between the countries and the regions in the oil field. The oil volumes which come from the Caspian region are just supplementary to the oil produced by leading countries in this field. No Caspian oil can afford a comparison with the Middle East region, particularly with the oil production in Saudi Arabia. You can see that the levels of production in the Caspian region and the levels of production of Saudi Arabia are totally different, while Russia is catching up well with the levels of production of Saudi Arabia. We presume that the absolute figures may change in the future but the proportions will probably remain almost the same. We’ll switch now to the gas production which has become the fuel of choice of modern economies and first of all in Europe and the USA. The successful development of gas fields in Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan acquire in this context a special importance. We can see that in 2007 Azerbaijan produced more than 11 billion m3 of gas. Kazakhstan managed to increase its production up to 29 billion m 3. And the level of production remains stable for the last three years. But if we follow the previous tactics and place the relevant figures next to the indexes of gas production in Russia we’ll get substantially the same 69 results. Turkmenistan is also included in the slide to have an integrated picture of the region. It’s frequently mentioned as the gas superpower of the Caspian region, but probably, given this comparison, the assessment may need some better tuning. As you see on the screen, the differences of gas production between Turkmenistan and Russia is exactly tenfold. But those are the data for 2005. So, let’s see even the years that followed this situation has changed and we can see that in 2006 the proportions remained the same despite the fact that both Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan have slightly increased their national production and even in 2007 things didn’t change substantially. And we see that even in this case, in 2007, the gas output of Azerbaijan correlates to the gas production of Russia as 1:100 almost. In other words the Caspian gas does not have the potential to replace the huge volumes of Russian gas on the European market. To make the things even clearer, I will tell you an open secret: the only real alternative to the Russian gas in the region is the Iranian gas. The last year Iran produced more than 90 billion m3 of gas which is as much as the production of Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan together. Despite that, it seems that geopolitical implications will further prevent the European investors from getting access to Iranian resources at least in the foreseeable future. The next slide comes to prove once again this opinion. According to this chart, at present three countries and specifically Russia, Iran and Qatar hold more than 50% of proven gas resources in the world. I would also like to refer in this aspect to the principle of diversification of supplies. It’s an important theoretical principle still its value has been proven in practice many times and it has become a must for the strategic planning. 70 Still the implementation of this principle in practice has some limits. Those limits refer not only to the geopolitical constraints but also to the simple geographical and geological factors. And we can see here, on this slide, that the options of diversifying gas supply for Europe and other regions of the world are very limited and in the case that we exclude theoretically Iran from this list we can see that the option will be even less than anticipated. And another factor that also affects the possibility to diversify the gas supply is the geographical factor. We can see here that in the structure of gas imports to the USA, Canada plays a significant role. Of course we have to acknowledge and point out the simple fact that the USA has its own national production of gas and does not depend in its gas supply from imports because all the volume of gas imported to the USA covers not more than 15% of the total consumption. Still this slide tells us that the efforts invested by the government of the country in order to diversify the gas supply have produced so far very modest results. We can see here a picture related to the structure of gas imports to Greece. Russia plays a major role in supplying Greece with gas, but over the period of the last 15 years, Greece has made significant progress in diversifying its supply in gas terms. And we can see here that a big part of gas relates to gas imports from Algeria as well as from Turkey and the efforts of diversification of gas to Greece have very good perspectives. Now on the screen we can see a picture related to the gas pipeline system of Russia. As you see all these pipelines have as a final destination the European countries. Russia is not a member of the European Union, but you can understand from this map how much the integration of energy infrastructure between Russia and the European Union has advanced. This procuration proved to be a win-win solution. It helped the European Union to reduce its dependency on the Middle East oil, to enhance the competitiveness of its economy and to keep Europe 71 green, thus providing a new quality of life for its residents. In its turn the Russian side has always honored its supply contracts. It has an impressive proven record as a reliable supplier on the European market. The latest project meant to enhance the energy security of the European Union is the project proposed by the Russian side under the name South Stream. It stipulates the possibility to enlarge the transportation capacity from the Russian territory through the Black Sea region to Bulgaria and further on through the territory of Greece to Italy. A second branch of this pipeline is meant to connect Russia through the Bulgarian territory as well, Serbia and Hungary and Austria to the European Union. It’s high time now that we make some basic conclusions. The first one is that Russia advocates a cooperative approach towards the issues of global energy security. We intend to actively participate in the elaboration of common rules in the energy sectors and to abide by rules developed on equitable terms. And we have seen previously from the slides provided that Caspian hydrocarbons can’t replace the high volumes of Russian gas and oil on the world market, but they have a genuine complementary and supportive effect much required and welcome by the markets. Russia will remain a major factor in the transportation of Caspian oil and gas to the world market, while the construction of the South Stream pipeline system will promote multiple transportation routes and enhance the flexibility and reliability of gas supply to Europe. And the last conclusion is that at this stage, Russia is in a position to offer to its partners in Europe, and especially in this region, integrated, feasible, low risk and mutually beneficiary solutions in oil and gas supply. It’s very important that Russia has enough financial resources to support the relevant project. 72 As a part of conclusions, I would like to refer to the system of priorities of the states of this region in promoting cooperation in the sphere of energy. Priority number 1 for the companies involved in the cooperation and transportation and supply of energy is the implementation of projects that generate the highest profit, the highest netback. It’s important for the effectiveness of such projects to take advantage of the geographical location of countries. For example, Greece has not the possibility to import natural gas from Norway for example. But its proximity to Russian territory provides it with an advantage in terms of getting on a short notice significant volumes of gas. And it’s very important that the states of the region have a stable framework for the implementation of large-scale projects. The attempts to ensure the energy security by military means and specifically at the very beginning of this millennium have produced so far mixed results. The victory and the surrender turned out to be temporary, if not illusionary. In terms of preparing the ground for business activities not so much progress has been done. In our opinion, cooperation provides a more lasting and a more effective solution for the promotion of such projects. And it’s important that in all the proposals for the implementation of large-scale projects in terms of energy supply, Russia is offering to its partners an equal basis cooperation. And specifically for the implementation of the South Stream, Russia has proposed to the Greek side to establish a joint company in which 50% of shares will belong to the Russian government and 50% will belong to the Greek side. We are committed to the principle of cooperation. We believe that cooperation is the most productive and most fruitful form of relation between the states and we have assumed and we promote the end of cooperating frankly and effectively specifically with the Greek side. Thank you. Back to agenda 73 “Russia’s re-engagement in the Balkans: Genuine or tactical?” Dr Filis Konstantinos, Head of Center for Russia and Eurasia (Institute for International Relations), Senior Associate Member (SAM) St Antony’s College, Oxford University Thank you. I will try to put Russian foreign policy within a Balkan context. So over the past four years, Russia has significantly stepped up its involvement in the Southeast Europe, mainly through a number of energy and some economic deals that brought Moscow into direct cooperation, particularly with Bulgaria, Greece and lately Serbia without excluding other regional states. Meanwhile however, the general gravitation of the countries in the Balkans towards Euro-Atlantic institutions has pushed Kremlin to establish its presence in the Balkans before Western influence becomes even more consolidated, marginalizing Russia’s role in regional development and by extension security issues. I would like to look back to the 1990s just to put Russia’s presence in the Balkans into a slightly broader context. Very briefly, conditions at that time were not very favorable for active Russian involvement in the region. This is because: Number one, Moscow spent the greater part of the 1990s trying to remedy the psychological hangover it had as a result of the break-up of the Soviet Union while its attention was focused on growing domestic problems. Add to this the problems with implementing reforms and a collapsing economy. Moscow also lacked a cohesive foreign policy – back at that time-, with the conflicting currents of seeking cooperation with the West, while failing sometimes to act constructively within the international system. Russia 74 was seen as an unreliable – if not disreputable - partner with nothing all that alluring to offer prospective allies. Meanwhile, the Balkans were in a state of transition, followed by a fluid situation wherein each of the countries in the region sought strong, effective allies to help them adapt to the new state of affairs. Apart from Serbia, none of the other countries, many of which were suspicious of Russia for reasons both psychological and very real, saw any particular reason to deepen their relations with Moscow. The result of all this was that Russia, back in the 1990s, with few exceptions had a negligible economic presence in the Balkans. Where did we stand in 2004? Here is a snapshot of how things stood in 2004. It was clear to all observers – particularly following 9/11 – that for a number of reasons the Balkans had been relegated to a back burner in Russian foreign policy. The prevailing take on the situation – quite justifiably, given the state of affairs in Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan, and the potential for ‘velvet’ revolutions in other former Soviet republics – was that an alarmed Moscow was shifting the focus of Russian foreign policy to the CIS, a region of vital interest to Russia – in other words the post-Soviet space. Moreover, the prospects that had been created for a substantial rapprochement with the West had repercussions for the Kremlin’s Balkan policy. Thus, Russia’s strategy became perceptibly more balanced: the Kremlin acknowledged NATO’s say and role in the region and limited its efforts to increasing its influence only in the energy sector. 75 Unquestionably, the West, unlike Russia, had made extensive commitments in the region, commitments that Russia could not realistically match. Therefore, the Kremlin recognized that the energy sector was the only one in which it enjoyed a comparative advantage over the West, and thus moved ahead on energy agreements with Croatia, Slovenia, Greece, Bulgaria and the buyouts of Bulgarian and Romanian energy companies. Back in late 2004, although Moscow had signed a number of trade agreements, it failed to get involved economically before the states in the region developed European perspectives, which implies that Brussels is in a position to determine the rules of the trade and economy game, at least to the extent that it will have to be reckoned with at the negotiating table. The years between 2005 and 2007 proved decisive for Moscow’s reengagement in the Balkans. So what was it that brought about Russia’s significant involvement in the Balkans? A confluence of a number of factors, including: Favorable circumstances arising from developments in the Kosovo issue The potential for new southern transit routes for carrying Caspian hydrocarbons to Western markets. Limited ‘political time’ for Russia due to increasing U.S. and EU influence in the region All these had the combined effect of bringing Russia out of its shell. With Kosovo proclaiming its independence this past February, today’s theme cannot be more topical. To be frank, Russia made optimum use on the global political stage of an accomplished fact, a foregone 76 conclusion that, nevertheless, lingered on for years, unresolved, perpetuating uncertainty in the Balkans. The West lacked timing on this issue. Kosovo’s independence arrived when the political momentum for a smooth transition and anything close to universal, international recognition had longed fizzled out. Add to this West two-dimensional policy. In the midst of the negotiations, it was made clear that independence was inevitable. This raised the bar of Albanian-Kosovar expectations and Serbia was offered nothing in exchange for losing almost 20% of its territory and maintaining its prowestern orientation in recent years, which put Russia into the game. In the Kosovo issue, Russia found an opportunity to appear as a bona fide world power. A power that respects international law and institutions does not attempt to impose solutions on states or peoples, does not reject the path of negotiations or want the Security Council to evolve into a tool for exerting influence and finally a state that continues to see the UN as the only legitimate decision-making body. For Kremlin, there were no vital interests at stake in Kosovo, but instead Russia saw in Kosovo a unique opportunity to further erode the West’s moral high ground, exposing US contempt for international law and institutions, while, as things turned out, gaining a strong foothold in Serbia. But still, if Russian interests are to be served and Moscow is to maintain its influence in the region via Serbia, the latter will have to be incorporated into Europe achieving the consequent political stability and steady economic growth that will render it a reliable and effective partner. A Serbia in the European camp, rather than isolated, will clearly be of greater use for Moscow. It is beyond doubt that a privileged bilateral partnership with Moscow cannot solve the problem of Serbia’s isolation, 77 with Romania and Bulgaria already members of the EU and NATO, and Croatia having started accession negotiations with Brussels, a path down which Bosnia, Montenegro, Albania and the FYROM are already headed. As demonstrated by the rekindling of Moscow-Sophia relations with the signing of energy agreements, Russia is part of the equation but is no substitute for full accession to Euro-Atlantic institutions. Consequently, the absence of a viable alternative led the Serbs to opt for the difficult but relatively safe route of prospective incorporation into Europe over the uncertainty of isolation. Let me now focus on the second factor, bearing on Russia’s reappearance in the Balkan state that is energy. I will give a brief outline of the states of affairs relevant to need to create new energy routes through the Balkans. The higher cost in recent years of transit through the Straits has made Russia seek reduced dependency. In spite of the recent improvement in its obligations with Ankara, the Kremlin would prevent to avoid dealing with Turkey that apart from being a less than submissive partner, is the exclusive southern route for conveying Caspian energy west, thus giving Ankara a negotiating advantage over Moscow. Moreover, Blue Stream and the straights give Turkey significant leverage for using times and situations of crisis. Furthermore, Ankara’s inability to fulfill its obligations – for example in the case of the Blue Stream – made it a less preferable energy partner for Russia. Other parameters have been: Moscow's willingness to implement energy transport projects that circumvent countries it considers unpredictable, favoring alternative transit routes through partners that are more predictable for Russian interests. 78 Following the recent crisis especially with Ukraine, the Kremlin is seeking geopolitically secure positions that will guarantee the uninterrupted flow of energy and avoid dependence in terms of absolute numbers, by multiplying energy route options. High oil prices is another factor that has given Russia increased elbow room to move ahead and promote even projects whose financial viability is questionable but that will increase Russia’s influence. Energy-rich Iran’s international isolation and infrastructure deficiency that might well be exploited by Moscow though delivering its energy resources to international markets as fast as possible and before Iran emerges from its isolation. And finally, recent agreements closed by Russia with Caspian states, mainly Turkmenistan but also Kazakhstan. These agreements tighten the Kremlin’s grip on its neighbors' reserves and given Azerbaijan’s short falling production which has hobbled the ambitious energy plans of Washington and Brussels, enable Moscow to determine to a great extent what routes it will use to deliver the vast quantities of energy in control at a time when black gold production has peaked in Russia. The emerging regional state of affairs served as another important factor in Moscow’s becoming more active in the Balkans. While faltering in other parts of the world, in the Balkans Western interests have been bolstered by the accession of Bulgaria and Romania to the EU and NATO as well as by general gravitation of other countries in the region towards Euro-Atlantic institutions. 79 The strength of the West’s political, economic, commercial and military foothold in the Balkans is prodigious. This has the Kremlin scrambling to become active in the region before the advancement of its interests there becomes unattainable. This created the need of the Kremlin to become active in the region as fast as possible with political time running short and the regional state of affairs negative for Russian interests taking shape. In the process of closing major energy deals in the Balkans, the Kremlin realized that there was room to strengthen Russia’s ties with such countries. Testing the reaction of the US and its ability to avert a strengthening of Moscow’s relations – initially with Athens and Sophia the Russian leadership developed a model for cooperation, a model that would at least at the outset supplement what they saw as the US-EU model. Moscow, beyond endeavoring to increase its influence in the region, is sending a double message. To the West, and mainly Washington, Moscow is saying that even places where you have consolidated your position are not forbidden to us and we are now in a position to compete effectively. And to states, viewing Russia through the sinister prison of recent history, Moscow is saying it acknowledges and accepts the new state of affairs and is prepared to show that there are sectors in which it can be a more attractive choice than the US and the EU. It is precisely for this reason that the Kremlin is willing to offer tangible returns in order to show the states in the region that there is another path to making gains. Given that these states have narrow margins in which to maneuver as long as their Western partners take them for granted. The aforementioned cooperation model that Moscow is implementing in the Balkans is aimed, on the one hand, at subverting stereotypes 80 regarding Russia intentions, and on the other, at showing prospective or reluctant partners that there is no reason to feel insecure when dealing with Moscow. This would go some way towards debating arguments for the need to expand NATO at Moscow’s periphery. The Russian leadership hopes this might improve Moscow’s image in given locals, facilitating joint business ventures and political concentrations. As a result and mainly through offering tangible monetary incentives, Moscow is attempting to narrow the psychological rift left by the Soviet era and the lapses of the Yeltsin years. Initially, Moscow would like to operate in a friendlier environment developing a mutual understanding of needs and pursuits and in the long term it is seeking well disposed articulators of its position at the EU and NATO courts. However, Russia is in the position of having to treat at the soonest possible time two problems that seriously impact the effectiveness with which it can promote its interests in the Balkans. On the one hand there is the fact that it cannot match Washington’s ability to play a mediating role in the vital foreign policy issues being addressed by states in the region. And on the other hand, there are clear repercussions Moscow’s problematic relations with the West have for any deepening of relations with countries in the region. In other words any impetus will continue to be limited until Moscow is seen as a more reliable, predictable partner by the West of the world enabling regional states to move towards a deeper multidimensional partnership with Moscow without fear of being caught particularly in USRussia crossfire. And herein lies one of the Russian side’s greatest fears: that states of the region may look to Russia primarily as a negotiating card that will 81 increase their leverage and stop their Western allies from taking them for granted. But this does not automatically entail that they would like to develop a more consolidated, clearer systematic framework relations with Moscow, which for the Kremlin would be a conventional route to developing a long-standing and strong foothold in Southeast Europe. To conclude, I consider Russia’s growing involvement in the Balkans to have its origins in opportunism: tactical moves made in reaction to given states of affairs. But the large number of energy projects under way – projects aimed not just at local markets, but at the European market as a whole – as well as Russia’s growing, though still relatively limited, economic and commercial involvement have laid the foundations for a durable influence especially as in some cases it affects commitments on political choices. This influence will give Russia a voice that the West will find difficult to defy, at least outright. Russia’s involvement in the region could, in specific circumstances, influence the course of events, tipping the scales in Moscow’s favor and protecting and consolidating its interests. However, all the countries in the region –with the possible exception of Serbia – clearly place greater value on their relations with Washington, and this cannot but restrict the potential in relations with Moscow. While the EU and NATO clearly have the upper hand in security matters, Russia contributed to the energy security of the wider region. Notwithstanding the issue of diversification of suppliers, Moscow’s participation in various projects of European interest is helping certain countries of the region to upgrade their geopolitical roles and to gain a greater say in regional affairs. There is no doubt that a responsible Russia will be able to make a substantial contribution to security in Southeast Europe. However, in spite of the footholds it has created recently, the Kremlin is not in a 82 position to avert stability threatening developments in what is in any case a fluid regional environment. Perhaps it should suffice for us that though certain Western states have been involved in regime change through colored revolutions in the postSoviet space, Moscow does not encourage destabilizing activities in the Balkans. Thank you very much for your patience. Back to agenda 83 “The fight for Serbia: is Europe the only way?” Dr Keridis Dimitris, Associate Professor of International Relations, University of Macedonia I would like to thank the Ministry and the organizers for the kind invitation and my co-panel which is here this morning and the chairman, Konstantinos Arvanitopoulos, an esteemed colleague and a dear friend. I am an academic, I see a lot of flags in the room, I will try not to bother you with official lines and official statements. As an academic I will fully exercise and a little bit abuse the freedom of speech and try to be as free-thinking, provocative, careless and undiplomatic as possible for the sake of our discussion this morning. I use this topic, I use Serbia for a number of reasons, but I’m not going to stay only in Serbia and try to give you a little bit of an overview with Serbia as the launching pad of the situation in the Balkans as I see it today. The reasons I chose Serbia - and my speech comes to you in a very timely fashion after you have heard two speakers, two wonderful speakers talking to you about Russia – I think Serbia is kind of the apple of discord; it has been the last few years in the Balkans between Europe and Russia. So I couldn’t think of a better introduction to my subject and I thank the two speakers that were before me. Now, I chose Serbia for a number of reasons, because I think Serbia for all its reduction the last twenty years remains central to the stability in Southeastern Europe. It has been central to all the problems of security in Southeastern Europe since the late 1980s and continues to play a vital role, disproportionate in some ways to its size. Geographically it’s situated at the very center of the peninsula, controlling the North-South and East-West communication axis. It is still, despite the reduction, double the size in population terms than all other former Yugoslav countries, double the size of Croatia in population terms, double the size of Bosnia, four times the size of Slovenia or the FYROM or Kosovo and 84 many many times bigger than Montenegro in population terms. So it’s a fairly big country by West Balkan standards, geographically very important and thirdly it holds an influence beyond the Serbian border, as we all know, in Bosnia through the Republica Serbska, in Kosovo still with all the enclaves in Northern Kosovo and all issues pending, in Montenegro in its vicinity. So for all these reasons, Serbia is central, Serbia is important and Serbia can provide us with an interesting launching pad, point of departure for our discussion on Balkan stability today. Now, unlike most of the rest of the former Eastern Europe - Eastern Europe is no more, it went away together with the Cold War in one way but nevertheless what used to be this Eastern Europe prior to 1989 – unlike the rest of Eastern Europe, places like Poland, Hungary and even Bulgaria and Romania, the European choice in Serbia remained debated after the fall of communism in 1988-1991 and the dilemma and the debate internally was re-invigorated more recently, surprisingly so in the 2000, the decade we are in now. That is, whereas for the rest of EastEuropeans the European choice seemed inevitable and undisputed more or less, in Serbia where to look, look East, look West remained – and even in the last elections, last May – an issue with a strong constituency within the Republic claiming an anti-European if you want or a Euroskeptical path. I’ll talk about the elections and the recent developments and the formation at last after so many weeks of this new government and what it promises and what it signifies for Serbian and Balkan politics in general. So, Serbia is important for a number of reasons and in Serbia we have seen a certain contest, if you want, between Russia and Europe for the country. 85 My third point - and I have seven for you this morning – has to do with the developments after 2000. My argument here is that the revolution, the glorious democratic revolution of September 24th 2000 that toppled – well at 24th were the elections, October 5th, it was a Thursday, if I remember correctly 2000 – that toppled Milosevic, remained at a minimum incomplete, at a maximum failed (the revolution of 2000). In a way Milosevic was defeated and ousted, but Milosevicism remained. It reminds me of what the Yugoslavs use to say in the 1980s: “After Tito, Tito”. This shows you the depth of the communist paranoia some times you know, Tito had died, but Tito remained in a sense in the 1980s. One can say with certain adaptations similar things about Serbia in the 2000, this decade of ours. “After Milosevic, Milosevic” if you want or at least “after Milosevic, the Milosevic agenda” still dominating Serbian politics in all sorts of ways, mainly through Kosovo, but not only because of Kosovo. And the carrier of this Milosevic agenda, the carrier of this has been since 2000, my argument goes, Kostunica. Kostunica inherited both the constituencies and the politics and the rhetoric, and to some extent the ideas, of course re-fabricated, readapted, re-modeled, of Milosevic and in that sense provided a strong impediment for true deep-rooted reforms in Serbia with Kosovo as the excuse. Now, Kosovo is a very complicated problem and I know that Aristotelis will be speaking to you about it in full depth. We have in Greece a dominant opinion about Kosovo often more extreme than in Serbia, but that has to do more with Greece than with Kosovo itself. No matter what one thinks about Kosovo and Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence, the truth of the matter is that it’s a very difficult, very complicated political problem to which the Serbia nationalists and Kostunica have never offered a solution. No matter what they claim – you know, the easy rhetoric – there is no solution; and there is no solution 86 because it is very difficult in the 21st century to preserve a neo-colonialist project in the heart of Europe. That is to go against the overwhelming wishes of the local population of 2 million and growing Albanians in the country. Autonomy, bigger or smaller autonomy, the fact of the matter is that if Kosovo remains within Serbia, Kosovars might be the largest political party in Belgrade and have a determining say in Serbian politics in ways that is unacceptable to Serbs and especially to Serbian nationalists, making the whole situation and the whole compromise very very difficult. But I will leave Kosovo aside because I don’t want to steal of the many valuable remarks that Aristotelis will give you. My fourth point is that Serbian politics have been volatile as the politics of many East European countries. Now we see a certain normalization little by little, it’s a very slow process and we see the emergence of two poles which is healthy, a bipolar system, a center-left and center-right. In the center-right, right, extreme right – call it whatever – nationalist right, you have the merging potentially of Kostunica with the radicals - we have already seen that in the post-election negotiations – and in the center-left and an unlikable partnership that have formed the new government in Serbia between the former Socialists of Milosevic and their biggest foes, the Democrats of Tadic, the former Gigic, but the Socialists since then have reformed, have Europeanized, have espoused more or less the European agenda, and so we have the convergence of the Socialists, the small Socialist party – what is left of the old Socialist party – with the Democrats of Boris Tadic, the President forming the new government in Serbia. So, we see the emergence of two poles – I will claim – if the process continues, that can provide stable democratic politics for Serbia this is a hopeful sign – alternating in power like in any other wellfunctioning European country, including my own, Greece. Now, we have an unfortunate development since we are taking about Serbia and the Western Balkans and this has to do with Lisbon. We live in an interconnected world - we often forget all those connections, we 87 tend to focus on the narrow and forget the broader - but the defeat of the Lisbon Treaty in Ireland has a direct impact on the Balkans and on enlargement. Now, on the inauguration of the French Presidency which took place in a grandiose typically French fashion in Paris a few days ago, President Sarkozy - beloved President Sarkozy these days in my country and in many other parts of Europe, but not in France, by the way – President Sarkozy declared boldly that enlargement is unthinkable without institutional changes in Europe first. That is, without passing the Lisbon, enlargement is no more. And so we already see that the victim of these Irish voters assess the Irish vote as a whole. But anyway, the abortion-hating, catholic, obsessed anti-globalization Irish constituency that voted against the Lisbon Treaty, the first and foremost victim of them is going to be the Western Balkans and enlargement. There is no doubt in my mind. And this is very unfortunate both because enlargement has been the single most success story in Europe the last 20 years and because Europe is the single strongest stabilizer in Eastern Europe and reform-driver in Eastern Europe and the Balkans in particular. And the weaker Europe and the European project, the weaker this reformers drive will be and positive changes in our region will be and I think that this is something that we will come to regret. Already we see a slowing of this reformist drive in much of the preaccession countries, we see it in a massive way, almost violent way, mind-boggling way, this regression of reform in Turkey, for example, these days. And I will say that the Turkish developments are both very negative and alarming, what is going on there, it is connected to a great extent – but not exclusively - with the slowing down of enlargement. It obviously has to do with domestic politics in Turkey, but it shows the difficulties that we are faced with all across Southeastern Europe today. 88 A return to violence is not probable for sure, with a slight exception of Turkey, where the possibility of civil war has increased in the last two months, I would claim, but this is a whole other subject, if you want, but in the rest of Southeastern Europe the return of violence is not probable, I believe, but the slowing down of the reformist drive is already with us, both in countries that have acceded like Bulgaria and Romania - a natural process; whenever a country gets in, the first few years are always difficult, they were difficult for Greece, they were difficult for many other countries, they are difficult for Bulgaria and Romania – but also, and this is the surprise, for the countries to accede, where they should be like Serbia or the FYROM or Bosnia, where reforms should have progressed much faster. The only exception, and I think it's a foregone conclusion, I believe is Croatia which I believe is soon to become a member despite this deterioration of the wider environment. Where does my country stand, Greece? And I will conclude with a few thoughts on that matter. No matter what one believes or thinks of the disintegration of Yugoslavia, and the regrettable process of violent disintegration of Yugoslavia - and the Greeks were all very negative and felt very negatively about this disintegration – the disintegration of Yugoslavia in geostrategic terms in the long-run has benefited Greece. Let’s be clear about that. Because with the absence of Yugoslavia, the Big Yugoslavia that dominated the Balkans, Greece’s role in the Balkans has enlarged and Greece can play a leadership role that in the presence of Yugoslavia could not play back in the Cold War and could not play after the Cold War. Greece is investing, is trading, is playing a leadership political role in ways that would have been unthinkable has Belgrade been what it used to be. Now, there has been a lot initially and there continues to be regional instability produced by this disintegration and the Greek political elites, media elite especially and other have often focused more on this instability and the negative aspects rather than the opportunities arising 89 from this development and in the past and more recently as well in a sense, what I call, over-macedonizing the response to the developments in the North. I am one of those who believe that Greece has not fully exercised its potential. It has the potential to play a very constructive role in places like Kosovo between the Liberals in Belgrade and the Albanian leadership in Kosovo and Brussels. It is the oldest EU member in the region, it has a fully-functioning market and well developed and growing economy. It has a number of assets that if, and they haven't yet been fully exploited, in alliance with other EU countries like Austria or Italy with great interest in the region, can make a big difference. I feel that in Europe, European countries overall have been the victims of what I call the Zapatero syndrome in Spain, that is, these countries that used to be much more active abroad, recently have become more introvert, domestically oriented, domestically consumed. And I think that Spain is a very good example, Spain was very active in the 1980s and the 1990s and is no longer, it no longer plays the role that it used to in Europe these days. I think it would be regrettable if we were in Greece to be affected by this Zapatero syndrome – regrettable for Greece and regrettable for the region – and this is up for graps and my own conclusion, my own judgment remains inconclusive and to be seen in the future. I will not bother you with more and I hope that there will be a few questions to continue our conversation both in the room and maybe outside and I turn to my chairman. Thank you. Back to agenda 90 91 “The Euro-Atlantic Prospects of the Western Balkans” Dr Tziampiris Aristotelis, Assistant Professor of International Relations University of Piraeus, Member of the Scientific Board of Defense Analysis Institute (I.A.A.) Let me first thank the organizers of the Conference for having me back this year and I also have to say that I feel very honored and flattered to be on this panel with this specific make-up, chaired by Professor Arvanitopoulos. Now, let me also explain that I was asked to talk about the Western Balkans and the Western Balkans are full of controversies and sensitivities, so let me be very clear, I am only expressing here my personal opinions and furthermore what I’ll try to say is what I see happening so this does not mean that I endorse these development or I like these developments. As an academic I'm just going to try to make an assessment of what I see happening. So let me be very clear-cut about this. Let me also stress that first and foremost for the countries of the Western Balkans that EU membership is not a mere tactical goal. It is a strategic goal of the highest possible significance. And it is a common strategic goal, a goal shared by all Balkan states including - I think, I hope, I predict – Serbia. Now, is this realization, the realization of these strategic goals realistic? There are some reasons - believe it or not – for optimism. First, the Western Balkans are located in Europe. They are without any doubt part of Europe. Debates raging about whether Turkey or the Ukraine are nonEuropean states, are simply non applicable to the Western Balkans. In this sense the Western Balkans are lucky, they are fortunate, for they have won a geopolitical lottery of sorts. 92 Secondly, in terms of total population and economic size, the incorporation of the Western Balkans into the EU would not alter any existing balances within the Union. Unlike Turkey demographic, cultural and economic realities would not be much affected. Third the EU, the European Union, cannot claim with credibility to have or aspire a global role, to have an influential global voice, the EU cannot claim the right to address issues as is Iran, Iraq, North Korea, global warming, etc, if it has failed to deal with the Balkans, if it has failed – so to speak – to successfully take care of their own backyard. So from an EU perspective a combination of moral obligations and enlightened self-interest suggest a positive, optimistic scenario for the accession of the Western Balkans into the Union. And this scenario may well be eventually actualized. However, there are quite a few problems and let me first say a few problems from the EU point of view. There are emerging obstacles that are really threatening to block an outcome and these obstacles are both humorous and formidable. Let’s consider the institutional hurdles. First, France has legislated a constitutional amendment requiring a referendum for every prospective EU member and Austria has expressed a similar intent but based on political statements and not on changes in law. The chances of a positive vote on Turkey are probably small, I can understand that. But what is interesting is one has to wonder whether French or Austrian citizens down the road, how they might react to the thought of new Union members such as Albania or tiny Montenegro. I’m not saying they will vote “no”, but I’m saying they will vote in France. And so that’s a hurdle that has to be overcome; it didn’t exist a few years ago. The prospect of sharing political decision-making with 7 new Balkan states is also sometimes viewed in a skeptical manner. In such a scenario many small and weak countries will have VETO power and 93 there might effectively two Albanian votes, for example, in the European Council. Reaching agreement in the Council will thus inevitably become more difficult and I'm not saying these are obstacles that cannot or should not be surmounted, but I’ve talked to enough decision-makers who know that this is a concern in some countries. And the European Council has also been stressing the Union's absorption capacity - there's a phase, this is not a new concept; it’s actually part of the Copenhagen criteria, if you look at them – but however singling out is significant not least because it emphasizes an illdefined and highly subjective element in the enlargement process. And finally – well there’s one more point that Dimitris said – but there’s also the specter of Turkey’s accession and that complicates everything. The more the Western Balkans European perspective is linked to Turkey’s, the worse the results will be for the region. Witness the expected referenda that were probably designed to block Turkey, but will affect all Western Balkan states, with the exception of Croatia. Although there are undisputable advantages to Turkey’s European path, in the final analysis, Turkey can survive and thrive without the European Union; the Western Balkans cannot. And there’s now a new development - and Dimitris mentioned it – and it’s the European Union before it moves on to further enlargements, has to figure out it’s going to be governed and now a shadow has been cast upon the Lisbon Treaty. But there are also some significant problems within the Western Balkans. It’s not just what the EU does. This is a game that has – let’s say – two sides. One is what happens in the European Union or what I see happening there and then developments in the Western Balkans. Three issues that I highlighted to talk about here today: 1) Serbia – I’ll say a few things because I was completely covered by Dimitris, 2) also 94 Kosovo – I was hoping he would address Kosovo, but I will say a few things and then I’ll also talk about the name dispute. Now, Serbia – we heard an entire presentation so I’ll just say two things. One is, it is impossible to envision stability in the Western Balkans without a stable and prosperous Serbia. Serbia is simply too big, historic and important a state to be ignored or by-passed in consideration of the recent future. A truly unfortunate development would entail Serbia’s permanently turning against the EU as a result of Kosovo, but I don't see that happening. It is as imperative that a wounded nation should not feel further humiliated but assert its European identity in the future. Alas, as is usually the case, most of the burden will probably fall on Serbia’s political forces and societies. And the second point that I would like to make is that in terms of…let me put it this way: there is no country, group of countries or alliance that can rival the European Union in what it can offer Serbia institutionally, politically and economically. So, let me repeat this point because I fell very strong about it: there is no country, set of countries or alliance that can rival the European Union in what it can offer Serbia on three crucial levels economically, institutionally and politically. And I think these are points to keep in mind when we discuss Serbia. Kosovo, it’s a big diplomatic problem and I’m stating the obvious, I’m not doing anything more. And it has various dimensions. Kosovo has never been an issue between just two groups, it's not an issue that is to be dealt with, with just the Serbs and the Albanians. It has always been an issue with significant regional and international ramifications. And it’s because of that that it has been such an intractable problem to be solved and it’s impossible to solve it here today. 95 I just want to make out two points. One is, it’s surely affecting Serbia, it has affected Serbia and this is something that is up to the Serbian people to decide how they want to proceed with it. But the EU has also been affected by Kosovo. And I think that there is a paradox going on. On the one hand, the future of Kosovo is European and the European Union will play a very significant role in what happens now in Kosovo – no doubt about that. At the same time there is not a common EU position on the recognition of Kosovo. Some countries have recognized it, some others including Greece have not and some vow never to do so. And to me again as an academic this perhaps highlights the Achilles heel of the European Union which is the difficulty to speak with a united political voice. I’m not saying…I understand all the reasons and there are some very good reasons for countries not to recognize it, I know the debate, I totally understand it. I’m just making the point. It’s sometimes difficult for the European Union to have a collective voice, political voice even on European issues. But having said that, let me stress yet again that what happens in Kosovo in the future, the EU plays a central role. There’s no doubt about that. And finally, let me say a few things about this favorite topic here in Greece, but very significant one and that is the name dispute. This dispute is not just about a name. It goes much much deeper and it involves issues of identity, first and foremost, and also issues of history and symbols. And there’s an economic dimension as well. but if you include identity, symbols, history, nothing can be more significant, nothing can be more visceral. In this room, there are a lot of people coming from the military. And people with a military background – I think all of us here have served in the Greek military – they understand the value of symbols. People often die for a flag, for example. And so this dispute is not just about a name, it’s about identity, symbols, history and culture. In this sense it’s often misunderstood abroad. 96 It also pertains to a dramatic and traumatic historical record that is really recent; it’s not ancient. And the key then being the Greek civil war and its aftermath. More recently there have been numerous provocations – from a Greek perspective – and this has made things even harder. Now, why am I mentioning all this? Not to give a lecture on the name dispute, but to stress, predict that the Greek VETO that was placed essentially in Bucharest will also apply to the European Union unless there is a satisfactory resolution of this dispute. Again this is my prediction but I think this is how things are progressing. And let me also stress that it’s in many ways unfortunate because right now Greece has officially, publicly and with almost complete political support changed its position accepting a compound name with a geographical connotation. This is new. So, the Greek position on the name dispute is that of a compromise and it’s a carrot and stick approach; we have the VETO and we have a new position that is conducive to a compromise. Alas, it has not been reciprocated. But this issue is the only issue that has brought a million Greeks in the streets in the past 20-25 years. We often here abroad people saying “Well, we don’t understand this issue, we don’t care, it’s ridiculous”. The truth of the matter is this has been the most sensitive issue here in Greece the past 20-25 years. And, unless there’s a resolution, it’s a kind of issue that might have real ramifications for the Euro-Atlantic progress of at least one Western Balkan state. So, that has to be addressed and I say that it’s really unfortunate when you have a real chance to see all these provocations and we can pick this up in the discussion. I’m not going to say much more and again Serbia, Kosovo, FYROM: excellent topics for discussion and perhaps some heated discussion as well. 97 In conclusion then, let me stress that there’s not much room for mistakes. With the Western Balkan states having to exhibit now consistent and persistent reform efforts, advocates of regional enlargements will have to realize that the “one size fits all” rhetoric is insufficient. And that they will now have to present different arguments to different constituencies. Hopes that enlargement will proceed because the EU has internalized a moral imperative are futile, in my opinion. Nor will the Union be blackmailed by arguments to the effect that unless the accession process is completed the region will turn to war and crime. Such a line of thought raises the precept that the Union will incorporate unwanted levels of instability and uncertainty which will in fact block enlargement. This is not the way to argue for enlargement. We are now entering…in fact I think we have already entered a period which could be called the long wait. The EU should make it much more interesting for the countries hoping to accede and the Western Balkans should get their act together as quickly as possible, resolve serious, outstanding political issues and problems and let us hope that Turkey’s European adventure will not spoil the more optimistic, but necessary scenario that brings the Western Balkans into Euro-Atlantic structures. Thank you very much. Back to agenda 98 99 Q&A Barkin Kayaoglu (Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs): Thank you, Mr Chairman. I’m going to somewhat exploit Greek hospitality and make a couple of comments, because my country’s name was mentioned in more than one presentations. To remind participants I’m Barkin Kayaoglu from the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs and while I’m going to make this intervention, I’m wondering if it’s at all possible to open the presentation of Mr Savva on the screen because there’s one little thing that I want to show there. First, what I would like to say to Professor Keridis. Well, sir, I know that what happens in Turkey could be magnified and it’s followed with great interest here in your country, but I would have to throw a bucket of cold water as to what you just said about the potential of having a civil war in Turkey. I think it's an over-usage of imagination in what is actually a political and legal matter and we have to find the people who are able and willing to kill each other for a civil war, if I’m not wrong. So, we will probably have to import mercenaries for that. Second, I would like to thank both Professor Filis and Mr Savva for their well thought-out presentations. One point for Professor Filis, I really don't know what our problem was with the Blue Stream. As far as I’m concerned we have an excellent cooperation with Russia in the energy field, but maybe Mr Savva could comment on that as well – whatever problem there is. About Mr Savva presentation, I would just kindly remind you that I couldn’t see the slide so it’s probably not that easy to open it. I think it was the third one from the end showing the map of Eurasian pipelines. (Yes, that one. Thank you so much.) I need to see the South-East of Turkey, but anyway…I have to remind you that there are also other projects and still untapped potential as to Iraq and the Arab national gas 100 pipeline project that will come from Egypt. I checked my numbers when I came here and I understand that Egypt has a potential of almost 42 trillion m3 of national gas and Iraq has some 10 trillion. So, those are the untapped potential that we still have into the game. Last comment. Could we see Mr Savva last slide, please? And this will bring me to what Mr Tziampiris said. This is a very nice slide and it actually gave some ideas about our never-ending European journey. Mr Savva kindly added our North-Western tip to EU, so maybe that’s going to be our alternative, you know do it bit by bit. I would like to thank you all for listening to me and…(Turkish) Mr Savva: Thank you so much for these comments. I would agree with most of the comments produced previously on the subject. And the message of our presentation was cooperation is the best form for the implementation of specific projects and for the realization of endeavors of countries of the region and of partners that are involved in various fields of cooperation in the Southeastern Europe. I would like to point out that our cooperation with Turkey and especially on the Blue Stream project is excellent and very efficient. We have to take into account - that is not just to contravene with the statements of Dr Filis, because I have the impression that we are just complementing in various aspects and with various opinions and various comments on the same subject. But I would say that we have to take into account that projects of large scale which presume investments of tens of billions of dollars have a long history to be implemented and different stages. And of course we started from an idea and we now are at the stage through the Blue Stream and thanks to this project we can pump to the Turkish market about 16 billion m3 of gas. Of course the capacity is not used at a full extent but that may depend on many factors. 101 So the purpose in trading is not just to pump a commodity but to provide it when there is a demand on a specific market. So, this may also affect the rate of effectiveness of a specific project and we look forward to fully using the capacity of Blue Stream and more than that: there is a proposal suggested by the Russian side to further increase and even to double the existing transport capacity of the Blue Stream. We hope that it will become a reality on the basis of the cooperation with our friendly, neighboring Turkey. Thank you. Professor Keridis (civil war comment): Thank you. I understand your discomfort with this. I spoke of a possibility. I didn’t speak of a reality or a certainty; a possibility among others. And it’s something that I don't consider very likely, but it is a possibility, I think. Now, I would like to comment on your care-free attitude by reminding you of the fact that Turkey has been through a civil war recently no matter what you might say of mercenaries. I am a political scientist and an IR, an International Relations theorist, and in my field, any violent conflict with more than 1.000 people dead is considered a war and anything that happens within the territory of a country is a civil war. With this definition in mind, what went on in the Turkish South-East after 1984 can be classified and has been classified in the international bibliography as a civil war as that. Now, you may use any kind of political beautification you may want, but there were several times that number of victims in the South-East, Turkish citizens, of different ethnic origins – one might claim – but nevertheless in the South-East. Now, we have a process today in Turkey, very unfortunate and very risky, I believe, - and I speak as a friend of Turkey – whereas not only the largest party of Turkey – 47% of the vote in the recent elections - is ready to be banned by your Constitutional Court, but also the main Kurdish party, the two of them representing 85% of the votes in the last elections in the South-East - the overwhelming majority of Turkey's South-East citizens-voters - are to be banned by your Court. And that’s closing the political road, the political expression to them. Now, as an outsider, I believe that the political paths 102 are closed, non-political, extra-political, extra-parliamentary paths might open and this is very dangerous, I believe. Now, many people in Europe, sir, unfortunately might welcome this development. Many people in Europe who are very skeptical of Turkey and have done everything possible to destroy Turkey’s accession hopes, including President Sarkozy, might celebrate and this is a proof of the undemocratic Eastern Oriental - whatever you want – Asian, Asiatic nature of Turkey. I am not one of them. And I believe that the recent crisis that keeps on escalating is very dangerous, it’s full of risks and if we need to pour cold water, buckets of cold water, it should not be in this room, but in Ankara. And I am ready to help you pour as many of those buckets of water in Ankara to the hot heads of Ankara as possible and I can join you in that effort if you want. Thank you. Dr Filis: Concerning the Blue Stream, the initial agreement was for the consumption of 16-17 billion m3 by Turkey a year. Three years after the Blue Stream works at one third of its capacity. Turkey does not consume from the Blue Stream more than 7-8 billion m3. So this is what I consider to be a problem. Some of you might assess that this is too early after only three years after its completion. But still, it is a fact that Turkey consumes about one third of the full capacity which means that Blue Stream does not operate in full capacity. This is number one and number two: there were some thoughts on the Russian side that they should go ahead with Blue Stream II. Instead, for the time being, they decided to go ahead with South Stream. This implies something for me; I hope it implies something for you too. Thanks. Defense Attaché from the Republic of Serbia in Athens: I would like to make some comments concerning the speech of Dr Keridis about of course Kosovo. I can agree more or less with his observation about what is going on in Kosovo, but one thing is not true. As you said Kostunica didn’t offer anything during the negotiation process, I must say 103 that we offered during this negotiation process a lot, but it was not a negotiation process, because, as you know, from the beginning Kosovo Albanian representatives held the same stance “No negotiations. We only want independence, not more, not less." Our stance was constantly “Ok. We are going to do and give you everything except changing borders and sovereignty of Serbia.” This is the only point I want to stress About the others, we can agree or not in many ways and probably what you said is something very simple. There are no bad and good guys in Serbia now and this simple picture with democratic, nationalism and Milosevic – as you said – is in the past. Now, Serbia is a strictly democratic country. Of course in this scope, in this composite it also consists of some parts of nationalism, alike, for example, here in Greece and other countries. Thank you very much. Professor Keridis: I agree with the basic thinking of your comment, about the negotiations, etc. and I do believe that Serbia has a very strong legal position in the Kosovo matter. It’s something that I have written about and have said it time and again. There are many hypocrites and a lot of hypocrisies surrounding Kosovo however; on all sides, everywhere. And because I have been speaking with your leadership, the leadership in Belgrade for quite a long time and I have come to know the place very very well and have it close to my heart, whenever I ask people of the Kostunica camp, Kostunica himself, of the implications of their proposals for Serbia in the future, they don’t come up with an answer. This is what I meant. That is, if Kosovo remains within Serbia, are these nationalists ready and willing to accept an Albanian-speaking Prime Minister of Serbia? Because the long-term implication is that you are going to have a large Albanian party in the Serbian Parliament in Belgrade and that Albanian Kosovars will have a say in the future of Serbia. This is the implication of keeping Kosovo within Serbia. And this is what I mean “have we thought through the political (implication)?” Because ultimately this is a political problem, it’s not only legal. It’s first and foremost a political problem. The political 104 implications of that, having Kosovo with a growing population, playing such a dominant role in that Serbia. Now, there are many alternatives. A Serbia that is not democratic: that was the case in the past. Keep Kosovo, but not have democracy so Kosovars will not have a say. This is no longer an option and I’m not in favor of that, because I believe in a Serbia democratic and in Europe. You may say that these Kosovars will not have a say in Belgrade. That they will be a completely separate constituency. But then what is the meaning of this autonomy within Serbia? I mean, are we playing with words, are we playing with names? Either they are within and have a say in Belgrade or they are outside and they don’t have a say in Belgrade. But they cannot be inside and outside. All these are complicated matters and I'm afraid that the debate in Serbia itself has not advanced to the truths of the matters, because it’s such an emotional issue, it’s so charged, it’s so politicized by all constituencies. We suffer the same problems in other fields. I mean here in Greece and in other countries, this is a very serious situation, I understand, and I understand how democracies work. But nevertheless I am only saying that we have to be truthful and see the long-term implications of the Kostunica position for Serbia. That’s all I say. And see the risks and dangers for Serbia. Thank you. Back to agenda 105 "The Middle East, the Eastern Mediterranean: mutual implications, regional super powers, dangerous instabilities” Dr Nachmani Amikam, Associate Professor of Political Studies, BarIlan University Thank you very much. Good morning. First of all, let me thank the organizers for the invitation to be here. I am indebted. I will use a lot the word dramatic, because I cannot describe in a better way the changes taking place recently in the Eastern Mediterranean. My thesis is rather simple. The more the official Turkey focuses on becoming a member of the EU, the less Turkey is ready to play a major role - I mean a role expected form its status and strength - in the Middle East and Central Asia. The result: other actors attempt to become the Middle East regional super powers. And I will start with Turkey. The international situation of Turkey has changed dramatically for the better during the last 10-15 years. Globally speaking there are not many parallels to this betterment. Turkey now enjoys, in my opinion, many parallels with the hay-days of Great Britain in the 19th century, even with the better sides of the splendid isolation enjoyed then by Great Britain. To put it briefly, Turkey located at the frontier of the Middle East is not a party to the region’s conflicts and wars. Instead it focuses on its official aim to become an EU member. Great Britain in its relation with Europe in the 19th century enjoyed a similar status and focus in enlarging its empire. My second comment relates to methodology. It is impossible to understand the present without focusing on the history of the last 15-18 106 years. Hence, my presentation will be divided almost half-half between history and presence. I will begin with history. One of the explanations given to the policies of Washington in many places around the world is; as a young nation, the United States has no sense of history. As far as the Americans are concerned the past began in 1945. We mentioned this disadvantage of being young. You all remember that a few years ago when the museums were robbed in Baghdad, one of the explanations was that it could happen only under American responsibility. The reason: Americans lack a sense of history. Ok. I’m not going to refute or confirm this saying. True. America is a young nation; probably among the youngest of nations, but probably with the longest of memories. I think this long memory of the US has and will have a lot to do with the Turkish decision not to grant of passage through her territory to American troops on their way to Iraq. And the war in Iraq in 2003. In March 2003, Turkey did not permit American troops to invade Iraq via its territory. Instead the American military has to circumvent Turkey and to attack Iraq from its Southern border only instead of a planned simultaneous pincer-like attack from North and South. Frustrated Americans argued that had Iraq been invaded through Turkey, the Sunni remains of the defeated Iraqi army who are now launching terror campaigns against the American military in Iraq would have been neutralized. Another result of the Turkish refusals was that one of the US divisions intended for the invasion was forced to relocate and was unable to take part in the operation until well in the war. Yet the initial American attack on Iraq in March 2003 resulted in the death of a relatively small number of American GIs and the number is 182 107 soldiers in the period March-May 2003. The 1st of May was the day when President Bush declared the end of major combat operations in Iraq. This brought little criticism against Turkey. Later however, when the Americans suffered heavy casualties, a different music was heard. Had Turkey allowed us to attack Iraq via its territory, the results would have been totally different. Conversely, one hears in Ankara that it was the US that so heavily destabilized the internal Iraqi order. It was the US that did not consult with Turkey before invading Iraq. It was the US that acted in Iraq against Turkey's specific requests and advice. It is the presence of the US in Iraq - so say the Turks - and in Afghanistan that cause Iran to become nuclear. More so, argue people in Turkey, Saddam Hussein managed to curb Kurdish Iraqi nationalism. As long as Saddam was in power, the autonomous Kurdish region in the North of Iraq was heavily dependent on Turkey for supplies, medicines, food, energy, etc. The destruction of the regime n Baghdad meant that the Kurds in the North of Iraq won accessibility to energy and other sources and became less dependent on Turkey. Now, how does the Turkish design policy to become a member of the EU affect Ankara’s interactions in the Middle East? Is there a contradiction between Ankara’s aspirations in Europe and its relations and policies towards the Middle East? Statistics and figures show that for the foreseeable future EU-Turkey relations will dominate Turkish economy and politics. Indeed the two contract deep trade relationships. And the EU ranks by far as number one in both Turkey’s imports and exports, while Turkey ranks 7 th in the EU’s top imports and 5th in the export market. 108 The overwhelming attention paid by Turkey towards the EU could be learnt from events in 2007. Most scholars would agree that the year 2007 was a lost year as regards Turkey’s efforts towards accession. 2007 was a year for EU reforms, lamented Turkey’s Foreign Minister Ali Babacan. Among other reasons, Turkey's EU accession reforms slowed down last year due to general elections in Turkey in July 2007 and its Parliament resulting long recess. Yet in spite of this slow down nearly 213 meetings on EU-Turkish issues have been held since last fall. 17 Turkish delegations were sent to Brussels in the last five months. More than 40 visits were paid to EU countries at the level of Prime Minister and State Minister and Prime Minister Erdogan visited five EU countries in the last five months. But the Turkish wish to become an EU member produces other policies as well. The idea that Ankara should focus on Europe causes people in Turkey to think that it would be senseless, futile, if not totally stupid – I heard the word idiotic as well – for their country to become embroiled in conflicts in other regions. Central Asia and the Middle East, places where Turkey traditionally has special ethnic and economic interests witnessed a different, probably a secondary level of Turkish interaction and involvement. Turkey’s influencing the Turkic Republics of Central Asia has often collided with similar interests of Russia and Iran. With EU being the prime aim of Turkey, Ankara prefers not to exacerbate their relations with Moscow and Tehran over Central Asian markets and influence. The Middle East where Turkey is the strongest actor practically feels a lack from Turkish involvement. Ankara is ready to accommodate peace negotiations, to intermediate, to be the courier, to deliver messages, to promise investments, but only after peace will prevail or settlement will be reached in the Middle East. Ankara is reluctant to act like a regional super power, to be the region’s policeman, to send troops when needed, 109 to help in policing the region; but most important to stipulate the application of arrangements and settlements in the region by its consent or VETO. Such is the Turkey participation in the UNIFIL II mission in Lebanon. The Turkish body of the force in UNIFIL is military engineers, not combat troops that help with the civil reconstruction of Lebanon following the war of 2006. A mere single Turkish boat participates in the naval element of UNIFIL II. Even this limited participation evoked resistance at home, I mean in Turkey. If one looks for the precedent of a country that thrives to become the region's sheriff, then the Iranian behavior is that of an actor that wishes to become one. The end result of Turkey focusing on Europe and the reluctance to take risks in the Middle East, is that the strongest actor in the region i.e. Turkey practically has a marginal influence on the present events and future developments. More so, when Turkey does not strive to become the regional super power, the area is open for Iranian hegemony. You go from Iraq to Syria to Lebanon to Gaza and you will understand what I mean by Iranian hegemony. Presently Iran aspires to become the regional super power, in particular after the possible disappearance, perhaps even disintegration of Iraq as a result of the war in 2003 that lasts up to nowadays. That is to say go and learn from Tehran what to do if you want to become the regional super power. How different is this situation from a scenario envisaged by the Times magazine some years ago? The Times put an advertisement and the advertisement goes like this: the title is “Help wanted” and it called for “I need a nation to serve as a go-between for the Western World and the 110 Middle East that would assist in turning suspicion into cooperation. The candidate must be a firm US-European ally desiring closer ties yet, Islamic in religion and culture, capable of serving as a role model of secularized Western democracy for other Muslim states.” Having ethnic links with some of those states, a booming free-market economy, permitting some assistance to poorer brothers were also among the job specifications. The mission also had benefits: regional super power within few years and possible major influence on wider world affairs. The magazine then concluded "There is no need to look for such a country. Turkey fits every specification. Moreover it wants the job." Turkey does not want the job. In the year 1998, Syria and Turkey were on the verge of an open conflict following the support that Damascus gave to the Kurdish PKK on their ground. Since then the relations between Ankara and Syria changed with an impressive increase in trade. Turkey is Syria’s largest sixth trade partner, the mutual annual trade is close to $3 billion, mutual visits by head of states and frequent meetings between high ranking military echelons. Syria’s ambassador in Washington, Imad Mustafa characterizes his country’s ties with Turkey as a honeymoon and the best possible relations between any two neighboring countries in the world. The Turkish stand on the issue is apparently simple and I quote “After making peace with the Greeks, why should we fight with Syria and Iran? What is the benefit of this fight? Of course these are relations which are not very easy for Turkey at all. Our strategic ally, the US does not want us to establish any relations with these countries and moreover it demands that we sever these relations. This is one of the hardest issues my government has to cope with.” Now, a summation of Turkish-Syria relations by a Turkish analyst at the US War College describes the complexity and the implications that this 111 system bears for Turkish-American relations. “Syria is perceived as the underdog against the US. So, the more the US says don’t talk to Syria, the more it will become attractive for Turkish public opinion. And that may be why Syrian President Bashar al-Assad got such a warm welcome on the recent trip to Turkey.” Now, a recipe for improvement of the relations in the East Mediterranean, in fact anywhere in the world, was eventually found. As far back as 1996, a meeting of the Turkish entrepreneurs convened in Smirni or Ismir. They concluded that once the annual trade between two countries reached the two billion dollar threshold, soldiers and politicians would be much less eager and unable to orchestrate crises. Indeed, see the development in the volume of trade between Turkey and Greece. This stood on $450 million in the year 1999 for a combined population then of more than 75 or close to 80 million people. It tripled itself and reached more than $1.3 billion in 2003. A year ago, it crossed the $4 billion line. In particular, energy and tourism increased. In fact, Athens and Ankara dealt systematically with most of the disputed territorial, energy and sovereignty issues that for years marred and despaired their relations. They even coordinated policies regarding major foreign policy issues. Ankara’s views pertaining to Iraq, Iran, Syria and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict resembled that of Athens; more precisely that of the EU and not of the US. Similarly a year ago the volume of trade between Turkey and Israel crossed the $4 billion a year. This renders the Turkish-Israeli interaction or the Turkish-Greek interaction more permanent as a structure whose components have an interest of their survival over the length of time. Middle classes and elites in the three countries have mutual trade contacts, may as a result have a vested interest in the survival of the trade and its development. 112 Take the example of Israel and Turkey. More than between any two Middle Eastern countries, the bilateral Turkish-Israeli civil trade, military and tourism excluded - I emphasize civil trade – is the highest in the Middle East. This non-military aspect of the relation gives a wide basis to the pyramid, probably projecting longevity. For comparison all other bilateral special relations of my country i.e. Israel with France in the 1950s, Iran in 1970s, Ethiopia and South Africa in the 1980s all crashed; and were principally of one dimension, the military or governmental one and lacked the above civilian wits of the pyramid. Allow me to have a word on Cyprus. I will not bother you with the details of the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan’s plan for a unified bi-zone loose federal Cyprus. It is 1.200 pages, with the appendices it reached 9.000 pages, some say 12.000 pages. Now, Israel keeps a close eye on the negotiations, as from May 1st 2004 the EU is 30 minutes from Rome, 30 minutes from Tel Aviv. It will become harder for the Israeli to dismiss the EU, which is now closer to us, much closer than Washington and to ignore the EU's interest in the Middle East. Now, while in principle Turkey is against the Iranian plans to acquire nuclear military capability, Ankara refuses to impose a trade boycott on Iran or other sanctions and objects to a military solution to the crisis. “Diplomacy produces better results”, Ankara contends. And Ankara blamed the US for preventing the Turkish military from launching largescale attacks in Iraq against the Kurdish PKK underground. The American rationale is understandable: Northern Iraq and the autonomous Kurdish region there is the quietest part of that war-torn country. However the Turkish underground, the PKK, took root in Northern Iraq. From there it acts its activities against Turkey. Turkey complains of vicious attacks that are launched from this region against its 113 population and troops resulting in the recent killing of hundreds of Turkish soldiers. “What would Washington do if hundreds of its soldiers were killed by terrorists who come from Mexico?”, question the Turkish media. Now, in this context, Israel is also a subject to Turkish criticism. In the summer of 2006 it found itself a party to Turkish-American conflict. And I’ll explain. Washington supported then the Israeli attack on Lebanon in response to the killing of eight Israeli soldiers and the kidnapping of two others by Lebanese Hezbollah militia. This started the second Lebanese war. Allegations of double standards were quick to surface in Ankara against decision-makers in Washington and the US freedom it gives to Israel to wage war on Lebanon and the American reluctance to give Turkey the same in Northern Iraq. Now, the summation of all the above is a perception in Washington that the US cannot take Turkey for granted as an ally. The conclusion in Ankara is no different. Our relations with Washington are tense. Often Americans ignore Turkish interests. Hence, Turkey cannot be sure that Washington or NATO will be of assistance during a crisis. And I want to conclude my short presentation by having a one-sentence poem of a person who is probably not extremely liked in this country. But you’ll listen to the poem and understand. “It is only in a foreign land that you can understand that Greeks are your long-lost brothers.” Bülent Ecevit, Turkish Prime Minister Thank you very much. Back to agenda 114 115 “The changing geo-strategic environment in the Middle East and World Politics” Dr Koutsis Alexandros, Associate Professor on Middle East Politics, Panteion University Thank you, Mr Chairman. Ladies and Gentlemen, my usual practice is to introduce my presentation with a joke. And I have a joke that befits the situation in the Middle East today. It concerns a man who was frying fish and something went wrong and the hot oil fell on his face. The surgeon at the hospital told him that he has a third degree burn and that the only thing they could do is have a transplant. But he said to him “My friend, you are so skinny, where are we going to find the skin to carry out the transplant?” So, his wife offered herself; to take skin from her and transplant it on her husband's face. The doctor said No, my lady. I don't think it is advisable, because the skin I need should be firm, rosy and the only place it can come from is your backside.” The lady thought for a moment and said “It’s alright. I’ll sacrifice this for my husband.” So, the operation went ahead and a week later they removed the bandages and wow – the guy was more beautiful than he was before. Beautiful cheeks, firm, rosy. Everybody who walked into the room was congratulating him. After a few days he said to his wife “My dear Maria, I’m sorry but with all this excitement I forgot to thank you for the sacrifice you have undertaken. In fact I enjoy seeing myself in the mirror.” And his wife replied “My darling, you cannot imagine what pleasure I derive every time I see your mother kiss you on the cheek.” Ladies and Gentlemen, there is a lot of cheek kissing going on in the Middle East today. And with that note, let me pinpoint what sort of changes have happened in the geopolitical environment in the Middle East. We can all agree that after the war in Iraq and the invasion of Lebanon, the situation in the Middle East has changed radically. Usually I start from international 116 repercussions and work down to domestic repercussions. Today I will inverse the process. I will begin with domestic repercussions of these two wars on the Middle Eastern states. Of course I’m taking the important repercussions. The first thing that one can note here is that what we see is the erosion of the Arab states as a state. We know that modern states derive their legitimacy from having a monopoly of power and they use this power to impose peace and defend their territorial integrity and sovereignty. Well, the war in Iraq and Lebanon has shown that the Arab states – most of the Arab states – do not have the capability to defend themselves against external invasion. On the contrary the guerrilla movements in Iraq and the resistance of Hezbollah in Lebanon have shown that some effective paramilitary organizations, like these organizations, can create havoc on an invading army. So, what we note is the rise, the emergence of a role, a political role of such groups in the Arab states, but a role that is also demanding participation in the decision-making process. And we see this with the Hezbollah in Lebanon. And we see it also with the Sunni groups in Iraq. And not only that but these groups are also challenging domestic regimes as far as decision-making and the defense of the country are concerned. So, we see here the erosion of the Arab states. What is important is that this conflict between the domestic regimes and these non-state actors is leading to a new inter-Arab Cold War where the moderate states - usually friendly to the United States, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, the Gulf States - are allied on one side against the radical groups in the Arab world which is Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah. So this is something we are going to deal with in future. The second important repercussion in the Middle East is on Israel itself. The Lebanon war was the first instance in Israeli history where Israel had 117 to fight – I use the word “fight” between quotation marks – a war on its territory instead of its traditional military doctrine of fighting a war in another country’s territory. It was receiving missiles form Hezbollah. It was getting a lot of damage done within its territory. And not only that, it had to witness for the first time in its history a serious refugee problem, where citizens of Israel in the Northern part migrated to safer places in the South. This has had an impact on Israeli thinking. And one can discern within Israel the crystallization of two schools of thought. One such school represents the extreme right and its allies in Israel who argue that the Israeli government should adopt a tougher policy towards the Palestinians, that it should forget any idea of unilateral withdrawal from the West Bank because this would only allow Iran to arm the Palestinian Hamas in the West Bank as well and that any such moves will give the impression that Israel has become weak and will only provoke additional confrontations in future. The second school of thought is the one that thinks “Well, we have reached a point where barriers don’t guarantee our security, military might alone does not guarantee our security and that the best thing we could do is to move quickly to a settlement of the issues that divide us with the Arab countries and this means we do not move into a unilateral withdrawal from the West Bank without an agreement, Like we did in Gaza. It seems to me that three conditions prevailing in Israel after the Lebanon war are reflected in the policies today. First of all the political turmoil that was generated then, exists today; secondly, tougher policies towards Gaza are in operation; and thirdly steps have already been taken to initiate negotiations with Syria and of course the Palestinian Authority. 118 So, what we are seeing here is a change, a combination if you wish, of the factors in Israeli policy in dealing with the area. The third element I need to mention is the effect that this has on the Palestinians themselves. First of all the prospect that Israel will adopt tougher policies towards Gaza has mobilized the Gaza population around the Hamas government despite the embargo, the effects of the embargo and everything else. And it has made the Hamas government more reluctant to accept the conditions set by the Quartet about recognizing the right of Israel to exist and about allowing Israel to live within secure borders plus accepting the agreements and of course denouncing terrorism. So, we find the Hamas group becoming more radical in terms of dealing in negotiations and insisting that any negotiations between the Palestinian Authority and Israel will be subject to their final confirmation. So, we have somehow a deadlock but at the same time a prospect that we might get somewhere. Regional repercussions First of all, the war in Lebanon has destroyed, I think, for good the idea that Israel is invincible. And that military power itself is not sufficient to guarantee its security. But it also led to another effect: it downgraded the movement that existed among the Arab states since the Gulf War in 1991 to move slowly towards some recognition of the state of Israel. The Lebanon war stopped that dead-end. The second important consequence is the bankruptcy of the Arab League. The inability of the members of the Arab League to overcome their rivalries for over a month during the Lebanon war so as to adopt a position which would bring that war to an end convinced the Arab public that this League would have to be revised, reorganized, if it is to play any role in Arab security. And we have seen the weaknesses of the League in 119 its inability to move the parties in Lebanon towards a reconciliation, towards forming a government, electing a president and the inability of the League to move Hamas and the Palestinian Authority towards the formation of a new national unity government. So the Arab League has become bankrupt. And when you keep in mind that there is already a division between the moderate, pro-American states and the radical Syria, Hamas states, then you can imagine that the Arab League has already been divided along these lines and it is almost impossible for it to act effectively in the region. The third element is that the inability of Israel to impose a total victory on Hezbollah has given the impression in the Arab public opinion that resistance movements can play an important role in the final outcome. In what sense? In the sense that Hezbollah’s resistance has delayed any victory for Israel and has forced the United Nations to amend the original proposal made by France and the US, to amend its proposal in the Security Council and to make it more acceptable to Hezbollah and the Arab states. So, if resistance can bring about such a change in the Security Council, then maybe resistance is a weapon that should be used. This is Arab thinking, not mine. So, we find therefore, these non-state actors, paramilitary organization protecting themselves as the defenders of Arab interests far better than the Arab governments themselves. The fourth consequence is the return of Syria to the spotlight. Until then, as you recall, Syria was isolated, it was forced out of Lebanon, there was a movement to indict Syrian officials for the assassination of Hariri and all of a sudden after Lebanon, Syria emerges as a player in the peace process. And of course this thing is attributed to the fact that Syria has founded and supported both Hezbollah and Hamas and that if she continues this policy she can create problems in the area. 120 And American policy began to change that one way to get Syria to abandon this practice is to get Syria into the negotiating table. And this has facilitated the process that we now see both through Turkey and through other persons like Sarkozy to get Syria into the negotiating process. Turkey is beginning to play a very important role in the Middle East. I disagree a little with my friend Nachmani in the sense that Turkey cannot afford to let the Eastern Mediterranean, especially the Gulf of Alexandretta become a hostile area because that would affect its terminals at Ceyhan. And Turkey would like to make sure, just like in the Ottoman period, that the security of Syria guarantees the security of Turkey. So, Turkey is emerging as a very important player in the Middle East first of all because it doesn’t want to leave the area to Iran, to the hegemony of Iran, and secondly because it wants to make sure that its neighborhood is a safe neighborhood. International repercussions The Lebanon war will affect countries even beyond the Middle East. The first consequence is the end of the American doctrine enunciated by Perl and Wolfowitz under the name of Clean Break. As you will recall very briefly that doctrine was that the United States will promote democracy in the area so that the world is safe for the United States. This doctrine has collapsed, because in Iraq it failed to promote democracy, in the Gaza Hamas won the elections and all of a sudden the United States realized that democracy may not be in their interests, otherwise they will have to go to war against any country that chooses somebody they don’t like. So, the whole policy enunciated by the neo-conservatives has gone down the drain. 121 Another effect in the area was that the inability of Israel to defeat Hezbollah – militarily they did, diplomatically they did not – bankrupt another principle of the neo-conservatives: that Israel must play the role of the strategic ally of the United States in the Middle East. Well, as it happened, instead of Israel cleaning up the board as a proxy of the United States in Lebanon, the United States had to intervene to save Israel from the fiasco it has gotten itself into. So, strategic alliance with Israel cannot be guaranteed. A new arrangement has to be found. And the new arrangement is something that will have to be worked out and is already being worked out in cooperation with what I call the moderate Arab states. The second important consequence is the decline of the American influence in the Middle East. The war in Iraq, the detainment of prisoners in Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and all the other things associated with that unpleasant experience has confirmed in Arab public opinion that the focus and aim of American diplomacy is to preserve Israel even at the expense of Arab humiliation and suffering. So public opinion in the Arab world for the United States has – and I think the Muslim world in general – has gone down significantly. And I will give you a few figures just as a comparison. Turkey from 52% being favorably disposed to the United States five years ago, today only 12% are favorably disposed. In Indonesia the percentage has gone down from 61% to 30%. In Nigeria from 72% to 32%. Even in Lebanon where the population was 84% favorable to the United States that has gone down considerably. For your interest, world public organization DotOrg has just published a report on recent polls dated 1st July 2008. What views are held in the Arab and Muslim world with regard to the United States and other countries in the world? Consult it and you’ll be surprised. 122 So influence has decreased which means that the United States can no longer play the role of an effective mediator of conflicts in the area. And it’s no surprise that local states are beginning to solve their problems themselves without the participation of the United States. Now, the Americans have a response to this – the Bush administration has a response to this. They argue that what we can do is mobilize the moderates against the radicals. Those of us who have studied the Middle East closely know that there are five negative forces that affect radicalization and polarization in the Middle East. First is the home-grown emotional mass movements; secondly, irresponsible and often criminal national governments; thirdly, stressful economic and social conditions; fourthly, brutal Israeli policies in occupied territories; and fifth, intrusive Western militaries: Today, the United States; previously the European powers. Now, all of these factors are present in the Middle East today. And if we are going to start dividing and exploiting the moderates against the radicals, we will only exacerbate the situation even worse. Another effect of the Iraq and Lebanon wars is the decline of European Union standing in the Middle East. This is especially true with regard to Lebanon. The European Union did not move immediately to stop the war giving the impression to the Arab public that they agreed with the Israeli position and the American position. The G8 in fact came out with a statement, if you recall, supporting the initial proposal at the Security Council. This was seen by the Arab states as double standards and they have somehow lost confidence in the Middle East. And this has been added to the experience that Arab states have noticed since 2005. Now, before 2005 the EU seemed to follow a middle course with regard to the Middle East. Since then its policy has changed either supporting 123 Bush or giving the impression of supporting Bush. And this has created in Arab thinking that the EU cannot be trusted so much as before. So, one victim of the event in Lebanon has been European credibility in Arab thinking. And of course the United Nations has not escaped the consequences. The fact that it was unable to prevent one of its members from becoming a victim of a war, its inability to quickly lead to a resolution for a ceasefire has made the UN look to the Arab people in the Middle East as an ineffective organization, one that you cannot depend on for your security and maybe you will have to resort to paramilitary organizations like Hamas or Hezbollah to defend your interests. So, where does this all leave us? It may seem pessimistic; it is. But where does it all leave us? It may be interesting to note here that the international environment is not helpful either. The era of uni-polarity, American uni-polarity is gone. We had the bipolar system, we had the uni-polar system and we hope that somehow we’ll move into a multi-polar system, but as it looks to me, we are moving into a non-polar system. What do I mean by this? I mean that you will have many diffused centers of power. And these centers of power need not be states only but international organizations, OPEC, regional organizations, Organization of Arab Unity, Organization of African Unity, Arab League maybe if it’s reorganized, European Union as a regional organization, NGOs, Human Rights Watch exercise influence using mass media and other ways to get their points across and influence decision-making at an international level. And does this mean that the United States is not the most powerful country in the world? It is the most powerful country in the world. And it will remain for some time because no challenger seems to be arising on the horizon. Why? China is a wealthy country but it will need all its 124 sources to deal with the population and the demands of the population that is arising. The European Union does not have a unified fashion in foreign policy; it cannot become a challenger to the United States. Japan lacks the political culture to take the role of a great power. Russia is still groping around with an agricultural economy before moving into a super power economy. So, there are no challenges. But this also means that however strong the United States is, it cannot carry the load of imposing peace on the world. Why? Because the organizations that I mentioned – NGOs, OPEC, even corporate organizations, BP, Shell and what have you and of course within the Greek environment Siemens – are growing just like the states; they have stability, they have organization, they have growth, they have power and they are there to play an important role in decision-making. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan has overextended American power. The American power today cannot fight on another front. And not only that but what the 11th of September has taught us is that you cannot measure military power with military spending. The people, the terrorist group that attacked in New York did not need billions of dollars. The estimates I read at that time is 500.000 dollars; this is all they needed to carry this much damage. So, sophisticated weapons are not enough to solve your problems. So, today we are dealing with a very loose situation that needs to be addressed. And because we have some of NATO people in the room maybe I should say a few words about NATO and it’s all. Now, the lessons learnt from September 11th suggest that none of today’s conflicts can be mastered by military means alone. I think NATO has learnt this. But at this stage NATO means are solely military. So, what you need is a future strategy that will have to include the development and application of other means. It should seek to prevent 125 conflicts by eliminating the reasons for these conflicts. Obviously this needs to be done by applying primarily non-military means in a pro-active not defensive way. The new strategy that NATO will have to adopt will have to apply escalation and de-escalation of power n a flexible manner and avail itself of all instruments of politics and power – soft and hard politics. It has to use a modular approach to alliances by integrating the capabilities of different international organizations as well as countries that are not members of NATO. Given that military means no longer suffice, NATO must find ways to avail itself of the instruments and resources that other international organizations have at their disposal. To this end cooperation between NATO and the European Union in particular must be improved. And the UN must also continue to play an important role since it is the only body that can legalize interventions – be they military or non-military. In other words NATO has to move away from a purely military role and will have to deal with the world that has many poles, many forms of influence - be they economic, social or otherwise - in order to prevent conflict which is an easier way than solving once the conflict breaks out. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Back to agenda 126 127 Paper Crisis Management International Conference ATHENA ΄08 Athens, 2-5 July 2008 Cyprus and the Changing Security Environment of the Near East By Christos Iacovou Cyprus Research Center This analysis looks at certain on-going developments in the Near East that are likely to endure and that will influence the course of Cyprus’ security environment in the first half of the 21st century. Such developments include demographic explosion and struggles over resources. In the last half of the twentieth century, Near East was a region of interstate wars and internal upheaval. Now, in the first decade of the twenty-first century, what can we say about the future of the Near East? Will it continue to be a region of war and violence? Demographic Explosion In the 21st century, within the Near East, which is largely Muslim, demography is likely to cause one of history's great transformations. In 1980 Muslims constituted perhaps 18 percent of the world's population. By the end of the first quarter of the 21st century, they are expected to constitute more than 30 percent. In the Middle East itself, this rapid rate of growth is expected to continue. Thus, Egypt is expected to climb from a population level of less than 74 million people today to nearly 120 million by the middle of this century. Saudi Arabia is expected to nearly triple in size from 23 million to 61 million. 128 Syria will become a major demographic power with nearly 50 million people by 2050. Next door, Iran will swell to more than 150 million people, or larger than Russia today. These are major demographic shifts that are certain to alter the history of the region. In many Western countries, people tend to equate the Middle East with political violence. For this reason it is instructive to look at the changing demographic picture of Muslim states as a whole. In many of these states a distinguishing feature of the population has been the swelling numbers of young people, who in their impatience, place severe demands on any political system. Over the past three decades, those Muslim countries in which the group of persons between 15 and 24 years of age constituted roughly 20 percent of the total population, or more, included such countries as Bosnia and Iran in the 1970s, Albania, Syria and Turkey in the 1980s, and Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, and Jordan in the 1990s. Is it an accident then that some of the most violent societies in the world in the last several years have been Albania, Algeria, Bosnia, Iran, and Turkey? Can we explain this violence by bad leadership alone, or was there a degree of demographic pressure that no government could handle effectively whether the state was to be found in the Middle East or in Europe? Struggle over Resources Meanwhile, another path to influence and power has opened up. Developments in China during the last two decades have shown that governments can acquire great influence not through external expansion but through internal development. This powerful example will pose an awkward challenge to Near Eastern states in the coming century. The Near East remains one of the few areas of the world where the struggle over resources-oil and water-continues, and where, therefore, war still pays. It also remains one of the few areas of the world where leaders believe they will gain wealth and influence through war rather than internal development. 129 In the Middle East, it will still be true that war will pay in a way that it will not in most other regions. Victory may bring land that offers more resources-either water or oil. Had Iraq won the Gulf War, it would have had more oil. According to the Department of Energy, world oil consumption is expected to increase from 77.8 million barrels a day (mbd) in 1995 to 104.6 mbd in 2015. The Gulf countries will have to nearly double their production, or the increase in demand will not be met. Much of the new demand will come from Asia, which will almost certainly take a much greater interest in the affairs of the Gulf in the future than it has in the past. China's oil requirements are expected to more than double between 1995 and 2015. Where will China secure that oil? In the case of Japan, which is dependent on Middle East oil, Tokyo has been content to see the United States guard the oil lanes. China is unlikely to be satisfied with American guardianship. That is undoubtedly why it is developing a blue water navy. In the next century, one can expect conflicts between the United States and China over the Near East. As early as the 1980s, intelligence experts within the US government began identifying areas in the world where conflict might break out over the issue of water. Most of these were in the Near East. Israel is estimated to be currently using its water resources at roughly 20 percent beyond their natural replenishment rate, and Israel's population is expected to increase by three million people by 2050. Jordan, with a scarcity of water already, expects its population to grow from 6.4 million in 2000 to nearly 17 million in 2050. Oil is one of the few resources left over which nations lacking it may fight. Water is perhaps the only resource over which any country facing severe shortages will fight. 130 Here the conjuncture of the Near East's population growth and its largely desert climate suggests a very turbulent future. In the 21st century, most of the states of the Near East will face, some challenges that others do not. However, they may not be content merely to accept their fate. We have to hope that they will not. We must hope that they will press for reform. In that case, neighbouring states, and especially the European Union should help them. It is in no one's interest for this great region to remain a cauldron of discontent. It is the right moment for the EU to rethink its Europemediaterranean Policy. Back to agenda 131 “Global Terrorism and South-Eastern Mediterranean Intelligence Cooperation” Dr Nomikos Ioannis, Director of Research Institute of European and American Studies (R.I.E.A.S.) Thank you very much, Mr Chairman. It’s my pleasure to be here with you to such a distinguished conference. Ladies and Gentlemen, the era of the Cold War was characterized by a high degree of uncertainty in the international system regarding the main actors and the basic security interests. Each of the major powers could be counted upon to act according to its survival interests and to influence its moral allies accordingly. As the world is slowly coming to terms with the changes in the international system brought about by the demise of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, early intrusion of the age of peace dissipate in the face of numerous conflicts and upheaval in many parts of the globe. The Cold War realization comes back, that despite extensive debate, the 9/11 terrorist act in New York in the United States as well as on March 11th 2003 in Spain and 7th July 2005 in the United Kingdom by Al-Qaeda proved that the Western World failed to develop any new conflict prevention mechanism in the post-Cold War period. The reliance of the Mediterranean, insecurity and intelligence which is based and growing in role in the strategic calculus of the United States, the European Union member-states and the Middle East states, the combination of internal political change and the continuing effects of the loss of the Cold War will have significant consequences for the strategic environment around the South-Eastern Mediterranean region. 132 The environment in the South is less benign with multiple choice of insecurity. Society across the Southern and Eastern Mediterranean shores are experiencing rapid and uneven economic change. Virtually all of these societies face political challenges capable of altering the longer term internal and foreign policy orientation. For the foreseeable future, security agenda in the Southern Mediterranean will be driven to a considerable extent by internal security concerns. NATO will have a stake in the politico-military consequences of this risk that no South dialogue can contribute to understand it and ameliorate them. Ladies and Gentlemen, in the past several Mediterranean intelligence airwars have taken place among the states in the region by exchanging intelligence information in order to confront the increase of terrorist acts in their home-states. Allow me to describe you the most important intelligence networks such as the Trident intelligence network, the Kilowatt and Megaton intelligence network, the Trevi group and the Brener club. What is the Trident intelligence network? The Trident intelligence network was initiated in 1958 by the intelligence services of Israel, Turkey and Iran and was later joined by Ethiopia. Although not formally a European group, practically each of the Trident members were supported by European and American intelligence services which were the driving force behind each operation. The aim of the Trident intelligence network was to provide intelligence cooperation against the rising tide of Arab nationalism. The Trident network was also supported by the French intelligence services which at the time were embroiled in the civil war in Algeria since Algerian rebels were supplied and trained by Egypt and other Arab states. 133 Although its level of intensity fluctuated, intelligence cooperation under Trident intelligence network was maintained until the 1979 revolution in Iran and made a distinct contribution towards close security relations between the participating countries in the Eastern Mediterranean. The second intelligence networks were the Kilowatt and Megaton networks. The war against international terrorism in the 1970s brought about two more institutionalized multilateral cooperation frameworks. The Kilowatt, as I said, and the Megaton intelligence network. Kilowatt was a code name for the multilateral cooperation effort among European and Mediterranean states aiming at expanding the exchange of information in the fight against international terrorism. In addition, Kilowatt was the first truly European intelligence forum comprised of representatives from intelligence services from the United Kingdom, France, West Germany, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Ireland, Norway and Israel. Kilowatt intelligence main purpose was to provide an exchange of information on the activities of international terrorism. Kilowatt was also an effective tool in reducing the level of terrorist activities in Western Europe in the late 1970s. Furthermore, Megaton intelligence network was sponsored by French intelligence services and aimed mainly at countering the threat of Islamic Algerian terrorism in the European mainland, activities that escalated in the early 1990s. The third intelligence network is the Brener group which was formed in the 1970s as a forum for the security services of six European memberstates. Today, it includes all 27 European member-states. The Brener group served as the principal point of contact for the head of national security services who meet regularly under its auspices. 134 The most important point - and here I would like to have your attention – about the Brener group is that the Brener group has established working groups on terrorism and organized crime, and in 2001 it created the counter-terrorist group, in which the European Union member-states as well as the United States produce common threat assessment that are shared among the member-states and with some Union committees. Recently efforts to prevent and defend against terrorist actions in the Mediterranean fall into two main areas. Number one: focus on intelligence sharing and surveillance to detect preparation. As we all know in this room, international terrorism cannot be confronted by unilateral actions; but only with international intelligence sharing. This is something the terrorists know. Unilateral actions do not lead anywhere. If we don’t understand how important it is to adapt and understand international intelligence sharing, we have lost the game on international terrorism. Fortunately, NATO has engaged in both activities primarily through the operation "Active Endeavor" which expanded to cover the entire Mediterranean in 2003. NATO operation "Active Endeavor" mission has devoted much attention to expanding its intelligence sharing activities including efforts to develop a network for tracking merchant shipping throughout the Mediterranean and improving means to share this intelligence with relevant governments. This should assist to address not only terrorist concern but also the necessary efforts to prevent drug smuggling and of course the most, you know, serious threats in the future about the spread of weapons of mass destruction. The United States values the operation “Active Endeavor” because it facilitates intelligence sharing and because it is an alliance-wide activity. 135 Operation “Active Endeavor” is NATO's most prominent defense and intelligence activity and efforts to include more Mediterranean countries and designs also to improve intelligence sharing and cooperation among non-NATO members within the alliance. Ladies and Gentlemen, finally, it was not until the Madrid attacks in March 2004 which deeply shocked the Europeans and served as a terrible reminder of the threat posed by terrorism that, much like its American counterpart, the European approach to understanding Islamic terrorism ascribe not to a failure of intelligence or even imagination but a failure of education. I would like to complete my analysis with a statement made by Richard Folkerat, former advisor of USA homeland security and today he is also an analyst at the Brooke Institution in Washington D.C. who stated: "There is no question that for Al-Qaeda and its affiliates, deploying another operative team into the United States is a more daunting proposition than deploying one into continental Europe.” It has been clear in the last three years that Europe is a more active terrorist environment than is the United States. Finally, as illustrated by Al-Qaeda parallel expansion in both, Europe, the United States, the Middle East and of course North Africa, Al-Qaeda’s strategy is to exploit democratic loopholes in Europe and to target weak states around the world. Last but not least, a regional intelligence cooperation in the Southern Mediterranean intelligence community including the volatile North Africa and the Balkan states, as I emphasized in my analysis, will be more than necessary in order to prevent prospective Islamic terrorist acts in the 21st century. Thank you very much for your patience. Back to agenda 136 137 Q&A Representative from Libya: Thank you very much for your interesting presentation. Unless the Palestinian issue is solved in a fair way, the Middle East will not enjoy peace and stability. The Arabs offered a peace initiative called “el Saudi initiative” a few years ago at the Arab League summit in Lebanon asking for an end of Israel occupation of Arab lands and returning of refugees. And in return a full relation normalization with Israel. In fact they asked for the implementation of UN resolutions. But Israel ignored the initiative. The two-state solution which is on the table nowadays is difficult to be realized because there are some issues on which it is difficult to reach a compromise, for example Jerusalem and refugees issues. If a two-state solution is almost impossible to be realized why doesn’t the international community think of the other solution? A solution proposed by my country, by the leader Kadhafi; a solution of one state for the two nations. A democratic state with the constitution there to guarantee the rights of the two nations and doesn’t allow the domination of one nation over the other. Arab countries have no problems with the Jews. The Jews lived in peace in Arab countries in the past. And even today there are a lot of Jewish people living in some Arab countries. Regardless of what is going on in Palestine nowadays. My question is don’t you think that one state for the two nations is more realizable and realistic? Thank you. (The question is for all of you) Iranian Defence Attachee: I have a question for Dr Koutsis about his presentation. First, I must say thank you for a good presentation and then I have a question about your measure about dividing the countries in the Middle East in two groups, about the radicalism and moderate countries and groups. What is your opinion abut the problem in the Middle East that you gave us this assessment about the groups and countries? Do you think that the problem in the Middle East in the recognition of the Zionist regime as a 138 state or not is the occupation of territories or the Palestinian refugees or other things? Thank you very much. Mr Harris Tambakakis: I want to thank all four speakers for their excellent presentations. My name is Harris Tambakakis, I work with the Hellenic National Defense General Staff. I have a question for all of you gentlemen regarding the unresolved Palestinian conflict with Israel. My question is how interrelated and how interdependent this issue is with the ongoing war in Iraq and Afghanistan? And how does the situation in Palestine affect the operations in Afghanistan and Iraq? Thank you. Dr Koutsis: Yes, well I’ll try and answer all three questions in one go. I am not a believer of the Bush administration view that the Palestinian is not at the cracks of the Middle East crisis. I think that the Palestinian issue is the most important issue that is having all this ripple effect in the area. I also do not share the Bush administration’s view that first you impose democracy and then you resolve the Palestinian issue because then you deal with democratic governments who sign agreements and what have you. I embrace the European point of view that first you have to solve the Palestinian issue so that you can have political stability, and only when you have political stability, can you have peace. So, I believe that the Palestinian issue is the most important issue in the Middle East. Its solution is the first condition for settlement of peace in the Middle East. I do not subscribe to the idea of a one-state, even a bi-national state in Palestine. I think that the problems it would generate in terms of cultural adjustments and other adjustments are far greater than the problems that would be faced by creating a two-state solution. I think that the Saudi initiative that was drawn up in 2002 in Beirut and which was reconfirmed about a year or two ago is the best proposal on the table. It conforms to international law by implementing resolutions of the Security Council. It 139 agrees to a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders with minor adjustments and normalization of relations between Israel and all Arab states. So, I think that is the way to go. The problem is not that we don’t have a solution. We still don’t have a government in Washington that believes in this solution. And we still don’t have the proper political environment both in Israel and the Palestinian camp which will go ahead and accept this solution. So, the solution is there and what is missing is the will to put it into effect. Does the Palestinian issue influence the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? If you mean is it one of the reasons for going to war against Iraq, I would say not really. I think that the war in Iraq was there on the table long before George W. Bush took the oath of office. All those who have read the archives and the documents of the New American Century will find in there enough documents before 2001 to show that it was the policy of the neo-cons to go to war against Iraq. So, I don’t think the Palestinian issue influenced the decision to go to war there. It may have had behind it the philosophy that if we weaken the Eastern front, then maybe it will be easier for us to have a peace treaty which will be to the liking of Israel. But that’s another issue. It was the philosophy that we establish in the Middle East democracies and then with these democracies we can deal. This philosophy has gone bankrupt and I don’t think they will come back with it again. Is the war in Iraq influencing the Palestinian issue? In my view, yes. Because let’s not have any illusions. American forces will stay in Iraq for many, many decades to come. And so long as they are there, there's going to be insecurity for Iran, and Iran is going to be taking all the necessary steps to make the people both in Iraq and in Israel feel uncomfortable. So the Iraq issue is influencing the settlement of the Palestinian issue. Thank you very much. 140 Professor Nachmani: Yes, thank you. Concerning… (by the way we have a name; we are not called the Zionist entity or the Zionist regime). Second, whether a two-state solution would work. A two-state solution has been offered and tried and attempted since the early 1920s by the British, during the 1930s, during the 1940s and all forces and elements and bodies got to the conclusion that no united state would be able to be created in Palestine at that very time. A united bi-national state would not be able to be created. It wouldn’t be a viable state, conflicting forces would work one against the other, etc. And I’m not sure that a one-state Isratine (Israel and Palestine) would survive more than a very short time. You know ethnically and nationally living nowadays in probably the peak times of nationalism and ethnicity. Take Yugoslavia, one state turned into seven or eight independent states so the combination now between ethnicity and nationalism i.e. that every ethnic group would like to have its own state. I don't understand why not have this solution either to the Israelis or to the Palestinians. One thing. Now, concerning a solution to the Palestinian problem, I’m the last person that can offer this audience how to solve the Palestinian problem or the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. But I think that Professor Koutsis failed to mention two points that has something to do with a solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. One of the major lessons taken from the war of 2006 in Lebanon was that probably territorial question is not the whole conflict between us and our neighbors. The UN more than once probably three times confirmed that Israel withdrew up to the last centimeter from the border, from what it held within Lebanon. Israel withdrew in 2005 from the Gaza Strip. Now, I am the last person not to see that this is only part to the solution to the Palestinian problem, etc. But I just want to ask one question; for the first time in their history in 141 2005 the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are independent. Neither under the Ottomans, nor under the British nor under the Egyptians nor under the Jordanians or under the Israelis. For the first time in their history they are independent. Now, imagine that in 2005 another scenario would have been built in the Gaza Strip. That is to say a peaceful place - I'm not referring and I’m not ignoring that there are also other sides to this question - but a peaceful place that would open the borders to Israelis to eat at the restaurants along the Gaza seashore, there would be economic relations, that would encourage a lot of Israelis to continue and to do something in the West Bank. Instead the same thing happened in the Gaza Strip and in Lebanon. That is to say, every area and every region that we withdraw from is becoming a platform against you. Now, every side has its own right and correct and justified excuses and justifications and explanations. No doubt about it. I am an academic and I’m the last person not to see the other side and how justified are the interests of the other side. I’m just saying imagine that in 2005 another scenario would have been built in the Gaza Strip. That’s all thank you. Dr Koutsis: May I make one clarification? This is what I mentioned before about the two schools of thought. One is arguing that security is above peace and the other school is arguing that peace comes first and then security. I am a follower of the famous Yitzhak Rabin who decided that for the sake of Israel to exist it has to withdraw from the occupied territories. But this withdrawal should not be unilateral and that was the mistake with Gaza. It should be a withdrawal based on a negotiated settlement. There would be no problem imposing a demilitarized zone on the Palestinian territories for 50 years like we did with Austria after the World War II. There would be no problem supervising and monitoring the military base of this territory. But to say that Gaza was independent, I think is stretching it too much. I would put it differently: Why don’t we give Gaza the status that 142 Israel has and give Israel the status that Gaza has? And then you can decide who is independent and who is not. Back to agenda 143 Session: “International Organizations and Crisis Management” Moderator, Mr Andreas Kintis, Expert Counselor, Hellenic Ministry of Foreign Affairs This specific session is going to focus on crisis management and International Organizations namely the European Union, NATO and the OSCE. Allow me to try to set the scene for our discussions. In my view the transatlantic security agenda is defined by four specific features: First of all, the conduct of new wars. There’s a shift in patterns of warfare from international wars to internal conflicts that nevertheless have significant regional and international consequences. Second feature is proliferation. There is a prospect that a growing range of actors and potentially non-state actors, in particular terrorist groups may obtain nuclear, biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction. Third specific feature is the rise of so-called new terrorism. The emergence of radical terrorist groups engaged in a global struggle willing to use violence on a scale not seen previously have pushed terrorism to the top of the transatlantic security agenda. The fourth and final feature is an increasing recognition that non-military problems such as poverty, economic instability, global warming, mass population movements, transnational crime and the protection of critical economic and technological infrastructures pose central challenges to security and therefore cannot be separated from the more traditional security problems of warfare and military security. 144 In my opinion while there is a loose consensus that the combination of new wars, proliferation, terrorism and soft security constitute a new transatlantic security agenda, there is little international agreement on the priority and hierarchy that should be attached to different crises and even less on how we should respond to and deal with these crises. Typically pro-active crisis management activities include forecasting potential crises and planning how to deal with them. Crisis management in the face of an evolving crisis includes identifying the real nature of the crisis, intervening to minimize damage and recovering from the crisis. Hopefully, international organizations have time and resources to complete a crisis management plan before they experience a crisis. To talk to us about whether this is the case with respect to the European Union, NATO, the OSCE, we have a group of distinguished speakers, the first of whom is going to be Lt Gen. James Soligan. Gen. Soligan is the Deputy Chief of Staff of Transformation and he acts as the Supreme Allied Commander Transformation Director for guidance and coordination of the activities of his Directorate Transformation. Before I give the floor to Gen. Soligan, let me remind our speakers that their allotted time is 1520 minutes. Gen. Soligan, you have the floor. Back to agenda 145 “Crisis Management and lessons learned form Afghanistan” Lt Gen Karl W. Eikenberry, Deputy Chairman of the NATO Military Committee Well, first I’d like to thank the Hellenic Ministry of Defense and the National Defense General Staff for the invitation to participate in “Athena '08” and I wanted to congratulate the organizers for this year having chosen a very important topic that is of great relevance to all the nations represented here and to the international organizations and the bodies that are here – NATO, EU, UN and so forth. I think that the way we’ve got the speakers being sequenced this morning actually worked out quite well whether by design or by accident that with James Soligan starting off and talking about the future and Tony following up and talking about planning and then we had to excellent presentations on NATO and the EU about training and exercising and then I’m following on or cleaning up here. I’m talking about a very specific kind of on-going operation, Afghanistan, and I was asked to talk about lessons learned which I’ll do. What I’d like to do is talk in three parts here very briefly. The first two parts to give you a bit of context in stock-taking. How is NATO doing inside of Afghanistan with our mission, where are the challenges that we are facing and then I’ll get to the third part about some lessons learned that we might draw at this point in time and looking ahead at what remains to be done. First of all, in terms of accomplishments, it's important to remember with NATO inside of Afghanistan today of what is the baseline for operations there. Our baseline of operations for Afghanistan is that we went in early, we went in 2003 under UN mandate and at that point in time had a very Power Point presentation available. Click here 146 limited mission which was to provide security around the Kabul area, assume the UN mission of international security assistance force; but even at that point in time in 2003 as we went to Afghanistan, as Tony had pointed out in his remarks, this was the first time that NATO had ever in its history really been out of its sector – well, we can say that in the mid ‘90s when it went into the Balkans it was out of area but now in Afghanistan in 2003 the alliance for the first time in its history started operating at what we would call strategic distance, thousands of kilometers away from Europe, in a very harsh environment, truly an expeditionary kind of operation. Not only that – that was a huge shift for the alliance in 2003 – but then in very rapid order we went as an alliance from UN mission Kabul area to UN mission all of Afghanistan in 2004; in the fall we went North. In 2005, in the spring we went to the West. In 2006, in the summer we went south. In 2006, in the fall we went east. Very rapid transition. It wouldn’t be a rapid transition if it were – let’s say – the US led coalition that had tried to perform this and expand the mission, but for the NATO alliance at 26, that was a remarkably rapid transition that we went through. Now with that then, what accomplishments can we say that we’ve had? What are we bringing to bear inside of Afghanistan? Let me point to five very quickly. First of all, there is no question that NATO again under UN mandate is providing a framework for all security operations to take place, ours and increasingly the Afghan national security forces but more importantly a framework for the government of Afghanistan to slowly continue to extend its grip throughout the entire country and then thirdly under that framework for reconstruction and development operations to take place. And that being Afghan and very importantly assisted by various NGOs, assisted by international organizations. 147 Today now we have over 50.000 NATO forces on the ground and we provide a coherent framework for these various tasks to be accomplished. The second point is with regard to the presence that NATO provides for international military forces and the presence we provide then for the building of Afghan national security forces. Let me give one quick example of the expansion of the presence of NATO forces on the ground in a relatively short period of time. If we look at this area of Afghanistan that would be Hellman province – in the 2005-2006 period of time, before NATO had expanded into Southern Afghanistan and in that province, one of the most troubled provinces in Afghanistan today, up until that time when NATO expanded we had approximately 150 US special forces and US civil-military experts operating in that entire province. Today we have a very capable British-led task force which includes Danish forces, other NATO forces, all inside of NATO Hellman province numbers over 500. So, presence has increased dramatically with NATO’s expansion of the mission inside of Afghanistan. Third point would be with reconstruction and development. James Soligan, Tony have both mentioned the comprehensive approach. Well, part of the comprehensive approach is delivering on non-military aspects of development in these conflict zones and what you find with NATO at 26 with 14 partner countries is that any commander on the ground in Afghanistan will quickly size up the situation in the area that he or she is deployed and will say that one of the best weapons that they can have made available to them is non-military reconstruction and development funding. And so we’re finding non-militaries of the 26 plus 14 partners going back to their ministries of defense and having dialogues with development organizations. What the alliance represents is 26 pretty wealthy countries and we’ve got pretty wealthy partners with us so it’s a 148 way then of encouraging more investment in Afghanistan in the nonmilitary domain, which has been very helpful. The fourth point has to do with the image war. We are in Afghanistan under a UN mandate, we are a real military alliance, it’s not a coalition of the willing, it’s a military alliance. I point out that of the 26 countries of the alliance one is a predominantly Muslim country. Next year we expect to have the accession of yet another country predominantly Muslim, Albania, and we have within our 14 partner countries several other predominantly Muslim countries. Inside of Afghanistan we are fighting an image war against a global network, an extremist, violent, terrorist grouping of Islamist global Jihadists and the fact that we have a UN mandated international security force with NATO leading that international security force helps us tremendously in that image war that we fight. The fifth and final point and I’ll come back again to what Jim talked about the futures that we face collectively, certainly what NATO faces, what all of our nations face, the uncertainty of our future as we look ahead, the capabilities that we're developing, the experiences that we're developing inside of Afghanistan as an alliance with our partners. I think you can make an argument that not only do we need to move on and continue to get better inside of Afghanistan in order to prevail, but those same set up capabilities that we develop over time will almost certainly serve each of our nations well, and the alliance well as we look to the uncertain futures. The same kind of capabilities that are applicable to prevailing inside of Afghanistan more than likely are going to be relevant to other conflicts that we may face in the future. Now some talk about challenges and here are very briefly three of them. First of all, all of the people in this audience are aware that we have sets of requirements that are very much needed in Afghanistan. Here I’ll talk 149 more narrowly about military requirements that are needed inside of Afghanistan that were not fulfilling. I’ll come back to this in a moment when I talk about lessons learned. The second is that various nations who are committing troops, forces to Afghanistan are placing operational restrictions on those forces that are then diminishing the effectiveness of the forces that are collectively on the ground. This is something that nations need to continue to address. Nations and NATO have done better over the last several years in starting to reduce the amount of restrictions that are being placed by capitals on forces that are being sent but we’ve not come far enough along yet. And third and finally is that the alliance is self-limiting itself in terms of the array of admissions that it’s willing to assign to its forces and to its force on the ground inside of Afghanistan. Let me give you an example. We have very correctly for the NATO force in Afghanistan given them explicitly the mission, the lead mission of helping to train and build the Afghan national army. The same guidance has not been provided to the NATO force for the building of the police. That’s a self-limitation for the forces on the ground that I think are at odds with really what common sense would tell you is needed in order to prevail. And I will come back to this as well when I talk about lessons learned. Let me talk about the lessons learned and I have seven of them. I’ll try to be brief and then perhaps during questions and answers if you’d like to get into any of these, we certainly can. With regard to the lessons learned, first of all, and this comes back to the presentation that was given on NATO crisis management exercises, something that was -I’ll talk about here- that was addressed during crisis management exercises that we most recently had at NATO headquarters that evident from Afghanistan is the need to think through as political authorities look at a particular emerging crisis and make a decision and try to make a 150 determination then whether to launch mobilized forces and capability and to actually take on a particular mission to deal with the crisis is the need to interactively iteratively sit with the military authorities to develop a concept, develop what our goals and objectives, develop then the necessary capabilities and ways and means that we’re going to move forward in order to realize our goals and objectives very importantly to ensure before we commit that we are going to be able to generate and mobilize sufficient capability in order to perform the mission. That’s a very important piece right now that is still missing within the NATO alliance. We can commit to a mission but we do not have the guarantee that we are necessarily going to be able to generate sufficient capacity. You have two courses of action if you cannot develop sufficient capacity then, in order to move forward you are either going to have to change your goals and objectives -lower them- you’ll have to change your concept or you’re going to have to make a decision or not at the end of the day to mount that particular operation. The second lesson learned form Afghanistan would be in terms of funding. NATO as a military alliance has a funding principle in which we use common funding for infrastructure and headquarters, and then we use what we say as the principle of cost “will lie where they fall” for operations. Now, during the Cold War era that might have been a very good concept, but as Tony has talked about, an alliance that’s moving now towards more continuing operations – we’re inside of Kosovo today, we’re inside of Afghanistan today and we’re going to be there for a good many years. Is the concept that we’re using right now, that cost will lie where they fall for operations, does that really make sense? Nations are being penalized in that sense for offering more to commit to on-going operations whereas the infrastructure of NATO is not being used for the on-going operations. So, do we need to have an open debate within the alliance on this matter of how do we fund our operations. 151 The third point would be with terms of building security forces. You know that critical to success in Afghanistan of course is the building of robust capable Afghan national security forces. We need to ensure that as an alliance and I think internationally this is equally applicable to the European Union, to the United Nations, to any body that takes on lead for what we would traditionally call security assistance – helping to build security forces. We need to make sure that, as we say in English, the aperture is sufficiently wide. Traditionally each of our militaries is comfortable with the idea of building army forces, of building armed forces; what we are not capable of doing necessarily and well-suited for is building police forces, is building comprehensive intelligence architectures within countries, is building comprehensive national security systems within countries. I would argue for a country like Afghanistan which has in certain parts of the country is fighting its own insurgency, other parts of the country is still very much trying to extend the control of the government into far reaches and is still plagued by its inability then to move against local power-brokers. The first line of defense, the first capability is really the police capability that’s needed. I can also argue that in terms of building a security architecture for a country, I mentioned intelligence systems are important, but we need to think vertically, we need to think horizontally as we build security forces. Clearly a lesson learned inside of Afghanistan today. The fourth would be in the area of what we call security sector reform. Everyone here is familiar with the term “security sector reform”. Going from talking about security forces, now taking a bit of a wider perspective: Security Sector Reform, let me take the example of the police. I said police are critical, but in the absence of the police being built within a wider rule of law framework, that endeavor is also doomed to failure. A good police force not nested within a justice system will only be a temporary security force that will not be sustainable unless they’re nested within a larger judicial framework. The Americans have got an expression 152 about what we call the three Cs of a justice system: we say cops, which is our nickname for police, correctional institutes, prisons, and courts. Those three, then sitting on a foundation of accountable transparent government that makes a justice system; not the police by itself. But then how do we as a NATO military alliance or how does any military force that goes into a conflict zone like Afghanistan then have the wherewithal to put together a rule of law system. They will not do it by themselves which gets us to the fifth point about the comprehensive approach. This has been spoken about by all of our panel members today, so I won’t dwell on the comprehensive approach. But from a military perspective one way of looking at the comprehensive approach and trying to think through what is the military trying to accomplish there is that we have three lines that all of us are moving upon as we go into a conflict zone like Afghanistan. You have a security line, very much military; you have a governance rule of law line; and you have economic reconstruction and development line. How do you pull all three of these together? That’s the comprehensive approach. From a military perspective, what we’re seeking then is to try and find ways to harness our military power and harmonize our military power in ways then that achieve synergy with those other two lines. I would say that inside of Afghanistan what we found is that in many places of Afghanistan at the local level, provincial level – let’s say, district level with various degrees of success we’ve had some pretty good outcomes on the comprehensive approach, the provincial reconstruction teams innovation. Sometimes outcomes very dependent upon a particular national approach within a provincial reconstruction team in Afghanistan, how well does the aid team, the ministry of Foreign Affairs team, the police team, the military team come together. But in general we’ve seen pretty good results at the retail level. 153 What I would argue is what our Gen. John Craddock has said before “it’s more at the wholesale level.” That is at the Afghan national level and truly at the international level that we need the most work to be done right now. The development of doctoring – once again Jim’s talked about that – very importantly at the international level and the national level of capability. We can talk about harmonizing and harnessing military power to support the other arms but I would tell you quite frankly, in certain areas especially in the rule of law governance programs that sometimes the military is accused of not coordinating. Many times the military will look around and ask the question “who to coordinate with”, “where are our partners for rule of law?”, “where are our partners for the development of robust national judicial systems?” This is very much a question of national capabilities; this is very much a question of international organization capabilities. The sixth point: regional dimension. I’ll be brief here. When we talk about Afghanistan, clearly success in Afghanistan is going to be dependent upon regional outcomes. It’s very dependent right now on developments in the security environment in Pakistan. It has to do with the regional outcomes around Afghanistan’s border. So in lessons learned, as now NATO has moved forward inside of Afghanistan, and we’re working in an environment in which outcomes are in part going to be dependent upon regional setting, what are the diplomatic ways and means that an alliance has collectively to work through these various regional issues? And seven and finally, and I’ll stop here, has to do with strategic communications and lessons learned. What I would tell you here is that we have two challenges with the NATO military alliance very aware of these challenges right now trying to deal with them. One is in terms of capabilities. this is a national problems where surprisingly we talk about our inability as an alliance to still effectively communicate in the international media and you look then within the 26 countries of NATO and only about five or six of these countries of NATO have formal public 154 affairs training programs for their military officers, for their military personnel. We’ve had a very good innovation recently in NATO, where we finally developed a video capability that’s starting to pay dividends now inside of Kabul. I’m giving specific examples right now. Of course, we’ve got 100 different kinds of capabilities that we need to develop over the longer term. Those must be addressed in a serious way and then secondly with regard to strategic communications is the question of doctrine within strategic communications. Each nation has very different doctrines, very different concerns, very different legacies, then inform those concerns with regard to strategic communications, but for NATO an operation in Afghanistan unprecedented in terms of the challenges of strategic communications and the need for NATO to continue to develop doctrine. You know, on this final point about strategic communications, I would highlight though this has been very high and very prominent on the NATO agenda. There’s a recognition of the problem, as indeed within all of these areas. There’s recognition of challenges that we’re facing but in particular in strategic communications some work has been done, there’s been some developments, but frankly again we have a long way to go. With that I’ll conclude my remarks then. Back to agenda 155 “Military Diplomacy in the 21st century, multiple future threats and crises” Lt Gen. James Soligan, Deputy Chief of Staff/ SACT As all of us know, most of the focus has been really on day to day business in Afghanistan. In ACT and the NATO we have been looking to the future beyond Afghanistan and trying to assess what are the potential challenges we have for the future, how does the world change, what does that mean. For a number of months we have been doing work and what I’m going to show you today is a work in progress; it is not an answer; it is not saying “this is where ACT is” – as a matter of fact, next week the military committee will be coming down and will be building on this work that you see here and as I take you through this, I have adapted the work that has been going on inside ACT with work that has been going on amongst about 20 or 30 other groups of international actors, military, non-military, civil. So, we have a great body of work and the goal here was to determine inside our body of work what does the future hold as a threat to the security of the population, both military and non-military – some of the points that I just brought out. Secondly, what does that mean from a consequence perspective? What are the likely impacts of those threats? And then third what does that mean for NATO? What kinds of capability should we develop in the future? And so as we look at this, we have seen that, as all of us know, one of the core principles of NATO is conflict prevention and crisis management. And so as we look at this world as it's continuing to evolve faster than we have seen in the past we have come to this process that we are calling multiple futures. Power Point presentation available. Click here. 156 I’ll walk you through a little bit of our process and some of our insights and secondly the main factor is represented inside this room and that is that there is no one actor in that space that has a solution to these problems and collectively we all need to work together to be able to address both conflict prevention and crisis management. As you know there have been over time a number of changes moving from agricultural revolution to the industrial revolution and as we move into the information revolution, I think all of us should recognize that we are riding this current of a new way that the world operates. And just as it would be futile to resist the industrial revolution, my view personally, is that it would be futile to resist the information revolution and the impacts that it will have across society and across the way that impacts all the business that we do. And the result of that largely is shown here by the fact that you see that things have changed; the clear lines that we had at the end of the Cold War, during the Cold War, have now become blurred lines and in fact the borders of what was public before – in some cases the private sector is in what used to be state powers and state authorities in many cases have shifted over to individuals – the authorities of governments have moved out to industry and to NGOs, etc. And so there are many dynamics going on in the world. What I'm showing you are pieces of work that has been done across the British, the French - this is some piece by someone named Tom Ries who’s up in Sweden – and so we’re bringing lots of pieces together to take the best practices and the best ideas form across the Community. The impact that that has on the folks inside this room obviously is that in a globalized world what you see is things moving much faster, moving transnational in ways that are very uncomfortable for folks in organizations and nations who are used to having clear boundaries as we move through this process. 157 And so if you look at the bottom here, where we talk about transnational flows rather than only state ways of doing business, it puts a greater burden and a greater pressure on organizations like the EU and NATO in industry as they cross borders and they end up in the information age and move forward in the acceleration and migration of people across borders as we move through that process. Our Secretary General has looked at this problem and he has made this quote about the security environment as it has evolved – and then I’ll talk a little bit more about this as we go through this – “We need to be clear inside NATO both about what the implications are and what the limits are”. And so this effort is really about trying to describe and stimulate and frame the discussion for the political leaders in Brussels to be able to build a consensus within the nations on NATO’s role and the capabilities NATO needs to adapt to the changing environment. Again we’ll go through these three steps and what I’m showing you now is not finished work but work in progress and during the questions & answers we’ll take some of your inputs and actually roll those into the effort as well. This is a slide that comes from the British concept development folks, and basically what it shows you is that if you start here and look to the future there are things that everyone will say are probable to happen and then there are some elements on the edges that move out and tell you that there are some shocks like 9/11 or some other elements out there that are less predictable, less likely but are all part of shaping the future as you move through it. It’s just a graphic way of being able to show that there are some things that are more likely than others but we need to take all that into account as we look to the future and move through. 158 The work that has been ongoing has had a number of researches, you can see, from the UK to Netherlands to Germany including the EU, including partners, including non-military folks and trying to bring folks together describe what are the big drivers that are changing the way the world is moving as we go though the future. The trends as they’ve narrowed down can be categorized in a lot of different ways, as I’ve just shown you. Here are six of them in key points here from a demographic perspective as the world grows from 6.1 billion to 7.7, what you see is most of that growth is in underdeveloped areas or developing areas and a large increase in youth under 20, mostly in non-European countries, in Africa, in the Middle East and that kind of opportunity in that kind of places that are not as developed as in Europe will create expectations of those young folks. Certainly global warming, as we move through this process, the globalization creates perhaps a greater rift on the haves and have-nots, terrorism speaks for itself, the technology interestingly enough works in two directions; as it accelerates it both makes the individual far more capable of influencing things that in the past only states could do. Computer network attacks are a good example of that kind of work or the availability on the Web of finding out technology for improvised explosive devices and in some cases perhaps even weapons of mass destruction. And of course the area here of global governance is an issue that has said the states will still be powerful, but in fact the power has shifted away from states and you see transnational kinds of trends. So, a lot of this is not particularly new, there are lots of studies out there talking about how the world is changing; our impact, our objective is to sit down and say how does that impact the people in this room, the peoples, the nations in NATO and what are the potential capabilities we would need to address to do that. 159 On the left side here you see eleven kinds of security challenges that that poses and then those mapped out in some cases to where those challenges pose and when you see one, two, three of those in the same place, clearly there is much greater potential for disruption and turmoil. This is another way to look at it that probably pertains closer to the folks in this room as you would look at political, ecological and in some cases military kinds of challenges -and I’ll come back to this kind of picture a little bit later- but the basic area is they all overlap so what happens in your area for crisis management quickly flows into the other areas whether it’s ecological whether it’s migration whether it’s a technology, it has an impact across all of these different areas of security. It’s a little bit hard to see -basically the approach here is to tell you that if we look at the peaks there are certain areas that everybody agrees are real challenges, some areas like terrorism. OK? Then there are areas that there’s a broad consensus, different levels of consensus about what else could be out there and then there are these valleys, what you would call the black swans, the 9/11 that happens because perhaps people weren’t paying attention or didn’t anticipate that kind of change. But when that kind of change happens it impacts everybody in this room economically, politically, socially as we move through the process. And so the work that we’re doing now is to try to build this map. So the work that I will show you next is not an answer, but in fact are points of discussion along this map that will continue to robust and we’ll have to see in Brussels, hopefully by Christmas of this year. Our estimate is that it will be a broad framework for discussion. So from the mission perspective this is some work that was done by that Swedish individual Tom Ries again and it’s not ACT, it’s not NATO’s position, but outside independent people who are looking at the world and all the pressures and saying what kind of challenges would be out 160 there in this highly globalized world. And so, again I apologize because he uses some abbreviations up here for High Intensity Conflicts and High Intensity Conflicts and boots as you move through this, but in his briefings and his works he sees resource nations that are not fully integrated into the world in the way it is today and so you may in fact see competition over resources that would go state to state again. So I’m not saying when you look at this that this is ACT or NATO’s position but to show you what others are thinking in the kinds of areas that we would have for challenges that impact everybody in this room. Then again there’s the kind of discussion that he has that says “Ok, what does that mean from a military prospective?” and again the idea of projection and graduated work and how that impacts the political business as we move through. So, lots of implications for the military as you move through this in some areas that are politically correct to talk about, in some areas that nations with a long history look to their neighbors and still worry about article 5, and that will be part of the overall debate in trying to determine the role and the future of NATO as we move through this process. Again, some of the missions that might be out there whether they contain policing missions, security and access to resources or as the French have talked about down here, protecting the society. So, I’m showing you the array of work that’s part of that landscape, that three-dimensional landscape that we talked about looking most likely at contingency options and trying to determine what that means for the alliance. Now, in the near, mid and long-term, what we have found is that in the near term when we look at Afghanistan, we identify that we have both capabilities to do some of the missions and shortfalls in some areas, and as we’ve done our defense planning we’ve looked at about ten years and we’ve seen again some of those same kind of problems in the future whether it’s civil-military interface, whether it’s the ability to respond 161 quickly in deployed areas and sustain forces, whether it's accommodating technology. The work that we are doing out here into the long-term is to be able to project that and what we’ve noticed is that there are a couple of important issues in here, and what it really means to us is that a lot the decisions we’re making in the near-term will have impact for the next 15 or 20 years for capability purposes. If we moved back 20 years to 1988 and we ask ourselves prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall, who would have guessed that NATO would be in Kosovo in 1998 and would have been right here or in Afghanistan here.” So, if you’re in Kosovo or now you’re in Afghanistan, which ten years out and if this is where you are today, what does 20 years out here mean? But the equipment, the forces, the training, the organization we have inside NATO and inside the military has a legacy that goes along with the equipment and the people that we already have in the military and trained and that carries through and we have to use that more effectively as we move to the future. So bottom-line what this really means is that NATO needs, as we continue to look into the future, to take that full array of discussions that we have and put them out on the table. I’ve shown you some that are ACT work, I’ve shown you some that are done by the Swiss, by the French, by the UK; we are meeting with lots of different folks to gather this information, have this discussion, frame it in a way for the political folks and the military folks in Brussels to be able to reach an agreement on the challenges and what it means to NATO. The reality is that everybody in this room is going to be operating in the same space in this crisis management. There’s a continuum of the capabilities that you have that will carry to the future and of what NATO has and as we address issues in Afghanistan they need to be able to 162 carry ahead into the future challenges and that our way ahead is to continue to work on this multiple future effort, gain agreement inside Brussels and then focus on developing the capabilities we need that give you that full range of capabilities at the most probable as well as some of the dangerous kinds of challenges that face the alliance. On that note I’d like to terminate. Thank you very much. Back to agenda 163 “Civil Emergency Planning in the context of Comprehensive Approach” Major Gen. Chatzidakis Antonis, IMM NATO Thank you, Mr Chairman. Let me first convey, I’d say, a very warm congratulations to US citizens in this room for their National Day. It’s a great day for a great democracy. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, “kalimera”. As you see on the screen, I am the Director of Logistics and Resources and Armaments in the International Military Staff. During the next 15-20 minutes I will provide you with an overview of the NATO way-head on the comprehensive approach and the NATO military authorities’ role. I also intend to look briefly at civil emergency planning and how it fits into the comprehensive approach. First, let me emphasize that the comprehensive approach is not easy to define. I see two main very broad dimensions to it: an external one, concerning NATO's relationship with international actors and the other internal, focusing on coherent use of military and non-military tools to ensure efficient and effective planning and implementation of operations. Here is the outline of my presentation, which covers several areas, the new strategic concept, NATO’s comprehensive approach, effect base approach to operation and civil emergency planning. NATO’s purpose should be genuine commitment to ensuring the safety and security of member-states geo-strategic and geographic interests at home and abroad. A new strategic concept would allow NATO to lay out Power Point presentation available. Click here. 164 its vision of where it wants to be in the next decade both geographically and metaphorically. The long-term commitment to ensure security and stability in Europe will obviously remain a key principle of the alliance. A new strategic concept should therefore seek to find the right balance between NATO’s European obligations and its expeditionary focus. The multi-faced Kosovo mission and its daily interaction with multiple international partners provide a positive model of how NATO will probably operate in future endeavors. The Afghanistan mission, which is the first out of area, certainly represents a future direction, both geographically and in terms of NATO’s fundamental tasks. Therefore, the alliance’s ability to undertake out of area missions followed by coordinated civil and political reconstruction, interacting with multiple partners must be a major principle. It is important then that NATO’s global partnerships both with organizations and with non-NATO member-states be determined in a more systematic fashion. Its ability to work closely and comprehensively with the UN, the EU, the G8, NGOs and the private sector is becoming incredibly important. The interface between civilian and military instruments of power is a critical element of today’s new security environment and may ultimately determine the alliance’s success or maybe failure. It is then widely recognized that NATO is working within a new strategic environment. As I have already mentioned, experiences in Afghanistan and the Balkans have also demonstrated that not only NATO but the international community needs to work more closely together and fully comprehensively address the security challenges of today and tomorrow. Heads of states and governments at the Riga Summit in November ’06 commissioned a work on the comprehensive approach. Since then this 165 concept was considered as an important element that will have a direct impact on alliance current and future operations. Then NATO has been working to develop a realistic concept to improve the cohesive application of NATO’s crisis management elements as well as practical cooperation at all levels with partners and other relevant international organizations and bodies in developing modalities for better cooperation. From the alliance’s perspective, there are essentially three aspects; these aspects underpin the comprehensive approach. First of all, improving the coherent application of the alliance on crisis management instruments, including its military and political planning processes. Second, improving the alliance practical cooperation at all levels with partners – the UN and other relevant organizations as I mentioned before – in the planning and conduct of operations and enhancing NATO’s ability to bring military support to stabilization operations and reconstruction efforts in all phases of the conflict. Therefore, implementation of the comprehensive approach will require that the effects on the local population, reconstruction and development will have to be factored into military planning which calls for broad and timely political and military estimates. In developing pragmatic proposals, NATO will be engaged at the following three levels: NATO headquarters should focus on building confidence and mutual understanding between international actors including developing ways and means for better cooperation. At the operational level the priority to cooperate with other international actors in the overall planning for complex operations in which a large degree of civil-military interaction will be required. At the theatre level, NATO force commanders must be empowered to undertake effective cooperation and coordination with the local authorities and in theatre principles from other international organizations in the execution of their mission. All three 166 levels must function in a comprehensively and complementary manner to achieve success. To better support the launching of an operation NATO will adjust its planning procedures to reflect the requirements of the comprehensive approach. That will require: liaising with local and international actors, taking into account non-military expertise, agreed nation commitment and improved political-military cooperation in theatre. Secondly, conducting adequate and regular joint training of civilian and military personnel to enhance better understanding, mutual trust, respect and confidence between NATO, its partners, other local or international actors and support of better interaction and coordination on the ground as the need for operations arises. All this training is taking place making effective use of lessons learned in this process. In addition, while respecting the autonomy of decision-making of each organization, coherence in operations necessitates extensive civil-military interaction and continuous engagement with all the relevant parties and levels. And finally – and maybe most importantly – we must ensure that our public message of commitment to working together is well-known and is reinforced with systematic and well-designed information strategy using well-trained experts and multi-media advanced technology. I also want to say a few words about the effect-base approach to operations which is actually the military side of the comprehensive approach. NATO’s military authorities have developed and agreed their concept of an effect-based approach to operations, which aims at a more coherent and comprehensive application of all NATO instruments and better coordination with non-NATO actors when NATO is engaged or engaging in operations and so dovetails neatly with the comprehensive approach. It focuses on the results of actions, on how they contribute to the end-state of any operation. Thus, an effects-based approach to 167 operations has the potential to describe the military involvement in the comprehensive approach to the planning and the conduct of the operation at the operational theater level. The strategic commands continue to work on this aspect and in particular the practical element of such a concept. The previous speaker is the champion actually of this endeavor. Civil emergency planning The civil emergency planning aim is to coordinate national planning activity to ensure the most effective use of civil resources in collective support of Alliance strategic objectives. Civil emergency planning is a national responsibility and civil assets remain under national control at all times. However, national intentions and capabilities are harmonized to ensure that jointly developed plans and procedures will work and the necessary assets are timely available. The main role of civil emergency planning is in NATO reflect the fundamental security tasks of the Alliance of civil support for military under article 5 and non-article 5 crisis response operations, support for national authorities in civil emergencies and the protection of civilian populations. Beneath these very broad headings civil emergency planning has a role to play in managing the availability of civil assets and facilities and the maintenance of normal life during emergency situations. As NATO adapted itself to the requirements of the changing security environment in Europe, it became clear that the role played by civil emergency planning within the Alliance overall strategic concept would also need to be reexamined. The principle task resulting from this review can be identified as supporting Alliance comprehensive approach to operations. 168 Given the potential diversity of NATO current and future operations, the comprehensive approach is bound to develop and adapt in the future. The area where I see things happening already is that of cooperation between civil emergency planning bodies and the NATO military authorities. I feel that in this area we are increasingly addressing some of the issues identified within the comprehensive approach and it shows some interesting relevant examples of a broader approach to some operations. From the bullets here I would like to focus on the top: support to the NATO military authorities. Civil support to the NATO military authorities can occur in the areas of ongoing operations, military planning and policy and concept development. To implement this, NATO has a civil expertise catalogue which lists a range of experts in various fields, mainly in the political reconstruction and stabilization and logistics domains and these experts can be called upon for support by NATO and we have used and continue to use this expertise on various occasions and we practice this process in all of our major exercises. The catalogue of experts is updated on a rolling basis as necessary or as new requirements are recognized and we are currently in the process of advertising it within the new command structure and defining procedures how to request assistance. An interesting and important aspect of the civil emergency planning role is that it already has a mandate to establish and may take contact with international organizations. When we combine this military engagement with civil expertise, that I just outlined, then you can see that we already have the new place of a more comprehensive approach to operations and this is certainly an area which can – and I’m sure will – develop with time. 169 Ladies and Gentlemen, concluding my briefing, I would like to summarize with two basic messages. Comprehensive approach is a new concept and might be the solution - we don’t know yet; as an idea it’s perfect – under which crisis management and operations should be considered. Secondly, civil emergency planning is now getting a new role beyond logistics and covering traditionally operation areas for planning and execution of operations. Ladies and Gentlemen, that completes my presentation. Thank you for your attention and I’m ready if you have any questions. Mr Chairman, thank you. Back to agenda 170 171 “NATO Perspectives on Crisis Management Exercising (Planning, Conduct and Evaluation)” Mr Ilay Ferrier, Head of Crisis Exercising and Management Systems, Planning Directorate Operations Division of International Staff Thank you very much indeed, Mr Chairman. Good morning Ladies and Gentlemen and if I may also congratulate the USA on its day today. I’ve been invited to say a few words to you over the next fifteen or so minutes regarding crisis management exercising in NATO. And my plan basically is to ask a number of questions and try to give you an idea of how we approach these questions dealing with what are crisis management exercises, why do we conduct them, who’s involved, who participates, on what basis, on what focus these exercises derive and from what disciplines our CMS is constructed and finally some benefits that we’ve had in very general terms of exercising at this level. Let me put these exercises quickly into context. You realize of course that an organization like NATO conducts all kinds of exercises and I’ve put the three general styles of exercises on the screen. At the top, the politico-military grand strategic level exercises - the crisis management exercises. Grand strategic is not an official term, it’s a word that’s coming into use and is often used to describe the inter-governmental level, which of course the North-Atlantic Organization represents. There’s of course a full range of military exercises covering everything from live troop maneuver type exercises through to seminars, table-top and workshops. And as we’ve just been hearing, civil emergency exercises again dealing with crisis response from a civil emergency point of view, support to the military, but also covering involvement in the coordination of disaster response. Power Point presentation available. Click here. 172 So let’s ask the first question: what are CMXs? These exercises are grand strategic politico-military exercises. They are designed to cover the political, the military and also the civil domains but at the level of the North-Atlantic Council and therefore at the level of ministries and capitals. We’re looking at exercises where teams within the capitals themselves engage in advising their delegations in a consultative manner to produce the decision-making that is required for the crisis that has been portrayed. And of course that has to be supported by the strategic commands and of course the international staffs. The top level, as Professor Pfaltzgraff mentioned, I think on the first day, is the crisis leadership element: the executive, the nations. And therefore these exercises are owned of course by the allies themselves, and therefore – which adds its complications – have to be constructive and planned as well as conducted under the consensus decision-making process. These exercises are designed to test both existing procedures but also and most importantly evolving new procedures and concepts, such as comprehensive approach that are coming on-line. Obviously again the allied nations need to agree, and obviously concepts that aren’t going to be tested although they may not yet be approved, of course have to be mature enough to be exercised. And this element covers perhaps again, quoting the Professor, the crisis management element of these exercises which should highlight challenges and opportunities for improvement and from which of course lessons derive. Crisis management exercises are not actually designed necessarily as a staff training vehicle; however of course they have a considerable sidebenefit of providing that sort of benefit. Why do we do them? NATO is a political as well as military organization and it is also of course operationally engaged. 173 The general understanding is that it is necessary to periodically exercise such an organization as is fairly obvious, in part to complement the stars of exercises in the military and civil emergency domains, but also to address the various issues on the screen in white. We have a complex consultation and decision-making process; any alliance, any organization of a multi-national dimension of course has that complexity. There are a lot of misconceptions within NATO itself as well as from outside on how NATO works. It is of course key and perhaps the only vehicle at this level to be able to consider some of the grand strategic issues out of the box regarding potential challenges and at times nontraditional aspects of crisis management. We set out to exercise with a wide variety of non-NATO countries. Most of the nations that are represented in this room today, many of them are partnerships for peace and most of them have been engaged in previous and current exercising. And we believe that exercises of this nature should and can provide an opportunity to cooperatively engage to mutual advantage with other international actors, be those UN and its agencies, OSCE, EU, Red Cross, etc. Obviously, another reason for doing these exercises does pick up these staff training and orientation benefits. So, who participates? As I mentioned, a number of the entities that I’ve already talked about, primarily of course the allied capitals all represented in NATO headquarters by the North-Atlantic Council and its committees, the executive component of the alliance. The two strategic commands in their various capacities either operationally in the case of the allied command for operations and from a transformation point of view, as we’ve just been hearing, with the allied command transformation. And that staffs, and primarily the operational one of course get very much involved in providing strategic advice and planning capability. 174 And the third component, the international staffs of NATO headquarters, those bodies of people who have no decision-making authority at all but facilitate and hope to support the workings of the alliance, who come from the political, military, operational, public affairs, civil emergency planning, intelligence and other domains both in the civil but also in the military field. Most importantly of course again, as I mentioned before, we also involve partnership countries, various types. I'm seeking to improve to use these exercises in interrelations with international actors. That includes of course joint exercises with the European Union. When do we hold these exercises? In fact there is currently an annual program - being reviewed I have to say, but it is annual at the present moment – which has to be de-conflicted and harmonized with on the one hand, for example EU programs and also within NATO, the military and civil emergency planning programs. What do they focus on? These exercises seek to cover all potential challenges over a period of time. We don’t try to do everything in one day of course, but the idea is to set a program to look at exercising in a variety of domains on a variety of different issues. Sometimes with partners, sometimes not, sometimes just the alliance; but primarily most of the time we seek now to do it with partners. It requires imagination to design scenarios, what crises are for the future, to consider the unfamiliar and actions that have never been done before, and of course to try to avoid inevitably sensitivities between the various plain partnerships and also even allied nations. We derive scenarios the best we can covering collective defense obviously from a NATO point of view, but also peace keeping in its various forms and types, including low and high intensity problems, 175 consequence management, conventional asymmetric threat, cyber defense, the maritime domain, energy security, all of these features as part of the exercise scenario-building process. You can’t capture everything in every exercise and therefore you need to be selective and the aim is to cover these different domains over a period of time. Future scenarios will also seek to provide a vehicle to implement, as we mentioned this morning already, the comprehensive approach to a crisis and to operations. We need to define aims, legal issues, civil and military operational planning components and political, military and civil reaction to incidents but also look at the whole business of doing this potentially with international actors themselves and the aim in due course is to try and get them involved as part of the game plan. This should be quite a challenge. There are differing decision-making autonomies in a variety of different organizations; organizations operate differently where member-states are actually the executives within NATO for example. If you go into the UN domain, the department of peace-keeping operations secretariats operate actually with effective autonomy themselves. So there are different asymmetric relationships that need to be thought through as well. The question I think that Dr Koutsis mentioned yesterday, can we use such exercising to improve interaction between international actors and demonstrate the issue and try to focus on the problem that we can’t do things militarily alone. Equally also and of course the most important factor, as one of our media speakers mentioned a couple of days ago, is to identify lessons and implement a proper lessons learnt process from which to improve our ability and hopefully in cooperation with others everybody’s ability to interact together. 176 Some of the objectives: again I won’t discuss this for very long but I’ll give you an insight as to the sort of issues that might come up within the construction of these scenarios. Everything from political, intelligence, public affairs are extremely important, comprehensive approach – we mentioned before – joint operations and logistics. These cover of course a wide range of domains and cover a variety of differing staffs and differing components, entities within the alliance and equally outside with other partnerships, other actors. And finally some of the benefits. These exercises, any exercise needs to produce of course an outcome and benefits even at the risk of actually failing which produces of course its own lesson. And one of the advantages of these lessons you can do this in a benign environment where mistakes are made and problems arise and there isn’t an impact out in the real world and the real field. They provide an opportunity to consider current and evolving concepts in that benign environment. And exercises also enhance familiarity, networking and transparency between staffs within our organization, all of whom of course change both in capitals, NATO headquarters, the strategic commands and elsewhere as well as in the participating entities, be those partnership countries or international actors, staffs as well. Extremely useful of course to be able to identify which department, how it works, what they do and even their personality, so when the real problem arises, you know who to talk to and how it works, and how they need and how they will approach the problem. It also provides an opportunity for all participants, including within NATO, to see as it were, how NATO works and perhaps even on occasion when it doesn’t. And because the whole process is conducted in a time-limited environment, with the results the participants can experience first hand the whole interacting relationship between capitals, their representatives, the command structure, the civil emergency and equally partnerships and 177 international actors. There’s a huge benefit in being able to see the whole panoply of international relations, potentially as part of those exercise games. You may not necessarily see that in the normal conduct of routine business; and by routine I mean even where NATO is running a comprehensive campaign in ISAF, in Afghanistan. It is equally still not that obvious how these different components necessarily work together. In an exercise you can replicate that in a better way and produce that learning process. It also provides, of course, for our partners a useful opportunity for them to work up their own capital’s organization and to improve their ability to work within themselves and equally with other nations as well. And when I say partnerships I mean those that I think as one of our own allies seek to improve their own intergovernmental machinery as well to best effect. Gentlemen, I will conclude there, but I hope this has given you an insight as to what we do at the grand strategic level in the NATO alliance on crisis management exercising and some indications of where we are trying to move into the future. Thank you very much. Back to agenda 178 179 “EU Perspectives on Crisis Management Exercising (Planning, Conduct and Evaluation)” Mrs Vraila Marina, Head of Exercises Sector, Operation and Exercises Unit – Defense Issues, EU Council General Secretariat Firstly, many thanks to the organizers, as usual, for the invitation. Also, the program is arranged in such a way that my job is being made much easier, because I will be - like my predecessor, Ilay - able to refer to previous speakers - in this case very often himself. In addition to these thanks, congratulations also to the US on their national day. I will be very brief, because indeed Ilay Ferrier has provided in a very succinct way much on the reasons why and the usefulness of exercises in a benign environment. Obviously there are a number of differences between NATO and the EU, but much of what he said in terms of the whole construction, etc. are quite valid so there’s no reason to actually mention them again and that’s very useful. As you know ESDP started forming formerly part from an institutional perspective as one of the instruments in 2001 and clearly from its very inception ESDP has been seen, something that has both civilian and military dimensions. And indeed this is part – I suppose—of the added value of the European Union’s contribution in crisis management. It needs to tie in aspects like the European Commission which bring in the economic elements, all the way down to headquarters and so forth. So, there’s quite a big challenge because all of these actors have of course different hierarchical structures, they are based on different parts of the pillars, as we call them in the European Union and what makes exercising quite interesting is having to bring these various actors together. 180 Additionally, there is no permanent military headquarters. We have instead seven headquarters that can be used and of course this means that all these need to be exercised and we started as of 2002 with our first crisis management exercises bringing in the core planning team, as I mentioned, the various actors involved both on the military, civilian and also political side and we are now in 2008 at our second generation of crisis management exercises. The first one went through a series of the decision-making process, because the interesting challenge was that at the same time as the exercises we were also developing the various procedures. Let me remind you that ESDP was pretty young even though there has been a very substantive number of operations, both on the military and civilian field and now one can call sort of more combined operations. And so the first exercises were really very much also procedures setting. For reasons given that the exercises take place over a very short time space one clearly needs to focus on a certain number of elements, so therefore it is useful to have these CMEs, which are crisis management exercises with both civilian and military components. MILEXs which focus more on the military aspects of crisis management although they focus more on the OHQ-FHQ interaction and the collaborative, parallel etc planning in the development of the CONOPS and the OPLAN rather than going all the way down to LIVE-EXs which is not something we are working on in the military field at the moment. And then we also have our civilian exercises which take sort of focus on particular civilian questions and activities. So, I think what I would also need to emphasize is that for us it’s also important to involve in our exercises third partners and international organizations with which we cooperate regularly and in that context of course, we try and involve wherever possible in all relevant exercises the non-EU, European NATO allies and other countries which are candidates for accession to the EU, Canada, Ukraine, Russia, United States, more 181 and more and other countries, our Mediterranean partners also are regularly informed on EU exercises. As Ilay mentioned it’s important to try and hold regular exercises between EU and NATO, whenever we can. We’ve also had one with the United Nations and it’s also important to stress that we also had a seminar with Mediterranean partners. So what we are trying to do is to involve with all those countries which we have a dialogue. And of course each exercise is focused differently in order to take as much advantage of the key questions that we want to ask as possible. How do we do it in the EU? Again I won’t go into all the details. Ilay very clearly highlighted the planning, conduct, evaluation and reporting aspects of exercises and mentioned the importance of lessons learnt throughout the whole process. The only thing that I will perhaps mention at this stage is that in the EU it’s a particular challenge because various committees deal with different issues. It is not just ESDP. If you want for example to consider certain aspects related to financing you have to involve a completely different set of experts than if you want to focus on military planning. Similarly, civilian aspects can be dealt with in one or another committee so what is always a challenge is to ask the right questions, try to be focused, because as Ilay mentioned, exercising takes place over a week or at the most ten days, so you can't solve everything under the sun. And what is important is that both the actors that you are focusing on, as well then as the means with which you will try and support this exercising, for example CIS is becoming more and more important in trying to make the most out of this are key decisions that you have to make early on in order to be able to do so successfully. 182 I think that I will leave it at that because it all fits in the overall presentations and leave therefore also some time for the last speaker. Thank you very much. Back to agenda 183 Q&A Representative from Libya: Thank you very much for your interesting presentation. It has been seven years since the campaign against Afghanistan started. Today the Afghan government with the support of coalition forces is still unable to control the country. Taliban attacks are increasing, civilians are suffering. The idea of describing your enemy as terrorist and refusing any dialogue with it is considered by many people an unwise idea. Don’t you think that the coalition should change its policy and some real dialogue with the Talibans should be initiated to reach some sort of mutual understanding and acceptance and to engage them in the political process? It seems this war can’t be won by bombs and it seems likely to last for a long time. Thank you. Moderator: Your question is addressed to Gen Eikenberry, I guess? I suggest that we take a couple of more questions. Yes, please. Mr Harry Tambakakis: Good morning, General. Thank you for your articulate comprehension. I’m Harry Tambakakis. I am working with the Hellenic Defense Intelligence. I represent Greece in several NATO fora and I have a question for you sir. You mentioned that the Afghan environment is a very complex environment. You have also recognized that we in the alliance need to follow a specific approach identifying a security line, an economic line of approach - and if I captured your words correctly - a reconstruction line of approach. My question is: has the military committee ever tried to consider another line which according to my understanding is essential for us to achieve a goal. The line that I would like to ask you, is the cultural line of approach, the cultural way that we need to apply in this complex environment to achieve what we want, stability I suppose. Thank you. 184 Brig. Gen. Manolas, ACOS J5 in the HNDGS: I would like to address my question to Gen Soligan and then to Gen Eikenberry. Sir, could you elaborate please with view to the comprehensive approach to the extensive experimentation that ACT is currently undergoing? And I’m referring to the civil-military overview experiment. And the question for Gen Eikenberry is again with regard to the comprehensive approach and our interaction with international organizations and NGOs, don’t you think sir, that the existing NATO security policy which stems back to 2002 sets certain impediments in the exchange of information with IOs and NGOs? And what are we trying to do with it and how will we cope with this? Thank you. Lt Gen. Soligan: Thank you. I have the easiest question of the three, but I’d also like to touch a little bit on the points made and asked for Gen Eikenberry as well. ACT, Allied Command Transformation has been focused on both describing and working through ways of implementing the military support for comprehensive approach for several years. One of the initiatives that is ongoing is this initiative called the Civil-Military Overview which to the user is basically a webpage that they have access to, that provides them information no matter which organization they are: civil, NGO, IO. It’s plugged into the military common operating picture, so that everyone would have a common basis of understanding and knowledge. When you peel back the webpage what you really have is a group of subject-matter experts that are from the international community, that are available to connect in a networked way to their resident organization and others to answer specific questions in a reach back approach so the subject-matter experts are for the most part in the rear and they work across the international community to maintain current information and answer specific questions. It is being tested, utilized, refined and improved in Afghanistan and it started last January and it has two people forward and 185 five people from he international community plus others that are in the rear doing this connection. There have been more than 700 requests made by the different users. My view, having reflected now on about 4-5 months of work is that the military is beginning to understand the potential value of having information on refugees, displaced persons, what the international community is planning on doing and I think it has benefited the military a great deal. From the civilian side it provides them protection from being too closely aligned to the military which in some cases undermines their sense of neutrality or their perception of neutrality. But the negative side is that the military culture and the military rules that you spoke about in the second part of your question often limit the information that’s made available to the non-military folks. And as a result we’re seeing a potential failure of the system because the non-military folks are saying “this is a one-way street, not a two-way street.” And so we have been working – as a matter of fact I spoke about it yesterday to SACEUR and his Staff – we’re working with the Commander of ISAF, we’re working with the Provision and Reconstruction Teams to get as much unclassified information available to the international organizations and NGOs. Part of that are the rules for false protection purposes, but most of that is about culture and about a mindset that says “I want to make this information available so that others can use it”; whether it's roads being opened, whether it's safe to go to specific locations at a certain day. There’s plenty of information that’s available on the military side that the civilians want to know. So, I would just touch that. A second area that we are working on in the comprehensive approach is something called a Civilian Advisor, which would be an international organization representative much like our political advisors but connected to the civilian international organization world and NGO world to build the 186 networks connections and relationships to be able to plan together, train together and operate together more effectively. So I’ll stop here because you have three questions, but hopefully you can see that there is tremendous work that’s going on. Most of it happens at the tactical level; we need to embed that at the Joint Force Command Staffs, at the FC Staffs and incorporate it into the NATO Headquarter Staffs as well. Lt Gen. Eikenberry: Let me just follow up on what James said and then I’ll come up on the other two questions. Just to supplement what Jams just laid out for you, clearly there is a much better understanding right now within NATO than say when we first started up operations in Afghanistan in 2003 about the need to have extensive coordination with relevant international organizations or at least information exchange with them and this being critical to the delivery of the comprehensive approach, manifestations I think are examples of how we are much more aware than we were several years ago and indeed making progress. If you look at the NATO Heads of states and governments at the Summit that took place at Bucharest in April of this year, just several months ago, you’ll note there that the UN Secretary General was represented, from the European Union Mr Solana was represented, the World Bank was represented; that was not by accident, that was very much robust dialogue with those organizations and a recognition by all that we need be able to pull together in conflict zones like Afghanistan and have success. The UN and NATO are reaching a point where we should be signing in the days, weeks or months ahead, a memorandum of understanding between us. Our Joint Forces Command branch which has the responsibility for the operational aspects of Afghanistan is periodically now having conferences where they bring in NGOs, the UN, the key Afghan actors at their Headquarters for planning purposes. And then 187 really the spirit of NATO on the ground I know everywhere, at every level of command is an open door with regard to information-sharing with all the relevant NGOs in the area. And sensitivities that James had indicated with NGOs those have to be respected but a philosophy of an open door for the sharing of information which sometimes uniquely we have given our security missions. The second question was about whether there should be a cultural line of operations. An interesting concept – I would say that in a theater like Afghanistan a better understanding of the cultural aspects can certainly help that clarity to understanding the fault lines that exist in terms of the security situation on the ground. Not every problem, not every act of violence is attributable to, as an example, Taliban. There could be tribal fighting that's going on; there can be criminal fighting that’s going on. So, yes, the cultural aspect is critically important. Against that, I would say though that we have to be clear as a military alliance that’s engaged in Afghanistan and will never be Afghan, will never have a good command of the Pashtu language, never will understand the Dari language well across our forces and given the situation in which the Afghan people more than anything else right now wish to take control of their own sovereignty. So, where the real level of effort has to be or where the focus has to be in an operation like Afghanistan is to help build a government of Afghanistan, which ultimately will understand the cultural aspects far more than we can ever dream of, and to help the Afghan people build a government which is concerned with attending to their needs and to winning their own hearts and minds. The final point about Taliban. Let me take issue with the way the question was framed and then I’ll come back to the answer. The way the question was framed, the Afghan people are suffering. Indeed the Afghan people 188 are suffering in places of Afghanistan right now and NATO forces are taking casualties and they, too, are suffering. Let me make a point here. Let’s go back. I talked about NATO and baselines inside of Afghanistan in 2003. If I had time I would put a slide up on the screen that would show a picture of a woman who’s on her knees wearing a burka with a Taliban thug, a Taliban criminal behind her with a riffle that’s about to pull the trigger and to put a bullet through her brain. Not shown in that picture is that watching that are 30.000 Afghans gathered at the soccer stadium one mile from where the Presidential Palace is located inside of Kabul today. That picture was taken in 2001 before operation “Enduring Freedom” began. We don’t see that picture anywhere in Afghanistan today. What we do see is picture of 6 million children going to school. Two million of those are girls. Under Taliban rule, we had less than a million children in school, and by the way all of those were boys, and by the way the curriculum did not include mathematics or science or liberal arts. We find that 80% of the Afghan people today have access to healthcare. We find that the Afghan economy has tripled albeit struggling in certain areas. We find Afghan household income has on the main tripled since 2001. I could go on. So, let’s be careful when we use terms like suffering is going on out there. Let's be clear on a second point as well: that in 2001, when this all began or this late consideration for the Afghan people began, there was no government of Afghanistan, there was no Afghan national army, there was no Afghan national police force, there was nothing. There was nothing except rubble that had accumulated through three decades of Soviet occupation, through three decades of civil war, through three decades of brutal Taliban occupation. We had nothing there. 189 So, it’s not a classic insurgency in which we have an existing government that is now being attacked by an insurgent group. We had nothing. And we started with the Afghans to build a government and security forces and there were voids that existed out there, there were empty areas and against that we had contested areas where Taliban has been, where narco-traffickers have been, where criminals have been. But the idea that in seven years nothing’s been accomplished is absolutely wrong and I will dismiss that categorically. Now, back to what was the question though "Should there be discussions with Taliban?” At the end of the day, that’s for the Afghan government to decide, that’s for the Afghan people to decide. It’s for them to have reconciliation. And there active dialogue that’s going on with the Afghan government trying to find the right group to be talking to and there’s a lively debate in Parliament and by the way, NATO helps to facilitate when asked by the Afghan government to facilitate the process however we can. Not by politically interjecting ourselves but by ways and means that we have available to us. Thank you. Moderator: Thank you very much. We just have time for one or two brief questions. Commander Tsiantoulas: I am Commander Tsiantoulas and I represent the Hellenic National Defense General Staff in CME and CMX planning and my question is addressed to Mrs Vraila and Mr Ferrier and has to do with the joint crisis management exercising of NATO and EU. Given that a number of such joint exercises have been canceled in the past for various reasons, what are the intentions and plans of the two organizations to finally achieve the conduct of such an activity in the future? Thank you. Mr Alex Raptis: 190 Thank you. My name is Alex Raptis and I am a military historian and I’ve got one question related to the drug trade or rather the drug production. In 2001 the Taliban regime managed to stop the drug production without having to spend a single dime. Now, in 2004-5, the British forces went into Hellman territory with one of their primary objectives to stop the production of opium. Now after a thousand dead British soldiers and quite a lot of money spent, the drug production appears to be getting bigger and bigger every year. What is the reason? If Gen. Eikenberry can give me an answer. Thank you. Lt. Gen. Menagias: First of all, I would like to thank all the speakers for the very articulate and eloquent presentation they gave us. I’ll try to make some comments and make a more general question. First of all, we have to admit that as an international community we’ve been caught by the engagement of NATO and the European Union in crisis management and wider and extensive long endurance operations. Secondly, we have experienced a lot of lessons from our engagement in such a type of operations and all these lessons have to be elaborated more. We have started to do it in such a way in both organizations which are present today, the European Union as well as NATO. Of course I would like to highlight the importance of having the future multiple initiatives launched by the ACT which will provide a springboard I would say for the military committee and the nations to decide about the future and the posture of the Alliance and the international community as well. I don’t want to be very boring, so I’ll come straight to the point now. Of course, as Gen. Eikenberry has pointed out, NATO is also one of the actors of the comprehensive approach. What is missing today - of course we can see that we cooperate with the UN, we cooperate with the EU, we cooperate with the G8, we cooperate with the OSCE, etc. We have the maximum results? No. We have some results, but we can increase them. 191 How can we define this common - I would say – dividend in order to make the cooperation more touchable? This is a strategic question that should be resolved by our politicians. Just this question in general if you want to comment on it. Nothing else. Thank you very much. Moderator: Thank you Gen. Managias. We have three questions. The first one is addressed to Mr Ferrier on the NATO and the EU exercises and maybe Mrs Vraila would like to jump in and make a comment as well. The second one on opium production, I guess, also goes to Gen. Eikenberry and the third one on ways of enhancing cooperation between NATO and other international organizations on the field, feel free anyone of you, if you want to make a comment. Mr Ferrier: Thank you very much indeed. The question was related to joint exercising NATO with the EU. If I may by way of initial comment and then I’ll hand over to Marina to my right. There have ever only been two joint exercises in history. One was NATO with the Western European Union in 2000 and then subsequently the first NATO and EU exercise in 2003. We are taking about the exercises that I talked about, the crisis management level exercises. One was unfortunately canceled a few years ago, but only one. There is mutual agreement between both institutions to try and run joint exercising at this level on a three year cycle. That is an agreed policy in both organizations. There is of course constant staff dialogue as to the way ahead programming, etc which goes on all the time. But exercising of course is related inevitably to the real environment. It is not a standalone activity. You can’t just go and do an exercise certainly at this level just as a game without taking into consideration the real environment and 192 of course there are some concerns, some difficulties which we’re all familiar with with regard to this real relationship. And therefore, all I can say really is that the intent is there, the policy is there, the dialogue between the staffs continues on the wheres and hows and the whens, and obviously we will have to come up with some proposals in due course. We're not due for one immediately now, but no doubt one hopes in the not-too-distant future. But that will of course rely to a great extent on the real world circumstances that prevail in the coming years. And that is all we can say at the present moment. I don’t know whether, Marina, you wish to add to that. Mrs Vraila: As usual I can agree with – I mean in this case, since the question was put to both of us – I can agree to everything that Ilay has said. The only thing I can add, every six months there is a policy of coming up with European Union conclusions at the end of each presidency. And yet again there you will find the commitment and the interest of all the next joint exercises with the participation of course of all EU member-states. But I would like to just sort of get back a little bit because, as Ilay says, only one was canceled; it’s not that it’s the only one that can be canceled – you know, other exercises can get canceled, too. What we should, as the exercise planners and programmers, also be aware of is that real life always has to take precedence. And there are cases where, for various reasons, an exercise has to be canceled. I’m trying to undermine this particular one, but there can be other reasons for canceling an exercise, so one shouldn’t do too much on this particular one. Obviously, I tried to focus as much as I can in the wider framework of the presentations, but I would, if I may, also like to say something now about cooperation with the international organizations. I faithfully stayed within my brief, but given the subject, I feel, if I may - it won’t take too long – it’s 193 something that again from the very beginning forms part of the ESDP. In that context, we developed very much - obviously – our relations with NATO, there is “Berlin plus”, there is the strategic partnership, there’s also, in relation with the UN for example, a series of joint declarations with agreed work programs both on the military and the civilian dimension. And then in relation to that, there are also a number of underpinning elements including for example the security agreement which enables the exchange. As was mentioned, it's a very important fact to be able to exchange to the extent possible classified information up to a certain level. What is important I think also to strongly stress here is that sometimes if you look at things too theoretically, they may present more difficulty to be implemented than when you look at them in practice. For example, again in the context of “Berlin plus”, it has worked quite well, it is also working in Bosnia. I understand that cooperation in the field is going quite well. Thank you. Lt Gen. Eikenberry: On the question of counter-narcotics and puppy production – a very important question regarding the implications for future success in Afghanistan. The problem of narco-trafficking is massive; it has gotten progressively worse. We are not certain what the outcome will be this year. It might be at a slightly higher level, maybe at about the level of last year. But the degree to which that involves efforts to try to establish good governance and more dangerously the prospects from the profiteering that comes from narco-trafficking going back into the hands of the criminals but international networks is something of great concern. Four points then. First of all, I think the person’s question said 2004 is when the British went into Hellman; to be correct, 2006 in the springsummer when they went into Hellman. Two years later than you had indicated. 194 The second point was that Taliban miraculously ended puppy production in the year – I think you said 2000 – it’s actually 1999-2000, but although the production went down dramatically, we still don’t know today whether it was an economic decision on their part to drive the prices higher. Clearly though, we projected the year 2008 where the Taliban ideologically is telling the people “Plant puppy, it’s not at all against Islam, it’s being used and consumed on the streets of the infidels, so continue on”. This gives me no confidence that had the Taliban remained in power that they would have continued with the idea of trying to eradicate puppy for religious or ethical reasons; quite the contrary. So, that would be the second point. The third point would be with regard to counter-narcotics. What we have seen inside of Afghanistan where we have reasonably good governance and reasonably good law enforcement taking place is that the people within those areas where they benefit from this will generally on their own turn to alternative agricultural production. So, it gets back to the point of needing to continue to re-enforce the building of governance inside of Afghanistan, rule of law and developing their security forces. The fourth and final point I’ll make though is this: Afghanistan remains one of the poorest countries in the world. It does indeed produce now over 90% of the world’s puppy. About 90% of opium and derivatives are coming outside of Afghanistan. Over 90%. It is however, as I said, one of the poorest countries of the world and far less than 1% of that production is being consumed inside of Afghanistan. So very frankly as we talk about this massive problem, at some point in time the wealthier countries of the world should probably be holding a mirror to their face and say that we also have a demand problem that needs to be addressed. Thank you. Lt Gen. Soligan: 195 The third question was about how to make the comprehensive approach more effective. I think that it's a fundamental question that we need to come to grips with as we move through this. I’d like to relate it a little bit to the point that Karl just made. Two things. First of all, he wrote me a note that the puppy problem was an ACT problem and I told him that if I had a bigger budget and more people, then I would be able to fix it. But when we talk comprehensive approach we have a tendency to think international organizations and NGOs but also comprehensive approach includes the whole government, it includes all the different elements of government working together. And when I was the J5 in US Southern Command, I led the team that wrote a document called “Planet Columbia” which was about the whole of government approach in Columbia where they put the whole government together to deal with the drug issue which takes alternative crops, takes medical security, rule of law, governance, all the ways you go through this economic development, relocation of people is necessary in order to deal with this problem. It is not a military problem. The military can provide security, which is a fundamental basis of everything else that happens, but in fact it is a whole of government and very much a comprehensive approach problem. So, how do you make the comprehensive approach work more effectively? I think there are really two aspects to this. One is culturally and the second one is process-wise. My experience has been that comprehensive approach is only effective when there’s trust and confidence between all the different actors that are involved. And that trust and confidence results from constant and frequent interacting and working together that builds relationships and allows an understanding of what everybody brings to the table and as we talked about earlier respecting the autonomy of decision-making but working together to bring the strength and the power of each organization to the solution. 196 I had just been in a conference last week and the person I was sitting next to was an NGO I had been working with now for fifteen years who has been focused on how to bring NGO elements together. It’s that kind of relationship – she’s now part of the Civil-Military Overview, we brought that organization into that – and cultural building as we move through it that I think is largely missing in the way that we have become stovepiped, in the way that we organize ourselves. The second piece of this is really about process. I’m a C135 and when I woke up in the morning I knew that I was in the air-force but I did everything around my mission. And then I went to the Air Staff and I knew I was supposed to be joint but I woke up in the morning and I worried about the air-force. And then I was in the Joint Staff and I knew that I was supposed to be part of an alliance but I really worried about the US. And then I’m now in NATO and I know I’m supposed to be part of a comprehensive approach but when I wake up in the morning, I think about NATO. And to really fix this problem requires to have all the parties sitting around the table working together every day and then everyone’s voice is integrated on a daily routine basis into the solution set. We can't have partners who are participating in ISAF, sitting out in another place not part of our day-to-day business. We can't have international organizations and NGOs and whole of government being part of an answer, unless they are part of the day-to-day interaction as we go through it. My personal belief is that we could quickly break down most of the barriers procedurally and culturally by simply having members of NATO who are working together alongside – it doesn’t have to be in the same building, they just need to have a separate cell to be able to work together on planning for activities and/ or capability development, where they wake up in the morning thinking about “How do we all make this solution work?” rather than “How do I make my piece of the solution work?” 197 So, culturally trust and confidence and I believe working together around the same table we'll work through most of those issues. Would you like to add anything to that? Maj. Gen. Chatzidakis: Just a little to clarify something. When we talk about comprehensive approach we are not talking about the framework that the organizations are working, let’s say, between them in general. When we say comprehensive approach, it means comprehensive approach for operations. But as the General said before, the more we improve our mutual relationships with the organizations and NGOs, the more we have the chance to have a better comprehensive approach on operations as well. So it’s a very much culturally related issue and I think that there is a good will between the organizations to work together now, it’s well understood by everybody, and good results are expected very soon, I think. Thank you, Mr Chairman. Back to agenda 198 199 “The OSCE’s Role in relations to Early Warning, Conflict Prevention, Crisis Management and Post Conflict Rehabilitation” Mr Pietrusiewicz of the OSCE Conflict Prevention Center (CPC) Thank you very much, Mr Moderator. Actually, before coming here I was thinking quite a long time what should be the focus of my presentation and given the fact that I’m the only representative of the OSCE here and that the activities of South security organizations are generally speaking not very well known, I decided to give a rather general overview of the activities of my organization. Trying to be very brief, let’s see whether I will manage and to leave time for general discussion later on when I’ll be very happy to address any specific questions or comments which would come from the floor. Let me start by making a rather obvious remark, that the OSCE’s capacity to play an important role in the European security affairs is always a function of the developments outside the organization. As you might remember the foundations for the organization were laid down over 30 years ago, but at that particular point in time the organization was a forum for de-conflicting the opposing interests of two major blocks, as they existed at that point in time. There was not much room for crisis management activities then simply because there were no needs for this sort of activities in Europe. The situation changed dramatically after the fall of the Berlin wall when the block to block confrontation became less important in international relations but when the new risk and challenges to security came to the fore, suddenly – and that was related mainly to the break-up of the Soviet Union and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia – Europe was plagued with original conflicts. And there were no structures, no institutions in Europe which were able to address the problem. 200 NATO was not even thinking about out-of-area operations, the EU – or the European Community, I should say – didn’t have its tools as they have at the moment, CSFP, ESDP, and suddenly everybody was turning to the OSCE which at that point in time was a small talking shop dealing with abstract matters and in the matters of months OSCE became an operational organization with most of its resources spent in the field actually; at present almost 80% of our budget is spent in the field. Then, towards the end of the ‘90s the situation in international relations changed again pretty dramatically. First the EU and NATO started developing their own operations in Europe and thus the necessity for the OSCE’s operations became less apparent. Then the honeymoon in the European security affairs was over; there were more confrontational policies that could be observed at the end of the ‘90s, the beginning of 2000 and thus the OSCE’s role started to become less important. Now, we have another change and that is related with the crisis of the arms controls regime in Europe. You might be aware of the problems with the application of the CFE Treaty; that might actually lead again to a steep change in the OSCE's role. Actually, I came here directly from our annual security review conference where discussion on new sets of confidence-building measures and on new negotiations on arms control regimes in Europe took place and it cannot be excluded that the role of the organization will be much more important again. Then let me say that the strength of the organization lies in the combination of several qualities. One of those is that the OSCE has been recognized by the UN as the regional arrangement in the sense of chapter 8 of the UN Charter. That helps a lot due to the fact that a number of states are always very reluctant to allow involvement of international organizations in highly sensitive areas unless they have a clear mandate from the UN. We have it for years and usually whenever there’s a discussion which organization should get involved, the usual 201 conclusion is the OSCE. So, that makes us rather vulnerable in a sense if you will. Then, another thing which I would like to mention is that the OSCE is a truly all-inclusive Pan-European framework spanning transatlantic and Eurasian spaces. We have at the moment 56 participating states which include of course European states, but also Canada and the USA, the role of which in the European security for instance is difficult to overestimate, but also Central Asian states and I would add the partners – one of those is Afghanistan and actually the inclusion of Afghanistan into the partnership program opened a possibility for the OSCE to start activities for the benefit of Afghanistan. Actually, very recently we produced a comprehensive set of proposals on activities supporting Afghanistan in areas such as border management, police and customs. And hopefully this will lead to some quick implementation of this program already this year hopefully. Let me also say that OSCE is still a rather non-bureaucratic structure which makes it easy for us to adapt to new challenges, new risks. The decision-making process is relatively easy, although based on the consensus principle, but still somehow the OSCE managed whenever necessary to create new tools or to create new mechanism procedures to deal with developing crisis. Let me also say a few words about what the toolbox of the OSCE is. First of all, there’s the political dialogue but there’s nothing really original in it; I guess all the international organizations have it. But we also have rather sophisticated sets of procedures and mechanisms for early warning in crisis management and risk reduction. These mechanisms were developed in the first half of the 1990s, they were used to a certain extent at that point in time and then they became dormant, almost forgotten. And suddenly this year they started to be triggered again and that is related to one of the developing crises you might have heard about, the 202 incident which took place on the 20th of April in the zone of Georgia Abkhaz conflict. Abkhaz is a part of Georgia which is out of the control of Tbilisi. And suddenly Georgia but also the Russian Federation started to trigger some of these mechanisms to promote their security and dialogue within the OSCE. Again at the annual security review conference which took place this week, there was a whole session devoted to what the organization should do regarding the revitalization of these mechanisms and actually very interesting proposals were made so if you’re interested I’ll be very happy to describe those later on in the Q&A session. Finally, I would like to refer to our cooperation with other international actors. Right from its inception the OSCE based all of its activities on the assumption that we are not able to deal with all the developing crises on the European space. That's why we need a very close cooperation with the others. Hence, we already developed 30 years ago the comprehensive approach to security. It is not as sophisticated perhaps as the concept that was discussed this morning but it contains all the basic element that were referred to you by my distinguished predecessors. We have a pretty active interaction with NATO, with the European Union, the Council of Europe. Now we are developing our cooperation with the CSTO and the CIS. It is much more active at a headquarters level - I have to admit - but we also put the main stress on the need to interact with our partners on the field. Sometimes it is very successful in some of the mission areas, sometimes not. One important tool which I forgot to mention actually is our – some people refer to it as the “Jewel in the OSCE's crown" - field operations. So far we developed or deployed since 1992 over 30 field operations. some of them were closed down...at the moment we have 19 in four 203 regions of the wider European world - these are the Balkans, Eastern Europe, the Caucasus and Central Asia. Actually, the mandates and the character of these operations vary from case to case, but they are based on one common characteristic: they are cooperative in nature. In other words we need for their activities the cooperation of the host nations. We don’t have coercive measures; actually we don’t want to apply those. One may say that this is a weakness of the organization and actually there are merits in this opinion. But on the other hand we believe that this is our strength. There are other organizations in the European security landscape which can apply this sort of measures. Sometimes the situation requires a bit more delicate approach if you will, and certainly the OSCE is able to provide this. I think I will stop at that. I spoke already for 15 minutes and I will be happy to answer any questions. Thank you very much. Back to agenda 204 205 “ESPD—A real added value?” Mrs Grammata Sofia, 1st Councellor, Head of Department for ESDP, Hellenic Ministry of Foreign Affairs Good morning Ladies and Gentlemen, I am very happy to be here today and to participate in this event. From the first day the discussions began concerning the establishment of European crisis management capabilities, Greece has been amongst the countries which supported the establishment of such capabilities, because we believe that the crisis management arm, the so-called European Foreign and Security Policy, is a necessary operational arm to complete the Common European Policy, the Common Foreign and Security Policy. Greece participates with one of the five European Commands located in member-states; the European command, the operation center is in Brussels. It participates with the establishment of a battle group under Greek Command, but Bulgaria, Cyprus and Romania participate as well; and we also participate in many other European operations and considering that we are also a very good member of the Alliance, the NATO Alliance, it becomes obvious that sometimes we are, as most members of these two organizations, over-stretched, that is we contribute to these operations beyond our powers. The European Foreign and Security Policy was created with the declaration of the European Council of Cologne in June 1999 and has so far proven very dynamic. Ten operations are now in progress, another one is being planned for Guinea-Bissau and another nine have ended successfully. These operations are conducted on three continents. We also have police and generally rule of law operations, but also outright military operations, both in the Balkans as well as the Middle East, Asia and Africa. 206 The crisis management operations that can be undertaken by the Union according to the European Union Treaty are the so-called Petersburg operations, that is humanitarian missions and rescue, peace and peacekeeping operations deploying armed forces. Such an operation conducted using NATO means and capabilities is the Althea military operation in Bosnia-Herzegovina, since there is a close cooperation with NATO based on arrangements completed from 2000 to 2003, which provide the European Union with the possibility of appealing to NATO means and capabilities for its military operations. Another large-scale operation which is ongoing at this time in the Chad region and the Central African Union where 4.000 men from the European Union are deployed, does not use the means of another organization; on the contrary it is meant to support the efforts of the UN in close cooperation with the operation that is ongoing in the area. The instruments for the conduct of this European Foreign and Security Policy can be divided into instruments in which the member-states participate – first and foremost the council of ministers, the foreign policy and security committee as well as the military committee and the committee for non-military crisis management - and community instruments, so to say, instruments of the Union itself – the High Representative and General Secretary, Mr Solana, at this post since 1999, the directorates of the General Secretary of the Council, the EUMS, that is the Military Staff of the European Union and the recently created unit for non-military crisis management. In this framework, as you may have already established, there is an effort for a balanced – as much as possible – development of the military and non-military capabilities of the Union. The non-military capabilities have been developed both through the conduct of police operations as well as the participation of judges and any actors that can contribute to the 207 establishment of democratic institutions and the establishment of what we would call better rule of law structures and the creation of rapid response units called CRTs - Crisis Response Teams - which were recently created. The military battle-groups in the military domain are similar rapid response units and I have already mentioned one under Greek command. However, apart from Greece, many other memberstates have already contributed to the creation of such units. A crucial parameter which would constitute the so-called added value of the European Union concerning crisis management is inter-pillar cooperation. Beyond the capabilities obtained by its political intervention in some regions for which it has a common position, special representatives, a common voice before the local population and with relation to the international developments, the European Union also has the possibility of appealing to the crisis management capabilities where European programs, that is Commission programs, are already ongoing. Such regions are mainly the Balkans, where the efforts of the Commission also include a wider European perspective of these countries – most of you may know the stabilization και association agreements that some of the countries of the region have concluded and the fact that most of the rest of the Western Balkan countries are already candidates to accession. In the framework of the European Neighborhood Policy, where the possibility is given to expand the four freedoms which characterize the European space, free movement of persons, goods, services and capitals, we are also active with crisis management operations and it is obvious that the overall environment of the European Neighborhood Policy encourages such EU initiatives. However, some basic principles beyond the autonomy to act of all international organizations are also our cooperation with other international actors – I have already mentioned our cooperation with NATO; and there is also a close cooperation, as we have already mentioned, with the UN in Africa and so on. 208 In Africa we cooperated very closely for a successful operation conducted in Congo to support the conduct of democratic elections and this operation ended in November 2006. We are now cooperating in the operation I mentioned in the Chad region and the Central African Union. We have a very close cooperation on a partnership level, strategic partnership, with the Central African Union concerning Darfur and in the framework of the cooperation of the European Commission with the African Union, at the headquarters of the African Union in Ethiopia. I would also like to mention that a basic parameter that governs are activities in Africa, but elsewhere as well, is the local ownership principle, the principle that the European Union can only act in a supporting way, it considers that the responsibility for the developments in the region belongs primarily to the peoples of the region and of course this goes for every region where the European Union is active. Our cooperation with international organizations includes not only international actors but also actors with a wide range of crisis management activities, like the US with which we are now cooperating closely in the Middle East and will soon cooperate in Kosovo. In the Middle East we are cooperating with Canada, Norway, Egypt and Turkey, mostly concerning one of the two operations we are conducting, EU cooperates in an advisory capacity aiming at the reform of the Palestinian police. We have been cooperating very successfully up to now with all our European allies that are not members of the European Union, with candidate countries as well as with countries belonging to what we would call the Seville Framework that is Russia, Ukraine, Switzerland and Canada. I would like to make a more precise reference – if I have the time – to two operations that I am certain will interest you. One is the European operation we will undertake in Kosovo; this is a non-military operation 209 which will focus on the establishment of rule of law structures in a region which of course interests the European Union, but primarily interests our country, Greece. We still have some institutional matters to resolve with the UN and we expect a close cooperation with the OSCE. We believe that this operation under Resolution 1244 of the Security Council will contribute to the creation of stability in the latest security vacuum thus far existing in the Western Balkans region. We expect to cooperate with the Serbs and the Kosovars. In close collaboration with Belgrade and Russia we want everyone to accept our European actions and contribute to them. We expect a close cooperation with the countries that have already declared their intention of participating and whose participation in the European operation has been accepted. We consider that they can contribute effectively both in the achievement of its political and its operational objectives and we also want, naturally, a close cooperation with KFOR, the NATO operation, which is a large-scale operation with 17.000 men on the field, and to which Greece contributes significantly. Therefore, we would like to have the same perfect cooperation enjoyed until now by KFOR and the UN operation, UNMIC. The UN operation is already gradually undergoing a so-called reconfiguration phase. We would like it to remain there for the timeframe necessary for the smooth transition to the European operation; we do not want to cause any reactions from the local population. As I mentioned before, the basic principle governing European actions is the acceptance by the concerned parties. Beyond that, one thing that of course interests the European Union in all of its operations is the clear command structure and its autonomy to act; we wish the same in Kosovo. 210 In Chad, which is also an important operation and which I have mentioned a lot, we expect that the UN will take over at such a time to enable the timely retreat of the European Union and gradually undertake the responsibility of the big problem, i.e. Darfur, which has led to many refugees and displaced people that we are called upon to protect and help with the provision of humanitarian help. Therefore, we seek the undertaking of action by the African Union and the local population, because we believe that this is again the only way to effectively resolve crises. In Bosnia-Herzegovina - I won't tire you any longer – which is the latest example showing that the European Union has an inter-pillar concept concerning crisis management, we have a non-military operation which was until recently a large-scale military operation. Our military operation is reducing in size, de-escalating, as we ascertain that the situation in the region is more and more stable thus allowing some of the duties of this operation to be undertaken by non-military actions without compromising the security of the region. Thank you very much. Back to agenda 211 “Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction: a Challenge for Transatlantic Security" Dr Dokos Thanos, Director General ELIAMEP I will talk about a very contemporary issue which is the Iranian nuclear program and the challenges that it poses for international security. But let me first say how pleased I am to be here. I was one of the speakers in the first “Athena” seminars approximately ten years ago and I don’t think that I’ve missed more than one or two since. And it’s important to notice the steady improvement of the seminars over the past few years. Now, my presentation will focus on nuclear weapons, not necessarily on the whole range of weapons of mass destruction. Having faced problems with conservatives in the past, let me say that I do not necessarily endorse all the positions and information presented in that map. But it's a very useful one; it shows the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction on the globe. Now when it comes to nuclear weapons however, there is no – and one might get that impression reading some studies and analyses especially from American think-tank and academics – there is no unstoppable wave of countries trying to cross the nuclear threshold. As you can see on that map, there are only two problem countries right now. So the good news is we can devise country-specific strategies; the bad news is that this may not hold for too long and we may be faced with a domino effect but we’ll talk about this later. Now, I will focus on Iran and will only mention about North Korea that it is currently out of the picture hopefully on a permanent basis. And I’m saying this because as you may very well know, the international community had an agreement with North Korea in the past, in the 90s, Power Point presentation available. Click here. 212 which North Korea did not actually honor so we had to continue the negotiations. Hopefully this is the end of the story, but one has to wait and see. Now, talking about Iran, the first question is why. Why would a country like Iran be interested in developing a nuclear weapons program? Now, I’m saying nuclear weapons program because despite the denials of the Iranian government, all the secrecy surrounding its nuclear program, leads to the conclusion that there is a military dimension to that program. Now, what are the motives? Well, first of all it’s not an Ayatollah program. It dates back to the period of the Shah, Iran, Persia has been an empire in the past, it has great power aspirations, and it is also looking for tangible evidence of scientific progress. The second reason has more to do with security perceptions and the Iranian leadership was concerned about regime survival in the early 2000s at the time of the “acts of evil” and they may have drawn some interesting conclusions from the fate of Saddam Hussein and the negotiations with the North Koreans. In the first case Saddam did not have nuclear weapons and he was hanged. The North Koreans developed a small number of nuclear weapons and what they got in return was negotiations, economic and other benefits. So they might have reached the conclusion that to deal with the US in the post Cold War era you need nuclear weapons even only as a negotiating tool. And one should not underestimate the sensitivities resulting from the use of chemical weapons by Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s when the international community failed to even condemn the Iraqi action. So perhaps that explains the why. Now the critical question is: “Does the development of nuclear weapons constitute a threat to a) its Arab neighbors, b) to the West, c) to Israel? 213 Well, as far as the neighbors are concerned there’s a long history of antagonisms and rivalry between the Arab countries and Iran and some of its neighbors may feel concerned enough to launch their own nuclear weapon programs. Now, about the West. A nuclear and hostile and possibly more interventionist Iran should not be perceived as a threat to regional security and Western American interests, necessarily. It might be, but I think it is still an open question. Possession of nuclear weapons might embolden Iran in foreign policy matters, in question of Iraq, Lebanon and other regional issues, but would not necessarily constitute a physical threat to the West. Regarding Israel. Well, there’s no indication so far that Iran’s leadership is not rational or leaderships, because Iran is definitely not a monolithic country. There are various centers of power in that country and so far there’s a balance which all of us hope is a stable one. So there is no indication that the leaderships are not rational and cannot be deterred. And as long as Israel maintains a secure second-strike capability, Iran would not dare use its nuclear weapons. Now, President Ahmadinejad’s inflammatory statements and rhetoric is extremely unpleasant and damaging but he cannot fortunately back his statements with capabilities. Now, would Iran decide to transfer its nuclear weapons to terrorist organizations? Well, there’s no record or proof so far of any nuclear weapon state transferring, providing nuclear weapons to non-state actors. Now, if we accept that Iran is basically a rational actor it is quite unlikely that its leadership will do so, but of course there are no absolute certainties. Am I basically saying that the development, the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iraq will not be a problem for regional and international security? No. There will be two possible problems. One is what I 214 mentioned a couple of minutes ago: the domino effect; that other countries may feel sufficiently threatened and concerned and may develop their own nuclear weapons and we may have a cascade effect. And that will also be a significant damage to the international nonproliferation regime. Now, Iran has signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. And it has violated its commitments; which is by the way the basic difference with Israel. Very often we hear the argument that if Israel has the right to develop nuclear weapons, then why not Iran? Because Israel never signed the non-proliferation treaty. So, this will constitute a heavy blow to the international non-proliferation regime which is not in its best period ever. In the last few years it has suffered other damages as well. And some analysts are taking the issue even further. They’re saying that we may be reaching what they call a tipping point. There may be a change in the international perceptions that nuclear weapons are not necessary to protect a number of important countries. And they go as far as predicting that countries like Japan, Brazil, Argentina, they even go as far as saying Germany – but I don’t find that very convincing – might reconsider their position about the acquisition of nuclear weapons. So that’s one of the problems. The second: there’s also a school of thought saying that maybe in 5-10 years time we will witness a significant change in domestic Iranian politics; that this will be the end of the theocratic era of government in Iran and they will be replaced by secular leaders. And during that transition phase, as it usually is the case in transition phases, no center of power and decision-making will be strong enough to steer the country into a different direction. And that opens the possibility that one of the less responsible centers of power might be able make an irrational decision and actually implement it. So, there are reasons to be concerned. The question is what can we do? “We” meaning the European Union, the West, the international community. 215 I’m sorry, I need to take a step back and make a brief reference to terrorism, nuclear terrorism and one of the options which is developing ballistic missile defense and the argument here is that a country like Iran or one of the other rogue states in the world will eventually develop ballistic missiles with sufficient range, will arm them with weapons of mass destruction, war heads, and will launch an attack against the US or Europe. And that ignores of course all the possible consequences, the guaranteed retaliation. There was a joke, well not exactly a joke, one cannot make fun of such important issues, but back in 1980 they used to ask in Washington "what is flat, and glows at night?" and the answer was "Iran after Reagan becomes president." That was during the Iranian hostage crisis. Now it is clear that the American retaliation would be a hundredfold of the initial attack so I don’t find the argument very convincing; that someone will ignore the consequences and for some reason will decide to launch an attack against the United States. Which is why I think the whole controversy with Russia over the deployment of radars and interceptors in Poland and the Czech Republic is unnecessary. So, unless one is thinking about the Russian and Chinese nuclear arsenal - which is an entirely different story - in my mind the real threat, when it comes to weapons of mass destruction is terrorism. And what you can see in that diagram is four criteria actually to answer the question who might decide to use nuclear weapons, which terrorist organization. Well, the first circle, organizations that have a motive to attack the US or the West and there’s a long list. But the second is technical and financial capabilities and the list of course grows shorter. The third one, no population of physical base to retaliate against and the list grows even shorter. The fourth one is no moral restrains on committing mass murder. 216 And then the list becomes very short. So, in the intersection of the four circles you might find a very small number of organizations. Maybe AlQaeda; a handful of other groups, but I think this is the real threat. And we should, through intelligence cooperation and other means, devote our attention to that. Now, let me go back to the question "What can we do about the Iranian program?" Well, first of all we have to continue to apply political and economic pressure, but we also offer some kind of carrot: recognition of Iran’s regional role, not a hegemonic one, because the Arab countries would object to that. But I think we need to assist to the development of a new security system in the Gulf region which will take into consideration Iranian, Iraqi concerns. And to achieve this, I think that the Atlantic alliance must come up with a new game plan involving Russia and China. Now, of course ultimately the key to a peaceful resolution of the Iranian nuclear crisis is the full normalization of US-Iranian relations, which by the way would also facilitate greatly the stabilization of Iraq. Now, to achieve this of course it takes two to tango. The European Union is not one of them, but perhaps we can assist with the music. With the American elections coming and none of the candidates taking an open position and taking criticism and float about an open full scale dialogue with Iran, one can be slightly more optimistic. When it comes to Western policies – and that’s going to be my last point – on the issue of non-proliferation, leaving Iran aside, I talked about country-specific strategies, but we also need to think about strengthening the international non-proliferation regime. Well, we can do that by accelerating disarmament, but of course there’s a limit to what we can do. No nuclear state is willing to go to zero nuclear weapons for the next several years, for the foreseeable future, so the grievances of nonnuclear states about double standards and privileged and non-privileged 217 members of the NPT regime will remain - there is little we can do about this. But coming to a couple of practical ideas I think can offer permissive action links and other technical safeguards to new nuclear powers, to avoid the possibility of accidental use of nuclear weapons – well, yes, that legally constitutes a violation of the NPT –but security I think is more important than the various legal points and technicalities. The US could help or limit the damage they have already done on the regime by not deploying or not developing new types of nuclear weapons – the so-called bunker busters. And the US and the other nuclear states could offer a clear no first use guarantee against non nuclear weapon states under any circumstances. Now, in this context of course developments like the India agreement, I’m still ambivalent about this. It has positive dimensions but also negative impact as well. It’s perhaps a bit early to make an assessment of that. My very last point: we need an active engagement by Russia and China. Proliferation is a concern not only for the US and the West, but for all of us. We need to act early to avoid a collapse of the non-proliferation regime. At the end of the day I think that the old argument by Kenneth Waltz, one of the great thinkers of international relations, who developed back in the ‘80s a theory called “more may be better”, basically saying that if countries in the third world develop nuclear weapons, then we’ll have a replication of the US-Soviet system of deterrence. That will be a stable system, no conventional wars or other types of wars would be fought between let’s say Israel and its Arab neighbors, India and Pakistan and we would all be better off. I think this is not a valid argument. The answer to that school of thought was given by an English – Kenneth Waltz is American – academic, Hedley Bull, who said “Well, that’s a great idea. So let’s put a small amount of nitroglycerin to the bumper of every car, so that we will avoid the terrible loss of life on a daily basis from car accidents.” But of course 218 machines can break down and people make mistakes, so at the end of the day we may not be better off, quite the opposite. I think that all of us will feel better the fewer the numbers of the nuclear buttons. The question is how far we should go to prevent that. I didn’t make any reference to the possibility of a military strike against Iran by either he US or Israel, but I would be happy to discuss that during the Q&A period. Thank you. Back to agenda 219 “Writing Methodology of Geopolitical Analysis – structure, concepts and terms” Dr Mazis Ioannis, Professor of Economic Geography/ Geopolitics, Ionian University, President of the Scientific Board of Defense Analysis Institute (I.A.A.) Thank you very much, Chairman. This time I will be very theoretical and you can be quite without fear. I won’t resent maps, only texts and I would like to talk about the methodology of the geopolitical analysis and especially to present the structure, the concepts and the terms of this analysis. This presentation puts forward a systemic methodology for geopolitical analysis. It can be employed by researchers that make use of this geographical analytical scientific tool to research international political events, international relationships, crisis and the associated redistribution of power (defensive, economic, political and cultural) on the whole system of the national state formations in our planet (nation-state and ethnic formations), the phenomena as well as the entities which influence the make-up, the structure and the interaction of power among these formations. The key-words we must see are those you see right now on the screen. And we must start by the title of a subject and its interpretation. The title of the subject of a geopolitical analysis study defines the facts and the objectives of our problem. In particular it defines: 1) The boundaries of the Geographical Complex, which constitutes the geographical area to be analyzed. Presentation in .pdf format available. Click here. 220 2) The (internal or external) area of the Complex, i.e. the area of interest as a field of distribution or redistribution of power due to the impact of a specific geopolitical factor. 3) The above geopolitical factor, the impact of which is possible to affect the distribution of power in the internal or the external area of the given Geographical Complex. Let’s give an example. The title of our study could be «Geopolitics of the Islamist movement in the Wider Middle East». The analysis of the title: 1) The boundaries of the Geographical Complex are defined by the term “Wider Middle East”. 2) The area of the Complex under study is the “internal” of the geographical complex in the Wider Middle East, illustrated by the word “in” meaning “within the boundaries of the…”. 3) The designated geopolitical factor is the “Islamist movement”. Analysis: 1st stage In this stage, we establish the boundaries of the geopolitical systems, within which the action or the actions of the geopolitical factor stated in the title of the subject matter, are to be examined. There are three System scales deriving from the range of the geographical area to which they refer: 1) Sub-systems, which constitute subgroups of the systems. 2) Systems, i.e. the main Geographical Complex under study. 221 3) Supra-systems, which contain, as a sub-system, the main System under study along with other ones that are not involved in the present study. We must pay attention because in order to define the above mentioned systems in terms of geographical range, a qualitative element is required, which, by its very existence, its forms, its action, and the extent to which it influences the System, will identify the geographical areas encompassed in the above mentioned Systems. Without this qualitative element and its individual parts, the definition of the three above mentioned System scales is not only impossible but also meaningless. How to define the Systems. Another example: In the above mentioned subject matter the boundaries of the Systemic scales are defined as follows: 1) System: The Wider Middle East Geographical Complex, not only because it is stated in the title, which is already a fundamental criterion, but also because the “geopolitical factor”, i.e. the “Islamist movement” exists, acts and affects the whole geographical area of the Complex. 2) Sub-systems: i) The “Islamist Movement in Maghreb” constitutes a Subsystem due to the unique character of the cultural, economic, political and organizational aspects of Islam in this geographical area. ii) The “Islamist Movement in Middle East” for the same reasons stated above. 222 “The Afghan-Pakistan and the important salafist Islamist iii) Movement” can be included. 2) The Supra-system is in this case: The International Daar al-Islam (House of Islam) can be designated a Supra-system, i.e. the Geographical Complex encompassing the land of Islam at the international level, where Islamic peoples live, and further the Daar al-Sulh (House of Treaty), where the Islamic Diaspora lives, more or less theologically, undisturbed, e.g. Europe, the USA or Australia. 2nd stage After defining the three System scales, the next step is to specify the fields under study which are influenced by the “geopolitical factor” of the title. That is, we should determine for which combination of the four fields (geopolitical pillars) we will examine the impact of the “geopolitical factor”, always within the framework of the chosen Systemic scale, for example, at the “System” level, the medium level. We will examine the impacts of the Islamist movement on the three above mentioned Sub-systems, in particular Defense, Economy and Politics or Culture and Economy or Culture, Politics and Defense or with regard to all four pillars of power, that means: i) Defense, ii) Economy, iii) Politics and iv) Culture / Information. In this stage we will determine the geopolitical trends – dynamics for each one of the sub-systems under study. The trends, defined solely in terms of “power”, inform as to: 1st) The pillars to which the “geopolitical factor” under study belongs (in our example the geopolitical factor is the Islamist movement – we remember) and as a consequence already defines or may define their 223 actions within the framework of each Sub-system. This form of conclusion is defined as “positive sub-systemic component trend of power” of the “geopolitical factor” in the “Internal of the System”. 2nd) The pillars which act as shock-absorbers for the “geopolitical factor’s” impact thus not affecting the whole sub-system. This form of conclusion is designated “zero sub-systemic component trend of power” of the “geopolitical factor” in the “Internal of the System”. Synthesis The term synthesis refers to the procedure through which we can find the Resultant Trend of Power of the given geopolitical factor on a final systemic scale. When we have found and defined the individual power components (of the geopolitical factor) at the sub-system level and the objective is the component at a System level systemic scale, then the synthesis stage begins at the System level. If the desired component is at the Supra-system level, then the synthesis stage begins after the components of the System have been analyzed. And we finish with conclusions. The last stage of the study is dedicated to the “Conclusions”, of course. Here, we are called to describe the geopolitical dynamics, as well as how the “component of power” of the “geopolitical factor” under study affects the behavior of the System under study within the framework of the Supra-system. It must be noted that in this stage of the study, as in any other stage of a geopolitical analysis, we make no proposals. We discover and describe the structures, actions, functions, impacts, forms, and dynamics of a geopolitical factor as well as how the System behaves because of them. 224 Proposals do not form part of a Geopolitical Analysis. They form part of a Geo-strategic approach which may be carried out if asked and by taking advantage of the results of a geopolitical analysis that has been conducted beforehand. Thank you very much. Back to agenda 225 “Emergency Planning – The role of the State” Mr Mouzas Margaritis, Secretary General for Civil Protection Thank you, Chairman. First of all I would like to thank the Ministry of National Defense and the National Defense General Staff for the invitation. This gives us the opportunity to explain what Civil Protection means, when it talks about emergency situations and crisis management. I am also very happy because I see that the effort made for this Athena seminar is bearing fruit, the contribution and the extent of the seminar is constantly increasing and I also see the interest of other countries, friends, to participate in it. Ladies and Gentlemen, In the next 20 minutes, I will refer to planning in order to deal with emergency situations and more specifically to the role of the state and the administration in this procedure. In order for everything mentioned to be absolutely clear to everyone, I will begin by stating some definitions which will delimit the framework of my speech although most of the participants are familiar with most of these terms. What is defined as an emergency situation? I am referring to the Greek institutional framework, i.e. Law 3013/2002. In this institutional framework the concept of an “emergency situation” is sometimes described as a phase or the scale of a disaster and sometimes as the mobilization and escalation of the state’s reaction renamed as civil protection emergency situation. In general, an emergency situation is every “abnormal situation which disrupts the usual daily processes and requires immediate action and intervention”. Presentation in .pdf format available. Click here 226 What does the term “planning” stand for? Planning, in general, is the method by which people define beforehand the way to achieve a goal or to solve a problem. By extension, emergency planning is a continuous cyclical process which consists in: the drawing up of plans, the training of the personnel involved in the implementation of the plans, exercises in order to test and control these plans and the practice of the personnel and finally the revision and the update of these plans. This planning is realized during all the phases of the continuous emergency management circle, i.e. mitigation of consequences, preparation, coping and rehabilitation. In fact however, by nature, the emergency planning process tends to be identified temporally and conceptually to a great extent with the preparation phase, that is the timeframe before the disaster, during which the drafting of a plan, the training of the personnel for the implementation of this plan and the exercise in order to control that it is comprehensive and correct take place. Furthermore, it is important to clarify that in fact the scope of the emergency plan includes, mostly time-wise, the coping phase, but also part of the rehabilitation phase, especially what we call short-term rehabilitation. Despite the fact that the planning procedure has already been defined as a continuous cyclical process, it does, however, have a clear starting point. This point is risk analysis. The risk analysis process begins with the identification and mapping of the hazards, continues with the measuring 227 of the human and infrastructure exposure level to these hazards and ends in the assessment of the potential direct and indirect cost of the consequences. There are various approaches concerning risk analysis methodology, both qualitative and quantitative as well as various algorithms, mainly for the risk assessment of natural disasters, which are used mostly by the USA and Japan. The following steps form the common “body” of all these methodologies. The first step, which is defined as “hazard identification and labeling", includes actions which answer to questions such as: What disasters have occurred in the research area in the past? What were their characteristics (scale, intensity, duration, etc)? What were the consequences? Did these disasters breed any other phenomena? The second step, which is defined as the “assessment of the frequency and intensity of a hazard”, includes actions which answer questions such as: What are the chances that a potentially disastrous hazard may occur? Which factors increase or reduce the probability of occurrence? Which factors increase or reduce the intensity of the potential hazard? How do we estimate the intensity of the hazard? The third step, which is defined as the “vulnerability assessment”, includes actions which answer questions such as: How “exposed” are people, the environment, infrastructure and networks, cultural heritage sites, in the face of disasters? 228 What is the coping capacity of the disaster management mechanism in the face of disasters? The last step is defined as “risk assessment” and includes the potential social and economic consequences of a disaster. These consequences include the cost for the repair and reconstruction of houses, infrastructure and networks, the cost for the disruption of commercial and business activities, the cost to agricultural economy, income losses, the cost for the relocation and displacement of the population, the cost of rent subventions, etc. Now, let’s move on to the more practical part concerning the operation of the civil protection in our country, Greece. The General Secretariat for Civil Protection, aiming at the establishment of the foundations for a modern and united methodological risk assessment framework in the whole country, announced in 2007 a tender for the “Study of the National Emergency Management System”. This project, which is in progress, also includes a sub-project entitled “Definition of technical specifications and risk mapping and hazard assessment studies”. The same study includes other sub-projects which are not mentioned. We aspire that the end product of this project will be an original tender volume, which will be approved by the scientific and technical community and will then constitute the basis for the announcement of other similar studies all over the country, which will be financed to some extent by the 4th EU(CSF) plan. Risk assessment is the first step towards the planning and implementation of a comprehensive policy for civil protection, which as a duty is described quite satisfactorily in the existing documents, under the title “Annual National Civil Protection Planning”. However, since the perspective of a medium-term and long-term planning cannot be encaged in an annual budget, the modification of the institutional framework as well as the development and institution of a methodology for the drafting of a National Civil Protection Plan is already the object of another study, 229 in the medium and long-term, in the context of drawing up the National Strategic Reference Framework (ESPA), i.e. while actions are being planned on a one-year level in the framework of the existing budget, we are going to institutionalize the medium-term and long-term planning in order for the implementation of the policy within our budget capabilities to remain stable and not to vary depending on the existing credit. What does the preparation phase represent? Simply, the situation where a body or civil protection mechanism is prepared to cope with a disaster. No body with disaster management competencies can cope with a disaster if it has not attended beforehand to the planning, training and exercising of the officials and the population. It is probably the phase during which there is more intense effort on the part of the civil protection mechanism and especially the General Secretariat for Civil Protection to cope with a disaster successfully. More specifically, a lot of weight has been placed on the plan development process in order to cope with disasters according to the “General Civil Protection Plan under the code name XENOKRATIS”. The “Xenokratis” plan, supplemented by the Special Human Losses Management Plan, which resulted from the experience we acquired from the accident that was described a while ago with the aircraft "Helios", constitutes the base for the planning and actions on behalf of the state mechanism concerning the management of emergency situations occurring from any kind of disasters at all administration levels. This is a planning framework which provides general planning instructions, as well as a template for the submission and approval of plans. The planning framework defines the kinds of disasters and designs competent services for planning at a ministerial level only. The further special definition, based on the institutional framework in effect, the operational role of various Directorates of various Ministries and their connection to Civil Protection actions, which they will be called 230 upon to materialize in order to manage emergency situations, the rules for their involvement as well as issues of an administrative nature, should be realized through the Special Plans which the competent Ministries for each disaster, each hazard are obliged to centrally draw up. In this context, the General Secretariat for Civil Protection has seen to the formation of work groups in the Ministries which are referred to as responsible for planning, having as a project the drafting of special plans for each disaster, based on the 25 main planning requirements and the 11 coordination instructions mentioned in the “XENOKRATIS” plan. The final objective is to draw up a General Plan for each disaster, which will emanate from the synthesis and harmonization of the special plans for each disaster drawn up by the Ministries. The Ministries responding to this demand have proceeded to the formation of work groups and the appointment of planning managers. The General Secretariat for Civil Protection, in an attempt to help them in their work, has issued the instruction manual for the drafting and harmonization of the Special Plans for each disaster at a ministerial level or the level of another central authority - I repeat, central authority. The objective of the manual is to define the structure and describe the content of the Special and General Emergency Plans, in order for them to be standardized and harmonized with what is defined in the “XENOKRATIS” plan. (I repeated that this applies only at a ministerial level because special instructions are already being issued for the drafting of the relevant plans on a regional, prefecture or municipality level.) The main disadvantage of the existing “XENOKRATIS” plan is the fact that the competent authorities with a primary and secondary responsibility for the drafting of the plans for each disaster are not clearly defined, resulting in the diffusion of the planning responsibility to more than one services and the delay of the drafting procedure of these plans. Another important disadvantage is the anachronistic planning philosophy, for each kind of disaster, which requires the drawing up of a relevantly 231 large number of plans, which essentially answer the same questions, without any special additional value. It is known that the multi-hazard model is often applied, i.e. one structure to cope with all hazards. This is an approach studied mostly by the General Secretariat for Civil Protection and it will probably be adopted because it is more practical. Aiming at the support of the planning process which presents some difficulties mostly due to the lack of relevant training, instructions are issued by the General Secretariat for Civil Protection which clarify the regulatory framework and the involvement rules for authorities when coping with a disaster. These instructions are drawn up annually and mainly concern disasters such as forest fires as well as those which occur from intense weather conditions – we mostly refer to instructions which cover “acts of God”, like heavy rainfalls and floods, frost and big snowstorms. At the same time, “XENOKRATIS” is gradually being supplemented with other plans, such as those for Massive Losses, for coping with Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Hazards and Events, while collective bodies are being instituted and organized, such as the Support Team for the Management of Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Hazards and Events as well as the Teams for the Identification of Disaster Victims. The main readiness enhancement tool of the state mechanism with regard to forest fire hazards is the daily issue of the Fire Hazard Map during the entire fire period. Furthermore, aiming at the production of a new generation of civil protection officials with modern perceptions and a targeted education, the second cycle of production of specialized civil protection officials within the functioning of the National Local Administration School is completed and the first graduates – in total 30 officials - last year have already been 232 assigned to the Regions and some Prefectures. At this moment the second educational cycle is in progress and the third is beginning. In addition, an effort to draw up a framework for civil protection exercises in ongoing. More specifically, taking advantage of the know-how of other countries in this field we define the type of exercises, we describe the process and the instruments for their preparation and implementation, as well as the evaluation criteria and procedures for the supplying and improvement of the whole mechanism. We all know that as perfect as a plan can be, it needs to be tried through exercises for two main reasons: the first is for the concerned personnel to be trained – this is a very important reason and the second – which is as important – is that through trial, as most of us know, the plan will be updated and improved. Apart from the above, the use of information and communication technologies as a means to supplement the emergency planning and to support the decision-making either by the General Secretary or the Central Civil Protection Coordination Body which consists of the competent Ministers at a ministerial level and the General Secretaries of the Ministries at a general secretariat level, is mainly achieved through the “Comprehensive Information System for Civil Protection”. This system, composed of a number of ICT applications, allows for the collection, processing and presentation of crucial information from the disaster site on a geographical background or a satellite image, under any circumstances, with the contribution of the Regional Civil Protection Directorates. The material is being tested as I mentioned before at a regional level and within the limits of the 4th EU(CSF) plan and in the framework of the operational program “Nomos” (Prefecture) the expansion of the said system to a prefecture level is provided for. 233 An important technological capacity, but also a responsibility for the General Secretariat for Civil Protection is that of the telephone center of the Pan-European Emergency Hotline “112”. Since 1999, the General Secretariat for Civil Protection has signed a contract with OTE for the operation of the 112 hotline, which caters to the needs of Greek and foreign citizens in three (3) languages irrespective of the emergency. Recently, as a way of adapting to the wishes of the European Commission, "112" has been equipped wit the capacity to track the position of the caller, upon request, while the automatic tracking service for all calls without a special request is underway. Another similar action which has been undertaken is the orientation of SMS messages through the mobile as well as the fixed telephony concerning the activation, mobilization of geographical regions where there is valid information that a hazardous phenomenon might occur. Emergency planning also includes the involvement of civil protection volunteer organizations. The existence of at least one hundred thousand registered volunteers in the Volunteer Organizations Register offers, on the one hand, an excellent contribution opportunity in the reduction of disaster consequences but on the other hand it creates huge responsibilities concerning the use of this workforce which is mostly not sufficiently trained and with no certification, so far, of the duties it is able to undertake. The priority of the General Secretariat for Civil Protection is to improve the existing institutional framework in order to cover the weaknesses concerning their administrative de-centralization at a prefecture level and, if possible, a municipality level, the institution of accession criteria, training, certification and finally issues of urban liability and insurance. Our main goal remains to create a volunteer conscience to all citizens, according to international standards, by using the capabilities the Ministry of Internal Affairs operational program "Administrative Reform" offers. In this direction international cooperations are also in progress with 234 Germany - on the 1st and 2nd of this month we conducted a similar workshop with our German friends on issues concerning volunteering and civil protection crisis management. To conclude, it should be made clear to everyone that the responsibility for the preparation in order to cope with potential disasters does not only lie with the state but it is also an individual responsibility and a responsibility of all citizens. All citizens must comply with zoning and urban rules, prepare and update a family emergency plan, which should at least include elements such as an alternative communication scenario, a known and sure escape route towards a safe and agreed location, be constantly informed on issues concerning their safety etc. As for the civil protection actions on an international level, the dominant perception in the disaster management field is that "every disaster is first and foremost a local disaster". However, the drastic increase of human society vulnerability as well as the ever so rapidly developing change in the environmental balance, often makes us witnesses to developments such as the one we experienced last summer and a few weeks ago in Myanmar. In these cases, a special chapter in the emergency planning field is activated, i.e. the receiving and sending of international aid. For these reasons, the General Secretariat for Civil Protection is developing a manifold international activity. This activity is mostly developed within the EU through the European Civil Protection Mechanism and the Financing Framework 2007-2013. The objective of the Mechanism is to facilitate the enhanced cooperation in interventions for the provision of help, in emergency situations or in cases where there is immediate danger or threat of major disasters, centrally coordinated in Brussels. More specifically, when a country suffers major disasters and requests it, it is possible to mobilize the operational means of the countries participating in the Mechanism to send help. For the operation of the Mechanism an MIC - Monitoring and Information Center was 235 established in Brussels, which operates on a 24-hour basis, all year round and employs personnel from the civil protection unit. For the exchange of information between the National Civil Protection Authorities of the member-states inter se as well as with the European Commission an internet application was developed, CECIS - Common Emergency Communication and Information System, to which only authorized users have access. The Financing Framework for civil protection was instituted by Council decision, in March 2007, and its objective is to unify in one legislative text the financing of actions undertaken by the Mechanism as well as those undertaken by the European Commission which will contribute to the enhancement of the prevention and readiness measures for 2007-13. As you know, the actions undertaken by the European Commission and in general the EU for the enhancement of civil protection are very important. Apart from our participation in the EU proceedings, we also actively participate in matters of Civil Protection which are discussed and decided upon by international organizations like the UN, NATO etc. In addition, we signed with France in November last year an “Administrative Memorandum” aiming at facilitating the procedures for the inter se disposition of fire-extinguishing capabilities from the air. Furthermore, we formed a common interstate team with this country (HEFRA), aiming at the further expansion of our bilateral cooperation in the domain of extinguishing forest fires. We joined, as a fifth member, the initiative «FIRE 4» of the European countries Italy, France, Spain and Portugal, which is now called «FIRE 5» due to our participation, aiming at the exchange of experiences and the common participation in European programs for coping with the common threat, namely "Mediterranean type forest fires". There is a similar cooperation with America and Germany. 236 We are also active members both of the South-Eastern European Cooperation Process (SEECP) – a ministerial meeting recently took place in Sofia, Bulgaria - and the Adriatic-Ionian Initiative (the presidency of which we assumed as of June 1st of this year, for one year until the end of May 2009). Finally, we have concluded bilateral cooperation agreements with America, Russia, Cyprus, Ukraine, Turkey, Hungary, Malta and Albania, while the conclusion of similar agreements with Bulgaria, Morocco, Azerbaijan, etc, is in progress. Emergency planning does not aim at drawing up a text which will remain locked up in some drawer only to be produced dusted and outdated when the conditions require it, but the procedure itself is a sign of progress of society, since it proves its capability: to set visions and objectives, to decipher the blurry image of future social, environmental and economic conditions and to create the appropriate environment for the cooperation between the citizens, the state and private companies always aiming at a safer future. Thank you very much 237 “Contingency Plans and Crisis Management in case of a major disaster or accident – International Cooperation” Police Major Tsounakis Georgios, Hellenic Police – Crisis Management Division Good afternoon, Ladies and Gentlemen. It’s a great honor for me to be here and I want to thank you for the invitation. I want to make my presentation in the Greek language of course, because as I have been informed, they have very good translators. So it’s better for me to speak my language. First of all, I would like to speak about the national crisis management system in our country. As the Chairman previously mentioned, we have a lot of experience in managing such crises and we could isolate two kinds of crises, the external crises and we are of course talking about armed conflicts, the responsibility of which lies with the army. Then, there are the internal security crises, which take place in many countries and even more in our own given its geographical position and given the fact that it is neighboring with countries where problems often arise and we try to help them resolve these issues by contributing or in some other way. So, the police help both as an operational power and a supporting power, depending on the crisis, in criminal actions, in counter-terrorism of course, in natural disasters, technological disasters and other disasters which entail consequences and losses. In this sector, we offer support. We help the authorities that are responsible for managing such crises or major incidents. As to the term crisis of course, you all know that there is no exact definition of this term. We, in the police, would say – taking into account Power Point presentation available. Click here. 238 our plan, Polydeukis, which we have formed in order to cope with such crises and on which I will say a few words later on – that a crisis is something that is beyond our powers. We cannot manage it any longer on our own. This is for us a crucial incident, a crisis. Other things may be a major incident which may lead to a crisis. However a crisis occurs when Greece gives up, as other countries in the past, and cannot cope with it alone. Here, I would like to show you on this slide how our country manages two different kinds of crises. As you can see, at the top we have the Prime Minister with his government, who makes the final and important decisions, should the need arise. On the left, we have the External Security Military Threats and the KYSEA which is the instrument that makes the decisions, the council which makes proposals on how to cope with the crisis and of course the Ministry of Defense. To pass on to our own turf now, concerning crime and terrorism of course and not the rest that I mentioned, where we offer support and help in the work of the incident commander and as I said these are terrorist acts responsible for which is the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Mercantile Marine with regard to the port authorities and all of this under the Crisis Management Council in which the Chief of Police, the Minister and everyone who must give an opinion, a solution participate - and here other authorities are involved who may help even in the case of a terrorist attack. On the other hand, in case of natural and technological disasters, the Ministry of Internal Affairs with the General Secretariat for Civil Protection is responsible for managing these crises not only with our contribution but also the contribution of other authorities. And of course the National Government Coordination Body is responsible for presenting an image of this crisis, managing the resources and splitting, as we say, the work; managing the overall crisis. 239 So, we, the Hellenic Police, after our experience during the Olympic Games, decided to create this Crisis Management Division - in which I am honored to serve - in an effort not to waste any of the know-how and experience we acquired, to give it to our country and especially the officers serving in the Hellenic Police. Thus, we formed a plan, Polydeukis, which – I will only say a few words, because you can see in the slide what it deals with - is applied both when we are in charge of an incident but also when we are helping. This plan mentions what our competencies are when we are only helping another service. Following this plan, it is clear who does what and for what reason. Here, I would like you to see again how these are connected on an administration level: the incident commander is connected to the “Σ.Ν.Ο.”; the “Σ.Τ.Ο.” is the lowest level in a crisis which corresponds to the mayoral level and even lower depending on the crisis, which is connected and helps the scene commander and of course, as I mentioned earlier on, is the last, the highest level. This is why we created a new center, we created “E.K.E.T.A.”; it’s a united security and order center of the Hellenic Police, which is interconnected with all these centers that you see: firstly with the police centers and if the crisis is beyond our powers, authorities, authority representatives contribute to this center by providing direct information, by collecting all the information. A special team for the assessment of threats and the collection of information also contribute to this center. Here we have the participation of the National Intelligence Agency and our own information services and that of the army of course, depending on the crisis, to provide the center which manages the crisis with filtered and quick results and inform the political leadership of any further decisions. This center has been functioning for about a month now; it has already helped a lot in dealing with the fires, it has helped us in our contribution to the General Secretariat for Civil Protection, to the fire department which 240 is in charge. The information is received rapidly with no delays and we can in turn respond rapidly to the crisis. When some information is different from one center to another and gets to us after a certain amount of time, this does not help us respond quickly enough to an incident, to run and do what the fire departments ask us to do. We do not put out fires, but we must open the road for the fire department to get there first. This center of ours is connected – as you can see - with 14 other smaller operation centers which give us this image from the police departments of our country. This center has satellite image capacities using a new system. Depending on the incident, we can provide the image from any inaccessible point directly to the Chief’s office and the Crisis Management Council; a live image which reporters cannot provide because they will be placed into a specific position not to interfere with our work. Let’s have a look at the international contribution, because I would like my presentation to insist on the video which I will project in a while and I would like you to see sort of an assessment concerning a real incident in our country. I will talk about this later on. So, let’s take a look at the international contribution which is quite clear in Greece. Greece had to decide early on – and the Olympic Games greatly helped in this – on the following: in some cases we need help and contribution. What should we do? Do we ask from countries like Poland, France, England to help us when that time comes? They will respond with every good intention, “Ok. But what do you need?” Will we search at that time to find what we need? No. So, what do we do? We start with the civil protection which is near us in any incident concerning the police, terrorism or some big terrorist attack, let's say a plane hijacking; it is there ready to help us with resources if it can cover it. 241 When the crisis is bigger, we appeal to the armed forces which will help us with material means which they can offer in peace time. And if this still isn’t enough, we search abroad, i.e. the civil protection and the system created by the European Union. We are members of the EU and this is where we will appeal for help. And we, as the police, have made our own plans on what we want, how we want it and how long it may take to get here. When you have such a basic plan ready, codified with names, who is in charge of responding to your request, if we know for example that we need a specific department in Austria which has a very good team responsible for disarming explosive devices and we know that this might be very helpful to us when it comes and we are unable to cope with the situation any longer, we notify Austria, which is aware of the time needed to sent it, we have signed an agreement and this help will arrive when needed. This is it for the EU. Now let’s pass on to NATO. We are a member of NATO and we expect it politically to help any way it can. Now our cooperation with other countries especially concerning the police sector. We cooperate with organizations, special services which train our people, we train people from other countries, we are on constant alert and training, we often attend substantial conferences and not conferences which are organized just to organize a conference. We present our proposals to the EU and I am happy to say that most of them, concerning police matters, our materialized. We collaborate with a series of liaison officers which most countries have here in Greece that my department is responsible for informing. At regular intervals we gather, discuss, see where we need to focus the help we want from each other, the pieces of the puzzle that everyone can put in so that we may get some results. Our cooperation is not formal, but substantial. We have regular meetings and talk, and the same happens when something occurs in another 242 country. They inform us, some of our people go to that country, they are informed in after action reports, so this is a very good and real cooperation. Without good cooperation, without honest information we cannot cope with a situation. If one hides things from the other, because some things can’t be disclosed or he believes that some information should remain a secret, then we won’t have any results. Furthermore, the Hellenic Police cooperates with and is one of the first members of Interpol and Europol where we exchange information. We have information networks. Units inform us and we inform them on our part of whatever takes place so that there may be an image when Interpol can help, send a name, any other kind of help, a similar case which may help. There is nothing more I would like to add. Thank you very much for your attention. Back to agenda 243 “CBRN Crisis Management in urban environment” Col (Dr) Galatas Ioannis, MD, MC (Army), Head of Department of Asymmetric threats Joined Military Intelligence Directorate – HNDGS Thank you, Chairman. Ladies and Gentlemen, As a physician I know very well that after a very good meal, at this moment our organisms are in a state of increased peptic activity which is accompanied by a slight drowsiness. I will try with a lot of photographic material to go through an issue which is multidimensional and extremely hard to manage. The issue we are going to talk about is CBRN crisis management in an urban environment. That means we will talk about the crisis and its management, the objectives and the CBRN threats, what happens during a CBRN attack in an urban environment, which forces will deal with such an incident, what is the current situation both at an operational as well as at a healthcare level and finally some conclusions. As you all know or may know, crisis is a Greek word which defines the mental activity defining the relationship between the concepts, compares and tells apart the differences. At an operational level, I will borrow a term from the US General Staff which mentions that a crisis is a situation that contains a threat to the United States, its territories, its citizens, the military forces and vital interests, develops rapidly and creates such conditions of diplomatic, economic, political or military importance as to envision the possibility of use of military might in order to achieve national goals. Professor Charles Herman also mentions that a crisis is a situation characterized by surprise, high risk for important values and little reaction time. Power Point presentation available. Click here. 244 The Chinese approach to the term “crisis”, essentially consisting of two ideograms – yiei and zi - is particularly interesting. Yiei represents a confrontation with a very powerful animal and represents danger while zi depicts an open space and an opportunity, which means that within the crisis we have two other parameters, danger and opportunity for future actions. Crisis management: according to Burnet crisis management constitutes a strategic problem, the resolution of which has to do with the activation of the six basic stages of the strategic management procedure. Analysis of the environment and definition of goals, definition and evaluation of a strategy, implementation of the strategy and strategic control. Also, according to Ian Microf, crisis management is a way of thinking and a procedure which dictates, on a daily basis, the decisions and the activities of an organization or a country. The immediate goal is to contribute to the prevention of potential crises and to effectively handle unavoidable crises. This is the urban environment on which we will focus our attention. We can see the big cities all over the world with the population expected for the next twenty years. Which are the goals, the CBRN goals? As you can see, they are goals which encompass a great deal of people, such as public transportation means, airports and ports, public buildings, commercial centers and streets, athletic centers and hospitals. Once the Cross represented a place respected by everyone; this is probably a pleasant memory. What are the dangers that a big city or even a modern urban center may face? Biological warfare, epidemics or pandemics, industrial accidents of a large extent, chemical warfare and a series of radiological nuclear 245 threats: the dirty bomb, nuclear weapons, nuclear accidents and all of these of course also include the explosives parameter which almost always accompanies them. Let’s examine an attack using biological weapons. There are different stages, starting from the release of the biological agent, suddenly patients start arriving at hospitals. At this point the government realizes there’s a problem, patients overrun hospitals, the state starts taking measures and of course the epidemic or pandemic is simply a matter of days, depending on the incubation period of the biological agent used. This is why this stage is very important, i.e. without the proper surveillance we would not be able to notice what is going on, we would have already lost the first stage, get wind of it at the second stage and the game is played at this point in time, whether we will be able to react in time to prevent an even worse situation. I would like to remind you of the SARS pandemic and the turmoil it caused all over the world, the story with the H5N1 bird flu, a story which is not yet over and as it seems will continue being an important issue in the future as well. An attack with biological weapon. Health casualties after the hypothetical release of a bio-terrorist agent with regard to the dead and patients depending on the biological weapon or the biological agent used. You can see many zeros in both the numbers of the deceased and the patients. This is why the English have a lovely expression, i.e. they say “if you hear these hoof beats, think of the zebras”, which means that if you notice many of these symptoms, wait for something very unpleasant. And it is very important that these do not disappear without being evaluated; but for someone to evaluate them, they must know that they exist. 246 An attack with nuclear weapons. I think that crisis management in this case is a bad joke. Whatever remains and with whatever remains we will try to deal with health casualties and God help us. Accident at a nuclear plant. We remember the Chernobyl story in 1986. We can see that very far and very near are two relative concepts; within ten days from up here, it came down to Greece, so despite the thousands and thousands of kilometers that separate the two countries, very far is extremely near and not only that, but the future is always unpleasant because the consequences from radioactivity might henceforth begin to become clear. An attack with a dirty bomb, i.e. conventional explosives and weapons with a radioactive source. Two small scenarios: one in Hide Park; the explosion takes place here. As you can see the whole Manhattan area is reduced to a deserted area. The second scenario, near the White house; you can see health casualties, dead, and of course the entire area is out of reach. And after the dirty weapons, we have something even more modern: the dirty human. I would like to remind you of the story of Alexander Litvinenko, where one man, one dead man caused great turmoil where 33.000 passengers were involved, 30 countries and crisis management cost approximately 2.000.000 English pounds and only one contaminated person was found. Attack with chemical weapons. Let’s see what happens – this also applies to radiological weapons – when there is an attack in an urban center. At some point, suddenly, there is an explosion, approximately 20% of the health losses will remain on site because they are either dead, injured or contaminated. However, 80% of the people will run in every possible direction and if there is a health problem towards every existing hospital irrespective of its size or whether it is a civilian, military 247 or private hospital seeking help. Then, the fire brigade, the police, the special forces, civil protection will hurry to the scene to deal with the situation. A third number we must keep in mind are the worried healthy people. The ration of victims to worried healthy people is 1:5 and this ration will soon lead to the collapse of the most organized healthcare system in the world. This is the evolution of an attack with chemical weapons at 11 minutes, 21 minutes and 30 minutes and here we must keep in mind that this is not an attack with chemical weapons, chemical ammunition in the battlefield between two enemy armies; it is in an urban environment where we need to take into account when we consider the planning, many characteristics in the urban canyons such as the airflow and the dissemination and the specificities it has in tall buildings, low buildings etc. The first agents will get to the scene with their special gear, they will select samples, report on the situation, try to discover what was released and then there will be a massive decontamination if there is only one target, if there are no more threats, if the authorities are located around the perimeter etc. So, in reality it might be somewhat unlikely to see such situations being handled. As we said, the majority of the victims will reach a hospital. Let’s take one hospital: as you see, people are flocking to hospitals, but they are not all patient and they don't all sit and wait for their turn; someone may jump over a fence and try to get in, which means we need to have a lot of security personnel and then there is a procedure to check whether those coming in are contaminated, whether they are injured, where various paths are followed to finally get to the selection, the triage, where those who have a real problem will be hospitalized and the others will leave the hospital with instructions about what to do in case they are contaminated and are not simply worried healthy people. 248 In 1995 the person in this picture, a member of AUM Shinrikyo attacked the Tokyo subway with sarin gas. These situation are not theoretical; they stopped being theoretical at the St Luke’s hospital where the external patient rooms and hallways were filled with victims, 5.000 people arrived at all the hospitals and all the clinics in Tokyo, irrespective of the fact that the dead were only a few dozens. So, we should keep at the back of our minds that the disaster does not only concern buildings, but people as well and that this kind of disaster could happen to us, too, which is something that we tend to forget or put under the rug. Large-scale biomechanical accidents. Here I would like to mention the Union Carbide tragedy in Bhopal, the AZF plant in Toulouse in September 2001 and our own, the big explosion and fire at Jet Oil which cost human lives; In such accidents chemical substances can be released which, in an urban environment, are as catastrophic as any chemical warfare. After 9/11, many manuals, instructions, directions, strategic plans were written, printed, published, new ministries were formed, etc; but what did this fix? What was the result of all of these? Things don't seem very good. Two examples: a transatlantic one from the US that faces the biggest problem. In a report, “Ready or not – 2006”, it was clear that only one state met the ten criteria and many serious observations were made that you will be able to read on your own. The same report in 2007 stated that eight states now met the ten criteria, but a lot of work has been done in the other states as well. However, there still are many important observations. Let’s cross the Atlantic to our continent, to Austria. You can see here a study which was conducted in all the emergency care hospitals of the country. The results are disappointing; it seems that the healthcare personnel, doctors and nurses, do not have a good relationship with 249 CBRN defenses and something should be done about that. The same goes for a second study from European Union which demonstrates that the most important problem in all countries is in fact tied to medicinal products, mainly antiviral and pox medication as well as on organizational issues while there are many differences from country to country. The results of the “See Threat” program are also very important; you can see some examples on the internet. The Athens University Medical School is heading this program which aims at the creation of an educational package which will include the knowledge and information that doctors and nurses working at civilian and military hospitals should have in order to clinically cope with the new threats i.e. threat from chemical, biological and radiological agents in time. Now, let’s quickly take a look at some results; let’s say, the capacity to discern between natural and terrorist incidents. As you can see, the percentages concerning chemical, biological and radiological incidents are not very promising. The numbers concerning how well- prepared the healthcare personnel is to identify chemical, biological and radiological agents are not very encouraging either. Let’s move on to the level of knowledge concerning the various agents. As you can see here, doctors and nurses did much better with respect to biological weapons, perhaps because this is our job on a daily basis, but with regard to nerve gases and mustard you see that the results are not very good. And to confirm this, we also asked the CBRN defense professionals from 16 countries what percentage of first line healthcare personnel in their country was prepared well enough to identify and deal with biological attacks, chemical attacks and attacks using a dirty bomb. I would say that this cartoon represents the results of this question to the specialized personnel, so there’s still a lot of work to be done. 250 CBRN crisis management in an urban environment, I believe, comprises three stages: preparation, coping with the crisis and recovery. Preparation, planning is based on information, equipment and training. I believe that the problem in planning CBRN crisis management has to do with our giving too much emphasis on equipment and operational training instead of training those who will be called to deal with the thousands of health losses for many years to come. And of course there is a big question mark in the preparation for recovery since it is very difficult to predict the exact extent of the disaster. In CBRN crisis management in an urban environment we have the participation of the armed forces, civil protection, international aid in this order. During the Olympic Games, as you heard from the previous speakers, we had a very good and very detailed although multidimensional, complex plan in four levels - political, military, operational and tactical – and two big crisis management groups and consequences management groups. Fortunately, none of these was needed. The US also have similar teams, the weapons of mass destruction civil support teams in every state, and some states have two teams, which are mobilized to help the state if such an incident should occur. However, what is important – and I was really happy to hear Mr General mentioning it – I believe is the civilian defense because what are all these instructions good for when you are asking the population to perform a sheltering place and they don’t even understand what you are talking about. So, what they usually do is go out into the streets and provoke havoc. The conclusion: CBRN crisis management in an urban environment continues to be problematic on an international level. CBRN operations last a couple of hours, while CBRN health consequences and losses last decades and here allow me to show you two pictures from training in 251 Tehran in 2003 from the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons where we had the “chance” and opportunity to examine real losses from the Iran-Iraq chemical war. At an external practice where cases were brought on a daily basis – dermatological, pulmonary, ophtalmological and pathological – and we saw real losses. This girl was a small child in 1987 with her family which you can also see here and when we examined her she was practically blind and had a very serious respiratory problem and a very low life expectancy and all this many years after 1987. The healthcare personnel must be properly trained, well-equipped to be able to rapidly and effectively deal with CBRN losses. Perhaps a good suggestion on an international level would be to introduce a course of CBRN defense treatment at the Medical and Nursing Schools in the last years, so that apart from all other knowledge, new doctors and nurses would have very basic knowledge of this, so as not to be surprised in case they are called to deal with a CBRN weapon attack. And finally, I would like to stress once more the special importance that should be given to urban defense. Before closing I would like you to remember something that did not appear on the screen. There, under that sign, there was a quote by the IRA representative after the unsuccessful murder attempt on Margaret Thatcher’s life, saying that “She must be lucky every day; we only need to get lucky once.” Thank you very much for your attention. Back to agenda 252 253 “The Hellenic Center of Health Operations and Crisis Management” Mr Spirou, Deputy Director of the Hellenic Center of Health Operations Good afternoon from me as well. I would like to thank the Ministry of National Defense for the invitation. Esteemed Chairman, General, esteemed participants, perhaps my presentation will be a little lighter because it was quite at the last moment for me. I will refer to the organization, functioning and the role of the National Center of Health Operations which was established during the Olympic Games to cover the healthcare needs and still exists today with a four year lifespan and participates in the management of the acute public health matter. In June 2005, we had to also participate, after Presidential Decree, in the daily rotating duties which of course is not an emergency and crisis management in the sense of everything that was previously mentioned, but it is often a sort of crisis management in the Greek reality. The objective of this measure was to offer additional beds at the time and better quality of life and of course it is something that is being controlled until today. In February 2007, the health coordination body was re-named “Center of Health Operations”. Apart form our own center, during the Olympics we also had another one functioning at the Main Press Center where the reporters were accommodated. There is another one in Thessaloniki and three other operational centers under development in Heraklion, Larissa, Patra. This is a picture of our center of operations as it is today with modern technological equipment, high tech equipment I would say, with a rapid Presentation in .pdf format available. Click here 254 information flow and immediate response. Let me make a reference to the basic structure of the health system: During crisis management there is always cooperation with the political leadership of course, with the minister, the deputy ministers and we try to coordinate the activities together with the chairmen of the seven healthcare divisions in Greece and the National Center for Emergency Situations (EKAB) and the Hellenic Center for Infectious Diseases Control (KEEL). Here is a reference to the structure of the National Center of Health Operations with its council, the chairman and the deputy chairman that we cannot see here, with its healthcare divisions and the relative branches. What are our objectives? To coordinate the operation of the health subsystems, wherever necessary, to implement actions concerning public health and of course to cope with emergency situations which is also the controversial point. Sectors of intervention: Accidents. Mr Tsounakis already mentioned the Helios accident, we were there, it was a very important lesson for us as well, because we had the know-how from the Olympic Games and we were able to handle it in a competent manner as we had hoped. Pre-hospital healthcare, EKAB. There is daily involvement of the two operational centers on a 24-hour basis. This may concern a simple incident concerning the transportation of a patient because one clinic may be full or it could be something very important for the management of any crisis. Hospital healthcare. It is important that we, as an operational center, have approximately eighty physicians at the given time 255 and that on every duty there is communication with the administration of the hospitals, the administrator and the deputy administrator, mainly the latter since he is also the head of duty control and assessment. Therefore, given the ministerial decree which appoints him to this position, we are in daily contact with him for various problems and of course crisis management if the need for it should occur. Primary healthcare. I will not talk about this. Environmental healthcare. Just a quick reference to rotating duties: at the moment a hospital is on duty from half past two in the afternoon till eight the next morning, while in the past, hospitals were on duty four days in a row. Now there have been some modifications to be better able to manage additional beds and this is where we cooperate with KEEL, PNO and the Hellenic Police and any other competent authority concerning migrants, but usually the interventions are made by KEEL. Operations coordination in case of massive disasters, earthquakes, floods, fires, road accidents, aircraft crashes, as it was mentioned earlier and of course lately we also have boat accidents. Management of major disasters caused by chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear agents. We also participated in all the Olympic educational seminars, we are trying to attend all of the exercises which they organize. There is great cooperation with the other centers of operations, the General Secretariat for Civil Protection, the Fire Departments operational center, the coast guard and of course all these European organizations. We also participated in a series of exercises which were conducted with ECDC. Implementation of operational plans. There is “Filoktitis” concerning the management of a biological, radiological, chemical problem; “Perseus”, concerning emergency situations 256 at our hospitals, a flu pandemic, as was mentioned by a previous speaker; and here we have the operational plan “Artemis” to which a lot of attention must be paid and as of lately we have “Sostratos”, another operational plan for the management of earthquakes which was implemented with the relocation of the St Andreas hospital in Rio, in Patra, after the recent earthquakes. Here we have a reference to our actions starting from the past, the Olympic Games: Sri Lanka, the aircraft crash, the Polonium, major athletic games like the Champions League, Eurovision is never mentioned, the recent fires that we had last summer, Albania and Myanmar. We try to participate by sending specialized personnel, doctors, pathologists, surgeons, orthopedics, by sending medicinal products and of course tents for the injured people. This concerns Albania. The slide does not show the colors very well. There was an immediate response to the explosion which occurred in Albania within four hours and there were two missions with specialized medical and paramedical personnel, medical technological equipment and of course we contributed in the selection of patients who were sent to the hospitals of Ioannina and Thessaloniki – here is a picture of the C130. This is a picture of last year's fires, the flaming rage, where we also participated with the establishment of a crisis management center, by sending ambulances from Athens and Corinth and by implementing the “Perseus” plan. What actions were taken during the fires: We created a social support center where political figures were present. The objective of this center was the psychosocial support, healthcare and protection of the public health. 257 Here there is a small reference to the Eurovision part in which we participated with medical supplies, infrastructure control and specialized personnel. Here we have the August 2005 airplane accident, which for us was really a great experience. We already had of course the knowledge from the Olympic Games and therefore we were able to mobilize at once, we managed to activate seven big hospitals, we had excellent cooperation with the EKAB, we sent the relevant specialized personnel and of course special psychological support units were put into operation, which for us was a first I would say… we had the knowledge, but we had never put the scenario into effect until that point and we saw that being able to cope with human pain at that time was extremely important. It was very difficult to deal with the presence of the relatives of the victims and their pain, who were arriving at the scene from various places. This picture of the ambulances I could say helped us a lot with our image on an international level through the media, but in the long run, if we look at it a little more strictly, operationally the fact that all of these had only one escape route may not have been our best decision. I don’t know that for sure, but it is an image that helped a lot. Sri Lanka: we also contributed with a humanitarian mission, helping with the organization and the equipment of a floating clinic, with medicinal coverage and in collaboration with Interpol to identify the victims. And here due to the Polonium, as mentioned by previous speakers, there was an important mobilization and 830 people were tracked down and. In this case as well our cooperation with KEELPNO was also very important. 258 Here is a mention to the Champions League concerning the health coverage framework and the Olympic Games, which for us was the beginning, the point of departure. The Ministry of Health had up until then a coordination body which was then transformed into the National Center of Health Operations. I would just like to mention, that at that time, in 2004, we had to coordinate 24 Olympic hospitals, 16 Olympic emergency divisions, the CBRN hospitals, hospitals for the special Olympics, the daily reports and of course the organization of healthcare controls aboard cruise ships. What was important to us was that we were able to coordinate the operation of two Athens hospitals as isolation, quarantine hospitals to cover extremely infectious diseases. Some exercises were performed in hospitals, having as a starting point the Olympics, and it is important for us that other such exercises should be performed because the existing knowledge must be maintained and of course it is very important that we be well-prepared and ready through constant training to respond to the situations at hand. To conclude, I would like to say that our action motto is good planning and immediate and effective operational readiness. However, in order to do anything, you need to keep in mind that you must deal with people who want to do the same as you, the opposite from you and mostly the majority of people who do absolutely nothing and judge you. Thank you. Back to agenda 259 Conclusions Chairman: Thank you very much for your attention and for your patience and indulgence for two and half days, almost three days of - I hope – very interesting discussions and debates. I know that the time is running short and it will be a great opportunity for you to enjoy the afternoon and evening in Athens, so we’ll try to make it short. Now is the session of course of recapitulating the works of the conference so I would like to pass the floor to Secretary General of Information, Mr Livadas, the moderator for the Media session. Mr Livadas, you have the floor. Mr Livadas: Good afternoon. Coming from the communications standpoint and if one had to choose within a few minutes to incorporate the most important things, I would isolate: 1. The most important thing during the communicational crisis management is retaining and protecting the authorities’ credibility. It is true that credibility isn’t built within a moment of crisis; it’s built within time, in a daily fashion, business as usual circumstances, but it should be protected during a crisis both because of the importance of the crisis itself, but also because - chances are - it isn’t going to be the last crisis. So you want that capital in the future. 2. The second point that I would like to highlight is inter-organization cooperation and coordination. It is true that all of us are doing our best to make sure that our own organization functions in the most efficient way, but sometimes we miss the fact that in order for our organization to function efficiently we depend on another organization or other organizations and vice versa. And that’s why it is extremely important to know the demands and the problems of 260 the rest of the organizations to coordinate ourselves, because the bottom line is that the authorities, the state has to speak in one language and broadcast a single message. In today’s media environment differences in what one organization and what the other organization says is the best gift you can give to a medium or to a journalist, because within their competitive environment everyone tries to find those differences, those exaggerations, etc, etc, because everyone is trying and is forced to build some reality and have competitive advantages as far as the competitive medium is concerned. So the least the authorities could do is speak with one language and broadcast one single message. 3. Third is the time considerations. Yes, we need to be prompt and yes, we need to be speedy and yes, we need to incorporate the time constraints that the media have to do especially because you want to confirm to them that communicating in a transparent way your messages and informing the public is a top priority. So you need to work on that; and actually there are very practical rules, the so-called “golden hour” rule which means that within the first 60 or 90 minutes to talk in approximate terms. You need to have the first message sent - what is called the soft statement – which has to have secure, factual first data that basically shows to the media that you are there, that the state is there, that it’s the top priority to inform the journalists and through them the public opinion and thus securing the fact that the media recognize you as a credible information source – because it’s information that they need most of all – and by default they’re not going to search for information elsewhere and that is good because chances are that they are going to find the truth half, the information compartmentalized or distorted. 261 So, you want to have credibility with them; you want to inform them immediately. But that under the supposition that speed will not endanger operational aspects, because sometimes those two things are not getting along very well. So, if someone really needs to isolate one or two factors, it’s credibility, it is cooperation and it is speed under the presupposition that I talked about. How about that for five minutes, Mr Chairman, and I’ll be very willing to discuss if someone wants to elaborate on something further. Chairman: Excellent. Thank you very much, Mr Secretary General, Mr Livadas. I then could pass the floor and ask Professor Mazis to recapitulate on the Middle East session. Thank you. Professor Mazis: Thank you very much, Mr Chairman. During the session on the Middle East we heard some very interesting opinions. First of all, we heard the presentation of Mr Nachmani who – we must say – kept a quite low profile approach mentioning that the Arab-Israeli conflict until the present days proves that neither the Arab nor the Israeli side is alone responsible, but that the responsibility is divided between them. He mentioned that concerning the Israeli state the problem with certain powers, certain countries of the region lies before a big question mark which is caused by the denial of the existence of this state. Then he posed some questions on the role of Russia and Turkey in the Middle East stating that Russia is starting to find its role in the Middle East again - of course it’s too soon to say that it has re-assumed the place it held before the Cold War – and Turkey is trying – given that it’s a state with a Muslim civilization - to play, let's say, this card of promoting 262 its cultural views in order to participate in the establishment of peace and stability in the region. He also spoke about the anti-Americanism which characterizes, from a cultural point of view, most of the peoples of the region and mainly the Arab and Muslim peoples of the region and often there are good solutions that we could objectively judge as such, but they cannot be applied though, simply because they were proposed by the Americans. Professor Koutsis presented us a rather pessimist aspect of the developments in the Middle East saying that there is a lot of hypocrisy in this region stressing that the Palestinian position and that of the Arab peoples of the region is not so good vis-à-vis Western policies and mainly American giving at the same time a rather obscure image of the political situation. Mr Iakovou, whose text was read by Mr Toumazis, spoke to us with a rather technocratic spirit of Cyprus’ future, stressing the issue of the geographical youth which characterizes Cyprus. He spoke of the water issue which could be very serious for the future if no one deals with it now while it’s still at the beginning. He also mentioned the fanaticism issue which must necessarily be dealt with as well as the bad timing which has characterized all efforts up to now to find a solution to the Cyprus issue. Mr Nomikos Ioannis spoke of the necessity to create an information network between the Western and the local powers in order to be able to deal with terrorism and organized crime in a more efficient way in the Western Mediterranean region. And finally, I would say that after this discussion, the image which was presented concerning the Middle East was neither obscure nor bright, but an image which could be ameliorated through the will of the 263 Mediterranean peoples and the will of the Great Powers who think that they have a certain national interest in this troubled region. I believe that this is a quite realistic image, we couldn’t argue with that and the message is, in my opinion, rather optimistic. Thank you. Chairman: Thank you very much, Professor. I would now like to pass the floor to our colleague, Mr Kintis, for the session on international organizations and crisis management. Mr Kintis: Thank you, Ambassador. I think that what has become evident from the presentations and the subsequent interventions on the issue of crisis management and international organizations and their role in crisis management is that transatlantic security at the beginning of the 21st century is deeply institutionalized. States cooperate with each other in a range of different institutions and across the spectrum of different security issues. In particular, the national security and defense policies of the members of the EU and NATO are increasingly coordinated and integrated into common policies towards external security challenges and crises. The existence and development of the European Union, NATO and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe is in part a reflection of the emergence of the transatlantic security community. Freed from the past risk of war with one another, the members of this community view now external problems rather than each other as a primary threat to their security. Combined with the consolidation of common democratic values this has facilitated the emergence of broad security interests among the members of the transatlantic security community. In this context, it was clearly pointed out during our session that it is hardly surprising that the countries of Western Union joined since the end 264 of the Cold War by the new democracies of Central and Eastern Europe have sought to deal and manage crises through institutions such as the EU and NATO. These institutions provide a mechanism for countries to address common security challenges, to increase their leverage vis-à-vis those security challenges by acting collectively and therefore to deal with crises in an effective and efficient manner. Finally, from the discussions during the session on crisis management, it has become apparent that the development of security institutions may also be a self-reinforcing process. Members of these institutions and the functional dynamics of cooperation reinforce perceptions of common interest and help to create the sense of common identity on which these institutions are in part based. All in all I would say that in the period of change and reform that the transatlantic community is experiencing, there still remain different perceptions of risks and security challenges. The character of these risks and challenges is such that no organization can cope alone with elements of early warning, preventive diplomacy, crisis management and conflict rehabilitation. The aim should be to enhance and maximize the degree and extent of cooperation, coordination and complimentarity among overlapping security oriented organizations. This, as it was pointed out by all speakers during the morning session will ensure that the comparative advantages of each organization can be combined and fully exploited in the pursuit of peace and stability. One final remark and I’ll stop here: I would like to congratulate and thank the organizers of this crisis management seminar and especially Ambassador Stoidis and in particular Brigadier General Basiakoulis, Commander Tsiantoulas and of course last but not least Mrs Fola for 265 putting together such an excellent conference. Thank you very much, Mr Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr Kintis. You are ever so kind to thank us in person. Thank you very much for your contribution. Professor Tsapanos, please, for the session on response to disasters. You have the floor, Professor. Dr Tsapanos: Thank you, Chairman. Well, the crisis management problem is a multidisciplinary event. We were lucky to have the crucial event of the Olympic Games in 2004 in Greece and this is very good not only from a theoretical point of view but also from a practical point of view. We have two kinds of crises: the natural disasters and the man-made disasters as the speakers of my sessions told us. As natural hazards, I can mention earthquakes, fires in urban sites or forest fires, floods, landslides and volcanic eruptions. The most common in Greece is earthquakes, fires and floods. We don’t have landslides very often and we rarely have volcanic eruptions. These natural hazards, these natural disasters are faced by the General Secretariat of Civil Protection as Mr Mouzas told us and the man-made disasters are accidents – traffic or airplane accidents – as Mr Galatas told us and chemical, biological or radiological, let’s say, wars. In crisis management there are 43 authorities which contribute to the management of such crisis. As the speakers told us the problem must be faced at the beginning of the event. The Olympic Games give us the opportunity to prepare to face such kind of problems early. There are three steps: scenarios, plans and exercises of the population, especially the children in schools which behave as a multiplying factor of 266 knowledge. They go home and tell their parents that they learned about such things in school. As a conclusion we can say that crisis management in Greece is in a very good position and this was very recently shown in the recent earthquake in the Ileia area were we had injured people and homeless people and all the authorities which are involved in such kind of problems were there from the first hours, the injured people were taken very quickly to hospitals, tents and camps were installed to accomodate the homeless people. Improvements and steps forward can be made and national cooperations are welcome as well. Thank you very much. Chairman: Thank you, Professor. Allow me to just share some final thoughts with you. I think that during these days member-states have confirmed their commitment and the initiatives they undertake to create capabilities and assets to respond effectively and credibly to crisis management challenges. Afghanistan and Chad are the current priorities where the international community tries to react and respond in a comprehensive manner in order that stability, normality, normalcy, human rights protection prevail. The missions that we undertake should define the capabilities and not vice versa. Individual states and international organizations - we feel – would rather be operationally apt to respond whenever an appropriate crisis arises but not on the grounds of disposing capabilities or assets for the sake of using them. The concern that we all share in seeking the peaceful resolution of crises through enhancing constructive dialogues, conciliatory moods, good neighborness is manifested in the cases of Southeastern Europe and in particular the Western Balkans as well as the Middle East. I’ll make a small parenthesis, allow me to say that unfortunately the moderator on 267 the Western Balkans session could not be with us this afternoon, so after the conference you will be receiving the procès verbal, the minutes of this conference. So I will continue, if I may. Then again effective, flexible and practical cooperation among various international actors appears to be not only useful but imperative in order to bear tangible results to the people that are in need. Equally solidarity which is a principle that we share and feel dear about in Greece, a common effort is necessary for coping as best and as fast as possible with the consequences of increasingly frequent natural disasters. Natural disasters do not have borders and can potentially evolve in full scale crisis management. Now, with these remarks I feel that we all realize the relevance of crisis management in conflict resolution and our quest for stability, security and development. I hope that this conference, “Athena 2008”, provided, offered a small contribution to this debate and all this was due to your participation and active involvement in these days and for your involvement for which we are immensely appreciative. We are very grateful to the moderators for the excellent way you conducted your sessions. We thank you very much. We thank of course all the speakers for the eloquence with which they presented their speeches in front of you, a very big thank you for the organizers and all the people that helped make this conference possible. So, looking forward to seeing you in numbers next year, we wish you a safe return back home and pleasant summer holidays. Thank you very much for all being here. Back to agenda 268