Georges Testing:Hi there. This is a test of the chat.
Georges Testing:Working.
Asiago:I see it, good test
Asiago:The audio skips a little bit
Maria Rodriguez:Hello, I just logged in as guest. I was on way to austin from dfw
area and had car trouble so I will try to view event instead. thank you.
Heera Kang:Welcome to the Power of Openness symposium at UT Austin. I will be
online with you through the event, so please join in with your comments and
questions.
Jon Perkins 2:Good morning everyone
Wen-Hua Teng:Thanks! Heera. I just wanted to say that streaming makes openness
even more powerful
Jon Perkins:Test
Heera Kang:Excellent. Please feel free to introduce yourself and let us know where
you're tuning in from.
Wen-Hua Teng:I can hear you very well.
Luciana Lage:Hi! I am watching from Oakland, CA. Very glad to be here.
Maria Rodriguez:I am watching from the dfw area. Sound is a little on the low side.
Luciana Lage:I don't have sound. I'm getting a download error when I try to install
the add-in
Heera Kang:Hi Luciana - Can you try a different browser?
Karen Kelton:Hi everyone, my name is Karen Kelton. I am out of town, but I work
for COERLL, too.
Lisa Katzenstein:I am here as well.
georges:Hi Karen! Wish you were here, but I will settle for a virtual Karen! ; )
Karen Kelton:Thanks!
Lynda Jentsch:Lynda Jentsch watching and listening from Samford University,
Alabama
Keah Cunningham:tuning in from the University of Kansas
Lynda Jentsch:Image is dark
Lisa Katzenstein:I missed the very first couple of minutes. Did he say that handout
would be available online? If so, where?
Wen-Hua Teng:I am in Austin. I just wanted to try the streaming and will be at the
symposium in the afternoon.
georges:online at the coerll website, lisa
Keah Cunningham:Second on image being dark. Any way the video could be
adjusted to not have the bright projection screen in frame?
Lisa Katzenstein:Thanks, Georges.
Heera Kang:Thanks, Keah. We're working on the darkness of the webcam.
Karen Kelton:The image is great now!
Lynda Jentsch:Yes, great!
Keah Cunningham:Agreed. Thanks!
Wen-Hua Teng:Both the image and sound are excellent.
Luciana Lage:I restarted my computer and all is working now. Thanks!
Lisa Katzenstein:Sound is faint on video. I can't turn it up any higher on my
computer.
Heera Kang:Great, Luciana!
Shahla Adel:I just joined. Sound and image are both excellent!
Heera Kang:Lisa - Have you turned the speaker volume using the dropdown option
at the top? It might also be better using headphones.
Lisa Katzenstein:It's not helping, but I can hear the speaker, it was the video that
was the problem. I don't have any headsets, alas.
Heera Kang:Lisa - Glad you can hear us. Here's the link to that open education
video, if you want to try to watch it later.
Sonia Dupre:Hi, I am in Houston, glad to join you all
Pat Mosele:Hello to everyone from Boulder, Colorado!
Karen Kelton:Hi Pat, glad you could join us!
Pat Mosele:Hi, Karen
Lisa Katzenstein:Heera, Thanks.
Heera Kang:Woops, I forgot to give you the link.
http://whyopenedmatters.org/videos/ :)
georges:Hi Sonia! Georges from CyFair here. ; )
Lisa Katzenstein:Is anybody else having the speaker freeze on them
sometimes? I'm having this problem.
Karen Kelton:My video is streaming fine.
georges:video good here
Pat Mosele:mine is good, too
Maria Rodriguez:viewing good
Sonia Dupre:Hello Georges! This is very good!
Sonia Dupre:my sound is a little low but OK
Lisa Katzenstein:I guess it must be my antique computer. More incentive to get a
new one.
Gorkem:both video and sound are ok here
Gorkem:nop they are both freezing
Rachael Gilg:Slides for this presentation are now available at
http://sites.la.utexas.edu/power-of-openness/material/
Pat Mosele:Thanks, Rachael
Wen-Hua Teng:Thanks, Rachael! Are these slides also CC?
Rachael Gilg:Yes - the slides are CC-BY. I'll also post the original Powerpoints later
for easier reuse. :)
Wen-Hua Teng:Great! I am finding streaming an even more engaging experience. I
feel that I am more focused.
Evan @ LARC:Hi Rachael
Rachael Gilg:Hi Evan!
Heera Kang:Sorry some of you are having trouble with video and sound. Looks like
these are isolated problems. You can access the powerpoint presentations now and
we'll post video of the speakers on the COERLL site later so you can review sections
you missed.
lisa katzenstein:I was frozen for over a minute. I had to relog in. I guess that's
going to have to be what I'll need to do. If you have any other ideas, please let me
know.
Asiago:YAY Conversa Brasleira!
Luciana Lage:We at Street Smart Brazil are big fans of Conversa Brasileira :)
Asiago:;) A gente adora vc tambem! (We like you too!)
Heera Kang:Hi Lisa - For now, restarting seems like the best resolution. This is our
first streaming event -- we hope the technical issues can be resolved as we learn
more.
Luciana Lage::)
Keah Cunningham:Lisa - Maybe your Flash Player needs to be updated
(http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer)?
Heera Kang:Thanks, Keah!
Keah Cunningham::) - http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer
lisa katzenstein:Will downloading this software be advisable while the
presentation is going on? I don't want to be distracted as this Webinar is taking
place. I might try it during a break, if we get one. Thanks.
Rachael Gilg:The Q&A will be starting soon, so post any questions you have here
and we will pass them along to the presenter.
Lisa Katzenstein:I downloaded Adobe. I froze. I reentered the presentation. I have
s screen with "Nothing is being shared." What now?
Evan @ LARC:Same here
Pat Mosele 2:Same here
Maria Rodriguez:same here
Shahla Adel 2:No image or sound!
Lynda Jentsch:All frozen on "nothing being shared" for me, too. When does next
session start?
Shahla Adel 2:Can we still post questions?
Karen Kelton:Heera, are you still there?
Evan @ LARC:I'm sure they are working on a solution
GeorgesCyFair:They had a disconnect. Theyre coming back.
GeorgesCyFair:working on it now
GeorgesCyFair:(I am in the room)
Karen Kelton:Thanks, Georges. Can you pass along key discussion points?
GeorgesCyFair:There was just a question about how to handle quality control with
"little" OERs
GeorgesCyFair:Carl is saying that you never know what the consequences are when
you open up materials
GeorgesCyFair:so, you have to be prepared for input from people you dont know or
never knew youd hear from
GeorgesCyFair:You WILL find materials that are "cringe worthy"
Karen Kelton:LOL
GeorgesCyFair:It's up to you, the instructor, to point these out to your learners
when you come across them
GeorgesCyFair:(just as you might with a publisher's book that has mistakes)
GeorgesCyFair:New question:
GeorgesCyFair:Too many people logging in and using an OER means it slows down
and crashes
Lisa Katzenstein:LIke now?
GeorgesCyFair:live by tech? DIE BY TECH!
GeorgesCyFair:Exactly, LISA! lol
GeorgesCyFair:teachers should find 'work'arounds'
GeorgesCyFair:have a back up plan for no matter what you are using/doing
GeorgesCyFair:whether it's tech based or not
GeorgesCyFair:(like some guy named georges who types the conference in the chat
room)
Pat Mosele 2:Like Jack Bauer said, "Always have a Plan B."
GeorgesCyFair:just a minute
GeorgesCyFair:new question:
GeorgesCyFair:prof just signed a contract to do an arabic text
GeorgesCyFair:she is wondering if there is justification to do texts "the old way"
GeorgesCyFair:as opposed to a tech based OER version
GeorgesCyFair:answer: to get a royalty check? probably not...
GeorgesCyFair:some schools require a pub sponsored publication for tenure
GeorgesCyFair:you should look into your institution's tenure/promotion policies
with regards to OERs
GeorgesCyFair:(yes, Pat!)
GeorgesCyFair:Let me ask a question from the group... anyone?
GeorgesCyFair:(people online... you have a question?_
Evan @ LARC:Question: What are your strategies for advertising/publicizing your
OER products to get users?
GeorgesCyFair:answer:
GeorgesCyFair:(evan)
GeorgesCyFair:conference attendance
GeorgesCyFair:facebook site
GeorgesCyFair: social media
GeorgesCyFair:materials online and searchable
GeorgesCyFair:google analytics = cool stuff
GeorgesCyFair:make them available in clearing houses like MERLOT, etc
GeorgesCyFair:we're taking a break
Evan @ LARC:thanks :)
GeorgesCyFair:ONLINE FOLKS: the ENTIRE university network is down right now
Karen Kelton: Thanks, Georges, for the play by play. That was fun!
Lisa Katzenstein:I published an article in "Texas Library Journal" in 1999. (I'm a
librarian>) It was posted online for a number of years, but has since
disappeared. Isn't that the danger of posting online?
GeorgesCyFair:I will give an update as soon as we find out something
GeorgesCyFair:please talk amongst yourselves and I PROMISE to come back ina
bit!!!!
Pat Mosele 2:Georges, you saved the day!
Pat Mosele 2:THanks
Evan @ LARC:Yes, thank you Georges
GeorgesCyFair:doing a work around right now be back ina bit
karen aiken 2:Thanks so much!!!
GeorgesCyFair:the UT folks are going to use my wifi hotspot to admin the adobe
session
GeorgesCyFair:please stand by
GeorgesCyFair:(if I vanish, the UT/COERLL people WILL come back!!!)
GeorgesCyFair:; )
GeorgesCyFair:good things we are on break
Karen Kelton:Cool! How many people are in attendance?
GeorgesCyFair:about 30
Rachael E Gilg:And, we're back!
GeorgesCyFair:but some have left the room for the break
GeorgesCyFair:so there may be more
Karen Kelton:Hurrah, Rachael!
GeorgesCyFair:ok, the COERLL folks are back on line
Evan @ LARC:great!!
GeorgesCyFair:I am turning over the steering wheel! lol
Asiago:hiphip hurrah!
Shahla Adel:I have no image of the speaker!
Lisa Katzenstein:No video, no sound.
karen aiken 2:I have sound but no video
Pat Mosele 2:I have sound, no video. Who is speaking?
Shahla Adel:Hi Nathalie!
Nathalie:We are working on getting everything back online. The network went
down at our university.
Karen Kelton:Pat, Carl Blyth is speaking.
Pat Mosele 2:ok
Nathalie:Hi Shahla. Glad you could join.
Shahla Adel:I got the image, too!
karen aiken 2:video is back
Shahla Adel:Thanks!
Karen Kelton:So, online folks, what was your reaction? Do you agree with what Carl
said?
Lisa Katzenstein:I still would like an opinion about materials online that vaporize,
like my article. Is online always a reliable safe way of posting research?
Heera Kang:Hi all - Sorry, all of UT lost internet access for a little while.
Pat Mosele 2:I am intrigued by the notion that OE and technology make consumers
into collaborators.
Evan @ LARC:I like the flexibility and ability to update material
Evan @ LARC:And integrate multiple types of media
Pat Mosele 2:For language teaching, I think that having the opportunity to integrate
multiple media is awesome.
Heera Kang:We're back online, and in about 10 mins we'll be sharing with you
what the folks here discussed in their breakout groups.
Karen Kelton:I agree, Pat. It's a fascinating concept, but Lisa does have a point.
Technology makes us dependent on infrastructures which sometimes break down
(like today! How often does UT's WHOLE network go down?)
Pat Mosele 2:Yes, I agree with you, Karen, and you, LIsa. Technology is great, when
it works.
Evan @ LARC:There are so many tools for publishing, its tough to know which to
use (ie COERLL uses drupal - Big learning curve)
Heera Kang:We'll also get caught up on the online dicussion we missed while we
were offline.
Pat Mosele 2:It seems to me that if teachers do not want to bother creating
materials, those of use in Foreign Language Education are facing a whole new
frontier with respect to creating pedagogical materials.
Karen Kelton:There are lots of easier solutions, though, too. WordPress is very
powerful, GoogleDocs, too.
Shahla Adel:What about less commonly taught languages? Will enough people be
interested after work is done?
Pat Mosele 2:The reward system for creating OER materials seems a bit vague to
me. Anyone agree?
Evan @ LARC:@Karen - Agree. There is a range from easy to complicated software
tools.
Karen Kelton:Reward system is a big problem. Most of the OER at UT in foreign
languages has been created by lecturers.
Pat Mosele 2:Yes, and the materials are great (re: Francais Interactif) but it takes
time and one still has to pay the bills.
Karen Kelton:The idea is that creating OER should be part of one's job as an
educator!
Pat Mosele 2:Yes, Karen, I agree. But when I mentioned OER to the new chair of my
dept, he had never heard of it.
Evan @ LARC:@Shahla - It seems there is a need for more LCTL resources. Create a
quality LCTL OER and it will be used, but the product has to be known by potential
users
Lisa Katzenstein:Please encourage speakers to speak closer to the mike.
Sherry Brown:yes, I can't hear either
Sherry Brown:Thanks!
Karen Kelton:Thanks for adjusting the mic volume!
Pat Mosele 2:Multiple media
Evan @ LARC:Prcatice and assessment material
Karen Kelton:reviseable exercises, but how to get these to the students?
Evan @ LARC:Accessable on mobile devices
Karen Kelton:Yes!
Rob:What's exciting is that they can truly be guided by the program or instructor's
vision without being filtered by the for-profit publishing industry.
Evan @ LARC:opps, accessible
Pat Mosele 2:Rob, Yes!
Evan @ LARC:paperless
Lisa Katzenstein:If I'm not mistaken, the language software QUIA has the
equivalent of an OER part where educators can post their grammar and vocabulary
exercises online. That all sounds good, but there are lots of typos and other
mistakes.. OERs need good editors!
Pat Mosele 2:What about games and simulations?
Karen Kelton:We've been using a lot of exercises from tv5.tv, but these need to be
revised. It's hard to modify materials that you find for the local environment.
Lisa Katzenstein:QUIA definitely does games, created by QUIA, that are pretty
good. I'm not aware of educator created games on QUIA, but I have not used QUIA in
a while.
Pat Mosele 2:IT would be cool to have a simulation that allows learners to
"experience" a virtual visit to a target culture.
Karen Kelton:Pat, I like that idea, but they're expensive to produce
Pat Mosele 2:Does anyone remember Montevidisco? Did that package work by
simulation?
Heera Kang:Yes, but this is our time to dream ;)
Karen Kelton:Unless we use websites that are produced for native speakers -virtual visits
Pat Mosele 2:If those web site visits could be controlled for language level, that
would be fun
Lisa Katzenstein:Anybody heard of a lip dub? High schools are doing them based
on an episode on the TV show, "The Office." Kids do a music video to a favorite
song, lip synching. You can find some lip dubs on YouTube. A lip dup to a popular
song in a foreign language would be great for the kids to perform in. They love
being on video.
Pat Mosele 2:That sounds like fun
Pat Mosele 2:Foreign language karaoke
Lisa Katzenstein:Yeah, that's a good one!
Karen Kelton:Yes, so how can we make it easier for teachers to put all of these
ideas together?
Lisa Katzenstein:Hold a "tech" camp each summer for foreign language teachers to
bring them up to speed on the evolving technology of OERs.
Pat Mosele 2:Yes, free!
Pat Mosele 2:ePortfolios
Karen Kelton:Constantly updated....that's the key.
Karen Kelton:How to organize all of these materials?
Pat Mosele 2:Maybe we need to think about changing what we teach?
Sherry Brown:I don't have sound again...is everyone else getting audio?
Pat Mosele 2:For example, maybe teaching French phonetics the traditional way is
no longer valid
Evan @ LARC:yes
Karen Kelton:Yes
Lisa Katzenstein:American Association of School Librarians. I bet they could help
with organizing OERs, as librarians have been dealing with electronic formats for a
very long time.
Pat Mosele 2:Great point,Lisa
Heera Kang:Finally, let's hear some thoughts on solutions to the challenges to OER
you identified. These included: Questions on safety and reliability of publishing
online. Whether there is hope for publishing OER for LCTLS. High learning curve for
some online publishing platforms. Funding for the new OERs you imagined.
Undefined professional and monetary reward system for publishing material online.
Your thoughts on any of these?
Evan @ LARC:I like Lisa's idea, a 'tech' camp specifically teaching OER technologies,
publishing, and advertising
Karen Kelton:I think that the Google's and Facebook's of the world are already
providing some of the answers. As you said, Pat, maybe we need to change our
teaching methods.
Pat Mosele 2:And change some of the content
Karen Kelton:Yes
Pat Mosele 2:Funding seems to be the crucial issue, no?
Karen Kelton:And get librarians involved!
Pat Mosele 2:WHere does funding come from when the products do not generate
income?
Pat Mosele 2:Federal grants, foundations :-), like the Saylor Foundation,
contributions?
Karen Kelton:Yes, and possibly the freemium model, some things are free, but some
are revenue producing. That doesn't work so well for 'little' OER, though
Nathalie:Freemium modules. Where some parts of a program cost something and
others are free.
Pat Mosele 2:The freemium idea is interesting, Karen
Pat Mosele 2:I am sorry, Nathalie
Evan @ LARC:We should all be OER promoters/educators
Lisa Katzenstein:I can tell your that the Univ. of North Texas has offered the
Masters of Library and Information and Library Science online for a number of
years. Most of the graduates rarely had to go to class. I've worked with 4 or 5 of
them. They are great librarians. My point is that librarians are pretty good in the
online environment for certain types of OERs. I do admit that I have something to
learn about OERs in the classroom, though. But I am a public librarian. I'm sure
school librarians know more.
Heera Kang:Take a look at this publication from Creative Commons -- includes
entrepreneurs, artists, thinkers who dissemintate their products as open materials
who experience a "return." http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/27742
Pat Mosele 2:Thanks, Heera
Sean Connor:Re: funding, some institutions may find that it is cheaper to "sink"
money into replicable OERs than to invest in more proprietary materials...this
probably makes a bit more sense in the public K-12 schools than in Higher Ed, but
freemium content with seat licenses for value-added material is good too.
Karen Kelton:I agree, Sean.
Evan @ LARC:is there a twitter hashtag for the conference?
Nathalie:Do you want to create one Evan?
Evan @ LARC:ok, one minute
Karen Kelton:Pat, what has been your experience with the Saylor foundation?
Evan @ LARC:@ Nathalie which do you like? #COERLLOER12 or #FLOER12
Evan @ LARC:I'm going with #COERLLOER12
Nathalie:Thanks, that is ok.
Pat Mosele 2:Karen, I am working as a consultant for Saylor developing basic
French courses that will be free and open to all
Pat Mosele 2:I am using Francais Interactif and CMU's OLI Elementary French I
Sean Connor:Creative Commons is currently taking public comments on their 4.0
suite of licenses -- a number of known issues are on the table.
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/4.0
Lisa Katzenstein:Please let Carl Blyth know that the Association of School
Librarians is for librarians who work with K-12.
Lisa Katzenstein:The university librarians belong to the Association of College and
Research Librarians.
Heera Kang:Yes, will do. Thank you
Heera Kang:Thanks, Sean. That's helpful to this conversation.
Pat Mosele 2:What about us?
Lynda Jentsch:What is the program for this afternoon?
Karen Kelton:Rachael Gilg, a librarian, by the way, will give a presentation on how
to find OER and then there's a panel of teachers who use OER
Heera Kang:Thank you all for contributing to the discussion!! Coming up, panel
discussions and question time, which I hope you'll participate in. Here's the
schedule -- http://sites.la.utexas.edu/power-of-openness/schedule/
Heera Kang:Meet you back here at 1pm :)
GeorgesCyFair:People are walking back into the room from lunch!
GeorgesCyFair:Rachael Gilg, Googleuse extraordinaire!
Karen Kelton:Yes, a modern information scientist/interactive developper!
Nathalie:Laura Franklin's video about Merlot is posted here
http://sites.la.utexas.edu/open-language/
Evan @ LARC 2:Thursdays #langchat
Evan @ LARC 2:5pm PT / 8pm ET
GeorgesCyFair:(now I want some macarons)
GeorgesCyFair:i LOVE those YouTube editor tools!
Nathalie:I hope that TedEd and similar video plus exercise tools will include embed
codes so that they can be easily embeded into all kind of websites or LMS
Nathalie:Rachael was asked to demonstrate a CC search
GeorgesCyFair:There was a question about how to search the web for CC. Answer:
Google 'cc search'
GeorgesCyFair:or search.creativecommons.org
Nathalie:If you add "public domain" to any image search you will get license free
images
Isabel Henriques:Nice to have chosen portuguese.
Lisa Katzenstein:Offer this type of workshop in a shorter format at the summer
Advanced Placement Institutes for AP Teachers of Spanish and French, offered by
the College Board!
Karen Kelton:Great idea1
Shahla Adel:Nice to show a Persian Youtube clip!
GeorgesCyFair:Lisa: http://apfrench.info/course/index.php
Nathalie:Please post your questions if you have any.
Lisa Katzenstein:Good to see the Web resources in the AP French course index. I
still think this workshop would be helpful as well.
Pat Mosele:I think that if you did a workshop for teachers, you would want to
include hands on sessions in which the teachers actually create lessons they can
take with them
Pat Mosele:Karen, can you all offer free online classes for teachers through
COERLL?
Nathalie:Pat, this is our first event we are streaming, but we hope to have a lot
more events like this in the future.
Karen Kelton:Pat, that's the plan. This is the first experiment with AdobeConnect
and it seems to be going quite well!!
Pat Mosele:Cool!
GeorgesCyFair:VERY well!
Nathalie:I am sure we will have OER teacher workshops in the near future.
Lisa Katzenstein:Well, unfortunately, my computer is freezing a lot. I don't know if
you listed what computer specs we should have for this workshop, but if not, you
may want to do that next time. Otherwise, great workshop.
Isabel Henriques:Yes, congratulations. I
Karen Kelton:Yes, could you send us what system you're using (browser, computer,
etc), so we know what doesn't work?
Karen Kelton:Where's Amanda?
Rachael Gilg:Carl said Amanda couldn't make it.
Karen Kelton:Thanks, Rachael.
Keah Cunningham:Lisa - I've noticed that if I have another tab open with something
running Flash ... it does make the audio and video cut out (in Chrome). Maybe we
shouldn't multi-task?? ;)
Lisa Katzenstein:I will get rid of my extra screesn, thanks! I'm trying yet again to
download Adobe Flash Player. Maybe the third time will be a charm???
Shahla Adel:Could you ask the panelist to be more specific with their teaching
methodologies?
Karen Kelton:Yes, all hands on board!
Shahla Adel 2:Thank you Karen & Nathalie!
Pat Mosele:I am wondering why we want to decrease the amount of f2f time we
have with students? If the online materials are used outside of class, you are left
with all of those contact hours to do some real communicative work, no?
Karen Kelton:By all means, Pat.
Pat Mosele:I am concerned that some may be getting the idea that we can decrease
contact hours in favor of online learning. Administrators will like that, of course, but
is it really a good idea to favor decreasing the time students get to speak face to face
with real breathing people?
Karen Kelton:Here's a comment from Amanda Dalola, the grad student who wasn't
able to come today about the role of the teacher: turns my role of a traditional
"teacher" into a hybrid role of teacher / mediator / tour guide: someone well versed
in the subject matter who serves not only as a reference point, but can navigate the
group's interactions with other speakers of the language (via video, song, reportage,
etc), while still being able to provide necessary commentary on the cultural and
linguistic contexts at hand. it makes you less of the class's sole expert performer
and more of a well-informed observer "on safari," there to comment and dissect the
performance of other french speakers.
Pat Mosele:Very nice, Amanda.
Jacqueline:Glad you made it, Amanda!
GeorgesCyFair:Hope that helps explain my situation, Pat
Pat Mosele:Yes, Georges, your explanation was perfect. Thanks so much!
Karen Kelton:Hi Jacqueline, this is Karen. I'm quoting what Amanda told me she
was going to say today. I hope she won't mind, for she sent it to me by email earlier
this week! She has lots of wonderful ideas.
Rachael Gilg:Slides from this session are now posted at
https://sites.la.utexas.edu/power-of-openness/material/
Nathalie:Any quetsions for the panelists?
Nathalie:questions : )
Karen Kelton:Maybe Georges could speak to the idea of different forms of testing.
Karen Kelton:Maybe better understanding of the target culture, better
understanding of pragmatics of a language
Pat Mosele:I am wondering if it would be possible to offer different types of
language classes, some hybrid, some traditional, some only online?
Pat Mosele:In the same institution, I mean.
Keah Cunningham:Getting some feedback ...
Karen Kelton:There's often push back from students when using OER (authentic
videos), for they force the student to take responsibility for their own learning, i.e.
work!
GeorgesCyFair:Absolutely, Pat
GeorgesCyFair:We do all kinds
GeorgesCyFair:Nobody should be forced into one model
Pat Mosele:I totally agree, Georges. So OER makes it possible for us to be more
flexible.
GeorgesCyFair:indeed!
GeorgesCyFair:lets you customize your course very easliy
GeorgesCyFair:easily
GeorgesCyFair:not just for you but for your learners
Pat Mosele:yes, that's the key, courses meet learners' needs in a wide variety of
ways
Pat Mosele:Can Amy give some examples?
Sean Connor:And I think that OER need not be all things for all people...OER can
help reduce institutional and learner costs, ease access, invite localization, [student]
participation, and improvement, and improve portability, but of course students can
extend their language learning in ways that an institution or teacher can't readily
provide...which is awesome.
Nathalie:Amy is giving examples
Rachael Gilg:You can check out Acesso from KU at
http://www2.ku.edu/~spanish/acceso/
Rachael Gilg:Sorry, "Acceso"
Karen Kelton:Shouldn't all educators be 'open'? Isn't sharing knowledge our job
description?
Rachael Gilg:Carnegin Mellon French course: http://oli.cmu.edu/courses/freeopen/french-i-course-details/
Lynda Jentsch:YES, Karen!
Karen Kelton:The government, institutions, etc. pay for this sharing! They pay us to
produce knowledge.
Rachael Gilg:Thanks everyone!
Rachael Gilg:Hope you can join us tomorrow.
Pat Mosele:Thank you so much for a great workshop and see you tomorrow!
Shahla Adel:Thank you very much! It was great!
Karen Kelton:Thanks, everyone in Austin. Great job!
Nathalie:Join us again tomorrow!
Sean Connor:Thank you for making this available to everyone!
Pat Mosele:Sean, glad you found an Internet connection! "See you tomorrow."
Evan @ LARC:Thank you
Evan @ LARC:I might be in Austin in September. Hopefully I have time to stop by
COERLL to say hi
Rachael E Gilg:That would be great Evan!
lisa katzenstein:Rachel, I cannot get to any material at sites.la.utexas.edu/powerof-openess/material/. I can get to the links, but the material does not pull up.
Rachael E Gilg:Lisa, Nathalie here. I just tried to download the presentations on
Firefox and had no problem. What version of Firefox are you using? The
presentation is saved as a PDF. You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader
GeorgesCyFair:Good morning. Testing the online meeting!
GeorgesCyFair:Hi everyone!
Shahla Adel:Hi everyone. Sound and image are excellent!
Karen Aiken:Sound and video are workng great on my end as well.
Shahla Adel:Good morning Karen!
Karen Aiken:Good morning!
Heera Kang:Good to have you all back!
GeorgesCyFair:Shahla A & Karen A: where are you tuning in from?
Karen Kelton:Good morning! I'm in San Diego.
Shahla Adel:UNC - Chapel Hill, North Carolina
Lisa Katzenstein:Video is frozen, but the sound is okay and I can see the
Powerpoint..
GeorgesCyFair:My video is good
Michael Dolan:My video is also good
Claire Bradin Siskin:Excellent video and audio here in Pittsburgh
Nathalie - COERLL:Hi Lisa, let us know about your computer setup (Operating
system, browser type and version, internet connection) and we might be able to
suggest some solutions.
Shahla Adel:Good morning Nathalie!
Pat:Good morning. Hi, Claire. Pat Mosele here
Claire Bradin Siskin:Hi Pat! :-)
Pat:I am in Boulder
Lisa Katzenstein:Windows XP, Windows explorer not sure which version-how can I
tell, wireless Internet from Time Warner, antique Dell laptop computer Inspiron
1300
Nathalie - COERLL:Hi Shahla, it's great you could join into the discussion today.
Lynda Jentsch:Buenos días/Bom dia from Samford University, Birmingham,
Alabama
Karen Kelton:Could you please tell Daniel to put the microphone closer. He's hard
to hear. Thanks.
Karen Kelton:Thanks!
Nathalie - COERLL:Lisa, Regarding the browser version: there should be a an
"About" tab in the Explorer menu bar. Would you be able to connect your laptop
directly to your network to see if the culprit is the Wi-Fi connection?
Pat:Who was Chris's collaborator in French?
GeorgesCyFair:pat: here you go:
https://oli.cmu.edu/jcourse/workbook/activity/page?context=0bab09c880020ca6
00e5be1e17355169
Pat:Thanks, Georges, and good morning.
GeorgesCyFair:(hi!) ; )
Lisa Katzenstein:Internet Explorer 8. I don't know where I have a cable to connect
directly my network. Or am I misunderstanding your question? Sound continues to
be okay, with a few pauses. Image is still frozen, but I can live with that as long as
the sound and the chat and the Powerpoint are working.
GeorgesCyFair:Marc Siskin is in the room, and he worked on the FOL project that
OLI houses, right, Marc?
Claire Bradin Siskin:Hi Marc. :-)
GeorgesCyFair:Here is the Acceso project from U Kansas:
http://www2.ku.edu/~spanish/acceso/
Marc Siskin:Yes George, I am still working with Chris on all of our Language Online
projects (French, Arabic and Spanish)
Marc Siskin:Hello Claire! :-)
GeorgesCyFair:Here is Brazilpod, UT Austin: http://coerll.utexas.edu/brazilpod/
Marc Siskin:Pat, hit the Look Inside button in order to see the credits page for
French Online.
Pat Mosele:Thanks, Marc. By the way, I love your Elementary French I
Marc Siskin:Pat, glad you like it. It has been a lot of work but worth the effort.
Luciana Lage:Brazilpod is excellent. I recommend it to Street Smart Brazil students
and Facebook community, and everyone loves learning with Brazilpod.
Nathalie - COERLL:@Lisa. Other than making sure that everything is up to date on
your computer (Adobe Flash Player, Operating System, Browser) there is not much I
can suggest at this point. We always strive to give our audience the best experience,
but please keep in mind that this is our first streaming event.
Luciana Lage:@Lisa: If you haven't yet, restart your computer. It worked for me
yesterday.
Lisa Katzenstein:My first streaming event as well. Thanks for your advice.
Claire Bradin Siskin:Nathalie, for a first streaming event, you are doing admirably!
Pat Mosele:Yes, congratulations on a great job!
Nathalie - COERLL:Thanks, Claire : )
Luciana Lage:Is it possible to post here again the link for yesterday's slides, please?
Keah Cunningham:Links to more of the projects Jonathan Perkins mentioned:
http://www2.ku.edu/~egarc/projects.shtml
Keah Cunningham:http://www2.ku.edu/~spanish/111/
GeorgesCyFair:Luciana: http://sites.la.utexas.edu/power-of-openness/material/
Keah Cunningham:http://french.dept.ku.edu/110/index.shtml - Rough French
project currently in development.
Karen Kelton:I agree with what Amy just said! Collaborative OER are better than
traditional textbooks
Heera Kang:Seems like a big advantage of OERs is having the freedom to take
chances -- to have visions like Amy said. To try out new ideas using existing tools,
maybe make some mistakes, but move toward a better resource than what's out
there.
Pat Mosele:Heera, I totally agree with you. The key seems to be to not be
concerned about getting started, just "jump off the cliff" as someone said and if you
make mistakes, you find a way to correct them. With all the collaboration, you are
more likely to find new solutions!
Karen Kelton:Yes, I agree. The organic nature of these projects is the magic
ingredient.
GeorgesCyFair:Indeed. I remember being very worried about the results of my
adopting OERs beforehand. It's been a big adventure, and no regrets!
Luciana Lage:Thank you for the link, Georges!
Keah Cunningham:From a developer's viewpoint, I think instructors should just
"jump off the cliff" but perhaps not immediately in a web-based format. It is much
easier to collaborate/edit/polish in Microsoft Word or Google Docs than it is in a
web environment (whether that is a wiki, blog or stand-alone website).
GeorgesCyFair:I like knowing that if I expect my students to do things with
language in new and exciting ways that aren't always perfect, they can expect me to
facilitate their French experience in the same mindset
Heera Kang:Good point, Keah -- there's freedom in starting low-stakes.
Rachael Gilg:Keah, thanks for sharing the links. Listening to Jonathan makes me
think we should have a follow-up discussion for developers to talk about how best
to facilitate the content development process.
Rachael Gilg:In my experience, Google Docs can even be challenging for some. As a
developer, I wish Microsoft Word would go away but I agree that for most content
creators it is still the best tool.
Pat Mosele:I agree with Amy that good teaching in the context of SLA is what is
desirable, regardless of methodology
Claire Bradin Siskin:Follow-up discussion for developers is anexcellent idea, Rachel
-- that could help me with my own project. http://www.eslwow.org
Keah Cunningham:I definitely agree, Rachael. I recommend Microsoft Word just
because faculty are familiar with it. In my experience too there is a a learning curve
with Google Docs.
Keah Cunningham:Less with graduate students - but more so with faculty.
Keah Cunningham:I think just getting ideas/content down in some tangible form is
important. Get it up on the drawing board. Have a blueprint before building the
house so to speak.
Heera Kang:The question is about roadblocks to integrating OER at your
institution, and some ideas for solutions.
Karen Kelton:Heera, could you let us know how many people are in the audience?
Heera Kang:around 50 on quick glance -- hi karen!
Karen Kelton:Hi, Heera? Are they mostly high school teachers?
Pat Mosele:I am thinking that I should set up a Teachers' Corner for my
Department
Heera Kang:Interesting, say more about that
Pat Mosele:The problem with colloquia is that they require f2f meetings
Karen Kelton:Georges, why don't you give a shoutout to the SOCALLT Facebook
page?
Heera Kang:Looks like a mix of secondary and higher ed, Karen
GeorgesCyFair:Sure! Find us at www.facebook.com (search SOCALLT)
Heera Kang:Claire - Did you "raise your hand"? I thought I saw a pop up on my
screen.
Karen Kelton:And ask Carl to mention the Facebook page!
Claire Bradin Siskin:not to speak -- only because they asked a question, "how
many..." I forget now what the question was. :-(
GeorgesCyFair:search 'Center for Open Educational Resources and Language
Learning' on Facebook
Heera Kang:Pat - What do you think? Is this a generational divide?
Nathalie - COERLL:I think that newer generations have less inhibitions about
mistakes, but maybe I am wrong. They are fearless when it comes to putting
something in text on the web.
Pat Mosele:I think we can use OER to bridge the divide because we can make
language learning activities "cool"
Pat Mosele:I am going out on a limb here but I really think "accuracy" is overrated
Keah Cunningham:Oscar Torres
Keah
Cunningham:http://www2.ku.edu/~spanish/acceso/unidad4/un_paso_mas/sectio
n1.shtml
Wen-Hua Teng:I totally agree with Carl's point about 'like-mindedness.' This is
almost the "pre=requisite" for collaboration.
Pat Mosele:I think I remember saying that it was preferable to collaborate with
people you like on projects that are fun
Pat Mosele:I remember someone saying
Karen Kelton:Yes, that COERLL's motto!
Pat Mosele:That's where I heard it!
GeorgesCyFair:break time
Heera Kang:@Pat - "perfection is the enemy of the good"
Pat Mosele:ywa
Pat Mosele:yes
Heera Kang:sorry I need to attribute that quote to Jon Perkins
Nathalie - COERLL:@Heera and Pat, I agree, but how can we assure quality.
Pat Mosele:perfection is also the enemy of "done"
Keah Cunningham:I like that Pat!
Karen Kelton:Pat, what do you think we should emphasize instead of accuracy -fluency, time on task?
Wen-Hua Teng:Is it not possible to place equal emphasis on all of them?
Pat Mosele:Input input input then communicative ability and cross-cultural or
intercultural understanding
Karen Kelton:Yes!
Pat Mosele:I think we have to focus on building accuracy just as we have to focus
on building fluency
Karen Kelton:Hi Wen-Hua! It's just hard to put energy into all at once....
Wen-Hua Teng:Hi, Karen.
Pat Mosele:I think maybe we should look at accuracy as a sort of sliding scale
Pat Mosele:We build towards it but do not demand it from the very beginning
Wen-Hua Teng:Yes, I agree with Pat's point.
Pat Mosele:I remember a beginining French student I had at Middlebury who once
said something to the effect of: "Oh, I am gonna talk. No one is going to keep me
from talking (in French). But I wanna talk right.
Pat Mosele:."
Pat Mosele:So, accuracy is important to students, too.
Keah Cunningham:As a recent undergrad (2009), I know that I much prefer the old
teaching style of grammar, grammar, grammar (drills). I too wanted to be able to
speak/write correctly.
Claire Bradin Siskin:They need to be accurate enough to be comprehensible.
Karen Kelton:Keah, do you think that the drills helped you to speak properly?
Pat Mosele:Yes, Keah, I think we as teachers need to respect all learning styles
Claire Bradin Siskin:Amen Pat, -- even though some new research claims that there
are no learning styles.
Pat Mosele:Claire, did you hear the report on NPR on learning styles?
Lisa Katzenstein:I was playing around with the language learning program, Mango,
last night. I tried it in German, as I don't know that language. The grammar in the
first segment is mentioned as you learn the material, but not really emphasized like
one would in a traditional setting. I found that I did not like that part. But the
repetition of the vocabulary with various prompts was very good.. I don't have the
capability of recording sound on my computer, but Mango lets you speak to the
computer and shows you visually how close you are coming to the actual
pronunciation. So I prefer having grammar explained rather than have it used with
minimum explanation in context learning vocabulary.
Keah Cunningham:Maybe not speak properly, but I could definitely read better
because of it. I also had an instructor who wanted us (students) to speak perfectly
and was told once that I "sounded stupid" ... so that didn't really encourage me to
speak more during class!
Claire Bradin Siskin:No, what did they say?
Heera Kang:Please consider sharing your experiences with and thoughts on open
educational resources: http://sites.la.utexas.edu/voices/ Click on "Add Your Voice"
Pat Mosele:So, Lisa, do you think it matters whether the grammar instruction is
delivered by a live teacher or through an online video or lecture capture?
Pat Mosele:Wen-Hua Teng, great photo of you!
Wen-Hua Teng:Thanks! Pat!
Heera Kang:Keah - That's awful. That instructor is an example of what not to do.
But I imagine this kind of discouragement is all too common and puts a clamp down
on learning.
Pat Mosele:Whoa! I just realized that maybe through OER we could retrain
teachers like the one you had Keah.
Pat Mosele:Toni Thiesen is from Colorado :-)
Karen Kelton:Collaboration opportunity, Pat!
Pat Mosele:Cool!
Lisa Katzenstein:I'm traditional, so my preference for the initial presentation
would be live. But the reinforcement and drills could definitely be done
online. However, the idea of flipping the classroom has appeal. So conceivably,
students could get an intro online to grammar, but not the way Mango does
it. Detailed grammar explanations could be posted online . Then the teacher could
teach live the next day and see if the students got it. I just think that live
teachers have an important role.
Keah Cunningham:That would be awesome, Pat. The problem that the students
face is having multiple instructors who may have different teaching styles. And if
one is really focused on speaking "perfectly" ... it kind of encourages students to
want to do that. Sets the bar so to speak.
Wen-Hua Teng:Keah's point once again goes back to the 'like-mindness" that Carl
just mentioned.
Karen Aiken:Will this PPT be online as well?
Nathalie - COERLL:Yes, we will post the presentation at
http://sites.la.utexas.edu/power-of-openness/material/
Karen Aiken:Thanks!
Pat Mosele:So, Keah, maybe by combining OER online and f2f instruction, we can
smooth over some of the roughness in our language programs, like the differences
in teaching approaches you find in a Department or school?
Pat Mosele:I am now officially in love with ePortfolios. We may still be in the
honeymoon stage but that's ok.
Karen Kelton:Cool!
GeorgesCyFair:Yay! Badges!
Keah Cunningham:I think it's a start. But it would sort of need to be both a bottomup and top-down sense of buy-in. Every teacher would need to have at least some
interest in OER, but there would need to be some top-down "regulation" from the
administrators to back it. No? I just don't if you can get everyone on board without
the top-down "encouragement." The whole department would need the "vision."
Keah Cunningham:Do a lot of professors like having "badges"?
Pat Mosele:I want one
Wen-Hua Teng:I agree with Keah's point. In my own experiences, collabortion
won't just happen without proper encouragement.
Wen-Hua Teng:I have worked with people who believe that being in a
'collaboration" group means some people can just sit back and enjoy the work their
group mates have come up with.
Pat Mosele:Keah, I think if you tie some "points" to the badges students earn in a
given class, students would be all over it
Heera Kang:Badges is a new and developing concept -- the idea is that, just as with
a language OER, it's going to require the same kind of fearless collaboration of
professionals to grow the respect and recognition.
Wen-Hua Teng:These badges they are talking about are to be awarded to learners,
right?
Karen Kelton:No, these are initially for teachers, kind of an alternative CPE credit.
Wen-Hua Teng:Oh, I see. Thanks, Karen!
Pat Mosele:But we could use them for students - a badge for earning Intermediate
Low for a proficiency interview, for example?
Karen Kelton:Interesting idea!
Wen-Hua Teng:Yes, Pat. I like your ideas.
Pat Mosele:Au shucks
Pat Mosele:Aw
Luciana Lage:badges for out-of-the-classroom language activities, such as talking to
native speakers, watching a movie, translating a song
GeorgesCyFair:good for an informal reward system with students as well
GeorgesCyFair:to promote some friendly competition
Pat Mosele:What if you awarded points for accuracy type activities and badges for
communicative progress, then each badge awarded would be worth a bunch of
points?
Pat Mosele:I like the competition angle, Georges
Karen Kelton:The only problem is the infrastructure. In order for these badges to
be meaningful, they need to come from recognizable organizations!
Keah Cunningham:Can you see a list of all of the "potential" badges you could
earn? I think that would serve as motivation to "collect them all."
Keah Cunningham:Agree with Karen.
Pat Mosele:Would our educational institutions be considered recognizable?
Wen-Hua Teng:Karen, is COERLL going into the field of teacher training? This
"badge" system seems to indicate so.
Karen Kelton:At least for OER!
Lisa Katzenstein:What if two universities offer the same course for CEUs for
professional development? Would each university issue their badge for their
course? So then, say, you have a course on using OERs like this one was offered by
your agency and two universities. All three institutions are supposed teaching the
"same" thing, but would probably have to have different badges, as the content of
each course would vary, correct?
Heera Kang:Pat - Just as they would be considered on a traditional resume.
Pat Mosele:So, maybe each LRC could issue "official" badges, say COERLL for OER,
other LRCs for other things?
Karen Kelton:Yes, that would be a great idea, if we could 'collaborate' to make it
happen.
Jaclyn Fallin:school teachers would probably benefit from the badge system if it
was recognized at the university level for CPE style credits.
Lisa Katzenstein:Well, I am a public librarian at Dallas Public Librarian. I do not
have a curriculum or a classroom. I am taking this class for recertification CEU's,
plus to stay current in my field in case I go back to teaching. So I hope you don't
mind if I don't try to earn the second badge.
Lisa Katzenstein:Gosh, I meant to say Dallas Public LibrarY, not Dallas Public
LibrarIAN!
Nathalie - COERLL:@Jaclyn. I think badges will actually give employers more
insight about what a teacher's skills are than CPE credits. They are two different
things. As you might have noticed we are awarding badges and CPE credits for this
event.
Heera Kang:http://dmlcompetition.net/
Wen-Hua Teng:Will people's work be evaluated before a badge will be awarded to
them?
Karen Kelton:Yes, depending on the criteria of the task to earn the badge.
GeorgesCyFair:I think I just finished the attendee challenge, awaiting approval!
Cool!
Karen Kelton:Georges, you're such an over achiever!
Pat Mosele:I am feeling that competitive energy now
Wen-Hua Teng:Will interested people be informed of what the criteria are before
they submit the work?
Karen Kelton:Yes, good point. The criteria will be spelled out in the challenge!
Wen-Hua Teng:That's great! I seem to get the impression from the presentation
that what they need to do is spelled out, but not how well they need to do it before
being awarded the badge.
Pat Mosele:So the assessments will be criterion referenced?
Karen Kelton:Ah, Heera, could you ask Pat's question about assessment?
Wen-Hua Teng:Next question: Can people try one task multiple times?
Pat Mosele:Could you not have a hierarchy of badges?
Wen-Hua Teng:I think a hierachy of badges is great! It is similar to learners'
proficiency levels.
Pat Mosele:So, if anyone can issue a badge, then there has to be some desired
badge, one that means something, one for students/teachers to work towards that is
recognized generally
Pat Mosele:Maybe ACTFL and the AATs need to buy into this
Nathalie - COERLL:@Pat. In fact some institutions have hierarchy badge systems.
COERLL's badge stystem has still to be built.
Karen Kelton:And it will take time to build the recognition of the quality of these
badges. The ACTFL and AAT buy in is a great idea.
Pat Mosele:I see the LRCs collaborating with ACTFL and the AATs to make the
badge idea into something really wonderful
Keah Cunningham:Do you plan on holding some sort of workshop or class on
badges for some of the "technophobic" faculty/administration? Or those who would
be hiring teachers earning badges?
Michael Dolan:How do you authenticate that the person receiving the badge is the
person taking the assessment? If employers are making hiring decisions something
like a SAT testing service that attempts to validate ID’s may be needed?
Pat Mosele:So your badge "pilot project" will serve as a starting ground to make
this happen. Great idea!
Nathalie - COERLL:I want to remind everyone that the Mozilla badge system has
just been released to the public in Feb 2012. But it has gotten a lot of buzz in
selected groups (insiders). Now it is seeping out into the mainstream.
Heera Kang:Keah - I can see that happening down the line.
Keah Cunningham:It seems like those hiring need to be aware of badges before
those earning them makes sense? Or maybe it will just help announce to your peers
what your skill level is.
Nathalie - COERLL:@Michael. Our challenge here will just trust that the person
submits the correct email that identifies them. But you are right depending on the
importance and the classification of the data submitted (e.g. SAT ) you need a better
way to verify who is submitting the data.
GeorgesCyFair:Keah: definitely! It shouldn't be for nothing after all (not that pure
enrichment isn't already something!)
GeorgesCyFair:I can see some cheating issues with high stakes badges... lol!
Heera Kang:Yes, just as with trumped up resumes. Good point.
GeorgesCyFair:I'm going to have Nathalie do my media design badges ; )
Nathalie - COERLL:Some individuals will always try to cheat any system.
Luciana Lage:My reaction to this: I am jumping on my chair in excitemente. I run a
small, private Portuguese language school, and will start planning our badges
system immediatelly. Students love receiving recognition and need incentives to
learn. Badges can mark each student achievements, as opposed to just getting a
certificate at the end of a program. I am already writing to my team to start
collaborating on this. Thank you, guys!
Nathalie - COERLL:@Luciana. Especially for younger generations, I think some will
be able to recognize the gaming aspect of this.
Pat Mosele:If I am understanding correctly, badges represent what people can "do"
while grades/certificates/degrees represent what they "know"?
Sean Connor:How wonderful for students to be able, via badges, to show their
interests and to showcase where they excel...particularly when their summative
scores might be a bit mediocre.
Nathalie - COERLL:@Pat Not necessarily. Badges represent what they know and
can do.
Pat Mosele:Or perhaps badges represent how well they apply what they know?
Nathalie - COERLL:Yes and that is what degrees/grades/etc. lack often.
Pat Mosele:Got it
Pat Mosele:Sean, hi
GeorgesCyFair:Luciana: It might be worth looking at the Common European
Framework (can-do levels) to make your badges
GeorgesCyFair:They already say things like "I can introduce myself and ask others
where they are from."
Pat Mosele:I am using that concept in the OER online French course I am creating students can state for themselves what they can do after completing a lesson
Jaclyn Fallin:I think the badges idea has great potential for educators at a variety of
levels and locations
GeorgesCyFair:Pat: much better than actfl's proficiency guidelines where someone
else talks about some student. here, the learner takes ownership and speaks in the
first person.
Pat Mosele:By the way, I think using Connect has been very very valuable listening and thinking and communicating all at the same time makes meetings
much more "profitable"
Heera Kang:Thank you all for your energetic involvement in the discussion. Look
out for your ideas and concerns being addressed in future publications and events.
We hope you will stay involved!
Karen Kelton:Exactly.
GeorgesCyFair:Bye everyone!
Luciana Lage:Wonderful meeting! Than you!
Luciana Lage:*thank you
Pat Mosele:Thanks again, UT Team, y'all are awesome (note that I am speaking
your language)!
Claire Bradin Siskin:Thanks to COERLL for organizing this session!
Shahla Adel:Great Symposium! Thank you!
Wen-Hua Teng 2:Great experiences for me personally. I enjoy the online
interactive while listening to the presentations.
Sean Connor:Thanks!
Karen Kelton:Thanks to all. This has been fun and I hope we can meet again online!
Lisa Katzenstein:Thanks.
Jaclyn Fallin:Thank you COERLL