Professional Engineers certifications by IEI
Engineers Mobility Forum A New International Concept Permitting Qualified
Engineers
Among
Member
Nations:
The following links are relevant to the Engineers Mobility Forum where IEI has
been
included.
This
is
for
information
to
all
concerned.
List
Of
Current
Members
On
http://www.washingtonaccord.org/EMF/signatories.cfm
EMF
EMF
Constitution
http://www.washingtonaccord.org/EMF/Documents/EMF-Constitutionand-Rules.pdf
PE Certification Assessment Guidelines
http://www.ieindia.org/download/pe_guidelines.pdf
IEI
Assessment
Examination
http://www.ieindia.org/assess_peng.htm
Modules
http://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5464
Prior to communicating more on this topic, let me give some description about
the past of the IEI & its status as many members may not be having a clear
picture about it.
It is understood that in general, all know that IEI qualifies the student by
examining incumbent of Section A & Section B to mark the candidate as
equivalent to a BE/B Tech or BSC Engg. But, the real work chartered to this
professional body is entirely different.
Just to refresh,
On recommendation of Industrial commission, IEI was registered as a Company
in 1920.
IEI was granted A Royal Charter Of Incorporation in 1935.
Objective of CharterPromotion of Engineering, Its Business & Engineering knowledge in India.
Corporate Members are integrated part of IEI till they belong to IEI.
IEI is not a private body but Chartered NGO managed by Corporate members &
governed by Council.
IEI does not report to national Society registrar.
IEI Council reports to Corporate Members.
IEI is authorized by Charter to grant certificates of competencies as required
under any law for the time being in force.
IEI is authorized to advise the governments on any issue that effects
engineering.
IEI Charters its Corporate members to use Chartered Engineer (India) style &
title.
Charter provision authorises any chartered engineer to practice discipline of
engineering one belong to.
IEI educational qualification & its corporate membership are entirely different
issues.
Its educational qualification which requires a pass in Section A & B is legally
required to be approved by the Bharat Sarkar/Government lf India. For that
purpose, it does not come under the purview of AICTE.
IEI recognizes degree from all universities for the purpose to be allowed for
consideration for corporate memberships.
UGS approves Sec A & B for the purpose of allowing the candidate for post
bachelor programmes.
All degree of universities in this country come under the purview of Washington
Accord for the purpose of evaluation of international equivalence. So far we do
not have that approval in permanence status.
UKNARIC has recognized IEI qualification to UK bachelor’s degree in
comparison status.
High degree of mix up arose among Engineers that IEI should not be an authority
for IIT pass outs. Fact is that IIT is an institution for Education & academic
research exclusively. IIT is a statutory organization/Institution established by IIT
Act. Nothing to do with the practice of Engineering.
IEI has already been bashed by very senior engineers of this nation on account
of misinformation only.
IEI is not merely only an association of engineers but it is a Chartered body of
this nation.
Many said that it is having UK charter & not domestic charter.
According to Constitution of this nation, there was no amendment done to the
Charter by the parliament post 1947 despite 5 years opportunity allowed for the
existing laws in force at the time of freedom when Indian Independence Act &
Indian Government Act 1935 were annulled. Total period of 7 years was missed
by GOI to repeal Charter 1935.
Pakistan had altered the Charter post 1947.
According to law, IEI Charter is still in force & Rule of Law recognizes its
competencies.
IEI is not mine or your’s body. It is a public Institution in the form of An
autonomous Chartered body managed by its members. All elections to various
offices are done by postal ballots.
IEI had been mostly dominated by the government or defense personnel who
never bothered about the Engineering practice. They never required the use of
Chartered Engineer designation. Very limited engineers carried out the practice.
Reference of IEI are available in various Municipal Acts, Architect Act 1972 &
various other documentations.
IEI was never a common public body virtually with the exception of publication of
journals & conducting examinations.
There are many engineering association in Bharat now but all are subject to the
provisions to the Indian Societies Act.
I had faced certain disputes with Municipal Corporation on account of Engineer’s
registration & produced Chartered Engineer (India) certificate & ask them to write
on that they do not recognize that what they never did. I know they can never go
against the certificate knowingly as it is against the law of Bharat as well as
would amount to contempt of rule of law. According to COI, any reference to any
act in the COI or any statute, shall amount to a reference to the president of India
if it is in national act or to the state government if it is in any state act.
After having file one small petition with the Rajya Sabha in its annexue, I had met
Mr. Miglani & one law associate to deliberate upon the Charter. These officers
appeared to be mixed up regarding the real status of the charter as to them it
stood as whether a constitutional or a statutory body. I was asked by them to
send certain documents which IEI complied with. Please find various
correspondences on the links.
http://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4966&highlight=#4966
http://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1592&highlight=#1592
http://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1570&highlight=#1570
http://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1507&highlight=#1507
http://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1247&highlight=#1247
http://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1212&highlight=#1212
http://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1038&highlight=#1038
Later, IEI in 1995 modified its certification process in addition to Chartered
Engineer (India) to include also Professional Engineer (India) keeping abreast
changing international scenario as created by WTO etc.
IEI passed a bye law to certify the MIE/FIE candidates as P Eng based on at
least 10 to 15 years of professional experience with proven CPD. Certification
was valid for 5 years only. Certification authorises the candidate as an expert in
the practicing discipline.
I had also applied based on my total 19 years experience that time for Ist
certification.
At that time, IEI had no relation to EMF.
IEI was entered as a Provisional Member of EMF in 2003.
IEI made changes in its laws by allowing any corporate member of any
recognized Institution in Bharat / India to apply for PE certification through its own
body.
EMF monitored IEI & in 2009, IEI was admitted as a full member.
Since IEI has won the status of representation our nation for maintaining Indian
Register for conducting EMF certification of P Eng, it has become an authorized
version of EMF nationally.
Any corporate member from any recognized Institution can apply for the PE
certification from home institution for a certificate to be Issued by IEI at the final
stage which stages cover the following route.
Original Application for 5 years
Recognised Degree
Corporate Membership of any recognized Engineering Professional Institution
Seven years professional engineering experience
Including two years in responsible position
Continued Professional Development CPD for achieving 125/250 marks
Pass of module 1
Pass of module 2
Interview if required
Good Character
Renewal after 5 years
CPD for achieving 125/250 marks
Interview if so required
http://www.ieindia.org/mobility.htm
http://www.ieindia.org/certifi_peng.htm
http://www.ieindia.org/assess_peng.htm
PE examination is not an exclusive engineering one but unlimited higher than
bachelor degree.
Includes Engineering management from all disciplines.
Includes professional management.
Includes GK.
Includes labour relations & social concepts.
Includes leadership quality check.
Includes environment.
Includes certain contract laws
Includes certain treaties.
Includes codes.
May include any other issue.
Purpose of this Certificate:
As far as domestic law is concerned, there is no law mandating national
engineer’s registration.
All registration done by municipalities, are unconstitutional or arbitrary. I am not
alleging upon any body but just narrating what the law of land states.
Professional Engineer as well as Chartered Engineer titles are elite voluntary
certifications.
Many circulars are available requiring CE Certification for many import items.
Many international contracts require preferably certification by Professional
Engineers on certain disciplines.
CE & PE are statutory title under IEI Charter & are Chartered / Gazetted
references.
When registered under EMF rules on Indian section of EMF register managed by
IEI, PE shall be eligible to practice in other EMF nations without involving with
their checks for Engineer qualification.
PE would definitely enhance Indian Practising values in domestic market.
PE Intl. designation may be used by IEI PE registered or refreshed after
2008/2009
I used C Eng Certificate as well as PE certificate to obtain UAE visa long back.
Currently, I have been working to fulfill my requirements for the 3 rd CPD. I have
sent my renewal application narrating hours invested on many activities but I
have to prove & appear in an Interview certainly.
Expected Engineer’s law may not regularize senior engineers but Engineer title
based on BE exclusively.
I think now you are feeling bored some. I stop.
Regards