Discussion Paper: Preliminary Views of an improved Conceptual Framework for Financial Reporting: The Reporting Entity Section 1: The reporting entity concept Question 1 Do you agree that what constitutes a reporting entity should not be limited to business activities that are structured as legal entities? If not, why? Question 2 Do you agree that the conceptual framework should broadly describe (rather than precisely define) a reporting entity as a circumscribed area of business activity of interest to present and potential equity investors, lenders and other capital providers? If not, why? For example, do you believe that the conceptual framework should establish a precise definition of a reporting entity? If so, how would you define the term? Do you disagree with including reference to equity investors, lenders and other capital providers in the description (or definition) of a reporting entity? If so, why? 1) We agree that a reporting entity should not be limited to business activities that are structured as legal entities on the grounds that not all businesses are structured as legal entities for example branches of entities or sole proprietors. In particular we agree with the use of substance over form as noted in paragraph 21 (c). Practical difficulties establishing the boundaries of a particular area of business activity could be dealt with through guidance in standards. The discussion paper correctly notes that the requirement to produce financial statements and/or reports should be driven by local jurisdictional requirements and not by the IASB. However, in practice this distinction is not always so clear cut and IFRS can potentially apply to financial statements where there is no benefit commensurate with the cost involved. Some aspects of this are referred to in the remainder of this response. 2) We agree that the conceptual framework should broadly, rather than specifically, define a reporting entity as a circumscribed area of business activity to present and potential equity investors, lenders and other capital providers. This is on the basis that it would be difficult to succinctly describe all possible business activities that might lead to a business activity being classified as a reporting entity. To attempt a precise definition would require an exhaustive list of possible current and future business activities which would be impracticable. Section 2: Group reporting entity Question 3 Do you agree that the risks and rewards model does not provide a conceptually robust basis for determining the composition of a group reporting entity and that, except to the extent that it overlaps with the controlling entity model (as discussed in paragraphs 102 and 103), the risks and rewards model should not be considered further in the reporting entity phase of the conceptual framework project? If not, why? Question 4 Assuming that control is used as the basis for determining the composition of a group reporting entity, do you agree that: (a) control should be defined at the conceptual level? (b) the definition of control should refer to both power and benefits? If not, why? For example, do you have an alternative proposed definition of control? Question 5 Do you agree that the composition of a group reporting entity should be based on control? If not, why? For example, if you consider that another basis should be used, which basis do you propose and why? Question 6 Assuming that control is used as the basis for determining the composition of a group reporting entity, do you agree that the controlling entity model should be used as the primary basis for determining the composition of a group entity? If not, why? Question 7 Do you agree that the common control model should be used in some circumstances only? If not, why? For example, would you limit the composition of a group reporting entity to the controlling entity model only? Or would you widen the use of the common control model? If you support the use of the common control model, at least in some circumstances, do you regard it as an exception to (or substitute for) the controlling entity model in those circumstances, or is it a distinct approach in its own right? Please provide reasons for your responses. 3) It is not clear from the Discussion paper as currently drafted whether the risks and rewards model does or does not provide a better basis for determining the composition of a group reporting entity. Having said that, the concept of control in terms of consolidated accounts is a well understood and widely used term. We are unclear at this stage what merits there would be in changing this approach, particularly in light of the fact that the risks and rewards concept is currently seen as supporting evidence for control. As pointed out in paragraph 102 in the Discussion paper, SIC 12 states that one of the indicators of control is whether an entity has the ability to access the risks and rewards of ownership. Thus, control is deemed to be the over-riding factor which is supported by the risks and rewards assessment. There could, therefore, be potential for combining the risks and rewards and control concepts together – but further consideration would need to be given as to the possible outcomes of this before a conclusion could be reached. 4) We agree that control should be defined at the concepts level. The notion of control is a pervasive concept within IFRS and drives a number of key decisions which can have a material impact on the financial statements i.e. determining when entities are consolidated or not for example. As a result, control needs to be defined at the concepts level to support its importance in the context outlined above. We agree that the concept of control should refer to both ‘power’ and ‘benefits’ for the reasons set out in the Discussion paper in paragraphs 44-48. However, we do not see why the words “and increase….those losses” have been included in the definition in paragraph 49 as they seem unnecessary. If they are intended to have a specific aim this should be made clear, as there have been a number of cases where “loose” wording in IFRS has caused significant work for preparers and auditors. 5) We agree that the composition of a group reporting entity should be based on control. As indicated in our answer to question 3, however, we believe that risks and rewards play a part in this concept of control i.e. SIC 12. 6) We agree that the controlling entity model should be used as the primary basis for determining the composition of a Group on the basis that the ultimate controlling entity should also be included within consolidated financial statements. 7) If the controlling entity were not to be included in the consolidated financial statements of the entities that it controls, as proposed under the common control model if applied in full, it could lead to a very odd set of consolidated results which could be materially misleading. For Groups with a parent entity of substance, this would result in the non-consolidation of that entity. We therefore agree that the controlling entity model should be the approach. However, while we can see that examples can be created where relevance to some users is apparent, we are concerned by the wording on common control in paragraph 95. This would be a subjective area and, if dealt with at an international level, could result in many sub-consolidations in a Group where any perceived benefit was far outweighed by the cost. Any requirements for such consolidations should be left to a national level and IFRS should only deal with the controlling entity model. Section 3: Parent entity financial reporting Question 8 Do you agree that consolidated financial statements should be presented from the perspective of the group reporting entity, not from the perspective of the parent company’s shareholders? If not, why? Question 9 Do you agree that consolidated financial statements provide useful information to equity investors, lenders and other capital providers? If not, why? Question 10 Do you agree that the conceptual framework should not preclude the presentation of parent-only financial statements, provided that they are included in the same financial report as consolidated financial statements? If not, why? 8) We do not agree that the consolidated financial statements should be presented from the perspective of the group reporting entity and that if prepared from a parent company shareholder perspective they do not meet the needs of users, until further work is performed on the implications of adopting such an approach. The reasons for this are set out in our response to the Exposure Draft on Chapters 1 and 2 of the Conceptual Framework. We would just note here that the IASB’s continued progress along this line, both in this project and some standards, when the implications have not been fully evaluated and many commentators either disagree or are not yet convinced, is an indication of why there is concern over the direction and due process of IFRS. 9) Yes, we believe that consolidated financial statements provide useful information to equity investors, lenders and other capital providers. 10) The requirement to produce parent only or consolidated financial statements is quite often driven by jurisdictional requirements as well as accounting standards. This is noted in the discussion paper in paragraph 123. In our opinion, the conceptual framework should not preclude the presentation of parent-only financial statements regardless of whether they are presented with the consolidated financial statements or not. Moreover, parent only financial statements are often not general purpose financial statements like consolidated financial statements and may have very limited users. Whilst the IASB has to operate across jurisdictions we do not believe it is appropriate to make recommendations that may cause legal, and/or taxation, issues in certain territories. We therefore disagree with the board’s preliminary views set out in paragraph 137, especially as not all intermediate parent entities are required to prepare consolidated financial statements at present and this proposal may result in the need to do so. Section 4: Control issues Question 11 With regard to the concept of control, in the context of one entity having control over another, do you agree that: (a) establishing whether control exists involves assessing all the existing facts and circumstances and, therefore, that there are no single facts or circumstances that evidence that one entity has control over another entity in all cases, nor should any particular fact or circumstances—such as ownership of a majority voting interest—be a necessary condition for control to exist? If not, why? (b) the concept of control should include situations in which control exists but might be temporary? If not, why? (c) the control concept should not be limited to circumstances in which the entity has sufficient voting rights or other legal rights to direct the financing and operating policies of another entity, but rather should be a broad concept that encompasses economically similar circumstances? If not, why? (d) in the absence of other facts and circumstances, the fact that an entity holds enough options over voting rights that, if and when exercised, would place it in control over another entity is not sufficient, in itself, to establish that the entity currently controls that other entity? If not, why? (e) to satisfy the power element of the definition of control, power must be held by one entity only? In other words, do you agree that the power element is not satisfied if an entity must obtain the agreement of others to direct the financing and operating policies of another entity? If not, why? (f) having ‘significant influence’ over another entity’s financing and operating policy decisions is not sufficient to establish the existence of control of that other entity? If not, why? Question 12 Should any of the above control issues be addressed at the standards-level rather than at the concepts level? If so, which issues and why? Question 13 Are there any other conceptual issues, relating either to the control concept or to some other aspect of the reporting entity concept, that are not addressed in this discussion paper and should be addressed at the concepts level? If so, which issues and why? 11) Looking at each statement in turn: a) We agree that the concept of control should be evidenced based on an assessment of all of the facts and circumstances as opposed to relying on any one particular fact or circumstance. If individual facts or circumstances were relied upon then a detailed set of rules would be required which would move away from the principles-based approach which is not desirable. b) Our concern with principles such as this is that when translated into standards will the result always give a benefit commensurate with the cost, or even any benefit. For example, if control is always equated with consolidated financial statements, then would all of an acquisition of another Group need to be fully consolidated even if parts were acquired with the intention and ability to resell in a short time span after acquisition – what would be appropriate in terms of useful disclosure relative to the costs involved? c) As per b) above. d) As per b) above. e) We agree that power to control can only exist when one entity alone has that power. If the power is shared then that entity cannot act in its own right to direct the operating and financing policies of the entity and unilaterally access the benefits that the power to control should bring. f) We agree with the above statement. 12) The concept of control, being fundamental to Group situations, should be dealt with at the concepts level. However, the sub-sets of that concept of control could potentially be dealt with in more detail at the standards level. 13) We do not have any further conceptual issues to raise at this discussion paper stage.