Hearts: Tatum, Annelise, Annie, Jesika, Tanner, & Henry Question

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Hearts: Tatum, Annelise, Annie, Jesika, Tanner, & Henry

Question #2: Explain what Campbell means when he says, "The themes are timeless, and the inflection is to the culture" (13).

Jesika: The word that is important is “inflection.” The myth stays the same, but it’s meaning changes over time.

Tatum: I agree.

Tanner: The stories have always will be told, but the details change to fit the needs of a culture.

Henry: I agree with Tanner. Culture shapes how the myth is told, but the basic myth is the same.

Annie: The change it so that it applies to their own culture.

Annelise: The reader also shapes the story by perceiving differences. Accent.

Tanner: Speaking accent or literary accent?

Annelise: Both.

Tanner: Also in class we talked about the “collective unconscious.” We are reinventing the stories to update our databases.

Tatum: When you look at the stories, there is very little difference in them.

Tanner: Page 26, same basic teachings in each story. Abrahamic religions fight over details, Buddhists got it right.

Henry: Retelling allows for change.

Jesika: People want clues on how to live. Stories remain relevant.

Tanner: I agree. Cites page 9: Violence comes from lack of myths.

Tatum: Yes.

Tanner: No puberty rights. How do we initiate youth into adulthood?

Henry: I disagree with the assertion that we have a need to all function rationally.

Annelise: Go back to quote: Myths speak to mindsets of humans in certain situations. (Ref. Medea/Susan

Smith).

Tanner: Similar circumstances to similar reactions.

Group: Perfection would be a bore. We have to see humans in a flawed state, suffering, striving.

Tanner: Coming to knowledge of self through suffering.

Adrian: You talked about changing the story, but keeping the theme. Interpretation is problematic.

Michael: I disagree with the idea of the collective unconscious. It is coincidence, not in our heads.

Annie: We have instinctual responses.

Diamonds: Elissa, LeRoi, Morgan, Colman, Vanessa, Anika.

Question # 4: Do you agree with Campbell that the Gaia principle is the myth of our time? Explain. If you don't, then please explain what you believe in.

Morgan: I interpreted the Gaia principle as humans being masters and part of nature.

Vanessa: Gaia is Mother Nature. We belong to a complex system.

Colman: All life forms instinctively try to contribute to the earth. I don’t believe that plants act concsiously to improve their environment.

Anika: All life forms create their own complex system. Myths are fictionally true. This principal allows us to understand how we can co-exist .

Colman: Myths are not needed.

Morgan: Look at settlement of North America…taming the earth is not necessarily creating anything.

Vanessa: We are not willing to give up our advances. Cites that Genesis says we are dominant. But does that mean to take over everything.

Elissa: There is a lot of discussion about human-environment impact.

Colman: We have destroyed a lot, but we do rebuild. Reason? We are making a bigger impact, so fixing the problems is a result of #s.

Vanessa: Mother nature. We take but don’t give back.

Colman: Campbell takes the idea of myth to seriously. Myths don’t mean the same as they used to.

Anika: I disagree. In the 4 functions of myth, he mentions a “sociological” function. These stories help us relate.

Morgan: Myths vs. science/medicine.

Colman: Myths are to philosophy is what baby food is to a meal.

Morgan: Maybe the ideas are more recycled now? Maybe it’s a matter of thought level?

Anika: You don’t have to accept the story as it is, but the teaching is the take away.

Elissa: Helps us connect with others.

Colman: Uses an analogy of forest vs. story. We need to chuck the monomyth. We need to create our own myths.

Vanessa: I agree in general, but starting from scratch?

Colman: Why hasn’t god created more myths?

Morgan: Are we dominant over nature? God?

Colman: Ignoring both.

Morgan: Back to not needing new myths. How to change them?

Gina: Is it human nature to dominate? Is it within our rights to control nature?

Vanessa: I don’t think we have the right.

(Twombley: Anthropocentric world view)

Colman: HOW are we going to rule?

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Spades: Jennifer, Gretchen, Michael, Adrian, and Sabrina.

1. Identify Campbell's thesis in this chapter. Do you agree or disagree with his conclusions?

Adrian: Reads from page #4: Myths are stories that encode human truths.

Gretchen: We create meanings to stories because we want meaning for our lives. We have to undnerstand the passage between birth and death.

Michael: Moyers focuses on mortality…Campbell focuses on being alive. Explanation for why things die.

Jennifer: His thesis is on page 4: Seeking meaning. Myths are clues. Capture the meaning of being alive. I think he’s exaggerating. Nowadays we find that experience other ways, not through myths. We learn by taking risks, not by learning hero stories.

Sabrina: We have evolved in our way of experiencing life?

Jennifer: Yes. On page 9 Campbell says teenagers make up myths for themselves.

Adrian: You can’t apply old stories to new times. We do need myths, but the old ones don’t work anymore.

Gretchen: When you say myth, you mean made up stories. But Campbell says myth is everywhere.

Adrian: Gretchen, you mentioned that myths help us lead meaningful lives. Myths bridge science and religion.

Michael: Science is a myth. Is there a capital “T” truth.

Gretchen: We look for functional truth to confirm our views.

(Twombley: Should myths confirm or challenge our views?)

Gretchen: Back to functional truth. We make a myth and then believe it. Live it.

Group: Debates meaning of functional truth/myth.

(Twombley: What is worship?)

Jennifer: Problem of myths not being read; people learn a different way. We are polarized by science and religion.

Adrian: Myths bridge physical and metaphysical.

Michael: Not all truths are mutually exclusive.

Jennifer: It’s foolish for Campbell to say that myths are important (Your def. of myth?).

Sabrina: He mentions that Gaia princple as evolving new myth.

Bethany: When Michael was talking about Forever 21…I didn’t get that.

Michael: People are searching for meaning in a short life.

Colman: How do myths bridge the gap?

(Twombley: Campbell’s thesis: Myths help us lead more vibrant, meaningful lives.)

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Clubs: Lauren, Eric, Rayne, Bethany, Gina, and Maddi.

3. Describe the four functions of myth. Which is most important to Campbell? Do you agree or disagree with him based on your reading and experience?

Eric: Mystical

Maddi: Cosmological

Eric: Sociological; last is most important, the Pedagogical.

Bethany: Page 7: Marriage, how it’s not a simple love affair; sacrifice, two become one.

Eric: When he talks about the marriage thing, I was sceptical. Why can’t you assert your individuality?

Maddi: You just have to balance. Do you have another take?

Group: No.

Eric: The third function is sociological. We look to myths on how to behave ethically.

Maddi: You can’t tell someone how to think about a myth.

Eric: I agree.

Maddi: Is religion a myth? If you are forced to think it, you go against it. Myths can’t be forced on people.

Gina: Society should serve man, no? Eric?

Eric: Part of humans is helping others. We serve society, too.

Rayne: Should religions leave it up to followers to decide the Creation?

Maddi: Campbell would suggest that we must remain open-minded.

Lauren: A myth won’t mean everything to everyone.

Gina: I think the mystical function is most important. “…opens the world to the dimension of mystery.” “Why?” is a powerful question.

Group: Moves to pedagogical.

Eric: Humanity has to adapt and teach its youth. I don’t think there is a most important one.

Gina: Analyzing myth is most important part…how it relates to you, your life.

Rayne: The cautionary aspect of myths might be overrated; but other ways that myths teach people how to behave are important.

Maddi: Growing by understanding the mistakes of others.

Eric: People want to be right…trend toward perfect.

(Twombley: marriage age/divorce rate)

Group: Can we live without myths.

Bethany: I think the pedagogical.

Maddi: It is hard for me to judge which is most important.

Rayne: Maybe all are important at different points of your life.

Group: Debates cosmological.

Maddi: We are obsessed with what really happened. (Genesis vs. Science).

Gina: At what level to we initially engage a myth?

Morgan: How would you deal with cosmological

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