Variable Annunity Plans Allocation of Risks in Hybrid Pension Plans

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Variable Annuity Plans

Allocation of Risks in Hybrid Pension Plans

Florida GFOA Webinar Series

June 19, 2014

Donald E Fuerst, Senior Pension Fellow

American Academy of Actuaries

James J. Rizzo, Senior Consultant and Actuary

Gabriel, Roeder, Smith & Company

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DB Plans and DC Plans

• There has been a debate swirling around corporate and governmental employers for decades as to which is better:

– Defined benefit (DB) retirement plans, or

– Defined contribution (DC) retirement plans

• A hybrid plan is a good alternative resolution to the

DC - DB debate

• But let’s defined the terms first by examining their characteristics

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DB vs. DC Debate

• Traditional Defined Benefit (DB) plans

Benefits paid are defined by formulas and rules

– Contributions by the employer are actuarially determined

– Pension plans usually pay monthly pensions for life

– Like the pension part of FRS

– Like local police and fire pension plans

– Like Social Security

• Traditional Defined Contribution (DC) plans

– Employer contributions are defined by a formula

– Account balance plans that credit interest equal to the actual earnings of underlying investment assets

– Like the Investment Plan part of FRS

– Like 401(k) plans in the private sector

– Like so-called 401(a) plans and 457 plans in the government sector

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Distinguishing Features

1. Individual Account Balances

2. Account Interest Credited

3. Investment Risk and Reward*

4. Predictability of Contributions*

5. Unfunded Actuarial Accrued Liability*

6. Retirement Planning*

7. Longevity and Other Risks*

8. Benefit Skew*

9. Form of Benefit*

10. Portability

11. Vesting

12. Funded Status

13. Operational Expenses*

14. Education and Communication

* Most important distinctions

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DB vs. DC Comparison

Core Features

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Individual Account Balances

Traditional Defined Contribution (DC)

Retirement Plans

Traditional Defined Benefit (DB)

Retirement Plans

Yes

No individual account balances, just a defined benefit promise; pooled assets and pooled liabilities

Account Interest Credited Actual investment return of the underlying assets Not applicable

Investment Risk/Reward Borne 100% by the employee Borne 100% by the employer

Predictability of Employer

Contributions

Unfunded Actuarial Accrued

Liability

Retirement planning

Longevity and Other Risks

100% predictable

None

Unpredictable due to primary reliance on unpredictable investment earnings

Borne 100% by the employee

Much less predictable due to contribution being subject to investment performance and demographic experience

Yes, if less than 100% funded

Employees can plan on a predictable, stated (or easily calculated) percent of pre-retirement income; employers can design the plan toward a given replacement of pre-retirment income

Borne 100% by the employer

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DB vs. DC Comparison

Core Features

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Traditional Defined Contribution (DC)

Retirement Plans

Traditional Defined Benefit (DB)

Retirement Plans

Benefit Skew

Benefits are skewed toward younger shorter service employees

Benefits are skewed toward older, longer service employees

Form of Benefit Almost always paid as a lump sum

Paid as a lifetime pension with options for survivorship

Portability

Vesting

Funded Status

Operational Expenses

Education and

Communications

Can be rolled over to an IRA; often not used for retirement income

Flexible in the design

Always 100% funded

Retained and paid as a lifetime pension upon retirement eligibility

Flexible in the design

Funding Policy determines funded status; rarely

100% funded

Higher investment-related expenses (in bps) than DB plans due to use of mutual funds, often subsidizing recordkeeping and communications expenses

Lower total operational expenses (in bps) than traditional DC plans; often soft dollar rebates from transaction costs reduce operational expenses further

Employee education meetings and materials required for effective investment elections; often name-brand Autopilot, little flair and fanfare; often unappreciated mutual funds, online information and investment choices; quarterly account balance statements

(until taken away)

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Hybrid Plans

• Consider a hybrid plan as:

– An alternative to traditional DC and DB plans

– A creative solution

– Out-of-the-box thinking

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Hybrid Plans

• A hybrid plan is a single plan that has some features of a DB plan and some features of a DC plan

• An arrangement with side-by-side DB and DC plans

– Two separate plans

– This arrangement is not really a hybrid plan

– Although some people use the term “hybrid” when describing a sideby-side DB and DC

– But consider a Toyota Prius – gasoline and electric in one car

• Two broad types of hybrid plans

1.

Cash Balance Plans

2.

Variable Annuity or Variable Benefit Plans

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Hybrid Plans

2. Variable Annuity or Variable Benefit

– “Looks” a lot like a DB plan

• Lifetime pensions paid

• Rewards long-service employees

– Monthly benefit amount varies (up and down) depending on certain trigger points built into the plan design

• Investment Trigger -- Benefits change or vary (up and down) depending on level of investment returns, OR

• Employer Contribution Trigger – Benefits change or vary (up and down) depending on the level of employer contributions otherwise required

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Hybrid Plans

2. Variable Annuity or Variable Benefit (continued)

– Investment Return Trigger –

• Some designs (e.g., Variable Annuity Plan) index the benefit earned for the year to retirement date using unit values based on investment returns

– higher indexing for higher returns; lower indexing for lower returns.

• Other designs can change the multiplier for the current year depending on investment returns for the year - higher multipliers for higher returns; lower multipliers or zero for lower returns.

• Still other plan designs pay additional “dividends” on benefits for higher returns.

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Hybrids Plans

2. Variable Annuity or Variable Benefit (continued)

– Employer Contribution Trigger –

• The multiplier changes in order to keep the employer contribution predictably within a pre-set corridor – higher multiplier if employer contribution would be low; lower multiplier if employer contribution would be high

• Some designs can change the multiplier only for that year of trigger, while others change it retroactive to plan start date

• Some designs can retain the final average earnings concept instead of a career average (or career accumulation) earnings found in most investment trigger variable annuity hybrids or all cash balance hybrids

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Hybrid Features

Core Features

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Traditional

Defined

Contribution

(DC) Retirement

Plans

Hybrid Plan Designs

Cash Balance Variable Benefit

Traditional Defined

Benefit (DB)

Retirement Plans

Individual Account Balances Yes Yes

Some designs have individual annuity balances; some do not

No individual account balances, just a defined benefit promise; pooled assets and pooled liabilities

Account Interest Credited

Older designs apply a fixed rate or tied

Actual investment to short-term yields. Alternatively, can return of the underlying assets be partially related to actual return on underlying assets (e.g., with smoothing,

Designs with annuity balances might index benefits to final average earnings, while others index to CPI; and still others can be partially related to actual floors and caps) return on underlying assets

Not applicable

Investment Risk/Reward

Borne 100% by the employee

Older designs put 100% on employers; recent designs share the risks/rewards

Some designs share the risks/rewards between employee and employer; while between employee and employer (e.g., fund return with floors and caps) other designs put 100% of the risk on employees.

Borne 100% by the employer

Predictability of Employer

Contributions

100% predictable

Older designs are as unpredictable as traditional DBs; recent designs that share risk have predictability in between traditional DBs and DCs

Less predictable than DC plans but more predictable than traditional DB plans

Much less predictable due to contribution being subject to investment performance and demographic experience

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Hybrid Features

Core Features

(Page 2 of 4)

Traditional

Defined

Contribution

(DC) Retirement

Plans

Hybrid Plan Designs

Cash Balance Variable Benefit

Traditional Defined

Benefit (DB)

Retirement Plans

Unfunded Actuarial Accrued

Liability

None Yes, if less than 100% funded Yes, if less than 100% funded Yes, if less than 100% funded

Retirement planning

Longevity and Other Risks

Unpredictable due to primary reliance on unpredictable investment earnings

Some designs have ending cash balances that depend only on future salary and are just as predictable as DB plans; but most designs depend mostly or partially on unpredictable investment returns or yields

Some designs depend mostly or partially on unpredictable investment returns, while others have future benefits that fall within a predictable minimum and maximum

Employees can plan on a predictable, stated (or easily calculated) percent of preretirement income; employers can design the plan toward a given replacement of pre-retirment income

Borne 100% by the employee

Almost always borne 100% by the employee

Borne 100% by the employer Borne 100% by the employer

Benefit Skew

Benefits are skewed toward younger shorter service employees

Skewed toward younger, shorter service employees

Skewed toward older, longer service employees

Benefits are skewed toward older, longer service employees

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Hybrid Features

Core Features

(Page 3 of 4)

Form of Benefit

Traditional

Defined

Contribution

(DC) Retirement

Plans

Hybrid Plan Designs

Cash Balance Variable Benefit

Traditional Defined

Benefit (DB)

Retirement Plans

Almost always paid as a lump sum

Almost always paid as a lump sum, unless prevented from doing so by plan design

Paid as a lifetime pension with options for survivorship

Paid as a lifetime pension with options for survivorship

Portability

Vesting

Funded Status

Operational Expenses

Can be rolled over to an

IRA; often not used for retirement income

Can be rolled over to an IRA; often not used for retirement income

Retained and paid as a lifetime pension upon retirement eligibility

Retained and paid as a lifetime pension upon retirement eligibility

Flexible in the design

Always 100% funded

Flexible in the design

Funding Policy determines funded status

Flexible in the design

Funding Policy determines funded status

Flexible in the design

Funding Policy determines funded status; rarely 100% funded

Higher investmentrelated expenses (in bps) than DB plans due to use of mutual funds, often subsidizing recordkeeping and communications expenses

Lower total operational expenses (in bps) than traditional DC plans; approximately same as traditional DB plans

Lower total operational expenses (in bps) than traditional DC plans; approximately same as traditional DB plans

Lower total operational expenses (in bps) than traditional DC plans; often soft dollar rebates from transaction costs reduce operational expenses further

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Hybrid Features

Core Features

(Page 4 of 4)

Education and

Communications

Traditional

Defined

Contribution

(DC) Retirement

Plans

Hybrid Plan Designs

Cash Balance Variable Benefit

Traditional Defined

Benefit (DB)

Retirement Plans

Employee education meetings and materials required for effective investment elections; often name-brand mutual funds, online information and investment choices; quarterly account balance statements

Minimal employee communications, but depending on method of crediting interest; quarterly or annual account balance statements

Employee education is needed for how accrual multipliers might vary

Autopilot, little flair and fanfare; often unappreciated

(until taken away)

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Hybrids Plans

• Primary motivations for moving from DB to DC plans

1.

“The corporate world has moved from DB to DC plans.”

2.

“ We got rid of our DB plan where I work(ed).”

3.

“I never had a DB plan; neither should they.”

4.

“ The conservative think-tanks and legislatively active organizations say we should move to a DC plan.”

5.

“My political party leaders say DB plans are bad.”

6.

“DB plans are more dangerous than DC plans in the hands of politicians.”

7.

“I don’t trust elected officials to stand up against the unions; they often grant retroactive benefit improvements in DBs.”

8.

“Employer contributions to our DB plans have become unbearably and unreasonably high.”

9.

“Employer contributions need to be more predictable.”

10.

“Employer (taxpayers) should not bear the investment risk.”

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Positions vs. Interests

• Management and elected officials sometimes START with the

“position” of advocating DC plans over DB plans

• Consider moving the dialogue from “positions” to “interests” or “principles”

• Identify the underlying interests of the parties and resolve the matter with solutions and proposals:

– That appeal to their “interests”, rather than

– Fight their positions

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Variable Annuity Plan (VAP)

• A pension plan where the annual pension benefit fluctuates (both before and after retirement) with the performance of investment funds

• Advantages for the employer:

– Financial predictability: stable cost, little or no unfunded liabilities

– Retention: allocates benefits to long-service employees

• Advantages for the employee:

– Provides lifetime income – employee can’t outlive assets

– Portable benefit, potential inflation protection

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Variable Annuity Plan

• Career accumulation plan

• Benefit credit is converted to variable annuity units at yearend purchase price of the units

• Units accumulate throughout an employee’s career

Each year employee participates in the plan, more benefit credits are earned that are converted to “variable units” at the end of the year

• At NRD employee receives an annual retirement income based on number of “variable units” accumulated

• Annual income in retirement for each unit is the unit value at the end of the previous year

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Variable Annuity Plan

Basic benefit formula is a traditional career average formula

– Example: 1% of pay

– Formula is applied to actual pay each year

– Benefit is annual annuity at normal retirement age

• Participant earns $50,000

• Participant accrues a benefit = $500/year payable at 65

The benefit is used to “buy” variable units at year-end unit value

– Example: Variable unit value = $10

– $500 benefit buys 50 variable units

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Variable Annuity Plan

A variable unit is the right to an annual pension benefit equal to the unit value beginning at NRD

• Participant’s 50 units would generate $500/year at retirement if the unit value remains $10

– If unit value increases to $11, 50 units would generate $550/year at retirement

– If unit value decreases to $9, 50 units would generate $450/year at retirement

• If unit value increases by average 2%/ year for 25 years

– Unit value is $16.41 when Participant retires at age 65

– 50 variable units earned when age 40 then generate $820.50 annual pension income

• Unit value can continue to fluctuate during retirement

– If the value falls 1% to $16.25 during first year of retirement, benefit in year

2 will decline to $812.50

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Example

$2,541

$2,139

$1,502

$1,045

Units earned

Accumulated units

End-of-year unit value

Year-end pension income

$500

50

50

$10.00

$500

45

95

$11.00

$1,045

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143

$10.50

$1,502

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186

$11.50

$2,139

45

231

$11.00

$2,541

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Variable Annuity Plan

Unit Value Determination

• Initial unit value can be any value

• Unit value fluctuates annually based on the actual return of the pension fund (for the previous year) relative to a benchmark rate called the hurdle rate

• If assets earn more than hurdle rate, unit values are increased

• If assets earn less than hurdle rate, unit values are decreased

• For example, if hurdle is 5% and assets earn 8% (or 2%), unit values increase (or decrease) approximately 3%

• VAP is equivalent to the plan sponsor funding a fixed annuity determined at an interest rate equal to the hurdle rate

– Investment experience above or below the hurdle rate is passed through to the participant through a change in the unit value

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Variable Annuity Plan

Unit Value Changes

Formula for Unit Value to pass all investment gains or losses to participant is:

UV t

= UV t-1 x (1 + i t

) / (1 + h) where i t rate is the actual return during the period t-1 to t and h is the hurdle

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Variable Annuity Plan

Hurdle Rate

• The hurdle rate is a plan provision, not an actuarial assumption, although sometimes referred to as assumed interest rate or AIR

• Hurdle rate is a critical component of plan design

– Higher rate lowers plan costs, but increases the likelihood that participants’ benefits will decrease

– Lower rate increases plan costs, but increases the likelihood that participants’ benefits will increase

– Setting the hurdle rate at (or a little above) a reasonable risk-free rate of return enhances certain features

• Minimum permissible hurdle rate is 3%

• Plans with hurdle rate < 5% are subject to statutory hybrid rules (private sector concern)

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Service Cost Changes with Hurdle Rate

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Can Retirees Handle Volatility?

Most common objection to VAP is that

“retirees need guaranteed benefits, cannot accept declines”

Actual experience of VAPs tells a different story

Consider actual VAP experience for 50+ years

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Variable Annuity Unit Value

(1961-2013)

Back to back declines three times in 50 years:

1973-74: 32% Recovered 92% in 2 years, 100% in 6

2000-01: 18% Recovered 100% in 2 years

2008-09: 17% Recovered fully in 2013

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Variable Annuity Unit Value

Effect of Changing AIR

Back to back declines three times in 50 years:

1973-74: 34% Recovered 88% in 2 years, 100% in 8

2000-01: 20% Recovered 100% in 3 years

2008-09: 19% Still 4% under peak value

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Variable Annuity Plan

VAPs compare favorably to traditional DB plans in several respects:

• Benefits are comparable to Final Average Pay plans

• Benefits are more portable than Final Average Pay plans

• Benefits provide potential inflation protection

• Variations of VAP offer participant ability to manage risk exposure

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Comparison to Final Pay Plan

FAP Benefit Formula = 1% of Final Average Pay for each year of service

RSP Benefit Formula = 1% of Annual Pay, Assumed Interest Rate = 4%

Average pay increases over career = 3%

Retire at 65 with 30 years Service

Benefit expressed as Percent of Final Average Pay

Average

Investment Return

5%

6%

7%

8%

FAP Benefit

30%

30%

30%

30%

Variable Benefit

24.3%

27.7%

31.8%

36.7%

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Variable Annuity Plan

Portability

Variable units continue to appreciate for terminated vested participants

• Benefits continue to grow with investment experience, unlike traditional pension benefits

• Participants are not harmed by changing employment as in a final pay plan

• Benefits are not paid in lump sum or rollover, thus preventing leakage

• EBRI study indicates as much as 60% of early distributions are not rolled over

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Variable Annuity Plan

Portability

60

50

40

30

20

10

0

Final Pay

Plan - One

Job

Final Pay

Plan -

Multiple

Jobs

Variable

Annuity Plan

One Job

Variable

Annuity Plan

Multiple

Jobs

Job 5

Job 4

Job 3

Job 2

Job 1

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Purchasing Power of Level Benefit of

$1000 Per Month with 2.5% Inflation

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Variable Benefit versus Purchasing Power

(1961-2012)

$12.00

$10.00

$8.00

$6.00

$4.00

$2.00

$-

1961 1966 1971 1976 1981 1986

Year

Variable Benefit with 4% Hurdle

Purchasing power based on CPI-U from BLS

1991 1996 2001

Constant Purchasing Power

2006 2011

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Other Design Issues

Adjustments for early retirement or optional forms of payment can be made by adjusting the number of units

Similar to adjustments made to traditional plan benefits for these items

Can subsidize early retirement, if desired

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Conflict in Variable Benefit Plan

Young participants want to see growth in benefit values, temporary volatility is of no concern

Retired participants may want stability of current income

Trustees are fiduciaries, investing assets on behalf of all participants

But participants have conflicting interests

What are fiduciaries to do?

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Variable Annuity Plan Investments

Each unit represents a sub-account of the pension trust

• Stable Units: High-quality shortto-intermediate term fixed income securities.

• Diversified Units: Generally, an actively managed fund where plan sponsor selects the investment managers and asset allocation. Higher potential return than Stable Shares but more volatile.

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Variable Annuity Plan

Participant choice is possible

Each unit fund represents a sub-account of the pension trust

• Stable units: High-quality short-to-intermediate term fixed income securities.

• Equity units: 100% equity investment, actively managed or an index fund.

• Diversified units: Generally, an actively managed fund where plan sponsor selects the investment managers and asset allocation. Less risky than

Equity units.

Pension fund allocation

Stable

Equity

Diversified

Other variations are possible :

- More/less classes of shares

- Different classes of shares

(e.g. Lifecycle shares)

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Participant Choice

• Employees can structure the risk/reward of their retirement portfolio based on their own circumstances and tolerance levels

• Participants elect once per year which class(es) of shares they wish to purchase at year-end

• Could purchase just one type of share or all three share classes

• Also can exchange or reallocate any shares previously earned

• Statement sent in first quarter of following year shows the results of the share purchase and/or exchanges

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How Do You Get There?

• Conversion from existing DB Plan

– Simplest approach is to freeze current plan benefits

• VAP unit balance begins at zero and grows

• Ultimate retirement benefit is: frozen old-plan benefit plus benefit from RSP

• Risk due to the old frozen plan benefits still exists under this approach

– Other approaches, including converting accrued benefits, are possible

• Can significantly reduce the risk associated with prior accrued benefits quickly and cost effectively

• Integrating VAP into existing DC Plans as payment form

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Conversion Less Harmful to Older

Workers

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Variable Annuity Plan

Asset Driven Liabilities

In traditional DB plans, matching assets and liabilities requires continual rebalancing of portfolio

In VAP, assets and liabilities are always matched

Benefits are portable

Design can mimic final pay benefits

Potential for purchasing power protection in retirement

Unfunded liabilities (surpluses) are less likely

– Arise from demographic experience

– Usually smaller in magnitude

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Case Study: City of Ocala GE

• Driving principles/interests from City Council

– Roll back future benefits to bend the cost curve soon

– Future benefit levels should be adequate and competitive

– Share risks between employees and employer

– Make employer contributions more predictable

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Case Study

• Bend the expected cost curve

– Changing benefits for new hires alone will take a very long time to bend the expected cost curve

• So putting in a DC plan for new hires alone won’t do much soon enough

• Putting in a new DB formula for new hires alone won’t do much either

– Must change benefits for all employees (current and new) in order to bend the expected cost curve in a reasonably short time

• Either all in a DC or

• All in a less generous benefit structure for future service

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Case Study

• Bend the expected cost curve (continued)

– Not permitted to roll back future benefits earned by current active employees eligible for normal retirement

– Not permitted to roll back benefits retroactively, i.e.:

• Not permitted to cut benefits for current retirees and beneficiaries

• Not permitted to cut accrued benefits below what active employee have earned so far

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Case Study

• Bending the expected cost curve (continued)

– Freeze the benefits for current actives at what they earned as of the transition date; call it Part A

– Start the new and less generous benefit structure for future service; call it part B

– Final benefit is Part A plus Part B

– Grandfather current active employees within five years of Normal

Retirement Date

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Case Study

• Make the employer contribution more predictable . . .

• By sharing the risk with employees.

– Moving to a DC plan for new hires alone will take a very long time to share the risk

– Not permitted to share the risk with current retirees or with current active employees eligible for normal retirement

– Not permitted to share the risk on benefits earned at transition

• Part B benefit structure is the hybrid plan design

– Part B monthly projected benefit can go up or down, depending on the trigger mechanism (total contributions), thereby sharing the risk and reward

– Part A monthly benefit is fixed and frozen at the transition date

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Case Study

Plan Asset Growth Over Time

$350

$300

$250

$200

$150

$100

$50

$0

2012 2017 2022 2027 2032

Closed DB Plan

2037 2042 2047

DC Plan for New Hires

2052 2057

$200

$150

$100

$50

2062

$0

$350

$300

$250

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Case Study

Without a VBH feature in the legacy DB plan -- It will take over 40 years to reach a 50-50 risk-sharing with employees; in 20 years

City/taxpayers still bear 85% of investment risk

Total Investment Risk-sharing Comparison

Closed DB plus DC for New Hires

With and Without VBH Feature

100% 100%

Employees Bear

100% Risk

50% 50%

City/taxpayers

Bear 100% Risk

0%

2012 2022 2032

Closed DB w/ VBH, plus DC for New Hires

2042 2052 2062

Closed DB w/o VBH, plus DC for New Hires

2072

0%

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Case Study

• Consider DC, cash balance, variable annuity plans

– Implemented for benefits earned in the future

– Even if covering current employees’ future service and new hires

• Most do nothing about the massive legacy obligations of Part A

– No risk sharing

– Costs still unpredictable

• Ocala’s variable benefit hybrid design did

– The employer and employee share the risks (for the legacy Part A)

– The total costs (for Part A and Part B combined) are more predictable

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Case Study

• Part B starts out with a 1.6% multiplier, like FRS Regular Class

– Multiplier can go up, but not above a cap of 2.55% and

– Multiplier can go down, but not below a floor of 1.0% --

– Depending on the level of the actuarially required contribution.

– As long as the actuarially determined contribution (ADC) stays within a pre-set employer contribution budget, the multiplier remains unchanged; improves predictability

– Makes the employer contribution more predictable

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Case Study

• If the ADC were to go above the top of the budget corridor:

– The multiplier is reduced in order to keep the ADC inside the corridor

– Employee bears the risk above the corridor.

• If the ADC were to go below the bottom of the budget corridor:

– The multiplier is increased in order to keep the ADC inside the corridor

– Employee reaps the reward below the corridor

• Makes the employer contribution more predictable by sharing the risk (and reward) with the employee

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With a VBH

Feature:

Budget

Corridor

60%

50%

40%

30%

20%

10%

0%

Case Study

Total Projected City Contributions

Closed DB Plan with Future Benefits Rolled Back to 1.6%

With 8% DC Plan for New Hires

Positive and Negative Stresses at Year 11 Outside the VBH Corridor

Corridor

Stress Test on City Alternative 2

Fiscal Year Ending

City Alternative 2

Better than Expected Asset Returns on City Alternative 2

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Disclaimers

• Circular 230 Notice: Pursuant to regulations issued by the IRS, to the extent this presentation concerns tax matters, it is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the

Internal Revenue Code or (ii) marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matter addressed within. Each taxpayer should seek advice based on the individual’s circumstances from an independent tax advisor.

• This presentation shall not be construed to provide tax advice, legal advice or investment advice.

• Readers are cautioned to examine original source materials and to consult with subject matter experts before making decisions related to the subject matter of this presentation.

• This presentation is not an expression of the views of FGFOA, or Gabriel, Roeder,

Smith & Company, or the American Academy of Actuaries and may not even express the views of the speakers.

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Contact Information

Donald E Fuerst, Senior Pension Fellow

American Academy of Actuaries

202-785-7871 fuerst@actuary.org

James J. Rizzo, Senior Consultant and Actuary

Gabriel, Roeder, Smith & Company

954-527-1616

Jim.Rizzo@gabrielroeder.com

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Answers ?

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