MADISON, WI
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MILWAUKEE, WI
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SHEBOYGAN, WI
MEETING MINUTES
Project:
University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Campus – New Student Union
Project No.:
DSF #07E2D, Bray #2934
Meeting Date:
March 25, 2010
Present:
Russ Van Gilder, DSF
Terry Classen, UWEC
Charles Farrell, UWEC
Rick Gonzales, UWEC
Susan Harrison, UWEC
Beth Hellwig, UWEC
Michael Umhoefer, UWEC
Lori, Burt Hill
David Hatton, Burt Hill
Shawn Plum, Burt Hill
Ashraf Sadek, Bray Architects
Reported By:
Ashraf Sadek/tb, Bray Architects
Purpose of Meeting:
Steering Committee – Finishes Presentation
Discussion/Action
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3 color/finishes schemes were presented
a. Water Theme – “Reflectivity and Currents”
b. Sunset Theme – “Bringing the Outdoors in”
c. Autumn Theme
WATER THEME – “Reflectivity and Currents”
COMMENTS
a. River is better than stone, different changes of light would be good
b. Stone is not good, would collect dirt
c. Ok with lighter wood, would prefer darker shade of wood
d. Iridescent glass tiles are beautiful
e. David Hatton, Burt Hill, re: darker terrazzo, recommend using in smaller quantities as an accent, it will last
forever (50 years), paint can be switched out, but the terrazzo will last, need a level of flexibility.
f. Put money where it can be seen and not hidden, use more expensive items in hallway
g. Love blues and greens, love the idea of bringing nature in, perfect for Eau Claire
h. Wheat, trees, leaves would be good to replace the seaweed
i. Cork, no, looks like the inside of a rotten tree
j. Water theme would be universal to this place
k. Not a fan of vinyl wallcovering, like the look, application has issues in a public space
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Light wood not bad, easier to cover scratches than dark wood floor, dark wood needs to be refinished each
year, every time someone pushes a chair back it gets scratched
i. Natural finish for a hardwood is virtually indestructible
Not a huge fan of glass with leaves and things in it, better to have tone on tone, not as in your face as the other
ones and can treat it in different ways as the years go by
Sherwin Williams is campus standard for paint, must go with that
Huge fan of terrazzo, amazing product, especially for high traffic areas
Corridors, possibly poured terrazzo in a rectilinear pattern and go with wavy organic in other areas, dining and
areas off corridor
Kitchen area, use whatever flooring is more cost effective, if terrazzo tiles, and one were damaged, could pry it
out and replace, not so easy to do with poured terrazzo. If using terrazzo, think of the cost versus efficiency
Is there going to be a wood theme that is carried throughout the building, don’t want a mishmash
Oak works because it is very hard
Like light wood (oak) better than a blond
Use the oak leaves and oak tree theme throughout the campus
Use blue terrazzo, as blue is never going away on this campus
i. This shade of blue is a watercolor, a large area of it wouldn’t look dirty
Any intense color, use as an accent
Flooring-something dark would show the salt in winter and have to be washed several times a day. Something
with more white in it would hide dirt.
Don’t like the light wood
Bring exterior elements in, sandstone is most abundant stone in state, matches the theme
Don’t like small rock pebbles, out of date in a few years
Like colored glass as accents, soft touches, possibly in back of servery.
Would like terrazzo in corridor, something that would hold up
Keep flooring curves and flow in servery area
Like blue, afraid of a sea of blue
Wants to see more rust/red color. Chippewa River is not very blue, it is redder, wants to see deeper richer
color.
i. Note-pulled red’s from the water theme so that there are 3 very distinct palettes. Once decisions are
made as to what people would like for finishes, will add the burgundy color back in to match as
needed.
Maintainability terms:
i. Don’t like the deep crevices, would be cleaning a lot, same with rocks, not easily to clean
ii. Loves terrazzo, recognizes budget so that the terrazzo should be used sparingly. Good in corridors,
particularly the first floor. Some of the places they visited, the ones that looked best had granite/stone.
Steer clear of terrazzo stair treads, they will dish (sp?).
iii. Vinyl on the walls, a good choice with wainscot in hallway.
Lightest wood color to use would be gold mill. Wood shown is too light.
Larger prints, people tire of very quickly. If using prints need to be smaller.
Vinyl wallcovering:
i. Water leaks dissolve the glue.
ii. Can be gouged easily, can’t call the painter to fix the divot.
iii. Isn’t as durable as something like tile.
iv. Can they use sparingly and in untouchable space? Ok, but someone will damage it somehow.
v. Wallcovering with a pattern dates terribly. Classic patterns do wear well.
vi. If it isn’t installed correctly can be awful. It is nice for a play with color.
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vii. Anywhere deliveries are made, chair and tables carts come in and out there is potential for damage,
don’t have the wallcovering; higher up, would be ok, and in meeting rooms or lounge. There is almost
nothing that can’t be damaged. Keep in mind how to minimize damage and what is easily repairable
with minimal effort and cost and is easily maintainable.
kk. Deerskin is not a good idea.
ll. Don’t like look of cork, not durable and maintainable.
mm. Main Street needs to be more defined to show direction to students.
i. Concrete floor with acrylic colored gloss is a possibility.
ii. Group liked Parkside-concrete floor with stain and clear coat.
nn. Ceiling:
i. Grids with some curves can work; lay in ceiling is the most economical.
ii. Like metal panels with wood tone.
oo. Wood theme/tone to be used throughout building-To be decided.
i. Don’t use any color/tone associated with Brazilian Mahogany, it is an endangered rainforest timber;
the use would not align with the desired sustainability perspective of the building.
ii. Cherry-must be careful with orange/red face, may clash with other colors used in the building. Real
cherry does darken with age.
CONSENSUS
a. Blue must be incorporated into the building scheme
b. Want to see dark rust red incorporated in this scheme
c. Like terrazzo and its durability
d. Bring nature in as much as possible
e. Don’t like deerskin
f. Wood theme/tone to be used throughout building needs to be decided
SUNSET SCHEME - “bringing the outdoors in”
a. Sunset on the lake and rivers served as inspiration
b. Gold tones and hunter green colors
c. Stones inside, exposed timbers
d. Black acoustic ceiling tiles with wood floating clouds.
e. Focal area with stone cladding, real wood panel system, have some wood detailing on walls
f. Strip wood flooring and carpet in meeting like play of color, light and dark, wood and carpet, plank strip faux
resilient flooring that looks like wood, may be more interesting for meeting rooms.
i. Note-have resilient flooring at entrances where catering may come in, and have carpet where people
would sit.
g. Stepped ceiling installed at a diagonal, using 2 tone of wood, cherry and maple. East end meeting room. Notecost issue, this would be in limited quantities.
COMMENTS
a. Huge fans of stone, understanding is that columns will have stone, examples are engineered stone.
b. Black ceilings in rooms, when you don’t have the volume that you want, a black ceiling gives you the optical
illusion of a much taller space, however the floating clouds may entice students to throw cutlery.
c. Fan of exposed timbers
d. Like circular fixtures, classic, not industrial.
e. Possibly have second floor meeting room with slightly curved wood ceiling or curved faux wood, Council Oak
Meeting Room.
f. Architectural glass:
i. Usage may be one major focal wall
ii. Can use photographic images, play with opacity, end result is a beautiful artlike organic installation.
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iii. If it is ok to see people, play with the opacity.
iv. This will be a 50 year building; will people like it now and not so much in 10 years? What if it is a
historic installation, have a focal wall with picture of tree across from window with tree and wood
ceiling. This campus has always fought about art, use historic images of how campus used to be, less
subjective to personal taste.
g. Sea (sp?) shop, has booths along wall representing each decade, this is how they avoided people having issues
with various art forms, there was something for everyone
h. Graphics/signage throughout:
i. Photo of stone bridge
ii. Meeting rooms named after trees; signage issue-tree or leaves from tree etched on sidelight, this
would help with wayfinding.
i. Like glass concept, can be used as focal walls and sidelights, doors, guards on stairs, within casework as a
panel
i. Will master stairs be the only place that glass stair guards are used?
1. The exit stairs, the opening for 2 story space, couple of openings in upper spaces
ii. Costs:
1. The resinous material/glass with embedded greens or patterns = same cost
2. Most cost effective is glass with a film applied
iii. Good to have glass that would allow you to see if people are in the room without being able to see
enough to know what they are doing
iv. Preference-frosted over honeycomb
v. Resinous material, solid color with texture, natural material, small scale pattern, not literal.
1. Looks like plastic, like something from seventies.
j. Porcelain tile
i. Can be manufactured to look like slate or wood
ii. Costs less than terrazzo but more than linoleum
iii. Grout would be a problem, use stained grout.
CONSENSUS
a. To be decided-Theme of building, do they want rooms named after trees and identified as such with pictures of
trees on the sidelights?
b. Like exposed wood timbers
c. Like stone cladding on timbers
d. Like classic fixtures-NOT industrial
e. Like glass scheme
AFTERNOON SESSION
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SUNSET SCHEME – CONTINUED
a. Gold tones, resin terra cottas, greens
b. Wood flooring from FCS (sp?) managed forests
c. Carpet has post-recycled content
d. Porcelain tiles-crocodile, leather grain, horn, textured
e. Iridescent glass tiles, recycled glass
f. Resinous material with recycled glass and oxide added
g. Glass with organic natural pattern
h. Resin with prairie grass
i. Honeycombed resin
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j. Granite veneer-can add custom look to casework without using large slab of granite and save money
k. Cork flooring
l. Engineered quartz stone –servery application where it would resist heat
m. Leather laminates
n. Resin with vines
o. Textured metal cladding
Commercial kitchen flooring
a. Monolithic flooring would be best - Dexatex-poured epoxy
i. most expensive at 10$ sf
ii. Would need good installer to mix aggregate
iii. Can crack, is easily patched, durable
iv. Kitchens and food service are one of the first places to be renovated, would it survive the life cycle
cost before it was being ripped out and replaced
b. “Safety flooring” includes sand
i. Installs at $7 sf
ii. Is antimicrobial
iii. Softer under foot
iv. Absorbs sound
v. Flush with wall cladding
vi. Quarry tile
vii. Most economical at about 7$
viii. Worrisome because of grout problems and shipping investment
Stone-Burt Hill has contacted a nearby quarry to determine which stones are local
COMMENTS
a. Like overall color scheme, is darker than previous one, perfect for 3rd floor.
b. Don’t like honeycomb concept
c. Don’t like rock in middle, keep lighter sandstone look
d. Like different look of terrazzo
e. Like “richness” of scheme, especially for 3rd floor, brings elegance and depth that were missing in other
schemes, 1st and 2nd floor are day to day use and should be brighter
f. Clear or white glass with gold tones would be best, rather than colors
g. Wood floor is a little too dark brown
h. Rocks-too much color and granite feel, want something more sandstone and gold, others don’t like color and
gold tone, don’t want that to be the rock used predominately
i. Like historic prairie look with stained glass
j. Wood-likes brown tones more than red
k. Stone-likes pinks and mossy tones
l. Upholstery patterns are a bit wild
m. Like the bone concept
n. Doesn’t like honeycomb, looks like a beehive
o. Some of these finishes would be dark and heavy, they are in an area of the country that gets dark early
p. Like etched glass
q. Stones, grays and honey colors would be good to incorporate
r. Doesn’t mind honeycomb tile, depends on the application
s. Terrazzo looks washed out, realizes there is a juxtaposition between the paler floors and vibrant finishes
t. The dark mahogany will cycle out in 20 years
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Copper panel, depends on application and colors used with it
Scheme of color brings warmth and richness, add a deep distinctive blue
Stone, mirror sandstone, it is so prevalent in this area
Wood, love, so great to see a hardwood
Resin, perhaps with Council Oak etched in
Don’t like honeycomb
Orange color, how would it look in 10 years? 70’s-had burnt orange and avocado green which dated dreadfully
Don’t like thin stones, should be bulky and solid.
Colors are nice with stained glass in Heritage Room
Don’t like crocodile
Good balance with this color scheme and existing furniture
Don’t like terrazzo because of pale color
Like copper panels
Liquid string, not a fan
Hearth concept-hearth inspiration draws on copper usage by Oneida Nation
i. Eau Claire-historic area with Native American influence
ii. Copper and stone
iii. Copper, can change color over time, but can apply finish so that it doesn’t
iv. Restrictions-can’t have a woodburning hearth, must be gas and completely enclosed because it is a
student center
v. Once the concepts are decided they will have an interior rendering for the committee to approve.
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CONSENSUS
a. Like textured metal cladding
b. Like the darker, richer palette of this scheme
c. Don’t like the honeycomb concept
d. Some would like sandstone used predominately throughout the building, some would not
e. The terrazzo in this color scheme is too light colored
f. Don’t like crocodile
g. Stones used should be large and substantial
h. Avoid using colors that date
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AUTUMN SCHEME
a. Colors of autumn
b. Deep, dark, saturated, bold, intense and bright color such as you would see in a sunset
c. These colors mixed with natural elements bring a nice pop and the colors aren’t seen as so intense
d. These colors would be great for the servery, perhaps not the 3 rd floor
e. Would like to introduce large scale graphics as artwork
COMMENTS
a. The group doesn’t want any hints of “industrial” looks, it would ruin the nicely finished elegant look that they
are striving for
b. Worries that if we stray too far from the blue and gold colors they will receive a backlash from the University
community; blue and gold will creep back in and perhaps clash
c. Not a fan of oversize graphics, can utilize historic photographs, turn in to murals on vinyl wallpaper, lifespan
of about 5-7 years, rip out and replace easily
d. Likes layers to ceiling, but not industrial
e. Graphics not great, maybe a picture from the bridge looking down the river
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The green looks pastel, maybe use something bolder
This concept looks like the local mall food court, this building should be more elegant and classier
Lining a major corridor with a carpet can be a tripping hazard and maintenance problem
Polished concrete, if treated right, can look very nice and be very cost effective
Light fixtures
i. Looks like flying saucers
ii. Like how wood is incorporated
iii. Looks sixtyish but a nice alternative to fluorescent and canned lights
iv. These light fixtures are shown because of the exposed ceiling concept, the group doesn’t like the
exposed ceiling idea, are the fixtures pertinent?
CONSENSUS
a. Like backlighting concept
b. NO industrial ceilings or look
c. Steer clear of strong trendy/retro colors such as avocado green and burnt orange, need timeless colors
d. Don’t like the hair/hides
Lori, Burt Hill-general comments
a. 1st choice is water scheme
b. Blue is appealing to a lot of people and non-controversial
c. Green is seen a lot in nature
d. Cooler tone palette isn’t typical
e. Existing space colors fall in to Autumn scheme
f. Within the Burt Hill office the Autumn board was a landslide favorite
10. Shawn, Burt Hill-general comments
a. Autumn board is her 1st choice
b. Has great vibrancy of colors, plums/purples, lots of saturation
c. Water scheme is 2nd choice, Sunset is 3rd choice
d. Likes pieces from each scheme
SUMMARY
COMBINATION OF WATER AND SUNSET SCHEME to create “Nature” scheme
1. Reds and plums of autumn scheme would contrast with school colors
2. Introduce decorative cladding
3. Organic preferred over abstract rock
4. Use traditional wood tones such as cherry and dark wood tone, not Scandinavian light tones
5. Small scale/textural patterns used throughout as larger patterns date quickly
6. Clear glass/resin with white finish for a more timeless feel rather than something like prairie grass in resin
7. Use bold colors as paints so they can be easily swapped out and don’t appear dated.
8. Stone ledger not a favorite, use something larger scale
a. Will investigate local quarries, get sandstone examples
9. Keep it classy, not trendy/funky
10. Carpet/flooring-should hide stains, spills, etc.
11. Steer clear of things that would make this look like a hunting lodge, such as hides and deer heads
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TO DO
Committee should review schemes and pick a preferred palette of colors, list of favorite finishes and list of finishes that are
disliked.
The design team will combine the comments and create the “SCHEME” that will be presented and shared with the Building
Committee before the end of school.
This could be a web-conference call.
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The above information is the interpretation of the meeting activities and comments; and should be reviewed by all
attendees. Please comment on any discrepancies and inform the writer as soon as possible of any changes required.
Date issued: April 21, 2010.
BRAY ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS, INC.
Ashraf Sadek/tb
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