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Réz Ugo Panizza UNCTAD Workshop on Debt, Finance, and Emerging Issues in Financial Integration London, 6-7 March 2007 The Unexplained Part of Debt • The “Economics 101” debt dynamics equation tells us that the change in the stock of debt is equal to the budget deficit DEBTt - DEBTt -1 = DEFICITt • This equation can be used to decompose the growth rate of the Debt-to-GDP ratio Dd = i d - pb - ( g + p ) d The Unexplained Part of Debt • The “Economics 101” debt dynamics equation tells us that the change in the stock of debt is equal to the budget deficit DEBTt - DEBTt -1 = DEFICITt + SF • This equation can be used to decompose the growth rate of the Debt-to-GDP ratio Dd = i d - pb - ( g + p ) d + SF The Unexplained Part of Debt Decomposition of Debt Growth in LAC7 Percentage of GDP 24 Inflation UNEXPLAINED PART Interest expenditure Primary balance GDP growth 12 0 -12 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 Source: Campos, Jaimovich, and Panizza (2006). 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 The Unexplained Part of Debt 15 10 5 INFLATION GDP GROWTH UNEXPLAINED PART INTEREST EXPENDITURE PRIMARY DEFICIT 0 -5 -10 -15 IND EAP ECA MNA LAC Source: Campos, Jaimovich, and Panizza (2006). SSA The Unexplained Part of Debt • What explains the “Unexplained part of debt” – Skeletons • Fiscal policy matters! – Banking Crises – Balance Sheet Effects due to debt composition • Debt Structure Matters… …sometimes more than debt level Standard & Poor's Sovereign Rating Public Debt and Sovereign Rating (1995-2005) Germany Switzerland Norway AAA Australia Luxembourg New Zealand United Kingdom France Austria Denmark Canada United States Spain Finland Ireland Sweden Netherlands AA- Iceland Belgium Portugal Italy Cyprus Saudi Arabia Malta Botswana Slovenia Chile Czech Republic Korea, Rep. BahrainBahamas Malaysia Estonia Latvia Thailand China Poland Oman A- Israel Qatar Barbados Egypt, Arab Rep. Panama India Brazil Russian Federation Benin Bolivia Papua New Guinea Grenada Venezuela, RB Turkey B- Morocco Philippines Bulgaria BBUkraine Belize Paraguay Investment grade Hungary Tunisia and Tobago Africa Slovak Republic TrinidadSouth Lithuania Mexico El Salvador Croatia Colombia Kazakhstan PeruUruguay Costa Rica Guatemala BBB- Japan Jordan Senegal Mongolia Indonesia Argentina Ghana Jamaica Pakistan Ecuador 0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 Public Debt as Percent of GDP Source : Jaimovich and Panizza (2006) and Standard and Poor's 90 100 110 Volatility is another source of risk As answer to these vulnerabilities, several countries are: • Accumulating huge reserves (well above GG rule) – But self insurance is a very inefficient way to protect yourself • Switching to the domestic market – Currency mismatches are less likely – Sudden Stops are less likely Switch to Domestic Market Public Debt Composition in Developing Countries (share of GDP) 0.5 0.45 0.4 0.35 DOMESTIC 0.3 0.25 0.2 EXTERNAL 0.15 0.1 0.05 0 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 Switch to Domestic Market Composition of Public Debt in 1994 Composition of Public Debt in 2004 DOMESTIC 39% EXTERNAL 41% EXTERNAL 61% DOMESTIC 59% Source: Jaimovich and Panizza (2006) and GDF Can the switch to domestic debt eliminate all vulnerabilities? • To some extent, but… – Need to make sure not to trade a currency mismatch for a maturity mismatch – In the past debt structure has mutated very rapidly Can the switch to domestic debt eliminate all vulnerabilities? Domestic Original Sin in Latin America and Other Emerging Regions 1.0 Index of domestic original sin 0.9 LAC 0.8 0.7 0.6 Other EMs 0.5 0.4 0.3 Asia 0.2 0.1 0.0 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 Note : Original sin is measured as share of domesic debt which is short term, denominated in foreign currency, or indexed to prices or the interest rate. "Latin America" includes: Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, and Venezuela. "Asia" includes: China, India, Indonesia (from 1998), Korea, Malaysia, Philippines, and Thailand. "Other emerging markets" includes: Czech Republic, Israel, Hungary, Poland, Russia, and Turkey. Source : Authors' calculations based on Jeanne and Guscina (2006) data set. Can the switch to domestic debt eliminate all vulnerabilities? • To some extent, but… – The cost of borrowing needs to be evaluated carefully • What happens if the currency appreciates – Need to be careful not to "force" domestic institutional investors and banks to assume "too much" government debt • Especially banks – Domestic debt may be more difficult to restructure – Externalities to corporate bond market • Positive (market creation, yield curve) • Negative (crowding out) Can the switch to domestic debt eliminate all vulnerabilities? • While the recent switch to more domestic borrowing may have important positive implications for debt management, policymakers should not be too complacent. – "The history of crisis modelling in international macroeconomics reveals that each successive wave of crises exposes possibilities for crisis that were overlooked in earlier analysis." (Krugman, 2006) • As vulnerabilities are often identified after a financial crisis starts to unravel, crisis prevention requires detailed and prompt information on debt structure – Yet, most research and DSA focuses on external borrowing and prompt and detailed information on the level and composition of domestic public debt is often not available to policymakers and analysts The Development of Local Currency bond Markets: The Indian Experience by Shyamala Gopinath • A remarkable feature of the Indian experience is the ability of financing large deficits without issuing external debt with private creditors • Could have this been possible with an open capital account and fully convertible currency? The Development of Local Currency bond Markets: The Indian Experience by Shyamala Gopinath • In the second phase of reforms, foreign institutional investors were given access to the primary and secondary markets • Did they come in? • If not, why didn’t they come in? The Development of Local Currency bond Markets: The Indian Experience by Shyamala Gopinath • The 16.9 years of average maturity of G-Bonds is impressive • But the figure could be misleading. – More than 50% of the bonds are in the hands of banks and this may shorten their de facto maturity • If there is a banking crisis, long term bonds held by banks may soon become overnight! Debt Sustainability in EM Economies: A Critical Appraisal by: Yilmaz Akyüz • One key question asked in the paper is what is a sustainable level of debt – I am not a big fan of the “debt intolerance” approach. • I like: “No debt threshold is right for all countries or at all times” – What about the CPIA approach? • I am not a big fan of that either – What are the consequence of adopting the MDG approach for future access to financing? Debt Sustainability in EM Economies: A Critical Appraisal by: Yilmaz Akyüz • Capital controls may be a good idea if introduced during tranquil times, but there may be a timing issue – What would happen if Turkey were to introduce CC right now? Debt Sustainability in EM Economies: A Critical Appraisal by: Yilmaz Akyüz • The paper raises the issue that fiscal adjustments often go through cuts in public investment – Should expenditure in public investments removed from fiscal targets in IMF programs? – What are the pros and cons? Debt Sustainability in EM Economies: A Critical Appraisal by: Yilmaz Akyüz • I am moderately pessimistic on spreads Will the good times last? 1400 1200 Actual Spreads 1000 800 600 400 Predicted Spreads 200 0 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 Predicted Spreads would be higher with average external conditions 1400 1200 1000 800 600 400 200 0 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 Spread for average External Conditions 2000 2001 Actual Spreads 2002 2003 2004 2005 Public Debt Management and ALM: The Case of Hungary by: Andràs Réz • I liked the discussion on the importance of having an independent and well working DMO but also the possible obstacles to policymaking that come from having independent institutions • I was intrigued by the availability of data on non-residents’ holdings of domestic public debt – ..but how can you be sure that they are nonresidents? Public Debt Management and ALM: The Case of Hungary by: Andràs Réz • Is it always the case that if one focuses on the PV of tax revenues, the logical outcome is to have all debt in domestic currency? – What about the role of the tradable sector – What are the tradeoffs • Cost • Maturity Public Debt Management and ALM: The Case of Hungary by: Andràs Réz • The paper states that the size of foreign currency reserves should be limited at the optimal level • But what determines the optimal level? – – – – Greesnpan-Guidotti Size and solidity of the banking system Openness (Import/Exports) Need to stabilize the XR • Would the optimal level of reserves be lower with a better International Financial Architecture and a better IMF? Comments to S. Gopinath, Y. Akyüz, and A. Réz Ugo Panizza UNCTAD Workshop on Debt, Finance, and Emerging Issues in Financial Integration London, 6-7 March 2007