Marc Renaud began by saying that he has had the fears expressed to him by researchers in the Humanities that SSHRC is trying to destroy the past by transforming, and that it should keep the Standard Research Grants program. U of S is uniquely positioned to be very active in Aboriginal research – how can SSHRC help in this regard? Cecilia Reynolds: few Education students are receiving SSHRC Doctoral Fellowships. There is a misperception that Education graduate students are going to remain as teachers. The drop-out rate of Education graduate students is high; the average time to complete a doctorate in Education is 5 years. These facts prevent success in the Doctoral Fellowships competition among Education graduate students. Marc Renaud: the SSHRC document is weak on students: a possible move is to fund training environments rather than students, but SSHRC is not in the “education business” – this is up to governments. Lawrence Martz: SSHRC should avoid funding students for a long time at a minimal level. Bruce Waygood: many people are concerned that SSHRC is restructuring along the same lines as CIHR, because CIHR is openly not interested in supporting the success of universities. The model is useful when considering how CIHR mobilized public support, but other aspects of the model are potentially harmful. The success of the CURAs, etc, is resulting in an increased awareness of SSHRC as a funding agency, which could result in a high level of support for the transformation process. A major concern is an increased investment in community research initiatives without providing a “path” to follow (i.e. a consistent funding stream). A major concern related to community-based research is that it requires community input into publications, which can slow down the traditional publication rate. There is thus a need for a restructuring of the peer review system to account for these potentially slower publication rates. Marc Renaud: SSHRC is not planning to “mimic” CIHR’s restructuring process. Pam Wiggins: could the U of S help to develop new performance indicators and evaluation systems for community-based research? Bruce Waygood: suggested Karen Chad and Nazeem Muhajarine to help with this. Nazeem Muhajarine: assets are not available for this right now, but he is interested in looking at it. Nazeem Muhajarine: SSHRC should remain distinctive from CIHR as it transforms itself. CUISR has funded 81 community research projects, which has led to a change in the cultures of communities in terms of their attitudes towards research and using research to influence and shape their realities. This has gone so far as to result in a request from the municipal government that CUISR become part of a “regional research centre” with the Comprehensive Community Information System (CCIS) and the regional intersectoral community. People in communities generally do not care where research funds come from, but the success of community-based projects such as CUISR has led to an increased recognition by community members of SSHRC-funded projects. CUISR has demonstrated a very slow publication rate (5 out of 81 projects have publications so far), but uses other (non-peer-reviewed) performance indicators to evaluate the success of its projects. Marc Renaud: an outside evaluation of the CURA program is required in order to capture and understand some of these different performance indicators. However, traditional peer-reviewed measures are still necessary. Karen Chad: benefits to communities can be measured in terms of the growing amount of matching funding being committed from community members. Policy change is a second important performance indicator. Ernie Walker: in the SSHRC transformation process, there appears to be an increasing importance placed on infrastructure and the quality of the learning environment, but these can take a long time to establish. How would SSHRC assess what constitutes a “quality learning environment”? Time is a major concern, as SSHRC wants to increase its budget and public awareness of SSHRC-funded research (through means other than publications). This could take a very long time when working with communities, especially Aboriginal communities where trust and understanding always must be established. Therefore, how would SSHRC accurately measure the impact of a research project on a community in a short amount of time? Marc Renaud: Peter Stoicheff’s report to SSHRC should provide descriptions of different types of performance indicators. Evelyn Peters: SSHRC wants researchers to make their work relevant to the general public, but researchers have not really been trained to do this. What is required, therefore, is a shift in the way training of researchers is carried out, and in the way SSHRC determines what is rewarded. University researchers are increasingly dealing with competition between teaching and research responsibilities – especially in the human sciences, where students are not as involved in their professors’ research projects. Should universities be organizing the structure of teaching differently so as to better support the research side of this relationship? Policy research is not evaluated in the same manner in the same way as academic peer-reviewed articles. SSHRC should also be talking to governments regarding how they could be improving working relationships with academics and facilitating the involvement of civil servants in academic research. Mechanisms for information sharing between governments/policy makers and researchers must be improved. Can SSHRC talk to federal and provincial governments to that this can be improved? There is a lot of “grey literature” (reports that only provincial or federal departments have access to) that researchers cannot access, which is very frustrating. Marc Renaud: what is required is a shift in approach. It is not a “plea for relevance”, but a focus on impact. Lawrence Martz: SSHRC’s Release Time Stipends (RTS) can be counterproductive, as the best researchers are removed from the teaching environment to undertake their research, which reinforces the notion that teaching is secondary to work done outside of the classroom by academics. Students must be better integrated into communitybased research projects. Brett Fairbairn: Saskatchewan has a comparative advantage in community-based research, but there is a disconnect between involvement in interdisciplinary and community-based research and relating to university departments’ measures of research success. Appropriate incentives and structures need to be designed to facilitate this change. Another concern is that SSHRC would alienate existing departments that are not traditionally involved in community-based research if it did not, at the same time, preserve the Standard Research Grants. Murray Fulton: there is a strong fear that the restructuring process is favouring interdisciplinary research. SSHRC does want to move forward, but should not plan to remove the “safety mechanism” of the Standard Research Grant program. Researchers involved in strategic granting areas (interdisciplinary, policy-oriented, entrepreneurial) are generally not the same researchers that rely on the Standard Research Grants program (individual, independent, theoretical). There is a need, therefore, to legitimize targeted aspects while also legitimizing more traditional disciplinary research. These two types of research can be mutually supportive and, as such, room must be allocated/created for both of them.