(c) crown copyright Catalogue Reference:CAB/24/239 Image Reference:0038 HIS DOCUMENT IS THE PROPERTY OP HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY'S GOVERNMENT.) fl 5 C RET. COPY NO. //- O.P. 88(53). CAB I NET. REORGANISATION OP THE IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY. Memorandum by the Chancellor of the Exchequer . 1 My colleagues will remember that when in April 1932 duties were imposed on iron and steel on the recommendation of the Import Duties Advisory Committee, I reported to the Cabinet that- one of the intentions of the Committee in recommending the duties was to stimulate reorganisation in the industry. Sir George May and his colleagues have been actively pursuing this object and a National Committee of representatives of the Iron and Steel Industry has now submitted a scheme under which reorganisation can take place. I circulate herewith the papers which I have received from Sir George May on the subject. I should propose, if the Cabinet approves, to reply to him in the following terms which I have agreed with the President of the Board of Trade. "Dear Sir George May, I have to thank you for your letter of the 27th March covering various documents concerning the draft scheme for the future reorganisation of the Iron and Steel Industry together with your own Memorandum on the same subject. I have now carefully considered these documents and after consultation with my colleagues I desire to make the following observations upon them. From the outset the.Government have made clear their view that an efficient and prosperous iron and steel industry is essential to this country, and that the duties imposed on foreign imports were intended to provide opportunity for the r e o r g a n i s a t i o n which was n e c e s s a r y for this purpose. From t h e b e g i n n i n g a l s o t h e y h a v e expressed the opinion t h a t those engaged in the i n d u s t r y were b e s t q u a l i f i e d to formulate a s a t i s f a c t o r y scheme o r s c h e m e s , and r e c o g n i s i n g a l l t h e d i f f i c u l t i e s which had to be overcome they have been ready to afford reasonable time for o r d e r l y a n d c a r e f u l p l a n n i n g so l o n g a s t h e y c o u l d be s a t i s f i e d t h a t p r o p e r p r o g r e s s was b e i n g made. A c c o r d i n g l y I w e l c o m e t h e e v i d e n c e now a f f o r d e d t h a t work on r e o r g a n i s a t i o n h a s b e e n s t e a d i l y proceeding and I regard the present proposals as c o n s t i t u t i n g a r e a l step forward the required direction. You w i l l h o w e v e r r e c o g n i s e s t a g e h a s b e e n r e a c h e d and t h a t done b e f o r e the i n d u s t r y can b e equipped and o r g a n i s e d . in t h a t only the first much r e m a i n s t o b e said to be properly I t r u s t , therefore, that the industry as a whole and a l l s e c t i o n s t h e r e o f w i l l p r e s s on w i t h t h e work which they have so w e l l b e g u n . I under­ s t a n d t h a t o p i n i o n In t h e i n d u s t r y i s s t i l l over­ whelmingly a g a i n s t invoking compulsory powers, and I hope t h a t the i n d u s t r y w i l l b e a b l e t o b r i n g about a p r o p e r m e a s u r e of r e o r g a n i s a t i o n on a v o l u n t a r y basis. While the Government must n e c e s s a r i l y reserve complete d i s c r e t i o n as to the precise action, l e g i s l a t i v e o r o t h e r w i s e , t h e y may d e e m i t e x p e d i e n t t o t a k e i n a n y c i r c u m s t a n c e s w h i c h may a r i s e , I d e s i r e t o a s s u r e you and them t h a t , so l o n g a s t h e Government i s s a t i s f i e d of t h e d e t e r m i n a t i o n of t h e i n d u s t r y to set i t s house in order, they w i l l be ready t o give s u c h s u p p o r t t o i t s e f f o r t s a s may f r o m t i m e t o t i m e appear necessary to enable t h i s great e n t e r p r i s e to be brought to a successful conclusion. the I shall progress be g l a d made.," if you w i l l (Initialled) 'reasury Chambers, 51st March, S . W. 1 . 1935. k e e p me N.C. informed of SCHEDULE OF ENCLOSURES. Date. (I) Letter from Sir George May to the Chancellor of the Exchequer (II) Memorandum by the Chairman of the Import Duties Advisory Committee (Ill) (IV) March' 27th, 1933. March 24th, 1933. Letter from the Chairman of the National Committee for the Iron and Steel Industry to the Chairman, Import Duties Advisory Committee March 13th, 1935. Scheme for the Reorganisation of the Iron and Steel Industry Llarch 14 th, 19 (V) Minutes of Meeting of the National Committee for the Iron and Steel Industry (VI) Resume of Events from June 3rd, 1932, in connection with the National Committee for the Iron and Steel Industry. i March 10th, 1933. March 10th, 1953. ENCLOSURE I. Import Duties Advisory Caxton House Committee, (West Tothill Block) Street, S .W. 1 . 27th March, Dear Chancellor, Reorganisation We h a v e of the a draft Iron (i) I The (iii) the now r e c e i v e d Steel for the enclose future Iron from Industry, and S t e e l the appointed copies Coirmiittee in June of last, the of:­ scheme itself, also submit consideration invite special of with covering memorandum. the m e e t i n g of the N a t i o n a l o n l o t h M a r c h , 1933, a t w h i c h approved in general o u t l i n e 6. a memorandum on t h e the attention Government, to the last whole and three thereof. Yours sincerely, (Signed Rt. Industry. National organisation herewith The M i n u t e s of Committee held t h e scheme was b y 26 v o t e s t o I to of The l e t t e r from t h e Chairman of t h e N a t i o n a l Committee s u b m i t t i n g t h e scheme. (ii) the and scheme industry. for 1935. Hon. Neville Chamberlain, M.P., C h a n c e l l o r of t h e E x c h e q u e r , H.M. T r e a s u r y , W h i t e h a l l , S.S/.1. ) G.E. MAY. would position venture paragraphs ENCLOSURE II,. - 211 THE REORGANISATION OF TiiTi: IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY. MEMORANDUM 3Y THE CHAIRMAN OF THE IMPORT DUTIES ADVISORY COMMITTEE. It is now 10 months since the Import Duties AdvisoryCommit tee were invited by the Chancellor of the Exchequer to endeavour to carry through a reorganisation of the Iron and Steel Industry in connection with the grant of protection and matters have at last reached a stage at which it is possible to report progress. Before receiving that invitation the Committee had already given some consideration to the economic position of the industry. In their first report they expressed the view that this industry could not be dealt with on the broad lines adopted in that report in the case of other industries; a prosperous iron and steel industry was regarded as essential alike to the economic progress of the country and to the national security and we recommended an exceptional level of protection as a temporary measure pending the preparation of a permanent scheme for placing the industry again on a sound foot ing. In view of the great complexity of the problem - the so called iron and steel industry being in fact a collection of ten or a dozen industries closely inter-twined with each other ­ we early came to the conclusion that it would be very much better from every point of view if the industry could be induced to undertake its own reorganisation rather than that a scheme should be imposed upon it against its opposition by external authority. We have throughout striven to this end and still remain of this opinion. We began by calling a conference fully representative of the producers of iron and steel and suggested the appointment of a series of committees to work out a scheme. -5­ We ourselves nominated a national committee in four regional iron, At turn steel that appointed committees castings, conference was p r e p a r e d to reorganisation measure committee of and four forgings carry it our protection as and executive special clear a purpose that intention to for steels wrought respectively. provided satisfactory this committee, sub-committees and through was this a smaller v/e m a d e it for the scheme industry of recommend " s u c h was n e c e s s a r y t o make that a scheme effective". The a more a discussions hopeful spirit of preparation September matters with that industry co-operation, but actual of a the of the that simply meant against extensive devoting of existing price no b r i e f anxious for for any the responsibility Alfred The results of the the of Committee the all that in help meetings and admitted discussion we was gathered strongly reorganisation amalgamations to of Committee industry ideas to trying to on t h e and that build up shifting it was a sands that the problem was far solution and that case solution in gave of aporoach. should be one to lend a consultative personal Committee in any line we o f f e r e d these the Executive that and action They of agreements view simple but Hurst course energies sale them. slow series Executive compulsory any p a r t i c u l a r that Sir was the definite a develop associations. We e x p r e s s e d intricate the in to to was very arranged with led tended progress take the current its and trade of in explanation defensive structure we m u s t frankly and and reorganisation members position true of We a c c o r d i n g l y on t h e of scheme progress accordingly undoubtedly the individual lack initiated in we d e c i d e d discussed the outlook forward. the thus them me a u n a n i m o u s 10th which they they so were seen in October which that they I held still accepted services if assurance we We w e r e the capacity discussions on t h e -6­ for too of desired. a meeting attended would when proceed forthwith to prepare a scheme Sir Alfred Hurst to Sir Alfred Hurst may h a v e subsequent been proceedings invaluable knowledge assist of in the been giving industry. Not of the Committees referred themselves of The months is National seen the to co-operation has to industry he with the the the also that course industry of has fuller etc., numerous several at work meetings trade been glad enclosed industry the of letter a to past from the for the scheme with the covering avail the National scheme was a c c e p t e d in general view Committee of the had been of the nature of extended consuming for Chairman of interests A Committee scheme this the future outline the five memorandum. of representatives the opinions, above but proceedings submitting the of In in Committee attended have any a s s i s t a n c e render meeting appended. this only of Committee of able from invited help. in the minutes which of his outcome organisation of the Apart personalities, the in subsequently the Advisory in Associations they them. his forces, and is copy at also the personnel meeting affected to by include the scheme. As of stated approval was dissentients object were of to not iron the are scheme steel in makers se, make meeting, and considerably modified as other of the dissentients, Steel it scheme. final Company of the of 6, the resolution and of iron, that with of those that they This was raised is steel Scotland some p r o s p e c t of - further producer a firm six not their other desirable view the who d i d considered result only to foundry but there a letter 26 v o t e s identified to the by per sufficiently and Mitchell's carried three the participate at i n Mr. interests producers should unexpectedly that it may discussion. Of i s Mr. Waiter responsible in be the Gray 1929 for only 2.5 per cent, of the total output of steel; the others being Mr. A.K. McCosh of Sir William Baird and Company who produce only pig iron, and Mr. C.E. Lloyd of Messrs. II. Hingley and Sons who are chiefly concerned with wrought iron. Mr. Lloyd s opposition was based in the main 1 on the absence of provision in the scheme for compulsory powers. There were two absentees from the meeting who had net sent word of their attitude, one of whom v/as Sir John Beale of British (Guest, Keen and Baldwins) Iron and Steel Company, with an output in 1929 of about 5 per cent, of the total. Sir J o a n Beale had opposed the scheme at earlier meetings as being premature, but was not present or represented at the final meeting. It is stated in "che covering memorandum that the scheme "may perhaps more correctly be described as a scheme for establishing the machinery whereby a reorganisation cf the industry may be effected rather than as a scheme of reorganisation itself". If by reorganisation is meant the actual alteration of the present distribution of production among the several units, the amalgamation of units, the improvement of this plant and the elimination of that, the control of prices, the pooling of effort in research, purchasing, marketing, etc., this statement is undoubtedly true, but progress in these several directions is bound to be slow without a strong central drive and adequate machinery through which it can operate. So much effort has been exerted in the past and - in the absence af effective machinery to support it - with so little permanent result that it has seemed advisable now to concentrate on the machinery. It will be seen that the machinery contemplated in the scheme is of a comprehensive character, far more comprehensive than anything which the industry has previously had in mind. Bearing in mind the strong individualistic tendencies hitherto prevalent in the industry, the keen internal rivalry that has existed in recent years, and the recurrent failures to secure any enduring basis of co-ooeration it is, we think, a notable achievement to have secured for it, even in general outline, so large a measure of support. The questions for immediate consideration are two:­ (l) Is it designed to operate in the right directions? (2) Will it operate effectively? The needs of the industry in regard to reorganisation are many sided. Owing probably to comparisons with the enormous units operating in America and on the Continent the attention of reformers, especially those outside the industry, has been concentrated in recent years on extensive physical amalgamations almost to the exclusion of other aspects of the problem. This tendency is strongly marked in the admirable report on the industry prepared by Mr. Bruce Gardner in 1930. But it was recognised in that report that amalgamations, even if carried out to the fullest extent there envisaged, would need to be supplemented by an effective central organisation with extensive functions and considerable powers and also by special schemes dealing with particular sections of trie industry. The authors of the present plan do not dissent from the view that a large measure of consolidation of production in the more efficient units, with the elimination of redundant plant, will be necessary, but they hold that physical amalgamation is not the only means to this end. The iron and steel industry of this country is not quite of the same mass production character as that of its rivals: it is far more varied and specialised, and care must be taken that in striving after the advantages 0 1 ' mass production we do not impair our exceptional position as specialists. If the right kind of amalgamations are to be secured the process must be one of growth rather than of forcible imposition from above, and must inevitably, therefore, take time. Meanwhile, the needs of the industry for avoiding uneconomic competition, for concentrating production on the more efficient units, for setting up a central control that will make sectional control effective, for providing a national organisation capable of conducting negotiations with other industries and interests at home and competitors abroad, - all these needs and others are urgent. Put in a nutshell, whereas Mr. Gardner's report begins with amalgamation and relegates other action to a secondary position, this scheme reverses the order, trusting that the processes set in operation under the scheme will lead inter alia to such amalgamatiens as are found by experience to be desirable. In considering ho v. far these purposes are likely 7 to be attained it is important to remember that the scheme is framed oh a voluntary basis. The only measure of compulsion contemplated is such as can be applied by the industry itself to its own members without statutory powers. For this to be 1 effective the proposed Corporation must obviously command the support - indeed the whole-hearted support - of the great majority of producers of pig iron and ingot steel, and the several Associations, while loyally supporting the Corporation., must themselves enjoy similar backing from their own members. Opinion in the industry is still overwhelmingly against invoking compulsory powers from any external authority for this purpose, though tho contrary view is gaining ground: indeed, the change of outlook in the last six months in regard to reorganisation generally is remarkable. The present scheme woulo. have had little chance of acceptance in September last. Even no.v, some of the support accorded to it is rather - half-hearted, and many qualifications on points of detail ­ some of which may later prove to be points of substance - are covered by the words "general outline" in the resolution of approval; nevertheless, we are confident that support and indeed enthusiasm will steadily develop with the progress of negotiations, and we attach such importance to the industry tackling its own reorganisation that wc are anxious to give it the fullest opportunity therefor. But there is no gainsaying the fact that the rate of progress will be greatly affected by the Government s 1 attitude to the scheme. If the industry can be given clearly to understand that the statement that a prosperous iron and steel industry is vital to this country is no empty platitude, that if the industry fails to put its own house in order the alternative of Government action will be resolutely faced, but that if on the other hand the industry presses on with, its scheme it can rely on Government backing either to deal with a recalcitrant minority or to support it against the most determined onslaught by a re-formed Continental steel cartel, then there is every prospect that the present apathetic acquiescence in some quarters, and even the small amount of opposition, will be won over to active support, and that the need for Government intervention will never arise. As a Committee, therefore, we recommend the scheme to the favourable consideration of the Government. Subject to any direction^ or assurances which the Government may feel able to give, we should propose in replying to the National Committee to say that we regard the scheme as a satisfactory beginning in the development of an effective organisation; that it represents, of course, little more at present than an outline of proposed machinery and of the objects to be aimed at; and that the energy and singlemindedxiess with which that machinery is det up and applied and those objects are pursued must determine the Committee's attitude in regard to protective measures in future. The Committee would propose to maintain their present intimate relations with the industry and do all in their power to assist the progress of the scheme. The scheme has already received a considerable amount of unauthorised publicity, and it is desirable that it should be published officially at an early date. On receiving the Government's decision we propose to reply to the National Committee forthwith, and to issue that reply together with Mr. Mitchell'3 letter and enclosures to the Press . Public opinion can play a useful part in keeping the industry steadfastly along the path which it has now planned for itself. (Signed) G.E. MAY. 24th March, 1955. ENCLOSURE III, NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE IRON & STEEL INDUSTRY. Caxton House, Tothill Street, Westminster, S.W.I. 13th March, 1933. Sir George May, Bt., Chairman, Import Duties Advisory Committee, Caxton House, Tothill Street, S.W.I. Dear Sir, In our first Report to you, dated 29th September, we stated that "the industry has devised an organisation which is progressively working towards the national solution of its many problems", but pointed out that progress was handicapped by the then tentative nature of the protective duties which were subject to review every three months. This on the one hand encouraged the con­ tinued consumption of foreign material and the maintenance of low price levels by competing countries in their deter­ mination to retain their market in this country, and on the other hand, the same uncertainty handicapped the prospective expenditure of additional capital. After receipt of this Report you were good enough to attend a meeting of the National Executive Committee on October 10th at which the difficulties of the problem were frankly discussed: the Committee then gave you a definite assurance that they would press on with the preparation of a scheme. This assurance enabled yon to recommend to the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury that the duties should be continued for a further period of not less than two years from the 26th October, 1932 "subject to satisfactory progress being made in the preparation of the scheme of Reorganisation and in putting the approved scheme into force", and in due course the Treasury made an Order giving effect to this recommendation. I have now to report that after you had left the meeting of October 10th Sir William Larke and I were re­ quested by the Committee forthwith to prepare a Memorandum on the future course of procedure and were authorised to consult Sir Alfred Hurst who had been good enough to offer to assist the Committee, and I would like to say here how much we have valued the assistance we have received from Sir Alfred Hurst which,has been most useful and very ungrudgingly given. In the preparation of the scheme we have also been helped by discussions with the Chairmen of the four Regional Committees. A Memorandum suggesting in broad outline a scheme of reorganisation was first submitted to the National Executive Committee on the 27th October .1932 and, after amendment in the course of further discussions, was sub­ mitted to the National Committee on November 16th, 1932. The National Executive Committee, after considering it, passed the following resolution 'nemine contradicente':­ "That t h e s t r u c t u r e of t h e scheme h e a c c e p t e d i n p r i n c i p l e and t h a t t h e Sub-Committee responsible for its preparation be requested t o d r a f t t h i s scheme i n g r e a t e r d e t a i l f o r the c o n s i d e r a t i o n of t h e Executive Committee i n t h e f i r s t i n s t a n c e , and on a p p r o v a l by them, t h e scheme t o b e s u b m i t t e d t o t h i s Committee f o r a p p r o v a l o r amendment b e f o r e further action is taken." Following this resolution further consideration was g i v e n t o t h e m a t t e r by t h e Sub-Committee and by t h e E x e c u t i v e C o m m i t t e e a n d t h e s c h e m e w h i c h I now e n c l o s e w a s recommended to t h e N a t i o n a l Committee by a r e s o l u t i o n passe by t h e N a t i o n a l E x e c u t i v e Committee a t i t s m e e t i n g h e l d on F e b r u a r y 22nd i n t h e f o l l o w i n g t e r m s : ­ "That t h i s scheme b e r e f e r r e d t o t h e N a t i o n a l Committee and recommended for a c c e p t a n c e by them as p r o v i d i n g machinery whereby t h e p r o g r e s s i v e o r g a n i s a t i o n o f t h e i n d u s t r y may be achieved. " The scheme was t h e r e u p o n c i r c u l a t e d t o t h e t h i r t y f o u r members o f t h e N a t i o n a l C o m m i t t e e and a s p e c i a l m e e t i n g of t h e Committee was convened on t h e 1 0 t h March. At t h a t meeting a f t e r f u l l d i s c u s s i o n the following r e s o l u t i o n was moved and c a r r i e d b y t w e n t y - s i x v o t e s t o s i x : " T h i s N a t i o n a l C o m m i t t e e a c c e p t s t h e Memorandum d a t e d F e b r u a r y 22nd and t h e g e n e r a l o u t l i n e of t h e scheme r e f e r r e d t o t h e r e i n , and d i r e c t s that i t be forwarded forthwith to the Import Duties Advisory Committee, t o g e t h e r v/ith a s t a t e m e n t of t h e measure of s u p p o r t a c c o r d e d t o i t b y this Committee, t h i s a c t i o n being in fulfilment of the undertaking given by the National Executive Committee on O c t o b e r 1 0 t h l a s t t o t h e Chairman of t h e Import D u t i e s Advisory Committee." Of t h e s i x d i s s e n t i e n t s , t h r e e a r e m a k e r s o f f o u n d r y p i g i r o n who i t i s u n d e r s t o o d d i d n o t o b j e c t t o t h e scheme p e r se b u t c o n s i d e r e d t h a t t h e i r i n t e r e s t s were n o t s u f f i c i e n t l y i d e n t i f i e d w i t h t h o s e of t h e o t h e r p r o d u c e r s o f i r o n a n d s t e e l t o make i t d e s i r a b l e t h a t t h e y s h o u l d p a r t i c i p a t e in t h e scheme. Of t h e o t h e r d i s s e n t i e n t s , one was a m a n u f a c t u r e r o f p i g i r o n , one a w r o u g h t i r o n m a k e r arid t h e o t h e r a s t e e l m a k e r . We t r u s t t h a t t h e A d v i s o r y C o m m i t t e e w i l l a g r e e t h a t the e n c l o s e d scheme should, s u b j e c t t o t h e maintenance cf p r o t e c t i v e d u t i e s a t an e f f e c t i v e l e v e l , p r o v i d e s a t i s ­ f a c t o r i l y f o r t h e p r o g r e s s i v e r e o r g a n i s a t i o n of t h e i n d u s t r y - a r e o r g a n i s a t i o n which should enable i t again t o t a k e i t s r i g h t f u l p l a c e i n t h e n a t i o n a l economy, and i n s o d o i n g t o make a n i n c r e a s e d c o n t r i b u t i o n t o n a t i o n a l e m p l o y ­ ment. Yours faithfully, (Sgd.) CHARLES M I T C H E L L . ENCLOSURE IV. Strictly Private and Confidential. 14th March, 1 9 3 3 . The Reorganisation of the Iron and Steel Industry. I. MEMORANDUM. 1. At the m e e t i n g of representatives of the Iron and Steel Industry w i t h t h e Import Duties Advisory Committee on t h e 3rd J u n e , 1 9 3 2 , a n undertaking w a s given on behalf of the industry in return for t h e grant of protection t o prepare a scheme of reorganisation. T h e assurance then given w a s categoricafly renewed b y the E x e c u t i v e Committee of t h e National Committee of t h e industry o n the 1 0 t h October. T h e s c h e m e a p p e n d e d hereto has been prepared in accordance w i t h the resolution of the National C o m m i t t e e at their m e e t i n g o n the 16th N o v e m b e r , 1932. I n arriving at that resolution t h e N a t i o n a l Committee recognised that t h e problems of t h e industry were far too complex a n d m a n y sided t o admit of a n y simple or immediate solution. T h e scheme now presented m a y perhaps more correctly be described as a scheme for establishing t h e machinery whereby a reorganisation of the industry m a y be carried o u t rather t h a n a s a scheme of reorganisation itself a n d its ultimate success will entirely depend upon the vigour a n d singlc-mindedness with which that machinery is used. It has purposely been drawn on broad lines and with an elastic structure, so as t o be readily adaptable t o t h e c o n s t a n t l y changing conditions of trade a n d industry. 2. T h e case for a reorganisation of t h e British Iron a n d Steel Industry arises partly from the general world situation in regard t o production a n d c o n s u m p t i o n and partly from features peculiar to itself. I n few industries did t h e War period result in s o large a n expansion of world productive capacity as in t h e Iron a n d Steel I n d u s t r y : i n few has t h e post-war period seen so marked a development of economic nationalism. On the other hand, there has in t h e last three years been a great falling off in t h e world d e m a n d for iron a n d steel, a n d t h e prospects of an early return to the level of 1929 are not encouraging. Under such conditions it seems probable that the orderly progress of the industry c a n only b e secured b y t h e regulation of production in relation to demand both b y international agreements a n d also, e v e n within the protection of tariff walls, by applying s o m e degree of control t o t h e individual producers of each country. T h e attached scheme a i m s first, therefore, at setting u p a n organisation in this country w h i c h will h a v e t h e power t o negotiate such arrange­ m e n t s w i t h producers abroad, a n d will b e in a position t o a p p l y the necessary degree of control at h o m e t o t h e benefit b o t h o f t h e industry a n d of t h e nation generally. 3. B u t in regard t o t h e British Iron a n d Steel I n d u s t r y mere regulation of production in relation to d e m a n d will n o t alone suffice t o place it i n a position t o p l a y its proper part in t h e national economy. T h e Iron a n d Steel I n d u s t r y of this country reached m a t u r i t y i n the d a y s of individualism and the continuance of free access t o foreign supplies of raw a n d semi-manufactured materials has resulted in its retaining m u c h of i t s c o m p l e x individualistic organisation long after its competitors in other countries h a v e become highly rationalised. S u c h a situation might be tolerable in years of pros­ perity, b u t under conditions of surplus production the existence of m a n y small, out-of-date, or inefficient p l a n t s has handicapped others in keeping abreast of their competitors abroad. A consider­ able a m o u n t of leeway b o t h in e q u i p m e n t a n d in organisation has, therefore, t o be made u p in various sections of the industry before i t s condition can b e considered t o be thoroughly sound. 4. If foreign analogies are t o be trusted, further consolidation of t h e industry b o t h b y w a y of horizontal groupings a n d vertical a m a l g a m a t i o n s will b e found desirable, b u t this process is necessarily difficult and l e n g t h y a n d it is impossible t o trust t o this course for an immediate, or even ultimately a complete, solution of present difficulties. "\Miile leaving full scope for such consolidation, therefore, t h e s c h e m e proceeds t o seek a solution b y co-operative action under which the interests of t h e industry are safeguarded t o t h e m a x i m u m possible e x t e n t , while it is evolving an organisation adequate t o present d a y needs. 5. F o r this purpose i t is proposed t o adapt and improve on the existing machinery of Trade Associations and t h e National Federation of Iron and Steel Manufacturers, grouping the Associations, which arc a t present m a i n l y price m a i n t e n a n c e bodies, i n t o a smaller number of effective instruments for the control of production in t h e several m a m divisions of the industry, and giving a n e w central organisation t h e power, which t h e Federation n o w lacks, to support a n d co-ordinate t h e activities of the Associations and to give effect to t h e will of the industry in matters of general policy extending b e y o n d t h e sphere of a n y one Association. I t is proposed t o mark t h i s considerable development b e y o n d t h e existing p o w e r s and functions of t h e Federation b y constituting t h e new organisation " T h e Iron and Steel Corporation of Great Britain." 6. It is believed that national interests, n o less than those of the industry itself, can best be served if this m a t t e r of reorganisation is taken in hand b y t h e industry rather than b y external authority and the scheme has been framed on this basis. I t is hoped that the scheme m a y be made effective w i t h o u t s t a t u t o r y power, but it m u s t be recognised that this depends on its acceptance ultimately b y the bulk of the industry. Assuming t h a t at the outset all substantial producers of pig iron a n d ingot steel a n d a good majority of t h e manufacturers of secondary products join the proposed Corporation, it would be able to exert pressure on a n y opposing section b y suitable rebate schemes. These might provide on the one h a n d for preferential prices for supplies to members of the Corpora­ tion and on the other bind purchasers b y m e a n s of special rebates to take o n l y products of the Cor­ poration. Should, however, the minority of the i n d u s t i y standing out against the scheme prove to be substantial, it would probably b e c o m e necessary to seek s t a t u t o r y powers. 7. An important question arises at the outset as to w h a t is t o b e regarded as the Iron and Steel Industry for the purpose of t h e scheme. T h e ramifications of the industry e x t e n d i n t o every phase of the national life and if the tariff on imported iron and steel is to be maintained at an effective -level, the G o v e r n m e n t and Parliament will need t o be assured that the interests of consumers of steel are properly safeguarded. F o r this purpose it is essential t h a t the Corporation, to which it is proposed to entrust considerable powers, should contain a considerable representation of the con­ suming interests. This does not m e a n that all users of steel should be so represented, including such substantial industries as shipbuilding, the railways or the motor car industry. Indeed, this would give an unnecessarily cumbrous structure besides introducing excessive diversity of interest. Perhaps the m o s t convenient principle to follow would be t o include all t h e main activities which are c o m m o n l y associated w i t h t h e manufacture of iron a n d steel. The application of this principle results in a reasonable balance of interest in the Corporation a n d at the s a m e time brings within its purview m o s t of the difficulties arising from the competition of fully integrated plants with secondary pro­ ducers purchasing semi-finished steel as their raw m a t e i i a l . - S. T h e wide range of interests so brought together in the Corporation necessarily involves a strict limitation of its powers of interference w i t h t h e affairs of separate Associations and still more w i t h t h e interests of individual producers. T h e general conception underlying t h e scheme is that the respective Associations s h o u l d be the responsible agents for securing the efficient working of each section of t h e industry, being each a u t o n o m o u s in its o w n sphere, a n d that the functions of the Corporation s h o u l d be generally of a stimulating and co-ordinating character. In t h e former c a p a c i t y it would bring t o t h e assistance of each Association t h e stimulus of the general opinion of the organised industry, backed b y t h e co-operation of other Associations, as a n d when required, and by the powerful instrument of a central fund collected b y a l e v y on the national production of pig iron a n d ingot steel. A s a co-ordinating b o d y it w o u l d use its influence to secure that mutually consistent policies were followed b y t h e several Associations, it would adjust differences between them, and in collaboration with t h e m w o u l d take part in negotiations with outside interests. The Corpora­ tion acting alone w o u l d h a v e n o power of interference with the rights of a n y individual producer. 9 . Probably one of the m o s t important activities of the Corporation would be that of guiding and moulding the evolution of the present fifty or so existing associations of very varying character and effectiveness into the smaller n u m b e r of powerful production Associations envisaged under the scheme. I t is desirable t h a t the n u m b e r of associations should be kept as small as possible, con­ sistently with reasonable h o m o g e n e i t y of interest (i) in order to increase their importance ; (ii) to facilitate a policy of interchange in production ; and (iii) to secure greater compactness and efficiency in t h e general organisation. There is n o reason w h y one Association should n o t comprise a number of sections each dealing with a homogeneous group of products and co-ordinated b y the main Associa­ tion. This would u n d o u b t e d l y be necessary in t h e case of the very comprehensive Association proposed for the tmspecialised section of the steel industry. In order that this difficult process of forming the n e w association m a y be carried through within a reasonable period and without much waste of effort, it is proposed to constitute the Corporation at the outset, though it must then of course b e on a s o m e w h a t provisional basis. T h e representation of a n y Association on the Council of the Coiporation would naturally c o m e u p for revision as each w a s formally approved. 10. This does not imply that t h e Corporation would be established during t h e initial period alongside t h e Federation. Such a course would only lead to duplication and confusion. T h e Cor­ poration is intended to be the lineal descendant of the Federation, absorbing, as and when constituted, all t h e existing functions and organisation of that b o d y . T h e change over could not, however, in a n y event be made until t h e existing members of the Federation had decided b y the necessary two-thirds majority v o t e , required under its constitution, on its dissolution. II. SCHEME OF FUTURE ORGANISATION. I. General Organisation. T h e British Iron a n d Steel Industry shall be organised on t h e basis of a number of approved Associations, each dealing with a group of similar products, and a central body co-ordinating Associations a n d incorporated either under R o y a l Charter or under the Companies Act, called the Iron a n d Steel Corporation of Great Britain. 2. Membership. All producers of iron and steel in t h e U n i t e d Kingdom, and all firms in t h e United Kingdom substantially engaged in the,manufacture of products-of a n y of the classes n a m e d in 6 (d) below, shall be entitled t o b e c o m e ordinary members of their appropriate Associations a n d of the Corporation and all necessary steps shall be taken t o secure as soon as possible that the Corporation includes all such producers of iron a n d steel a n d that t h e respective Associations include all firms substantially engaged in each section of t h e industry. W i t h this end in view all members of t h e Corporation shall automatically become members of t h e Associations dealing with their respective products when c o n s t i t u t e d a n d approved. 3. Functions. T h e Corporation shall be empowered (a) t o provide services of an advisory character for t h e assistance of its members a n d Associations, e.g., statistics, trade intelligence as t o h o m e a n d foreign markets a n d transport facilities, research of all kinds, propaganda a n d guidance on e m p l o y m e n t , financial, technical, transport, legal a n d other questions ; (b) t o promote t h e formation of approved Associations on the lines set out below a n d t o exercise such measure of supervision over t h e m in m a t t e r s of general policy a n d matters affecting more than one Association a s is necessary t o secure the orderly progress of the i n d u s t r y ; (c) b y agreement with approved Associations t o provide, or assist in the provision of, services of general benefit t o their members, s u c h a s secretarial services, central purchasing, c o m m o n marketing, research, etc. ; (d) t o assist approved Associations in a n y measures calculated to promote t h e efficient organisation of their respective sections of t h e industry including : (i) t h e promotion of desirable a m a l g a m a t i o n s of existing undertakings a n d extensions a n d improvement of p l a n t as a n d w h e n required ; (ii) t h e prevention of unnecessary duplication of p l a n t whether b y existing m e m b e r s of the association or b y other producers. (e) t o co-operate with approved Associations in promoting t h e export trade in iron a n d s t e e l ; ( / ) t o adjust m a t t e r s i n dispute between Associations a n d t o decide a n y question referred to it under t h e rules of a n y A s s o c i a t i o n ; (g) t o a c t on behalf of t h e industry generally—in collaboration, where appropriate, with representatives of a n y Associations specially concerned—in all negotiations a n d other proceedings with outside interests, e.g., other industries, transport authorities, t h e Government, Parliament, foreign Governments, foreign industries, etc. 4. Management of the Corporation. T h e Corporation shall operate through an Annual General Meeting, a Council, a n E x e c u t i v e Committee and four Regional Committees, together with national Advisory Committees for Wages, Transport, Research a n d other m a t t e r s as m a y be found necessary. 5. Annual General Meeting. A n A n n u a l General Meeting, which all members of t h e Corporation will be entitled t o a t t e n d , shall be called b y t h e E x e c u t i v e Committee. T h e meeting shall receive a n annual report a n d s t a t e m e n t of accounts from the Council a n d give such/iirections a s m a y be necessary from time to time i n regard t o t h e general scope of t h e activities of t h e Corporation. b. Constitution of Council. T h e Council of t h e Corporation shall be constituted a s follows : (rt) a whole t i m e permanent chairman t o be appointed b y t h e members of t h e Council selected under (c) a n d (d) ; (b) the Chairman of the British Iron a n d Steel E x p o r t Association (Clause 14) ; (c) nine representatives of the four Regional Committees, i.e., t h e Chairman a n d one nominee of each Committee ( t w o from t h e Midlands). These nine to be all producers of pig iron or ingot s t e e l ; (d) one m e m b e r specially representative of each of t h e following t e n sections of the industry, being n o m i n a t e d b y t h e appropriate Associations a s a n d w h e n formed a n d in t h e m e a n ­ t i m e b y existing Associations covering t h e products in question : W r o u g h t Iron Special Steels Steel Castings Forgings Re-rolled Products Sheets Tin Plates Tubes Wire Fabricated Steelwork. T h e Council shall appoint a Secretary w h o shall also be Secretary of the E x e c u t i v e Committee. 7. Meetings, etc., of Council. T h e Council shall meet a t least once a quarter a n d all elected members shall hold office for three years a n d b e eligible for re-election. 8. Executive Committee. T h e ordinary administration of t h e Corporation, subject t o the general a u t h o r i t y of t h e Council, shall be in t h e h a n d s of an E x e c u t i v e C o m m i t t e e of eight, as follows : (a) (6) (c) (d) T h e Chairman of t h e Corporation acting a s Chairman of t h e Committee. T h e Chairman of t h e British Iron a n d Steel E x p o r t Association. T h e four Chairmen of t h e Regional Committees. T w o other members elected b y t h e t e n representatives in G (d) a b o v e , one to retire e v e r y t w o years b u t t o b e eligible for re-election. 9. Regional Committees. A Regional Committee, representative of interests comprised in the Corporation shall be c o n s t i t u t e d for each of t h e four regions, t o be elected b3' members of t h e Cor­ poration in t h e respective regions. In order t o secure t h e establishment of authoritative Committees at the earliest possible m o m e n t after t h e inception of t h e scheme, the first election shall be m a d e by existing m e m b e r s of t h e Federation in t h e respective regions. One-third of t h e members shall retire every t w o years, b u t to be eligible for re-election. 10. Functions of the Regional Committees. T h e Regional Committees shall exercise such powers a n d duties a s m a y from t i m e to time b e delegated t o t h e m b y t h e Council of t h e Corporation. 11. ways: Income of the Corporation. T h e income of t h e Corporation shall be derived in t w o (a) b y a n annual l e v y per t o n , p a y a b l e b y producers of pig iron a n d ingot steel under legal agreement for a term of n o t less t h a n t e n years : such agreement shall provide a maxi­ m u m rate of l e v y for each class of product w i t h i n which limits t h e Council m a y levy such a proportion as m a y from t i m e to t i m e prove n e c e s s a r y ; (b) b y a l e v y o n all members of t h e Corporation w h o do n o t produce p i g iron or ingot steel not exceeding 5 / - per £ 1 0 0 w a g e s paid p e r a n n u m or b y such other m e t h o d s as m a y be approved. 12. Associations. W i t h a v i e w t o t h e avoidance of wasteful competition a n d t h e concentration of production in t h e more efficient units, t h e industry shall be organised into a n u m b e r of production Associations each comprising t h e manufacturers of a group of products. T h e existing Associations shall b e combined, a s soon a s m a y b e , into t h e following Associations t o b e approved under Clause 13 below: 1. P i g Iron a n d Ferro Alloys. 2. B l o o m s , slabs, billets, plates, angles, sections, joists, sheet a n d t i n plate bars, rails a n d re-rolled products such as rods, bars, h o o p a n d strip. 3. Wrought Iron in all forms. 4. Special Steels i n all forms. 5. Steel Castings. 6. Forgings. 7. Sheets. 8. Tinplates. 9. T u b e s . 10. Wire. 11. Fabricated Steelwork. 13. Constitution of Associations. A s a condition of approval b y t h e Corporation t h e constitu­ tion of each Association shall contain provisions, t o t h e satisfaction of t h e Council of t h e Corporation— (a) for ensuring its permanence a n d comprehensiveness ; (b) for preventing wasteful competition a m o n g i t s m e m b e r s while reasonably safeguarding t h e interests of t h e members of other associations in t h e Corporation ; (c) for securing t h e progressive concentration of production i n t h e more efficient plants ; (d) for eliminating redundant a n d inefficient plants b y agreement w i t h proprietors on p a y ­ ment of suitable c o m p e n s a t i o n ; (e) for affording assistance, where necessary, t o t h e export trade ; ( / ) for s u b m i t t i n g for t h e concurrence of t h e Council of t h e Corporation decisions on general policy, agreements, a n d other matters affecting other sections of t h e industry. 14. British Iron and Steel Export Association. A l l Associations approved under Clause 13 shall be eligible for membership of a British Iron a n d Steel E x p o r t Association or Company, t h e constitution of w h i c h shall c o m p l y w i t h t h e provisions of Clause 13 (a) (J) (e) a n d ( / ) a b o v e . AS A P P R O V E D B Y N A T I O N A L COMMITTEE 10th March, 1 9 3 3 . W.J.L. ENCLOSURE V Private & Confidential. MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE IRON AND STEEL INDUSTRY HELD AT CAXTON HOUSE ON FRIDAY, 1 0 t h MARCH, 1933 AT 1 0 . 3 0 A.M. PRESENT: Mr. C. M i t c h e l l ( I n t h e C h a i r ) , Major J . M . Bevan, Mr. Fred C l e m e n t s , Mr. J o h n C r a i g , C . 3 . E . , Mr. J . D a v i s o n , Mr. E . J . Fox, Mr. E . J . G e o r g e , M r . A . J . G r a n t , Mr. A. Gray, Mr. W.G. Gray, Mr. J . H a l l i d a y , Mr. A. H i b b e r t , C a p t . R . S . H i l t o n , Mr. J . E . Jame s , M r . C.W. K a y s e r , Mr. C . E . L l o y d , Mr. W.R. L y s a g h t , Mr. A . C . M a c d i a r m i d , Mr. A.K. McCorh, Mr. A.N. M c Q u i s t a n , C o l . J . 3 . N e i l s o n , C a p t . A.H. Read, Mr. F . J . R e e s , Mr. Fred S m i t h , S i r T. K a r r i s S p e n c e r , Mr. H.G. S t o b a r t , Mr. R . F . Summers ( r e p r e s e n t i n g Mr. H. Summers), Mr. D.N. T u r n e r , Mr. E . A . W i l l s o n , S i r C h a r l e s W r i g h t , B t , C . B . 0 Also Pre s e n t Mr. Sir Mr. Mr. G.S.McLay, S i r A l f r e d H u r s t , K . B . E . , C.B. William Larke . K.B.E. ( S e c r e t a r y ) , M.S. B i r k e t t , O.B.E. ( A s s t . S e c r e t a r y ) , W.G. Tubman. A p o l o g i e s f o r i n a b i l i t y t o be p r e s e n t vrere i n t i m a t e d from S i r J o h n B e a l e , S i r W i l l i a m F i r t h and Mr. G.H. J o h n s o n . IS. MINUTES. The M i n u t e s of t h e M e e t i n g h e l d on November 1 6 t h , 1 9 3 2 , w e r e c o n f i r m e d and s i g n e d . The Chairman e x t e n d e d t h e h e a r t y welcome o f t h e Committee t o t h e new members r e c e n t l y a p p o i n t e d by t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s A d v i s o r y Committee who were p r e s e n t f o r t h e f i r s t t i m e . 1 9 . SCHEME OF ORGANISATION DATED 22nd FEBRUARY. Before a s k i n g f o r o b s e r v a t i o n s on t h e scheme of o r g a n i s a t i o n d a t e d 22nd F e b r u a r y , which had been c i r c u l a t e d , Mr. M i t c h e l l gave a b r i e f r e v i e w of t h e e v e n t s l e a d i n g up to t h e p r e s e n t p o s i t i o n , T h i s resume i s c i r c u l a t e d w i t h t h e s e M i n u t e s . S i n c e t h e scheme was c i r c u l a t e d t h e Committee r e s ­ p o n s i b l e f o r t h e scheme d e s i r e d t o i n t r o d u c e two s l i g h t m o d i f i c a t i o n s which he would a s k S i r A l f r e d H u r s t t o e x p l a i n . S i r Alfred Hurst said t h a t the f i r s t m o d i f i c a t i o n d e a l t with t h e q u e s t i o n of m e m b e r s h i p . I t was e s s e n t i a l t h a t t h e scheme s h o u l d h a v e t h e b a c k i n g of a l l i n d i v i d u a l p r o d u c e r s of i r o n and s t e e l b u t i t was n o t e s s e n t i a l t h a t a l l c o n s u m e r s s h o u l d be members of t h e C o r p o r a t i o n a s w e l l as of t h e i r r e s p e c t i v e A s s o c i a t i o n s in t h e i r i n d i v i d u a l c a p a c i t i e s . I t was t h e r e ­ f o r e p r o p o s e d t o m o d i f y c l a u s e I I d e a l i n g w i t h membership so t h a t the l i n e s 7 and 8 a t p r e s e n t r e a d i n g both C o r p o r a t i o n and A s s o c i a t i o n s i n c l u d e a s f a r a s p o s s i b l e a l l f i r m s s u b s t a n t i a l l y ongaged i n t h e i n d u s t r y " should read " t o secure t h a t the Corporation i n c l u d e s a l l such p r o ­ duce 's of i r o n and s t e e l a s soon as p o s s i b l e and t h a t t h o r e s p u c t i v e a s s o c i a t i o n s include a l l firms, s u b s t a n t i a l l y en­ gaged i n e a c h s e c t i o n of t h o i n d u s t r y " . L i n o s 1 1 t o 15 of c l a u s e I I commencing " v i c e v e r s a " down t o "10 y e a r s " s h o u l d be o m i t t e d . The second m o d i f i c a t i o n was i n c l a u s e XI d e a l i n g w i t h income; t h e o p i n i o n had b e e n e x p r e s s e d t h a t t h i s c l a u s e was n o t s u f f i c i e n t l y e l a s t i c and t h a t c o n s i d e r a t i o n might show t h a t i t was n o t n e c e s s a r y f o r a l l s e c t i o n s of t h e i n d u s t r y t o c o n t r i b u t e the same amount p e r t o n t o t h e l e v y which was t o g i v e t h e d r i v i n g power t o t h e . C o r p o r a t i o n . I t had t h e r e f o r e been p r o p o s e d t h a t c l a u s e x r s h o u l d be m o d i f i e d t o r e a d a s follows: a by an a n n u a l l e v y p e r ton p a y a b l e by p r o d u c e r s of p i g i r o n and i n g o t s t e e l under l e g a l a g r e e m e n t f o r a term of n o t l e s s than ten y e a r s . Such a g r e e m e n t s h a l l p r o v i d e a maximum r a t e of l e v y f o r each c l a s s o f p r o d u c t w i t h i n which l i m i t s t h e C o u n c i l may l e v y such a p r o p o r t i o n a s may from time t o time p r o v e n e c e s s a r y " . This l e v y t o be on t h e home p r o d u c t i o n of i n g o t s t e e l and of p i g i r o n where n o t c o n v e r t e d i n t o s t e e l . PIr. S t o b a r t a s k e d w h e t h e r i t was e s s e n t i a l t h a t t h e l e v y c o n t e m p l a t e d u n d e r C l a u s e X I ( b ) s h o u l d be b a s e d on wages and i t was a g r e e d t h a t some o t h e r b a s i s might be a g r e e d f o r c e r t a i n s e c t i o n s of t h i s i n d u s t r y , and i t was t h e r e f o r e a g r e e d t o add t o c l a u s e X l ( b ) " o r by s u c h o t h e r method as may be approved" . C a p t . H i l t o n asked whether the a l t e r a t i o n s s u g g e s t e d by t h e R e g i o n a l Committees had b e e n c o n s i d e r e d , b u t Mr. M i t c h e l l e x p l a i n e d t h a t the m a t t e r had n o t been r e f e r r e d t o R e g i o n a l Copies Committees f o r d e t a i l e d c o n s i d e r a t i o n a t t h i s s t a g e o f t h e scheme had o n l y been s e n t s o t h a t t h e R e g i o n a l Committees c o u l d d i s c u s s t h e scheme w i t h t h e i r c h a i r m e n . If the Midlands R e g i o n a l Committee wished any m a j o r p o i n t of p r i n c i p l e d i s c u s s e d he would be g l a d i f C a p t . H i l t o n would b r i n g i t f o r w a r d . C a p t . H i l t o n s a i d t h a t t h e r e was some d o u b t i n t h e minds of t h e M i d l a n d s R e g i o n a l Committee w h e t h e r membership of t h e e x p o r t a s s o c i a t i o n was c o m p u l s o r y u n d e r t h e scheme or n o t ; it was p o i n t e d o u t t h a t by c l a u s e XIV a l l t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s were e l i g i b l e f o r membership of t h e B r i t i s h I r o n and S t e e l E x p o r t A s s o c i a t i o n o r Company b u t t h a t i t was n o t compulsory on any a s s o c i a t i o n to j o i n . C a p t . H i l t o n s a i d t h a t most of t h e o t h e r p o i n t s were n o t m a t t e r s of p r i n c i p l e and i f i t was u n d e r ­ s t o o d t h a t f u l l c o n s i d e r a t i o n would be g i v e n t o them a t a l a t e r s t a g e he would n o t r a i s e them on t h i s o c c a s i o n . The c h a i r m a n s t a t e d t h a t i t was q u i t e u n d e r s t o o d t h a t t h e door was n o t c l o s e d t o s u b s e q u e n t m o d i f i c a t i o n of d e t a i l s of t h e s c h e m e . He hoped t h a t t h e Committee would c o n f i n e i t s e l f t o c o n s i d e r a t i o n of t h e g e n e r a l o u t l i n e of t h e s c h e m e . B Mr. Fox s t a t e d t h a t t h e makers of f o u n d r y and f o r g o p i g i r o n d e s i r e d t o be e x c l u d e d from t h e scheme. The scheme was p r i m a r i l y one f o r t h e s t e e l i n d u s t r y and i n no way c o n c e r n e d t h e makers o f f o r g o and f o u n d r y p i g i r o n . Yi/hatever t h e y ( t h e f o u n d r y and f o r g e makers) d i d c o u l d n e i t h e r h e l p nor i n j u r e t h e s t e e l i n d u s t r y and i f t h e f o u n d r y p i g i r o n m a k e r s c o n t r i b u t e d t o a l e v y t o w a r d s t h e o p e r a t i o n of t h e scheme t h e y were i n f a c t c o n t r i b u t i n g towards t h e i r c o m p e t i t o r s . One of t h e p r i m a r y f u n c t i o n s of t h e C o r p o r a t i o n would be p r o p a g a n d a on b e h a l f o f t h e h e a v y s t e e l i n d u s t r y , and w h i l e a n x i o u s t o s u p p o r t any scheme f o r t h e r e - o r g a n i s a t i o n o f t h e i n d u s t r y ho f e l t t h e y c o u l d h a r d l y bo e x p e c t e d t o c o n t r i b u t e t o w a r d s p r o p a g a n d a on Ho p o i n t e d o u t t h a t t h e p i g i r o n their competitors' behalf. i n d u s t r y was now o r g a n i s e d t o p r a c t i c a l l y 100 p e r o e n t i n a national organisation. As f a r a s he p e r s o n a l l y was c o n ­ c e r n e d he had no need f o r any t a r i f f p r o t e c t i o n f o r p i g iron. Mr. T u r n e r s u p p o r t e d Mr. Fox' v i e w s and s t a t e d t h a t t h e m a t t e r had b e e n r a i s e d a t t h e m e e t i n g of t h e M i d l a n d s R e g i o n a l Committee and had t h e sympathy of t h a t Committee. I t a p p e a r e d t o him t h a t t h e scheme had b e e n p r e p a r e d f o r t h e s t e e l t r a d e and t h a t f o u n d r y p i g i r o n m a k e r s had n o t h i n g w h a t e v e r t o do w i t h t h e s t e e l t r a d e . I f t h e scheme were p u t b e f o r e t h e p i g i r o n a s s o c i a t i o n s he was q u i t e s u r e t h e y would r e f u s e t o j o i n t h e p r o p o s e d Corporation. Mr. George p o i n t e d o u t t h a t i t was p o s s i b l e f o r o t h e r producers of p i g i r o n t o i n t e r f e r e w i t h the c l a s s of p i g i r o n t o which Mr. Fox r e f e r r e d and t h a t h i s i n t e r e s t s would be b e t t e r s a f e g u a r d e d by becoming a member of t h e Corporation. t Mr. Mc-^uistan p o i n t e d o u t t h a t some f u m a c o s p r o ­ duced a l t e r n a t i v e l y f o u n d r y and b a s i c and f o r f o u n d r y i r o n t o be c o n t r a c t e d o u t o f t h o scheme would make i t v e r y com­ plicated. C a p t . H i l t o n t h o u g h t t h a t when t h e words " i r o n and s t e e l " were u s e d most members t h o u g h t of t h e i r o n which was t o be e v e n t u a l l y c o n v e r t e d i n t o s t e e l and ho a g r e e d t h a t t h e f o u n d r y t r a d e had no c o n n e c t i o n , a s a t r a d e , w i t h t h e s t e e l t r a d e and t h a t t h e scheme m i g h t be c o m p l i c a t e d b y b r i n g i n g i n m a k e r s of f o u n d r y and f o r g e p i g i r o n . S i r V/illiam Larkc s u g g e s t e d t h a t i t would bo open t o t h e f o u n d r y m a k e r s t o j o i n as a n a s s o c i a t i o n w i t h o u t b e i n g r e q u i r e d t o j o i n i n d i v i d u a l l y and Mr. T u r n e r s t a t e d t h a t i f t h e q u e s t i o n of j o i n i n g was a l l o w e d t o r e m a i n v o l u n t a r y i t would p r o b a b l y meet t h e c a s e . Mr. George p o i n t e d c u t t h a t t h e r e was no e l e m e n t of c o m p u l s i o n i n t h e scheme w h a t e v e r and no f i r m o r a s s o c i a ­ t i o n was c o m p e l l e d t o j o i n . Sir Alfred Hurst stated that the p o i n t s just raised by Mr. Fox and o t h e r s were t h e r e a s o n f o r a l t e r i n g t h e c l a u s e d e a l i n g w i t h t h e b a s i s o f l e v y so t h a t where t h e t o n n a g e b a s i s was i n e q u i t a b l e , o r where i t was a g r e e d t h e s e r v i c e s of t h e C o r p o r a t i o n were n o t so v a l u a b l e t o a c e r t a i n s e c t i o n a s t o o t h e r s , t h e b a s i s o r r a t e of l e v y m i g h t bo m o d i f i e d . The f a c t t h a t f o u n d r y p i g i r o n m a k e r s were i n f a c t members of t h e F e d e r a t i o n s u g g e s t e d t h a t t h e y found some o f t h e s e r v i c e s w o r t h w h i l e and the c o n n e c t i o n between t h e f o u n d r y i r o n i n d u s t r y and t h e s t o o l i n d u s t r y was h a r d l y a s r e m o t e a s s u g g e s t e d by Mr. T u r n e r . I t was v e r y u n d e s i r a b l e t h a t t h o f o u n d r y m a k e r s s h o u l d bo c u t off from t h e C o r p o r a t i o n a l ­ t o g e t h e r b u t membership of t h e C o r p o r a t i o n m i g h t be l e f t voluntary. Mr. T u r n e r p o i n t e d o u t t h a t on t h e wholo i t would be b e t t o r t o l e a v e t h o f o u n d r y makors o u t of the scheme. Hb d i d n o t see why t h o p o l i c y of t h e f o u n d r y i r o n t r a d e s h o u l d come under t h e r e v i e w of a committee dominated by s t e e l p r o d u c e r s ; r a t h e r t h a n the foundry i r o n i n d u s t r y should be t a x e d f o r t h e b e n e f i t of t h e s t o e l i n d u s t r y he would be w i l l i n g to see the d u t i e s taken off p i g i r o n . Mr. George e m p h a s i s e d t h a t t h e r e was n o t h i n g i n t h e scheme t o compel t h e f o u n d r y m a k e r s t o j o i n b u t he d e p r e c a t e d m a k i n g p r o v i s i o n i n t h e scheme f o r any s p e c i f i c e x c l u s i o n s . Mr. T u r n e r asked t h a t h i s p r o t e s t a g a i n s t t h e i n c l u s i o n of t h e f o u n d r y t r a d e i n t h e scheme be r e g i s t e r e d . Mr. L y s a g h t a s k e d w h e t h e r i t was p r o p o s e d to form the A s s o c i a t i o n s b e f o r e t h e C o r p o r a t i o n and S i r A l f r e d H u r s t r e p l i e d t h a t t h e C o r p o r a t i o n must come f i r s t s i n c e i t would be l o o k e d t o t o g i v e p o w e r f u l a i d t o w a r d s p e r f e c t i n g t h e e x i s t i n g a s s o c i a t i o n s and f o r m i n g new o n e s . Mr. McCosh s t a t e d t h a t t h e scheme u n d e r c o n s i d e r a t i o n was n o t a scheme f o r r e - o r g a n i s a t i o n b u t f o r t h e s e t t i n g up of a f u r t h e r body to c o m p l e t e a scheme and c a r ^ i t o u t . In his view t h e e l e m e n t of c o m p u l s i o n was i n h e r e n t i n t h e s c h e m e : it was no u s e i g n o r i n g t h e f a c t t h a t t h e i n t e r e s t s of v a r i o u s s e c t i o n s were d i v e r g e n t and i t a p p e a r e d t o him t h a t t h e scheme proposed t o put a l l the v a r i o u s s e c t i o n s under the domination of t h e h e a v y s t e e l i n d u s t r y . The scheme could n e v e r work w i t h o u t g o o d w i l l and i t was a b s o l u t e l y n e c e s s a r y t h a t e a c h s e c t i o n s h o u l d f o o l t h a t i t was g e t t i n g a f a i r d e a l . In h i s o p i n i o n we were a t t e m p t i n g t o go t o o f a s t and i t would have b e e n f a r b e t t e r t h a t t h e scheme s h o u l d h a v e been b u i l t up from t h e R e g i o n a l Committees and the A s s o c i a t i o n s . This would h a v e g i v e n c o n f i d e n c e t h a t t h e scheme would o p e r a t e f a i r l y a s b e t w e e n t h e v a r i o u s a r e a s and s e c t i o n s c o n c e r n e d : he would be o b l i g e d t o oppose the scheme. Major H i b b e r t s t a t e d t h a t in o r d e r t o be s u c c e s s f u l t h e scheme must h a v e 100 p e r c e n t s u p p o r t from a l l t h e associations. I n h i s o p i n i o n i t was l o a d e d a g a i n s t t h e p i g iron manufacturers. He a g r e e d t h a t i t would have been b e t t e r f o r t h e C o r p o r a t i o n t o have b u i l t up from t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s . Sir Alfred Hurst r e p l i e d t h a t a l l a s s o c i a t i o n s r e ­ q u i r e d b a c k i n g up from o t h e r a s s o c i a t i o n s . Many of t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s were a t p r e s e n t i n e f f e c t i v e and i t was a b s o l u t e l y e s s e n t i a l t o h a v e some c o - o r d i n a t i n g and d r i v i n g f o r c e . Mr. C. Lloyd complained t h a t t h e scheme a v o i d e d a l l t h e t h o r n y q u e s t i o n s and d i d n o t g i v e a l l t h e h e l p w h i c h S i r Alfred Hurst claimed for i t . The o n l y h e l p which t h e C o r p o r a t i o n c o u l d g i v e t o t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s was by m o r a l suasion. Was anyone g o i n g t o bo p r e v e n t e d from e x t e n d i n g h i s p l a n t o r anyone p r e v e n t e d from s e t t i n g up a new p l a n t m e r e l y by m o r a l s u a s i o n . I t m i g h t be s a i d t h a t c o n t r o l c o u l d be o b t a i n e d by w i t h h o l d i n g s u p p l i e s or b y s e c u r i n g t h e a d h e r e n c e of consumers t o members of t h e C o r p o r a t i o n by means of a r e b a t e scheme b u t he c a l l e d t h i s i n t r i g u e . The scheme was n o t . d e m o c r a t i c ; i t was imposed from above and he s y m p a t h i s e d w i t h t h e s u g g e s t i o n of Mr. McCosh t h a t i t b e r e ­ m i t t e d t o t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s and R e g i o n a l Committees f o r t h e i r views. I n h i s o p i n i o n an e l e m e n t of c o m p u l s i o n was e s s e n t i a l and compulsory powers c o u l d be o b t a i n e d from tho Government a s t h e y a l r e a d y e x i s t e d i n tho c o a l t r a d e , t h e y were a b o u t t o be a p p l i e d i n t r a n s p o r t , and tho c o t t o n i n d u s t r y had b e e n offered them. S i r A l f r e d H u r s t asked w h e t h e r i n d u s t r y r e a l l y wanted t o a s k t h e Government t o impose c o n t r o l from w i t h o u t . He t h o u g h t t h a t t h e c o n s e n s u s o f o p i n i o n was a g a i n s t i t and t h e scheme had t r i e d t o t a k e a n o t h e r l i n e of a p p r o a c h . It l o o k e d t o t h e t r a d e t o p r o v i d e i t s own p.*wer t o c a r r y o u t i t s own scheme and by means of i t s c o n t r o l of s u p p l i e s and s y s t e m of r e b a t e s t o consumers i t c o u l d c e r t a i n l y c o n t r o l wasteful competition. He a g r e e d t h a t t h e o n l y a l t e r n a t i v e t o t h e i n d u s t r y c a r r y i n g o u t i t s own scheme was t o a p p l y t o t h e Government f o r c o m p u l s o r y p o w e r s . He r e m i n d e d t h e Committee t h a t t h e r e p o r t o f t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s A d v i s o r y Committee h a d a g r e e d t h a t "a p r o s p e r o u s i r o n and s t e e l industry is e s s e n t i a l . " He a s k e d " I s i t p r o s p e r o u s ? " Having d e c l a r e d t h a t an e f f i c i e n t and p r o s p e r o u s i r o n a n d s t e e l i n d u s t r y was e s s e n t i a l t o t h e c o u n t r y p e o p l e o u t s i d e t h e i n d u s t r y were o b l i g e d t o s e e t h a t t h e c o u n t r y p o s s e s s e d s u c h an i n d u s t r y and would e n d e a v o u r t o s e c u r e i t i f t h e i n d u s t r y , i n i t s own i n t e r e s t s , did n o t o r g a n i s e i t s e l f t o secure i t . I n o r d e r t o t e s t t h e f e e l i n g of t h e m e e t i n g , L'Ir. George t h e n p r o p o s e d t h e f o l l o w i n g r e s o l u t i o n : ­ " T h i s N a t i o n a l Committee a c c e p t s t h e Memorandum d a t e d F e b r u a r y 22nd and t h e Scheme r e f e r r e d t o t h e r e i n , and d i r e c t s t h a t i t be f o r w a r d e d f o r t h ­ w i t h t o t h e Import Duties Advisory Committee, t o ­ g e t h e r w i t h a s t a t e m e n t of t h e measure of s u p p o r t a c c o r d e d t o i t by t h i s C o m m i t t e e , t h i s a c t i o n b e i n g i n f u l f i l m e n t of t h e u n d e r t a k i n g g i v e n by t h e E x e c u t i v e Committee on O c t o b e r 1 0 t h l a s t t o t h e Chairman of t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s A d v i s o r y C o m m i t t e e . " Mr. George s t a t e d t h a t t h e c o m m i t t e e had worked f o r s e v e r a l months on t h e scheme and most of them f e l t t h a t t h e y d i d not want c o m p u l s i o n . The r e - o r g a n i s a t i o n of t h e t r a d e c o u l d o n l y b e b r o u g h t a b o u t by one of two m e t h o d s , t h a t i s , e i t h e r v o l u n t a r i l y or c o m p u l s o r i l y . He d i d n o t s e e how t h e Committee c o u l d go t o P a r l i a m e n t f o r c o m p u l s o r y powers f o r t h i s would n e c e s s a r i l y i n v o l v e t h e a c t i v e p a r t i c i p a t i o n of l a b o u r i n t h e i n d u s t r y and p o s s i b l y t h e s t a t u t o r y f i x i n g of w a g e s . The scheme i n c l u d e d t h e l e a s t p o s s i b l e e l e m e n t of c o m p u l s i o n and i n h i s o p i n i o n was t h e l e a s t t h a t c o u l d be p u t up t o a Government d e p a r t m e n t and he t h o u g h t t h e Committee would do well to accept i t . I t was hoped t h a t t h e C o r p o r a t i o n would b r i n g t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s i n t o e f f e c t i v e o p e r a t i o n and be power­ f u l .enough t o p r e v e n t t h e e v a s i o n w h i c h had b e e n c h a r a c t e r i s ­ t i c of many e x i s t i n g a s s o c i a t i o n s . C a p t . H i l t o n s u p p o r t e d Mr. George and s t a t e d t h a t t o r e f e r t h e " m a t t e r back a t t h i s s t a g e would b e a r e t r o g r a d e step. The p a s t t w e l v e months had b e e n a t e s t i n g time i n t h e h i s t o r y of t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s and i t must be a g r e e d t h a t t h e e x p e r i e n c e had n o t b e e n s a t i s f a c t o r y ; he was s u r e t h a t i f t h e scheme were i n o p e r a t i o n a l l a s s o c i a t i o n s would be assisted. Mr. L y s a g h t a s k e d i f t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s had had an o p p o r t u n i t y of d i s c u s s i n g t h e scheme and t h e c h a i r m a n r e p l i e d -Gnat i t had n o t been r e f e r r e d t o t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s a l t h o u g h many members of a s s o c i a t i o n s had h a d an o p p o r t u n i t y of s t u d y i n g t h e scheme i n t h e i r i n d i v i d u a l c a p a c i t i e s . G a p t . Read s t a t e d t h a t a t a m e e t i n g of t h e R e - R o l l e r s N a t i o n a l Committee h e l d t h e p r e v i o u s day t h e scheme was a p p r o v e d i n p r i n c i p l e but t h e Committee w i s h e d t o r e s e r v e t h e r i g h t t o suggest modifications in various d i r e c t i o n s at a l a t e r d a t e . A c o m m i t t e e of t h e R e - R o l l e r s , i n c o n j u n c t i o n w i t h t h e S t e e l M a k e r s , h a d d r a f t e d a scheme f o r c o - o p e r a t i o n i n t h e c o n t r o l of p r i c e s of s e m i - f i n i s h e d and f i n i s h e d m a t e r i a l but t h e y f e l t t h a t p r o g r e s s i n t h i s m a t t e r was p a i n f u l l y slow and hoped t h a t t h e a d o p t i o n of t h e scheme now b e i n g c o n s i d e r e d would f a c i l i t a t e a r r a n g e m e n t s of this kind. At p r e s e n t t h e r e - r o l l e r s f e l t t h a t t h e y w e r e a t t h e m e r c y of t h e s t e e l m a k e r s and t h e f a c t c o u l d not be i g n o r e d t h a t many of them f e l t t h e y w e r e not having a f a i r deal. I t was p o i n t e d out f o r i n s t a n c e t h a t s t e e l m a k e r s l e f t t o o little m a r g i n b e t w e e n t h e p r i c e of b i l l e t and t h e p r i c e of t h e f i n i s h e d m a t e r i a l and many c o m p l a i n t s h a d been r e c e i v e d t h a t t h e steel makers were u n d e r c u t t i n g t h e r e ­ rollers. He h o p e d that t h e present scheme would be a c c e p t e d and t h a t i t would a s s i s t i n t h e formation of a s s o c i a t i o n s such a s t h e r e - r o l l e r s d e s i r e d but if much f u r t h e r d e l a y o c c u r r e d i n c o n c l u d i n g t h e arrangements at -present u n d e r n e g o t i a t i o n b e t w e e n t h e steel makers and r e - - ? o l l e r s he f e a r e d that t h e r e - r o l l e r s would h a v e t o reconsider t h e i r a t t i t u d e . Mr. I T a l l i d a y , as a r e p r e s e n t a t i v e of t h e f a b r i c a t e d s t e e l i n d u s t r y , r e c o g n i s e d the need that each a s s o c i a t i o n had f o r h e l p from a central corporation. The position i n some of them was so c o m p l i c a t e d and d i f f i c u l t that it was i m p o s s i b l e t o go on unless some such scheme as that outlined were put i n t o e f f e c t . He t h o u g h t t h a t more weight should b e given t o t h e c o n s t r u c t i o n a l steel makers in the representation. Ho also t h o u g h t t h e r e s h o u l d be d i r e c t representation of constructional e n g i n e e r s on t h e R e g i o n a l Committees and that on tho Executive Committee t h e r e s h o u l d b e a t l e a s t four members vepresenting c o n s u m e r s . As f a r ­ as t h e f a b r i c a t i n g industry :;as concerned little headway would be made without the h e l p and force given In t h e scheme and he gave i t h i s support. Sir Harris Spencer wished to help i n the r e o r g a n i s a t i o n as f a r as was c o m p a t i b l e with tho interests of t h e c o n s u m e r s and reminded the Committee that L'.ir George May had s a i d t h a t t h e i n t e r e s t s of the consumers v&a&h ho looked a f t e r : up t o t h e p r e s e n t he had soon little s i g n s oi this. P r i c e s had r i s e n t o t h e detriment of tho export traae and while the scheme seemed well conceived, and the authors tfora to be thanked and c o n g r a t ­ ulatod on a good ptooo of work, ho must ask what t h e s t e e l i n d u s t r y was going t o do to as s:\Su consumers i n t h o e x p o r t t r a d e . Tho logical way to resist wan b y means of a drawback and i f i t was suggested that tho same end c o u l d be a c h i e v e d by s u b s i d i e s t h r o u g h a general fund hi could not agree. I m p o r t e d steel was not being replaced by homo produced s t e e l and t h e e f f e c t of tho tariff., had boon to i-horeic.se p r i c e s . Tho most i m p o r t a n t f u n c t i o n mentioned i n clause X l l l was t h a t d o a l i n g w i t h the p r e v e n t i o n of wasteful compotit:' on and h e was p r e p a r e d t o a s s i s t i n t h o r e o r g a n i s a t i o n or the a s s o c i a t i o n s w i t h which ho was c o n n e c t e d as noon as i t wen clear that t h i s f u n o t i o n of t h o C o r p o r a t i o n was to bo v i g o r o u s l y proceeded w i t h . - Mr, P r a n k Rocs thought chat in s p i t o of t h o r e s o l u t i o n which had boon p a s s e d by the SOutli T/alos R e g i o n a l Committee a fow days ago South -Talcs members could s u p p o r t Mr. G e o r g e ' s . r e s o l u t i o n i f i t w o r e s l i g h t l y m o d i f i e d and ho hoped Mr, George would a g r e e t o modify i t s l i g h t l y so t h a t South Wales c o u l d accept i t . S i r W i l l i a m L a r k e , a s a j o i n t a u t h o r of t h e scheme, t h o u g h t t h a t i t c o u l d not be f a r out when i t was c r i t i c i s e d by Mr. L l o y d on t h e one hand f o r n o t g o i n g f a r enough and by Mr. McCosh on t h e o t h e r a s g o i n g t o o f a r . He r e m i n d e d t h e c o m m i t t e e t h a t a s a spokesman f o r t h e i n d u s t r y i n i n t e r v i e w s w i t h t h e Government and o t h e r s h e had a l w a y s r e p u d i a t e d t h e s u g g e s t i o n t h a t i t would be n e c e s s a r y t o o r g a n i s e t h o i n d u s t r y on some such l i n e s a s t h a t of t h e E l e c t r i c i t y Board o r t h e B r i t i s h B r o a d c a s t i n g Company. He had a l w a y s m a i n t a i n e d t h a t t h e i r o n and s t e e l m a k e r s w e r e c a p a b l e o f managing t h e i r own a f f a i r s . A l l would a g r e e t h a t a p r o s p e r o u s and e f f i c i e n t i n d u s t r y was a s i n e q u a non* f o r t h e n a t i o n and t h e p r o b l e m of p u t t i n g t h e i n d u s t r y on t h a t b a s i s was now one of u r g e n c y . The r e c e n t n e g o t i a t i o n s o f t h e C o n t i n e n t t o renew t h e I n t e r n a t i o n a l S t e e l C a r t e l was a n a d d i t i o n a l g r o u n d o f u r g e n c y . E v e r y one of o\rc c o m p e t i t o r s now had a n a t i o n a l o r g a n i s a t i o n i n a f a i r way t o becoming e f f e c t i v e . The C a r t e l i n t e n d e d t o c o n c e n t r a t e i t s a t t e n t i o n on t h e e x p o r t t r a d e . T h i s w o u l d d o u b t l e s s soon i n v o l v e o r g a n i s e d c o m p e t i t i o n a g a i n s t t h i s c o u n t r y i n a l l m a r k e t s of t h e world and i f t h e C a r t e l s u c c e e d e d i n i t s e f f o r t s t h e p o s i t i o n of t h e i n d u s t r y i n t h i s c o u n t r y would b e e x c e e d i n g l y d i f f i c u l t . We c o u l d n o t meet o r g a n i s e d c o m p e t i t i o n on t h e b a s i s of i n d i v i d u a l units. F u l l c o n s i d e r a t i o n had been g i v e n t o t h e s u g g e s t i o n t h a t t h e now C o r p o r a t i o n s h o u l d b e b u i l t up from t h e t r a d e a s s o c i a t i o n s and w i t h r e g i o n a l r e p r e s e n t a t i o n b u t a s t h e q u e s t i o n was s t u d i e d i t became c l e a r e r t h a t i t was e s s e n t i a l t o p r o v i d e a c e n t r e from which i t would be p o s s i b l e t o h e l p each o f t h e a s s o c i a t i o n s t o t i g h t e n up i t s o r g a n i s a t i o n and t o a f f o r d m u t u a l s u p p o r t f o r each o t h e r . He hoped t h e scheme would f a c i l i t a t e t h e c o m p l e t e o r g a n i s a t i o n i n export m a r k e t s . He t h o u g h t t h a t t h e e x p o r t s i d e of t h e i n d u s t r y s h o u l d b e so o r g a n i s e d t h a t a l l p r o d u c t s c o u l d be e f f e c t i v e l y r e p r e s e n t e d i n a l l t h e m a r k e t s of t h e w o r l d . If t h e p r e s e n t scheme w e r e n o t a c c e p t e d t h e o n l y a l t e r n a t i v e , a s f a r a s h e c o u l d s e e , was t h a t t h e Government would s e t u p a n o t h e r Committee which would b e f a r l e s s s y m p a t h e t i c t o t h e i n d u s t r y and m i g h t r e p o r t i n f a v o u r of t h e f o r m a t i o n of t h e o r g a n i s a t i o n of t h e i n d u s t r y a s a u t i l i t y u n d e r t a k i n g a n d t h e p o s i t i o n o f t h e i n d u s t r y would be r e n d e r e d h o p e l e s s . f The r e s o l u t i o n of t h o S o u t h Wales R e g i o n a l Committee was t h e n r e a d t o t h e m e e t i n g b u t i t was p o i n t e d out t h a t t h e scheme h a d o n l y b e e n r e f e r r e d t o R e g i o n a l C o m m i t t e e s f o r i n f o r m a t i o n and comment. S i r A l f r e d H u r s t s t a t e d t h a t h e had been a s s o c i a t e d w i t h t h e work of t h e committee f o r t h e p a s t f i v e m o n t h s and had v e r y much e n j o y e d t h e c o n t a c t s h e h a d e s t a b l i s h e d and t h e f r i e n d s h i p s h e had made. He had found t h e work v e r y i n t e r e s t i n g and h a d b e e n r e c e i v e d s y m p a t h e t i c a l l y i n a l l q u a r t e r s . He had a ' s u s p i c i o n , h o w e v e r , t h a t amongst t h o s e h e had n o t met p e r s o n a l l y , t h e r e was a f e e l i n g t h a t h e was t h e nominee of t h e Government on t h e Committee and t h a t he was a c t i n g u n d e r Government i n s t r u c t i o n s . Ho wished t o d i s p e l any such i l l u s i o n and t o s t a t e c a t e g o r i c a l l y t h a t he had r e c e i v e d no i n s t r u c t i o n s from S i r George May, t h e P r e s i d e n t of t h e Board of T r a d e , o r anyone e l s e i n a u t h o r i t y . The o n l y h i n t ho had r e c e i v e d was one from t h e C h a n c e l l o r o f t h e Exchequer t h a t i t would b e i n a d v i s a b l e f o r him t o t a k e t h e c h a i r a t any m e e t i n g s of t h o i n d u s t r y a s t h i s might e a s i l y bo m i s i n t e r p r e t e d a s Government i n t e r f e r e n c e . Ho had c e r t a i n l y been omphatio i n e x p r e s s i n g h i s c o n v i c t i o n s b e c a u s e t h e y were g e n u i n e c o n v i o t i o n s . Ho agrood t h a t i t was a b s o l u t e l y e s s e n t i a l t h a t t h e Corporation should have an independent chairman. From h i s r e a d i n g of t h e p o s i t i o n i t seemed p r o b a b l e t h a t t h o m a j o r i t y of t h e c o m m i t t e e would a c c e p t t h e scheme. I f s o ho hoped t h a t t h o y would make t h e v o t e unanimous f o r i t would bo most u n f o r t u n a t e i f i t s h o u l d h a v e t o be a d m i t t e d t h a t t h e scheme came from a d i v i d e d i n d u s t r y . He would t h e r e f o r e s u g g e s t t h a t i f on a f i r s t v o t e t h e r e was a m a j o r i t y i n f a v o u r of t h e scheme t h e c o m m i t t e e would c o n s i d e r t h e a d v i s a b i l i t y of t a k i n g a f u r t h e r v o t e on which t h e s u p p o r t c o u l d d o made u n a n i m o u s . He was n o t e x a g g e r a t i n g when ho s a i d t h a t many i n d u s t r i e s w e r e l o o k i n g t o t h e i r o n and s t o o l i n d u s t r y t o g i v e a l e a d a n d t h a t t h e i r c o m p e t i t o r s on t h e C o n t i n e n t were w a t c h i n g d e v e l o p m e n t s p e r h a p s w i t h a c e r t a i n amount o f c y n i c i s m b u t c e r t a i n l y w i t h some m e a s u r e of a n x i e t y l o s t t h o B r i t i s h i n d u s t r y s h o u l d r i s e t o t h i s g r o a t o p p o r t u n i t y . Pie s i n c e r e l y hoped i t would. Mr. F r a n k Hoos s t a t e d t h a t w i t h s l i g h t m o d i f i c a t i o n h e t h o u g h t i t would bo p o s s i b l e f o r him t o s u p p o r t t h e schema and a f t e r some d i s c u s s i o n Mr. C-eorge a c c e p t e d t h e s u g g e s t i o n t o i n c o r p o r a t e i n h i s r e s o l u t i o n t h e words " t h e g e n e r a l o u t l i n e of t h o s c h e m e . ' 5 Mr. A.';".. McCosh s t a t e d t h a t i t was no u s e i g n o r i n g t h e f a c t t h a t t h o i n d u s t r y was d i v i d e d about t h e scheme and l i t t l e good would be done by a t t e m p t i n g t o f i n d a more o r l e s s i n o c u o u s f o r m u l a on which a l l c o u l d a g r e e . C o l o n e l N e i l son a s k e d w i t h whom t h e po\mr of making t h e l e v y r e s t e d and t h e r e p l y was t h a t t h e l e v y would bo f i x e d by a g r e e m e n t among t h e p r o d u c e r s : h e c o u l d n o t s u p p o r t t h e . r e s o l u t i o n without reservation regarding the levy, Mr. C-eorge in s t a t e d t h a t t h o i n c l u s i o n of t h e words " g e n e r a l o u t l i n e the r e s o l u t i o n covered Colonel N e i l s o n ' s r e s e r v a t i o n . 1 1 M r . C r a i g a s k e d what was t h e a l t e r n a t i v e of t h o s e who w e r e n o t i n f a v o u r of t h e scheme: p r e s u m a b l y t h e a l t e r n a t i v e was t o a p p l y f o r s t a t u t o r y p o w e r s . I f t h a t w e r e t h e c a s e would n o t one of t h e members opposed t o t h e scheme p u t t h i s a l t e r n a t i v e i n t h e form of an amendment. Mr. A."I. McCosh d e c l i n e d t o put a n amendment i n t h i s form b u t p o i n t e d out t h a t i n any Government scheme t h e r e would a t l e a s t be s a f e g u a r d s f o r t h e r i g h t s of m i n o r i t i e s which were n o t p r o v i d e d f o r i n t h o p r e s e n t scheme. Mr. K a y s e r r e f e r r e d t o t h e q u e s t i o n of l e v y and s t a t e d t h a t a l e v y b a s e d on wages would o p e r a t e i n e q u i t a b l y i n t h o s p e c i a l s t e e l t r a d e and w h i l e s u p p o r t i n g t h e scheme i n p r i n c i p l e he must r e s e r v e t h e r i g h t of t h e members of t h e s p e c i a l q u a l i t y s t o o l i n d u s t r y t o s u g g e s t v a r i a t i o n s i n t h e b a s i s of l e v y . F u r t h e r , h e t h o u g h t t h e p e r i o d of t e n y e a r s s u g g e s t e d was t o o l o n g and would l i k e f u r t h e r c o n s i d e r a t i o n g i v e n t o t h i s p o i n t . The c h a i r m a n a g a i n confirmed t h a t ample o p p o r t u n i t y would bo g i v e n s u b s e q u e n t l y f o r f u r t h e r c o n s i d e r a t i o n of t h e s e p o i n t s . He was c o n c e r n e d a t t h e moment t o o b t a i n a c c e p t a n c e of t h e p r i n c i p l e s of t h e scheme. Mr. G o o r g o ' s r e s o l u t i o n amended a s follows: " T h i s N a t i o n a l Commit t o e a c c e p t s t h e Memorandum d a t e d F e b r u a r y 2End and t h e g e n e r a l o u t l i n e of t h e scheme r e f e r r e d t o t h e r e i n , a n d d i r e c t s t h a t i t be forwarded f o r t h w i t h t o the Import Duties Advisory Committee, t o g e t h e r w i t h a s t a t e m e n t of t h e measure of s u p p o r t a c c o r d e d t o i t b y t h i s C o m m i t t e e , t h i s a c t i o n b e i n g i n f u l f i l m e n t of t h e u n d e r t a k i n g g i v e n by t h e E x e c u t i v e Committee on O c t o b e r 1 0 t h l a s t t o t h e Chairman of t h e Import D u t i e s A d v i s o r y C o m m i t t e e . " was t h e n a g a i n r e e d t o t h e m e e t i n g and c a r r i e d by t w e n t y - f i v e v o t e s t o f i v e d i s s e n t i e n t s , b e i n g M e s s r s . E . J . F o x , W. Gray, C. E . L l o y d , A. K. McCosh and D. N. T u r n e r . M e s s r s . Fox and T u r n e r i n t i m a t e d t h a t t h e i r o p p o s i t i o n was o n l v d i r e c t e d t o s e c u r e the" e x c l u s i o n of t h e f o u n d r y p i g i r o n i n d u s t r y . They d i d n o t o b j e c t t o t h e p r o p o s e d scheme a s one f o r t h e r e o r g a n i ­ s a t i o n of t h e s t e e l i n d u s t r y . The Chairman s t a t e d t h a t he had m e s s a g e s from S i r W i l l i a m F i r t h s u p p o r t i n g t h e scheme and from Mr. G. H. J o h n s o n o p p o s i n g i t . 2 0 . CIRCULATION OF THE SCHEME. The Committee a u t h o r i s e d t h e c i r c u l a t i o n of t h e scheme t o members of t h o s e a s s o c i a t i o n s who, i t was h o p e d , would form t h e membership of t h e C o r p o r a ­ tion. The scheme h a v i n g been a c c e p t e d by t h e Committee would a t t h i s s t a g e be sent for information o n l y . I t should con­ t i n u e t o be t r e a t e d a s c o n f i d e n t i a l and n o t f o r p u b l i c a t i o n . The scheme, a s m o d i f i e d , s h o u l d f o r t h w i t h be s u b m i t t e d t o t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s A d v i s o r y Committee and when t h e i r v i e w s on t h e scheme h a d b e e n o b t a i n e d a f u r t h e r m e e t i n g of t h e Committee would be c a l l e d t o c o n s i d e r t h e m . ENCLOSURE VI Private & Confidential. " R E S U M E 0? E V E N T S FROM J U N E N.F.I .S.M. 16-3-33. 3rd 1932 IN C O N N E C T I O N W I T H THE N A T I O N A L C0I.IT/1ITTEB G I V E N BY MR. CHAS. MITCHELL, CHAIRMAN, N A T I O N A L C O M M I T T E E ON F R I D A Y , A T A M E E T I N G O F THE MARCH 1 0 t h , 1955. The d e l i b e r a t i o n s of t h i s Committee have now r e a c h e d the c o n c l u s i o n of a d e f i n i t e s t a g e , and i t may be w e l l t o r e ­ mind the members, and p a r t i c u l a r l y t h o s e who have o n l y r e ­ c e n t l y b e e n a p p o i n t e d t o t h i s Committee - (whose a p p o i n t m e n t we welcome as r e p r e s e n t i n g i n a l a r g e d e g r e e t h e consuming t r a d e s , w i t h whom we must e s t a b l i s h t h e c l o s e s t c o - o p e r a t i o n i n o u r m u t u a l i n t e r e s t s ) - of t h e g e n e s i s of t h e Committee and the Scheme w h i c h i s s u b m i t t e d f o r y o u r c o n s i d e r a t i o n t h i s morning. On 3rd J u n e 1 9 3 2 , a m e e t i n g of r e p r e s e n t a t i v e s of t h e i r o n and s t e e l i n d u s t r y was c a l l e d by S i r George May, a s Chairman of t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s A d v i s o r y C o m m i t t e e , and a t t h a t m e e t i n g S i r George May announced tho i n t e n t i o n of t h a t Committee t o a p p o i n t a c o m m i t t e e o f t h e i n d u s t r y to c o n s i d e r what form o f o r g a n i s a t i o n c o u l d be a p p l i e d t o t h e i n d u s t r y v/hich vrould implement t h e p r o m i s e s which had b e e n made on b e ­ h a l f of tho i n d u s t r y by i t s l e a d e r s a t v a r i o u s t i m e s t o M i n i s t e r s and r e p r e s e n t a t i v e Committees of t h e C a b i n e t and t h e v a r i o u s Government Committees t h a t have b e e n a p p o i n t e d t o c o n s i d e r t h e p r o b l e m s of t h e i n d u s t r y . The q u e s t i o n h a s sometimes b e e n asked why c o n d i t i o n s s h o u l d be a t t a c h e d to tho g r a n t i n g of p r o t e c t i o n which was n e c e s s a r y t o s e c u r e t h e s u r v i v a l of t h e i n d u s t r y ; but p r o ­ t e c t i o n c o u l d o n l y be g r a n t e d w i t h t h o c o n s e n t of P a r l i a m e n t e n d o r s e d b y p u b l i c o p i n i o n , and s i n c e t h i s was a b a s i c i n d u s t r y on which i t may be b r o a d l y s t a t e d t h a t a l l o t h e r i n d u s t r i e s u l t i m a t e l y d e p e n d , and c o n s e q u e n t l y a l a r g e p r o p o r t i o n of o u r e x p o r t t r a d e , and s i n c e i t a l s o a f f e c t s m a t e r i a l l y t h e i n t e r ­ e s t s of t h e i n d i v i d u a l consumer i n t h e home m a r k e t , i t was r e c o g n i s e d t h a t t h e i n d u s t r y m u s t be in a p o s i t i o n t o g i v e a s s u r a n c e s t h a t t h e a p p l i c a t i o n of p r o t e c t i o n would r e s u l t i n national advantage. ",Vhile t h i s N a t i o n a l Committee was i n f a c t a p p o i n t e d by t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s A d v i s o r y Committee i n d i s c h a r g e of i t s r e s ­ p o n s i b i l i t y t o c o n s i d e r t h e p u b l i c i n t e r e s t i n any a d v i c e i t m i g h t t e n d e r t o H i s M a j e s t y ' s Government, i t w i l l b e a g r e e d t h a t had t h e i n d u s t r y a p p o i n t e d t h e Committee i t must have been c o n s t i t u t e d o f t h e same p e r s o n n e l . On 7 t h J u n e 1 9 3 2 , f o u r d a y s a f t e r a p p o i n t m e n t , t h e N a t i o n a l Committee mot, and e l e c t e d a n E x e c u t i v e Committee and four Regional Committoes. Terms of R e f e r e n c e were a p p r o v e d by the N a t i o n a l Committee on 2 0 t h J u l y . On 2 8 t h S e p t e m b e r , Committee and a p p r o v e d t o be A d v i s o r y C o m m i t t e e , and t h i s p r e s e n t e d as a supplement to a R e p o r t was p r e s e n t e d t o t h i s forwarded to the Import D u t i e s R e p o r t , i t w i l l bo remembered, was t h e R e p o r t of t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s 9 0 0 O Ay tJ A d v i s o r y Committee t o the T r e a s u r y r e c o m m e n d i n g t h a t t h e D u t i e s on i r o n and s t e e l p r o d u c t s s h o u l d be e x t e n d e d f o r a p e r i o d of two y e a r s a s from O c t o b e r 2 6 t h . On O c t o b e r 1 0 t h , a t a m e e t i n g of t h e N a t i o n a l E x e ­ c u t i v e C o m m i t t e e , S i r George May was p r e s e n t , when i t was p o i n t e d o u t t o him t h a t t h e C o n t i n e n t was s t i l l s e n d i n g s t e e l i n t o t h i s m a r k e t , t h e c h i e f r e a s o n f o r which was t h e u n c e r t a i n t y a s t o the p e r i o d f o r which t h e D u t i e s would be a p p l i e d . S i r George May u r g e d t h e i n d u s t r y t o make some p r o ­ p o s a l s on a Scheme embodying n a t i o n a l o r g a n i s a t i o n , b u t he was d e s i r o u s t h a t t h e i n d u s t r y s h o u l d propound i t s own Scheme; and w h i l e r e c o g n i s i n g t o t h e f u l l t h e d i f f i c u l t i e s o f t h e Com­ m i t t e e , he asked f o r an a s s u r a n c e t h a t t h e N a t i o n a l Committee would i m m e d i a t e l y take s t e p s t o d e v i s e s u c h a scheme. On t h i s same d a t e ( O c t o b e r 1 0 t h ) t h e Committee u n a n i m o u s l y g a v e S i r George May an a s s u r a n c e t h a t t h e y would p r o c e e d w i t h t h e p r e ­ p a r a t i o n of s u c h a scheme w i t h o u t d e l a y . I was a s k e d , w i t h S i r W i l l i a m L a r k e , t o p r e p a r e a s h o r t Memorandum s k e t c h i n g t h e o u t l i n e of s u c h a s c h e m e . I t was s u g g e s t e d t h a t S i r A l f r e d H u r s t s h o u l d be c o n s u l t e d , a s he was w i l l i n g t o l e n d a n y a s s i s t a n c e he m i g h t be a b l e t o r e n d e r i n o r d e r t h a t t h e I m p o r t D u t i e s A d v i s o r y Committee m i g h t be f u l l y aware o f b o t h the d i f f i c u l t i e s and t h e p r o g r e s s t h a t was b e i n g made by t h e C o m m i t t e e . On November 16th a Memorandum, which had p r e v i o u s l y been a d o p t e d by t h e E x e c u t i v e Committee w i t h o u t d i s s e n t , was s u b m i t t e d t o t h i s N a t i o n a l Committee and a d o p t e d i n t h e f o l l o w ­ ing terms: "That t h e s t r u c t u r e o f t h e Scheme *e a c c e p t e d i n p r i n c i p l e and t h a t t h e Sub-Committee r e s p o n s i b l e f o r i t s p r e ­ p a r a t i o n b e r e q u e s t e d t o d r a f t t h i s Scheme in g r e a t e r d e t a i l f o r t h e c o n s i d e r a t i o n o f t h e E x e c u t i v e Committee i n t h e f i r s t i n s t a n c e , and on a p p r o v a l by them t h e Scheme t o b e s u b m i t t e d t o t h e N a t i o n a l Committee f o r a p p r o v a l or amendment b e f o r e further action is taken". Without r e f e r r i n g in d e t a i l to the i n t e r m e d i a t e s t a g e s , t h e Scheme a s now s u b m i t t e d t o you was s u b m i t t e d t o t h e E x e c u t i v e Committee on F e b r u a r y 1 s t , a f t e r w h i c h amendments were embodied a s a r e s u l t of t h e d i s c u s s i o n , and a t a f u r t h e r m e e t i n g on F e b r u a r y 22nd, when i t was r e f e r r e d t o t h i s C o m m i t t e e , w i t h t h r e e d i s s e n t i e n t s , i n the following t e r m s : "That t h i s Scheme be r e f e r r e d t o the N a t i o n a l C o m m i t t e e , and recommended f o r a c c e p t a n c e b y them, as p r o v i d i n g m a c h i n e r y whereby t h e p r o g r e s s i v e o r g a n i s a t i o n o f the i n d u s t r y may be a c h i e v e d . " I would omphasisG t h e t e r m s of t h a t R e s o l u t i o n a s b e i n g a t e r s e b u t v e r y a d e q u a t e d e s c r i p t i o n of t h e Scheme which you a r e now a s k e d t o c o n s i d e r . I t does n o t i n any way embody a p r i n c i p l e of c o n t r o l imposed from above on any s e c t i o n or i n d i v i d u a l of tho i n d u s t r y , b u t i t i s d e s i g n e d t o p r o v i d e an o r g a n i s a t i o n w i t h i n w h i c h , by p r o g r e s s i v e e v o l u t i o n , u n d e r t h e c o n d i t i o n s o b t a i n i n g , an e v e r - i n c r e a s i n g d e g r e e of o r g a n i s e d c o n t r o l o v e r t h e o p e r a t i o n s of t h e i n d u s t r y may be e x e r c i s e d by t h o s e engaged in and r e s p o n s i b l e f o r i t . I t i s on t h o s e g r o u n d s t h a t the Schorao i s commended to you f o r , if p o s s i b l e , y o u r unanimous a d o p t i o n , e i t h e r i n i t s p r e s e n t o r some a g r e e d amended f o r m . The i m p o r t a n c e of u n a n i m i t y i n a m a t t e r of t h i s k i n d c a n n o t be e x a g g e r a t e d , s i n c e t o r e n d e r any s u c h Scheme e f f e c ­ t i v e i t i s e s s e n t i a l t o have n o t o n l y a g e n e r a l a c c e p t a n c e of i t s p r i n c i p l e s but a w i l l i n g n e s s to approach a l l d i f f i c u l t i e s in connection with i t s r e a l i s a t i o n with a determination to overcome them and r e n d e r t h e scheme s u c c e s s f u l . So f a r , no a l t e r n a t i v e h a s b e e n s u g g e s t e d t o a Scheme cf t h i s c h a r a c t e r , which now embodies t h e g r e a t e s t common mea­ s u r e of c o n s t r u c t i v e c r i t i c i s m which would r e t a i n t h e p r i n c i p l e s which were u n a n i m o u s l y a c c e p t e d i n t h e f i r s t i n s t a n c e a s t h e b a s i s f o r t h e Scheme. While we - l e a s t o f a l l t h e Sub-Commit­ t e e who were r e s p o n s i b l e f o r t h e o r i g i n a l d r a f t - c o u l d l a y no claim t o having provided for every p o s s i b l e contingency t h a t m i g h t a r i s e , or f o r p e r f e c t i o n i n t h e Scheme i t s e l f , a s p r a c t i ­ c a l men we must r e a l i s e t h a t i n our own o r g a n i s a t i o n s and i n t h e d e c i s i o n s we d a i l y t a k e , i t i s i m p o s s i b l e f o r u s t o do more t h a n e x e r c i s e o u r judgment on t h e c o n d i t i o n s u n d e r which we a r e w o r k i n g t o t h e b e s t of o u r a b i l i t y and t o a c c e p t t h e r i s k i n ­ volved. But i n t h e c a s e of t h i s Scheme b e f o r e you t h e r i s k h a s b e e n r e d u c e d t o a minimmj s i n c e what you a r e a s k e d t o do i s t o p r o v i d e a C e n t r a l O r g a n i s a t i o n r o u n d which t h e o r g a n i s a t i o n of t h e i n d u s t r y c a n p r o g r e s s i v e l y p r o c e e d by s e c t i o n s , e a c h s e c t i o n r e t a i n i n g a l m o s t c o m p l e t e autonomy, a s i n d e e d d o e s e a c h i n d i v i d u a l w o r k s , e x c e p t t h a t i t i s a s k e d t o conform t o a n a t i o n a l p o l i c y i n r e g a r d t o p r o d u c t i o n and s a l e s . But t h i s p o l i c y w i l l be d e v i s e d by y o u r s e l v e s , and i s n n l y an e x t e n s i o n of what h a s b e e n common p r a c t i c e i n many s e c t i o n s of t h e i n d u s ­ t r y f o r many y e a r s ; e x c e p t t h a t I s h o u l d p o i n t o u t t h a t a s s o ­ c i a t i o n s must be more e f f e c t i v e and c e r t a i n l y more s t a b l e t h a n t h e y have b e e n i n r e c e n t t i m e s , which i m p l i e s t h a t a g r e e m e n t s t o c o - o p e r a t e i n t h e s e v e r a l s p h e r e s of o u r a c t i v i t y must b e f o r a s u b s t a n t i a l p e r i o d of t i m e , t o p r e v e n t t h e d i s t u r b a n c e which t h e e x i s t e n c e of a g r e e m e n t s f o r s h o r t p e r i o d s i n e v i t a b l y i n t r o d u c e s , s i n c e t h e y a r e no s o o n e r s i g n e d t h a n d i s c u s s i o n s a r i s e a s t o t h e i r m o d i f i c a t i o n or e x t e n s i o n . On t h e s u b j e c t of a m a l g a m a t i o n s , which many of u s b e l i e v e t o be i n t h e b e s t i n t e r e s t s of t h e i n d u s t r y a s a whole where economic a d v a n t a g e can be d e m o n s t r a t e d a s a r e s u l t , i t i s c l a i m e d t h a t t h i s Scheme p r o v i d e s c o n d i t i o n s i n w h i c h atnal­ g a m a t i o n s w i l l be f a c i l i t a t e d w h e r e v e r c o n d i t i o n s r e n d e r them desirable. I n t h e c a s e of p l a n t which by t h e n a t u r a l e v o ­ l u t i o n of new p r o c e s s e s or commercial c o m p e t i t i o n may become r e d u n d a n t , or a t a r e l a t i v e d i s a d v a n t a g e , t h e Scheme p r o v i d e s t h e means whereby t h e i n d u s t r y c o u l d d e a l , by c o m p e n s a t i o n , p u r c h a s e o r o t h e r w i s e , w i t h any s u c h c o n d i t i o n t h a t might a r i s e i n any p o r t or s e c t i o n of t h e i n d u s t r y , a l w a y s on t h e u n d e r s t a n d i n g t h a t t h e s e movements a r e w i t h t h e c o n s e n t of t h e p a r t i e s i n t e r e s t e d or concerned. I n d e e d , t h e Scheme h a s bean devised to s e c u r e t o the i n d u s t r y i n d e f i n i t e l y f o r the f u t u r e t h e c o m p l e t e c o n t r o l of i t s own p o l i c y and d e s t i n i e s . The a l t e r n a t i v e i s i n e v i t a b l y t h e i n t r o d u c t i o n of e x t e r n a l i n t e r f e r e n c e and a g r e a t e r or l e s s m e a s u r e of e x t e r ­ n a l c o n t r o l , s u c h a s has a l r e a d y been e x p e r i e n c e d i n t h e c o a l i n d u s t r y , and which you w i l l n o t e h a s b e e n v o i c e d i n c o n n e c t i o n with t h i s industry. T h i s i n d u s t r y i s e s s e n t i a l t o our n a t i o n a l i n d u s t r i a l economy, and n* Government, w h a t e v e r i t s p o l i t i c a l c o m p l e x i o n , c a n a f f o r d to a l l o w i t t * l a n g u i s h t o a p o i n t where i t ceases t o s a t i s f y adequately our n a t i o n a l needs. Only t h i s l a s t week t h e Deputy Chairman of t h e Labour P a r t y s t a t e d t h a t i f r e t u r n e d t o power t h e y would o r g a n i s e t h e i r o n and s t e e l i n d u s t r y on n a t i o n a l l i n e s . The p r e s e n t Government a r e d e s i r o u s of a v o i d i n g any e x t e r n a l i n t e r f e r e n c e and have urged t h e i n d u s t r y to r e n d e r even t h e s u g g e s t i o n of i t u n n e c e s s a r y by d e m o n s t r a t i n g i t s c a p a c i t y t o manage i t s own a f f a i r s and o r g a n i s e i t s e l f on a n a t i o n a l b a s i s so as t o s t r e n g t h e n i t s c o m p e t i t i v e power i n t h e e x p o r t m a r k e t s of t h e w o r l d a n d t o s e c u r e t o t h e home consumer, i n t h e words of S i r George May, ' t h e r i g h t m a t e r i a l at the right price." :, I t h e r e f o r e u r g e t h e unanimous a c c e p t a n c e of t h i s scheme, w i t h a l l t h e shortcomings which i t may p o s s e s s , s i n c e i t p r o ­ v i d e s t h e m e a n s , by p r o g r e s s i v e d e v e l o p m e n t , f o r e n s u r i n g t o t h e i n d u s t r y a form of o r g a n i s a t i o n w h i c h , as I b e l i e v e , w i l l s t r e n g t h e n i t s c o m p e t i t i v e power i n r e l a t i o n t o t h e r e s t of t h e w o r l d , and a s u b s t a n t i a l improvement i n i t s p r e s e n t economic p o s i t i o n i n t h e n e a r f u t u r e and a r e t u r n t o c o m p l e t e p r o s p e r i t y when g e n e r a l w o r l d c o n d i t i o n s p e r m i t . The a l t e r n a t i v e i s a c o n t i n u a n c e of p r e s e n t c o n d i t i o n s , t e n d i n g t o w a r d s f i n a n c i a l c o l l a p s e and c e r t a i n l y t o a c o n d i t i o n w h i c h no Government would t o l e r a t e w i t h o u t making an a t t e m p t ' t o save the s i t u a t i o n . T h i s would i n v o l v e f a r g r e a t e r d i f f i ­ c u l t i e s on t h e p a r t of t h o s e r e s p o n s i b l e f o r t h e d i r e c t i o n a n d c o n t r o l of t h e i n d u s t r y t h a n any m e a s u r e s which i t i s now p r o p o s e d t h e y s h o u l d t a k o a t t h e i r own u n f e t t e r e d d i s c r e t i o n . Time h a s p r e s e n t e d t h e o p p o r t u n i t y . Are we g o i n g t o s i e z e i t or a l l o w i t t o go b y d e f a u l t ? I am c o n f i d e n t t h a t t h e r e i s n o - o n e o u t s i d e t h e i n d u s t r y who i s so c o m p e t e n t t o c o n t r o l and d i r e c t i t s d e s t i n i e s a s t h o s e who h a v e b e e n r e s p o n s i b l e f o r i t s p r o g r e s s and condxict h e r e t o f o r e , and I t h e r e f o r e commend t h i s scheme t o you f o r y o u r unanimous a p p r o v a l , i n o r d e r t h a t we may r e s t o r e c o n f i d e n c e w i t h i n and w i t h o u t t h e i n d u s t r y i n i t s f u t u r e , and p o s s i b l y s e t an example t o o t h e r ­ i n d u s t r i e s which w i l l s t i m u l a t e i n d u s t r i a l r e c o v e r y t h r o u g h o u t t h i s c o u n t r y t o o u r own l a s t i n g b e n e f i t .