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GET COZY FOLKS. WE WON'T BEGIN UNTIL 10:15!
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Lindsay Webster 10:07 AM
OH EM GEE.
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Kathryn McLean 10:07 AM
Hahah i feel an awkward silence
Daphney Etienne 10:07 AM
testing 1 2 testing 123
Michele Polak 10:08 AM
NOT SILENT HERE. I HAVE MUMFORD & SONS SCREAMING BANJO AT ME
Sarah Buckleitner 10:08 AM
I love Mumford & Sons!!!
Katie McLean 10:08 AM
TOO bad my computer has barbecue sauce in it and I am not cozy in bed!!!!!
Daphney Etienne 10:08 AM
I love Mumford and Sons
Evan Phail 10:08 AM
oh Katie too bad
Michele Polak 10:08 AM
YEAH, THEY ARE MY NEW FAVE OBSESSION
Kristyna Bronner 10:09 AM
I know Michele has to write in caps...but I still feel like she's screaming.
Michele Polak 10:09 AM
KATIE, I TOTALLY WOULD HAVE JUST LICKED IT CLEAN
Katie McLean 10:09 AM
HAhahaha! I was too angry!!
Michele Polak 10:09 AM
SORRY KRISTYNA! LOL
Lindsay Webster 10:09 AM
hahaha it would be funnier if we were all in class together hunched over our
computers in complete silence haha
10:09 AM
we could have a breakdance battle
10:09 AM
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Michele Polak 10:10 AM
GET COZY THOSE OF YOU THAT JUST CAME ON...WE'LL BEGIN AT 10:15. RIGHT
NOW, WE'RE JUST CHATTING NONSENSE STUFF
Evan Phail 10:10 AM
I agree it sounds very loud Michele
10:10 AM
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Sarah Buckleitner 10:10 AM
I think I'm going to have to play some Mumford & Sons now
Katie McLean 10:10 AM
If anyone wants to come join me and Shanita in the 24 hour...Juuuust saaayin
Lindsay Webster 10:10 AM
she's breaking the silence with all caps
Michele Polak 10:10 AM
IT CAN'T BE THAT LOUD....JIMMY IS UNDER MY FEET SNORING AWAY, THE
BASTARD
Sarah Buckleitner 10:11 AM
Jimmy <3
Evan Phail 10:11 AM
Hey Michele, Hannah wants to know if you have her contact to add
StephanieHWRRH322 10:11 AM
i love mumford & sons by the way just sayingg
Katie McLean 10:11 AM
They really got sooo popular so fast
Michele Polak 10:11 AM
I DO HAVE HANNAH...IS SHE ONLINE? OR HAVE HER ADD ME
Meghan Warager 10:11 AM
hello everybodyyy
Katie McLean 10:11 AM
I wish skype chat had colors for fonts
10:12 AM
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Lindsay Webster 10:12 AM
this reminds me of watching teen mom on mtv.com with all the creepy old men
chatting in the side bar
Michele Polak 10:12 AM
GET COMFY...WE'LL BEGIN AT 10:15
Laura Alexander 10:12 AM
linds, it totally does!!!!!!
Evan Phail 10:12 AM
hey Michele, Hannah says she's online.....
Michele Polak 10:13 AM
EVAN, TELL HANNAH TO ADD ME CUZ SHE ISN'T COMING UP: michele_polak
Kristyna Bronner 10:13 AM
linds and laura...do you do that often?
10:13 AM
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Katie McLean 10:13 AM
Haha I also wish there was a like button
Lindsay Webster 10:13 AM
all the time. i actually have a fake old man profile online.
Sarah Buckleitner 10:13 AM
knew it
Michele Polak 10:13 AM
OK SHANITA....I JUST ADDED YO TO THE CHAT...YOU SHOULD SEE US
Shanita Mcleod 10:13 AM
I see you guys thanks
Luke Lyons 10:14 AM
Am I in?
Shanita Mcleod 10:14 AM
yes u are luke
Luke Lyons 10:14 AM
Sweet
Michele Polak 10:14 AM
OK...JUST WAITING ON TWO PEOPLE. LET'S GIVE IT TWO MORE MINUTES
10:15 AM
I WAS KINDA HOPING FOR REALLY CRAPPY WEATHER TO MAKE CHAT EVEN
BETTER
Shane Samuel 10:15 AM
kk
Michele Polak 10:16 AM
I THINK I JUST GOT KICKED OUT OF MY OWN CHAT
Lindsay Webster 10:15 AM
ok i'm just over here contemplating rhetorically fascinating things....
Katie McLean 10:16 AM
michele polak up and left us
Lindsay Webster 10:16 AM
guess we're on our own- who likes the jonas brothers ?
Shane Samuel 10:16 AM
-_Katie McLean 10:16 AM
:-/
Lindsay Webster 10:16 AM
hahahahhahahahaha
Katie McLean 10:16 AM
:-\
Evan Phail 10:16 AM
Katie McLean 10:16 AM
Caley Goldblatt 10:16 AM
i do!
Sarah Buckleitner 10:16 AM
they make little kids cry
Shane Samuel 10:16 AM
there is always one lol
Shanita Mcleod 10:16 AM
Sarah Buckleitner 10:16 AM
oh wait no, that's bieber
StephanieHWRRH322 10:16 AM
Lindsay Webster 10:17 AM
hahaha i love this class
Caley Goldblatt 10:17 AM
nick is the beautiful face of diabetes what an inspiration
StephanieHWRRH322 10:17 AM
it's my favorite class
Lindsay Webster 10:17 AM
HAHAHAHHAHA
Daphney Etienne 10:17 AM
i love the thumbs down thing
Michele Polak 10:17 AM
OK. I'M HERE. DAMMIT
Shanita Mcleod 10:17 AM
my fav class by far
10:17 AM
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Shanita Mcleod 10:17 AM
great your here
Katie McLean 10:17 AM
We felt soo neglected!!!
Shanita Mcleod 10:17 AM
lets get started
10:17 AM
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Michele Polak 10:17 AM
OK ELISS AND HANNAH...SEE US?
Evan Phail 10:17 AM
yay!
Eliss Manon 10:18 AM
yea this is so weird lol
Michele Polak 10:18 AM
SHOULD WE GET STARTED?
Meghan Warager 10:18 AM
yes!
Katie McLean 10:18 AM
YEEES
StephanieHWRRH322 10:18 AM
it's awesome and yes
Shanita Mcleod 10:18 AM
where is Sorgi
Caley Goldblatt 10:18 AM
yaaaaa
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:18 AM
yes!
Lindsay Webster 10:18 AM
shorty sorgi.
Shanita Mcleod 10:18 AM
okay
Michele Polak 10:18 AM
NOW REMEMBER THAT THIS WILL GO VERY QUICKLY. BEAR WITH IT....YOU'LL
PICK IT UP
Shanita Mcleod 10:18 AM
lets begin
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:18 AM
ok
10:19 AM
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Michele Polak 10:19 AM
OK YULIANA...YOU SEE US?
10:19 AM
WE ARE ALL HERE. SO GLAD WE PULLED THIS OFF!
Yuliana Baez 10:19 AM
Yes I do
Michele Polak 10:19 AM
OK. LET'S START WITH A COMPARISON BETWEEN MONSTER AND MEX WHITE
BOY
Katie McLean 10:19 AM
SO different! DAnny was sooo quiet
10:20 AM
and mute and communicated with shrugs and nods
Lindsay Webster 10:20 AM
monster mexican whiteboy
StephanieHWRRH322 10:20 AM
both have serious identity issues though
Carla Gaynor 10:20 AM
neither of them were written in the first person, for the most part
Laura Alexander 10:20 AM
that irritated me the whole novel! i just wanted him to talk!
Kristyna Bronner 10:20 AM
I agree with lindsay
Eliss Manon 10:20 AM
very true
Michele Polak 10:20 AM
HA LINDS! LOVE THE EMOTICONS! CAN'T GET THAT IN BBOARD
Shanita Mcleod 10:20 AM
Danny's parents were separated and he was torn between the two cultures
Katie McLean 10:20 AM
Yeah, biculturalism
Michele Polak 10:20 AM
RIGHT CARLA, NEITHER IN FIRST PERSON
Katie McLean 10:20 AM
Brings such a different element
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:20 AM
i thought mex whiteboy was better and easier to relate to
Evan Phail 10:20 AM
Well Monster was all about Stephen, family did not have too much of a scene, while
in Mex Whiteboy, Family and friends were everything!
Eliss Manon 10:20 AM
and through experience they went through they learned more about themselves
Shanita Mcleod 10:20 AM
In Monster Steven was able to live the street life and the school life
Sarah Buckleitner 10:20 AM
the styles of writing were very different too; I felt more like I was picking up a book
that'd be assigned for class when I started reading MWB
Katie McLean 10:20 AM
I like the choice of third person for MEX
Christopher Shanley 10:20 AM
Well danny was a "real" charecter. That's not to sat the author didnt have an agenda
but he resisted beating you over the head with it
Michele Polak 10:20 AM
YES, THE FAMILIAL THEME WAS PRESENT
Shanita Mcleod 10:20 AM
Steven forced himself to fit in at school
Kristyna Bronner 10:21 AM
Danny was having identity issues...and Stephen was facing jailtime for murder. It
was easier for me to like Danny.
Laura Alexander 10:21 AM
i liked the style of mexican better. i think for teens too it would be easier to read
Michele Polak 10:21 AM
YEAH KRISTYNA, I LIEKD DANNY MORE, ALSO.
Katie McLean 10:21 AM
Danny made me so sad though. the forearm digging business
Carla Gaynor 10:21 AM
i did too, laura
Caley Goldblatt 10:21 AM
I agree i liked danny more
Meghan Warager 10:21 AM
I thought family was in Monster too a little though, the main character kept thinking
how his family perceived him now that he was in jail
Shanita Mcleod 10:21 AM
It was more difficult for me to like Danny because his story was so typical
Caley Goldblatt 10:21 AM
I felt like i KNEW him more
Michele Polak 10:21 AM
YES KATIE! HE WAS AN SI!
Shane Samuel 10:21 AM
i like both of them and i dont think their circumstances should
StephanieHWRRH322 10:21 AM
mexican whiteboy was a much easier read too since we didn't have to read through
alternating screenplays and journals
Shane Samuel 10:21 AM
be the reason you should like them
Shanita Mcleod 10:21 AM
a child torn after his parents separate
Yuliana Baez 10:21 AM
I the stereotyped mullticulturalism book I believe that Mexican white boy did not fit
that catagory
Katie McLean 10:21 AM
Yeah that was sooo upsetting! And the fact that people in his life knew about it
Yuliana Baez 10:21 AM
In*
Shane Samuel 10:21 AM
@Laura
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:21 AM
the structure of the fonts was easier in mex white boy
Katie McLean 10:21 AM
but he was so overlooked, and his mom only cared about men
Sarah Buckleitner 10:21 AM
The SI is the thing that turned me off to the novel, I think
Lindsay Webster 10:22 AM
i thought that the way both stories was written very clearly reflected the true age of
the character
Daphney Etienne 10:22 AM
After reading Mex I felt like Monster shouldn't be classified a multicultural, because
Monster is about Americans from America and Mex is about non Americans because
the Mexican culture affects their daily lives
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:22 AM
agreed
Michele Polak 10:22 AM
HMMM. OK YULIANA SAYS THAT MEX WHITE BOY DID NOT FIT THE
MULTICULTURALISM CATEGORY--IS THIS RIGHT?
Shanita Mcleod 10:22 AM
The different fonts in Monster helped us differentiate when Steven was talking and
when it was other people
Kristyna Bronner 10:22 AM
I agree with Daphney
Carla Gaynor 10:22 AM
i think it did fit
Shanita Mcleod 10:22 AM
YUli I disagree I think it did
Michele Polak 10:22 AM
SORRY--MONSTER
Caley Goldblatt 10:22 AM
what did you guys all think about his pretend "letters" to his father?
Celeste Smith 10:22 AM
it definitely seemed way more about idenity to me
Sarah Buckleitner 10:22 AM
I dunno about that Daphney, there are different cultures within America
Carla Gaynor 10:22 AM
the pretend letters confused me at first
Christopher Shanley 10:22 AM
But the si setved the broader context of the story- to me at least it never seemed
gratuitous or out of context
Michele Polak 10:22 AM
OK...HOLD ON...LOSY TO SAY, LETS FOCUS ON ONE SUBJECT
Shanita Mcleod 10:22 AM
I agree with YULI
Daphney Etienne 10:22 AM
Michele,. i felt the opposite as Yuli
Luke Lyons 10:22 AM
I agree with Yuliana
Meghan Warager 10:23 AM
well it depends on what you perceive as multi-culturalism. We are a dominated
"white superior" society or have been so anything else would be perceived as
"multiculturalism"
Michele Polak 10:23 AM
LETS DISCUSS THE GENRE OF MULTICUTLRUALISM
Shane Samuel 10:23 AM
I thought that was a litttle pathetic at first but then i
Michele Polak 10:23 AM
OR OUR HEADS WILL BLWO OFF IF WE COVER TOO MUCH
Daphney Etienne 10:23 AM
bc relative to the other books in that category, Monster is about an American guy
Lindsay Webster 10:23 AM
i feel dehydrated trying to keep up with this chat.
Katie McLean 10:23 AM
Hahahah blowing off now
StephanieHWRRH322 10:23 AM
i agree michele i'm getting confused haha
Shane Samuel 10:23 AM
thought about his situation and i gave him a pass
Kristyna Bronner 10:23 AM
these little pencils are a lot to handle...
Caley Goldblatt 10:23 AM
I though it was interesting that all of these books take place in america
Michele Polak 10:23 AM
OK. LETS ONLY FOCUS ON THE GENRE RIGHT NOW
10:23 AM
YES, BOTH BOOKS SETTING IS AMERICA
Laura Alexander 10:24 AM
for me they both represetned multiculturism because they both represented worlds
i'm not familiar with
Michele Polak 10:24 AM
DO WE NEED IT TO BE AMERICAN TO FIT THE GENRE? WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Kristyna Bronner 10:24 AM
Well since most book are "white dominated" going by that definition both of these
would be multicultural?
Michele Polak 10:24 AM
NICE LAURA! GOLD STAR
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:24 AM
I think that mex white boy encompasses multiculturalism more than monster
Carla Gaynor 10:24 AM
i felt that it did fit the genre because a lot of the concern in the book was if he would
get a fair court ruling because of his race
Shanita Mcleod 10:24 AM
I agree with Laura
Sarah Buckleitner 10:24 AM
I'd say definitely not
Katie McLean 10:24 AM
Okay- MEX WHITE I felt that was at the front of Dannys mind all the time, eating
tacos with his family-- he felt on the outside, even just eating a taco!
Eliss Manon 10:24 AM
i think it depends on the situation
Michele Polak 10:24 AM
HMMM KRYSTINA. GOOD QUESTION
Caley Goldblatt 10:24 AM
I think that it gives us some connection to the book/ characters all being american
Shane Samuel 10:24 AM
did you all notice that the book was written like Danny's pitches. It started off fast
yet stead before
Caley Goldblatt 10:24 AM
we can relate with the settings more
Shane Samuel 10:24 AM
going all fastball with the sucide
Sarah Buckleitner 10:24 AM
I agree Caley
Katie McLean 10:24 AM
Monster was so focsued on getting through the trial, those issues were pushed aside
Michele Polak 10:24 AM
HOLD ON SHANE....HOLD DISCUSSION ON STRUURE
Yuliana Baez 10:24 AM
I don't agree with Laura that a culture you are not familar with makes it
multicultural
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:24 AM
I never got a feeling of connection because i was american
Shane Samuel 10:24 AM
suicide*
Daphney Etienne 10:24 AM
@Laura, that's the thing, is it relative then? Are we comparing it to White American
culture, and is that the norm?
Eliss Manon 10:24 AM
lie mex. white boy was having trouble fitting in because he was living in two diff
worlds
10:24 AM
like*
Lindsay Webster 10:24 AM
mex whiteboy almost represented true america.... this melting pot situation
Caley Goldblatt 10:25 AM
yeahhh definitely
Katie McLean 10:25 AM
Yeah! Change in generations too
Daphney Etienne 10:25 AM
yes. Lindsey. agreed
Sarah Buckleitner 10:25 AM
I'd say the genre is relative
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:25 AM
agreed
Shane Samuel 10:25 AM
i never understood that true america phrase, so where is fake america..with monster
Michele Polak 10:25 AM
MEX WHITE BOY WAS CERTINALY ABOUT HIS ETHNICITY...DID WE GET THE IDEA
THAT MONSTER WAS MULTICULTURAL?
Shanita Mcleod 10:25 AM
in monster steven was having trouble fitting in because he was trying to live his
dreams and aspirations
Shane Samuel 10:25 AM
?
Eliss Manon 10:25 AM
if he was mex. and gutamalan i doubt he would have trouble fitting in
Shanita Mcleod 10:25 AM
but he was interrupted by the street life
Kristyna Bronner 10:25 AM
Well if we go off laura's point, that would mean reading a book about a white family
for someone who isn't white...that's multicultural for them.
Caley Goldblatt 10:25 AM
somewhat but i thinki monster exposed "class" more
Laura Alexander 10:25 AM
i didnt get monster as being multicultual
Meghan Warager 10:25 AM
well they did have discussions of ethnicity in monster didn't they
Kristyna Bronner 10:25 AM
so that definition doesnt really work if you flip it that way
Celeste Smith 10:25 AM
not as much. was al based in court practically
Sarah Buckleitner 10:25 AM
I'm not sure about multicultural, but definitely about how your appearance affects
the way people perceive you
Katie McLean 10:25 AM
I thought it was so interesting how they defined what it is to be Mexican
Meghan Warager 10:25 AM
they used the descriptions of people in the court trial
StephanieHWRRH322 10:26 AM
yes i got the idea of multicultural in monster since you tend to see more racist views
during the trial
Katie McLean 10:26 AM
and what made him different.. his "whiteness"
Lindsay Webster 10:26 AM
monster was more about the trial and finding the truth than a multicultural
situation (to mee...)
Christopher Shanley 10:26 AM
So is the genre the intersection of two distinct cuktures in a way that leys them be
drawn unti focous in a reflective sense- because this definitley fits somewhere
within that structure.
Celeste Smith 10:26 AM
had pieces of different cultures, but only through court, not real world
Luke Lyons 10:26 AM
The only thing we got that was 'multicultural' from Monster was the point of view of
a young African American male in Harlem.
Michele Polak 10:26 AM
DO YOU THINK MONSTER DISCUSSED RACE THE WAY MEX WHITE BOY
DISCUSSED ETHNICITY?
Shanita Mcleod 10:26 AM
I think both books give us a sense of balance because it allowed us to see what Steve
and Danny's lives were like in the school setting
Katie McLean 10:26 AM
Yeah! All the white lawyers against them
Carla Gaynor 10:26 AM
i think it wasnt as obvious, but it did discuss it
Shane Samuel 10:26 AM
@lindsay that is because you were not looking beyond the text
Meghan Warager 10:26 AM
well ethnicity was much more prevalent and important for the story of Mexican
white boy in terms of him defining who he is
Luke Lyons 10:26 AM
No. it was definitely implied though
Shanita Mcleod 10:26 AM
and what is was like in the outside setting where they had to fend for themselves
Shane Samuel 10:26 AM
monster was def about race
Daphney Etienne 10:26 AM
I didn't think Monster was multi cultural, but then again that's only my point of view
bc I\'m of a different culture. so to me, American Culture is American culture, both
African American and White cultures, even with the differences
Eliss Manon 10:26 AM
in a way i think it did
Sarah Buckleitner 10:26 AM
I think they discussed them similarly
Shane Samuel 10:26 AM
not just a trial
Lindsay Webster 10:26 AM
thanks shane love you too
Christopher Shanley 10:27 AM
Mo monster was a "personal" story that drew on the steryotyped image of the white
middle class for backdrop
Michele Polak 10:27 AM
GOD, YOU ARE ALL SO FREAKIN SMART
Shanita Mcleod 10:27 AM
Almost all the characters in Monster were black and latino
Daphney Etienne 10:27 AM
I was impressed with MEX because it explores multi ethnic people
Michele Polak 10:27 AM
OK...ANOTHER COMPAIRON...FOCUS:
10:27 AM
LET’S DO SOME COMPARISONS BETWEEN THE FARTHER SON RELATIONSHIPS IN
MONSTER AND MEX WHITE BOY. HOW ARE THEY THE SAME? HOW DO THEY
DIFFER?
Daphney Etienne 10:27 AM
It's often neglected
Michele Polak 10:27 AM
[SRRY FOR MY HORRIBLE TYPING ERRORS!]
Katie McLean 10:27 AM
MEX WHITE BOY--neglectful, but he needed him sooo baaad. And wanted to be like
him. BUT WHY
Laura Alexander 10:27 AM
i felt we didnt get enough of the father son relationship in monster, where as in
mexian it is a central focus
Eliss Manon 10:28 AM
in monster his faher was there when he needed him but Danny didnt have a father
figure
Shanita Mcleod 10:28 AM
For Steven he let his father down because his father set high standards for him
Evan Phail 10:28 AM
MWB, Danny hasn't seen his father in 3 years and almost all of the book is a journey
for him to impress his father, little does he know his dad' in jail
Luke Lyons 10:28 AM
def.
Meghan Warager 10:28 AM
I thought the most interesting father son relationship was between Uno and his
father Senior.
Eliss Manon 10:28 AM
so there is def a difference in that area
Sarah Buckleitner 10:28 AM
I felt like that's how Monster was in general
Luke Lyons 10:28 AM
The relationship in monster was barely there
Katie McLean 10:28 AM
Senior was such a rambler
Carla Gaynor 10:28 AM
i dont think you get a lot of scenes where steve is with his father, or talking about it
father. it seemed his mother was more present
Caley Goldblatt 10:28 AM
Clearly there is a reality break in what the father/son relationship in mexican white
boy is in reality compared to danny's mind
Sarah Buckleitner 10:28 AM
like you caught glimpses of issues
Daphney Etienne 10:28 AM
@Katheryn, sorry neglectful was for another comment lol
Katie McLean 10:28 AM
The author actually did a good job of showing how ramblign senior was
Sarah Buckleitner 10:28 AM
but didn't get to explore them thoroughly
Yuliana Baez 10:28 AM
Monster he really did not have a father relationship
Sarah Buckleitner 10:28 AM
that's why I didn't like it as much, I think
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:28 AM
i think the father neglect in mex brought about part of Dannys need to fit in
Shanita Mcleod 10:28 AM
i disagree with Luke
Meghan Warager 10:28 AM
both Danny and the main character in Monster wanted to impress their fathers.
Eliss Manon 10:28 AM
well compared to Dannys father it was more there if not at all
Shanita Mcleod 10:28 AM
Althought we do not see much of his father in Monster
Evan Phail 10:28 AM
I agree, I really liked the relationship between UNo and Senior, for once we had a
strong black male character
Eliss Manon 10:28 AM
i agree with meghan
Laura Alexander 10:29 AM
i agree with meghan uno and senior were really interesting
Michele Polak 10:29 AM
NICE EVAN. I THOUGHT SENIOR WAS A STRONG CHARACTER, ALSO
Shane Samuel 10:29 AM
i think the missing father situation in MWB reminded me of the argument made
today that
Caley Goldblatt 10:29 AM
I was almost horrified by how much danny wanted to be with his dad after finding
out he was a wife beater, fighter, deadbeat etc.
Celeste Smith 10:29 AM
impression and image were big for both boys
Yuliana Baez 10:29 AM
I agreee with Lucas he did not have a relationship with his dad. His connection was
mainly with his mother
Katie McLean 10:29 AM
Uno was totally that kid
Shane Samuel 10:29 AM
childen need fathers to function
Shanita Mcleod 10:29 AM
you can see that Steven and his father have a connection esp because of how
emotional we see them get before and after trial
Lindsay Webster 10:29 AM
in monster, i thought stephens relationship with his brother was much more real
and tangible than his relationship with his dad
Shane Samuel 10:29 AM
etc..
Meghan Warager 10:29 AM
I thought senior was the "archie"
Katie McLean 10:29 AM
Ya know, like soooooo typical
StephanieHWRRH322 10:29 AM
you could see that the father truly cared in Monster but at the same time you see
him mostly focusing on his mother's feelings
Michele Polak 10:29 AM
NICE LINDS!
Daphney Etienne 10:29 AM
The absence of a father in Monster, I think says a lot
Michele Polak 10:29 AM
LET'S TIE THIS TO STRCUTURE: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE LETTERS DANNY
WROTE TO HIS FATHER? DO WE NEED THEM?
StephanieHWRRH322 10:29 AM
i agree senior was definitely an archie but also uno was danny's archie
Kristyna Bronner 10:29 AM
I agree with Daphney
Daphney Etienne 10:29 AM
not absence, but hes not mentiones a lot
Katie McLean 10:30 AM
YEAH! They gave us insight into Danny-- not even just about him and his father
Caley Goldblatt 10:30 AM
I think they show is desperation to make his dad proud
Carla Gaynor 10:30 AM
i feel that we do need them because it develops danny's character uite a bit
Yuliana Baez 10:30 AM
Yes I think we do need those letters
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:30 AM
I think we need the letters
Katie McLean 10:30 AM
But even about him and his family, his emotions, his displaecment
Daphney Etienne 10:30 AM
YES. THE Letters are very important
Sarah Buckleitner 10:30 AM
I think we need a better definition for what an Archie is
Laura Alexander 10:30 AM
yeah i think we need the letters. they help us see how desperate he is for that male
connection
Kristyna Bronner 10:30 AM
Well it gives us perspective into what he's thinking and feeling. especially because of
the way the book is written.
Michele Polak 10:30 AM
BUT THE LETTERS WERE ALL LIES. WHY?
Daphney Etienne 10:30 AM
they're also in a sad way, funny
Celeste Smith 10:30 AM
yes because they show how desperately he's trying to portray himself, who he
wants to be, who he thinks he should be
StephanieHWRRH322 10:30 AM
i think we definitely need the letters because you see how desperate danny is to see
his father. he's so quiet throughout most of the text, but we get a different side to
him in the letters
Evan Phail 10:30 AM
Yes, we need Danny's letters, we get an idea of what hes thinking on the inside even
though the book is in 3rd person
Katie McLean 10:30 AM
That was what made them work
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:30 AM
i didnt find then distracting from the narractive
Meghan Warager 10:30 AM
I agree we do need the letters they help us see how danny wishes his reality was
Evan Phail 10:30 AM
Danny wants to impress his father so much and the letters show this
Carla Gaynor 10:30 AM
it shows how he wants his father to view him
Christopher Shanley 10:30 AM
In monster though the father was someone he was trying to live up to- it was more
like an attempt to fill the role then a belief that a relationship was going to happen
there mwb he wants and needs his father to play an active role with him
Carla Gaynor 10:30 AM
hes searching for acceptance
Michele Polak 10:30 AM
NICE EVAN! NICCE MEGHAN
Caley Goldblatt 10:30 AM
because its his imaginary life, hes so contained and supresses everything so it was
his chance to just let go
Shanita Mcleod 10:30 AM
He wants that guidance
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:30 AM
the back and forth from journal to script in monster was distracting
Daphney Etienne 10:30 AM
all the lies, it's as if he has to exagerate and be somebody else to be accepted
StephanieHWRRH322 10:30 AM
he's willing to lie about his happiness-- his desperation shown clearly in these
letters to see his father
Eliss Manon 10:30 AM
i think it showed how he didnt have enoug couarge to confront his father
Shane Samuel 10:31 AM
i dont think we need the letter because his whole crisis was about needing a father i
think the letters were just filler
Celeste Smith 10:31 AM
wanted him to come back from "Mexico" so had to make up something good!
Michele Polak 10:31 AM
NICE STEPHANIE
Kristyna Bronner 10:31 AM
He doesn't want to come off as vulnerable to his father that he barely knows.
Michele Polak 10:31 AM
HMMM. SHANE SAYS LETTERS WERE FILLER
Kristyna Bronner 10:31 AM
He's trying to make it seem like not having a father is okay with him.
Michele Polak 10:31 AM
INTERSTING
Sarah Buckleitner 10:31 AM
I think the letters were a lot more effective in MWB because they expanded on an
issue
10:31 AM
and gave us insight
Shanita Mcleod 10:31 AM
but even though he does not want to come off as vulnerable
Laura Alexander 10:31 AM
yeah he wants to be a tough guy, which in reality it totally isnt
Katie McLean 10:31 AM
So not a filler. We wouldn't know anything about Danny without the letters
Shanita Mcleod 10:31 AM
i think he does by even writing them
Daphney Etienne 10:31 AM
The letters not filler at all
Michele Polak 10:31 AM
NICE KATIE
Kristyna Bronner 10:31 AM
I agree Shanita.
Luke Lyons 10:31 AM
The only thing that kept me close to Danny were the letters to his father
Kristyna Bronner 10:31 AM
So I guess it didn't work in his favor.
Michele Polak 10:31 AM
HMMM LUKE. INTERSTING
Laura Alexander 10:32 AM
yeah, the letters help us learn about danny since he doesnt talk and we cant learn
about him in that way
Luke Lyons 10:32 AM
it was a nice break from the thrid person perspective
Lindsay Webster 10:32 AM
i agree with luke i loved the letters they kept me interested
Celeste Smith 10:32 AM
not filler. just emphasizing his desire for the ideal identity in his mind
Caley Goldblatt 10:32 AM
I thought they were the first time he reallllly opened up
Sarah Buckleitner 10:32 AM
the letters help you to relate
Evan Phail 10:32 AM
also I did have a problem that Danny was only separated from his father for 3 years,
which would have made him 13 when his father left....i would think by this time he
would have had a relatiomnship with his father....it seemed like he had no idea what
his father was like
StephanieHWRRH322 10:32 AM
yeah i agree lukey, you get a more personal connection through the letters
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:32 AM
the letters were dannys way of expressing himself
Christopher Shanley 10:32 AM
Agreed the letters are really the only place where we hear Dannys voice in a
meaningfull way- he's feel flat without them.
Carla Gaynor 10:32 AM
i felt it was the only true insight into danny since he doesnt really talk
Kristyna Bronner 10:32 AM
That's true evan...i didn't even think of that.
Shane Samuel 10:32 AM
really? I dont know. I didnt get that whole sentimental feeling from the letters it
didnt make me connect with him
Eliss Manon 10:32 AM
i agree with evan
Michele Polak 10:32 AM
DID WE NEED MORE OF THE LETTERS? LESS?
Yuliana Baez 10:32 AM
But why must we always relate to these books?
Shanita Mcleod 10:32 AM
i dont think it was displaying his ideal identity, but him wanting to understand the
missing part of him
Celeste Smith 10:32 AM
woah, didn't realize it was only 3 years evan- interesting. I agree then. Why didn't
they have more of a connection? And an honest relationship?
Meghan Warager 10:32 AM
plus danny was so upset about the way his mother was turning his family into he
wanted a like step away from reality and connection to his father
Daphney Etienne 10:32 AM
We needed the letters
Eliss Manon 10:32 AM
i thin less of the letters
Meghan Warager 10:32 AM
the letters were necissary
Shanita Mcleod 10:32 AM
im on the fence with the letters
Katie McLean 10:33 AM
No more letters- it would have been too much and over pushing the idea
Daphney Etienne 10:33 AM
bc i thought of them as something that hge's going to look back on and laugh off
StephanieHWRRH322 10:33 AM
exactly christopher, since he's actually so shy and even chooses not to speak which i
found very interesting because that was one of his father's influences on him
Kristyna Bronner 10:33 AM
If theere were more of the letters the whole book would be different.
Michele Polak 10:33 AM
I KNWO THIS IS GOING FAST FOR SOME OF YOU BUT THIS IS A GREAT
DISCUSSION--EVERYONE IS GETTING A CHANCE TO SPEAK
Katie McLean 10:33 AM
I liked when they added the letters in for good juxtaposition
Christopher Shanley 10:33 AM
@ Evan- I read it as more of an exastential crisis about the nature of his father and
his relation to him.
StephanieHWRRH322 10:33 AM
almost everything danny does or feels stems from his father's neglet
Katie McLean 10:33 AM
He didn't just lie. He LIED
Michele Polak 10:33 AM
NICE CHRIS
Daphney Etienne 10:33 AM
once he matures and realize the relationship with his father for what it never was
Caley Goldblatt 10:33 AM
I felt like the letters were more for himself to be worthy of a badass like his dad
Celeste Smith 10:33 AM
neccessary as a reminder of how deep this desire is for him. but the amount was
good- more would have been annoying because they were lies and kind of
frustrating to read
Laura Alexander 10:33 AM
everything danny does, even playing baseball, is something he feels will connect him
with his father
Eliss Manon 10:33 AM
i though thatthrough his father he was trying to find himslef
Michele Polak 10:34 AM
NICE ELISS
Sarah Buckleitner 10:34 AM
yeah, I thought that de la pena rode the letters line well-- enough to give us a
connection
Shanita Mcleod 10:34 AM
Was he trying to find himself
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:34 AM
without the neglect of the father this book would not be of any interest. and the
letters pull you in
Yuliana Baez 10:34 AM
In that case Steve was trying to find himself also
Sarah Buckleitner 10:34 AM
but not too much that it distracted from the story
Shanita Mcleod 10:34 AM
or make a connection and become his own person
10:34 AM
?
Meghan Warager 10:34 AM
that is finding himself i think
Michele Polak 10:34 AM
LETS TALK CAHRACTERS: WHO WAS MEX WHITE BOY ABOUT?
Celeste Smith 10:34 AM
I thought they were almost more like writing Dear diary instead of dear dad- not
like he ever responded and they were all lies about wishes for himself
Yuliana Baez 10:34 AM
UNO
Katie McLean 10:34 AM
Danny
Eliss Manon 10:34 AM
it could be a little bot of both
Meghan Warager 10:34 AM
danny
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:34 AM
danny
StephanieHWRRH322 10:34 AM
it was both danny and uno
Sarah Buckleitner 10:35 AM
I agree with Eliss
Shanita Mcleod 10:35 AM
It was about Danny and Uno
Meghan Warager 10:35 AM
and uno
Carla Gaynor 10:35 AM
danny and uno
Katie McLean 10:35 AM
Uno is giving us an outside perspective of UNo
Lindsay Webster 10:35 AM
danny/uno
Evan Phail 10:35 AM
Oh yeh, i agree with everyone, Danny definitely was trying to find his own identity
and not that of his family
Katie McLean 10:35 AM
I mean Danny
Laura Alexander 10:35 AM
i agree it was about uno
Shanita Mcleod 10:35 AM
fatherless children
StephanieHWRRH322 10:35 AM
uno goes through a very similar situation; however, he is sooo much more
outspoken than danny
Michele Polak 10:35 AM
HA SHANITA! LVOE IT!
Caley Goldblatt 10:35 AM
I think it was about people that didnt fit into one specific category, the most obvious
connection was that both Danny and Uno were half mexican
Sarah Buckleitner 10:35 AM
that made me laugh
Eliss Manon 10:35 AM
but dad was a way of covering up that it was his diary i can totaly see that
StephanieHWRRH322 10:35 AM
and that's why i look at uno as danny's archie
Evan Phail 10:35 AM
although MWB was about Danny, UNo was a more interesting character
Kristyna Bronner 10:35 AM
yes i definitely agree with shanita!
Celeste Smith 10:35 AM
danny and uno. how both started to find their identity through their unpredicted
friendship that examined multiculturism
Carla Gaynor 10:35 AM
i agree with evan
Christopher Shanley 10:35 AM
@Shanita the two aren't mutually exclusive. He can want to define himself in
comparison to his father and as an independent entity. Teenagers aren't consistent
after all it helped make his voice authentic for me
Evan Phail 10:35 AM
we see more motivation/desire from Uno / reasons why he's tough
Michele Polak 10:35 AM
OK--THE ARCHIE, SINCE WE KEEP GOING THERE. UNO OR SENIOR?
StephanieHWRRH322 10:35 AM
he really wants danny to develop into a more outspoken and stronger individual
Evan Phail 10:35 AM
with danny, we're a little frustrated with his shyness
Meghan Warager 10:35 AM
senior
Shane Samuel 10:35 AM
it ws about uno and danny because they were the same people basically. the
dichotomy between was really likable
Katie McLean 10:35 AM
Neither...
Caley Goldblatt 10:35 AM
SENIOR
Luke Lyons 10:35 AM
senior
Katie McLean 10:36 AM
I hated Senior
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:35 AM
senior
Shanita Mcleod 10:36 AM
Danny could have looked to his mothers bf for a father figure but there would still
be that empty
Evan Phail 10:36 AM
BOTH!
Sarah Buckleitner 10:36 AM
wait, but how can we define Archie?
StephanieHWRRH322 10:36 AM
uno!
Michele Polak 10:36 AM
NEITHER KATIE?
Shanita Mcleod 10:36 AM
space
Yuliana Baez 10:36 AM
Uno was for Danny as Senior was for Uno
Michele Polak 10:36 AM
GOOD SARAH...WE NEED TO GO BACK TO DEFINING ARCHIE
Shanita Mcleod 10:36 AM
just because he was out of touch with his Mexican side
Laura Alexander 10:36 AM
senior didnt give advice, he just lectured. i think the archie was uno
Katie McLean 10:36 AM
Yeah I don't know, I thought they were faking their wiseness
Celeste Smith 10:36 AM
uno. senior was too weird
Eliss Manon 10:36 AM
both
Katie McLean 10:36 AM
But Maybe that's becuase of my identity position
Michele Polak 10:36 AM
OOH KATIE
Kristyna Bronner 10:36 AM
tried to hard
Sarah Buckleitner 10:36 AM
because in Stargirl, the Archie is an old man
Shane Samuel 10:36 AM
they are both biracial, facing identity issues and ended up supported eachother in
more ways than they could imagine
Meghan Warager 10:36 AM
senior did give advice
10:36 AM
everything he said i thought was advice
Caley Goldblatt 10:36 AM
If archie is someone who provides guidence..then senior
Sarah Buckleitner 10:36 AM
an adult
Katie McLean 10:36 AM
Senior was talking out of his ass all the time
Shanita Mcleod 10:36 AM
the archie doesnt have to be old
Sarah Buckleitner 10:36 AM
he isn't in the same peer circle
StephanieHWRRH322 10:36 AM
yeah senior too with all his preaching haha but the interaction between uno and
danny is so much deeper
Shanita Mcleod 10:36 AM
archie was crank
Sarah Buckleitner 10:36 AM
is that important?
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:37 AM
?
Sarah Buckleitner 10:37 AM
we have to define what the important factors in the Archie character are
Michele Polak 10:37 AM
NO ONE SAID IN THE BLOG THAT IT WAS SOFE. THAT WAS CALL FOR ARCHIE
Shanita Mcleod 10:37 AM
archie can be anyone or anything that helps through struggles
Katie McLean 10:37 AM
Oh i LOVED her
Caley Goldblatt 10:37 AM
first senior saguaro now senior...its a pattern
Shanita Mcleod 10:37 AM
and allows the person to learn on their own
Michele Polak 10:37 AM
YEAH, I WANTED AN ENTIRE BOOK OF SOFE
Katie McLean 10:37 AM
She was a silent director
Shane Samuel 10:37 AM
i think uno was danny archie. he was his support system
Eliss Manon 10:37 AM
why was he trying to hard?
Michele Polak 10:37 AM
HA ELISS!
Shanita Mcleod 10:37 AM
in this case the Archie was Uno
Shane Samuel 10:37 AM
and danny was uno archie
Kristyna Bronner 10:37 AM
well I dont think it's as clear in this book as in Stargirl...it's been gettting harder and
harder to define the more books that we read
Michele Polak 10:37 AM
NICE SHANE
Shanita Mcleod 10:38 AM
yeah i agree with Shane
Michele Polak 10:38 AM
GODO POINT KRISTYNE
Evan Phail 10:38 AM
The whole train power scene makes me think Uno was Danny's archie
Daphney Etienne 10:38 AM
agreed
StephanieHWRRH322 10:38 AM
i mentioned this in my text response but that scene in the book where they hold
onto the rails under the train is all about the relationship between uno and danny
growing so much stronger and danny's complete trust for uno
Shanita Mcleod 10:38 AM
Uno was Danny's archie and vice versa
Celeste Smith 10:38 AM
ooh like that evan
Shane Samuel 10:38 AM
@kristyna that is because evryone keeps trying to make the adult an archie
Laura Alexander 10:38 AM
i agree with kristyna. the plots are more complicated and so are the characters so
defining archie gets harder
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:38 AM
in this novel it depends on your audience what the archie characher would be
Celeste Smith 10:38 AM
maybe we need a new category for sofe
Sarah Buckleitner 10:38 AM
agreed
Michele Polak 10:38 AM
YEAH THESE CHARACETS COULD BE EACH OTHERS ARCHIE....WE NEVER MAY GET
A CLEAR ARCHIE AS THE ORIGINAL ARCHIE SINC ETHE BOOKS RE GETTING MORE
COMPLEX
Daphney Etienne 10:38 AM
Maybe we don't even need an Archie anymore
Shane Samuel 10:38 AM
once everyone drops that and broaden their mind then they would see that adults
are not the only archies
Luke Lyons 10:38 AM
like what celeste?
Michele Polak 10:38 AM
OOH CELESTE! YES, WE NEED A NEW CATEGORY FOR SOFE
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:38 AM
but maybe thats the point...
Meghan Warager 10:38 AM
now that i hear that perspective i think there could be more than one archie
Sarah Buckleitner 10:39 AM
it'd probs be more clear if we knew what the different categories of characters were
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:39 AM
identity crisis...and archie crisis?
Yuliana Baez 10:39 AM
This book MWB just pisses me off
Katie McLean 10:39 AM
HAhahaha!
Daphney Etienne 10:39 AM
The older the characters get, the more it's like an angel, and a devil on their
shoulders rather than an Archie
Shanita Mcleod 10:39 AM
can archie be the person these individuals become after they get through their
struggles
Luke Lyons 10:39 AM
hahaha
Kristyna Bronner 10:39 AM
archie crisis!
Michele Polak 10:39 AM
MAYBE WE SHOUDL DO THSI IN CLASS ON MONDAY, CREATE CHAREACTER
CATEGORIES, REMIND ME
Sarah Buckleitner 10:39 AM
yes!
Michele Polak 10:39 AM
WE'LL BRAINSTORM A LIST
StephanieHWRRH322 10:39 AM
sounds good
Shanita Mcleod 10:39 AM
although they receive help from others ultimately they make their decisions
Sarah Buckleitner 10:39 AM
that'd be really helpful
Shane Samuel 10:39 AM
sofia was very interesting ebcause one minute she was a joke cracking girl the next
she is like a mother figure to danny
Sarah Buckleitner 10:39 AM
for finding patterns
Eliss Manon 10:39 AM
it would
Shane Samuel 10:39 AM
sticking up for him and whatnot
Michele Polak 10:39 AM
OK...LETS TALK THEME: HOW WELL DO YOU THINK THE BASEBALL THEME
WORKED FOR THE STORY?
Meghan Warager 10:39 AM
i completely forgot about sofia!
Laura Alexander 10:39 AM
i think sofe and stargirl might fit into the same category
Katie McLean 10:40 AM
Shmeeeeh yeah, but baseball is also boring
Daphney Etienne 10:40 AM
I LOVED THE BASEBALL team!
Caley Goldblatt 10:40 AM
I thought it worked better than film
Yuliana Baez 10:40 AM
Baseball defined Danny
Carla Gaynor 10:40 AM
baseball symbolized danny's struggle with his identity
Eliss Manon 10:40 AM
i think she connect uno and danny i mean she was the reason they met
Katie McLean 10:40 AM
I can't think of anything to replace it with though
Laura Alexander 10:40 AM
i TOTALLY agree with caley
Shanita Mcleod 10:40 AM
Like Shane said in the beginning baseball worked well
Daphney Etienne 10:40 AM
it unified them
Michele Polak 10:40 AM
NICE CALEY.'
Sarah Buckleitner 10:40 AM
the baseball made it hard for me to connect though
Eliss Manon 10:40 AM
oh yea def
Michele Polak 10:40 AM
IT WAS BETTER WRITTEN--I THOGUHT--THAN THE FILM THEME
Meghan Warager 10:40 AM
i think it did work, and trying to find that control was a good comparission like
trying to find yourself
Lindsay Webster 10:40 AM
i agree with sarah
Shanita Mcleod 10:40 AM
it was a metaphor for getting throuhh his struggles
Michele Polak 10:40 AM
NICE SHANITA
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:40 AM
baseball was a common thread that readers could understand
Sarah Buckleitner 10:40 AM
definitely
Katie McLean 10:40 AM
IU liked the repetition language the author used when writing about baseball
Shanita Mcleod 10:40 AM
through*
Sarah Buckleitner 10:40 AM
I liked the baseball way more than the film
Kristyna Bronner 10:40 AM
well would the baseball help someone who couldnt connect with danny on any
other level? imagine an elementary school or middle school boy
Sarah Buckleitner 10:40 AM
even though I can generally connect better to film than to sports
Laura Alexander 10:40 AM
i think baseball is something that teen boys, the readers for this book, could relate to
Caley Goldblatt 10:40 AM
I thought it worked because it was a community sport, a cultural sport, and there
are individual andddd team elements to it
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:41 AM
baseball crosses cultures
Sarah Buckleitner 10:41 AM
that was probably the author's doing
Michele Polak 10:41 AM
SADLY, THIS BOOK DIDNT WIN THE AWARDS MONSTER DID.
Yuliana Baez 10:41 AM
I perfered the film theme better than the baseball
Shane Samuel 10:41 AM
yup, as i said eariler the story is written like baseball fast steady and then suddenly
striking
Michele Polak 10:41 AM
NICE HANNAH
Katie McLean 10:41 AM
Because it was so far from poetic
Sarah Buckleitner 10:41 AM
I think de la pena did a better job
Yuliana Baez 10:41 AM
I don't think it should have won an award like Monster did
Daphney Etienne 10:41 AM
how else would you get this "white Mexican boy" "The "Black Mexican Boy" and the
all other "full Mexican" kids interecting, if it wasn't for that one thing they all loved
you know
Shanita Mcleod 10:41 AM
him fending for himself when he was with uno allowed for him to build up the
courage to stand up to those on the baseball team at his school
Sarah Buckleitner 10:41 AM
at helping the reader connect
StephanieHWRRH322 10:41 AM
baseball let's him escape his battle of identity
Michele Polak 10:41 AM
YES SHANE...THE BASEBALL THEME FOLLWES THE STRCUTRE OF THE STORY!
Kristyna Bronner 10:41 AM
I definitely like the writing more in this book
Shane Samuel 10:41 AM
i agree with yuliana
Christopher Shanley 10:41 AM
Sofie occupies somewhere between archie and a closer supporting charecter as in
Perks of Being a Wallflower. Just not sure where to pin her.
StephanieHWRRH322 10:41 AM
he knows who he is when he plays baseball
Celeste Smith 10:41 AM
idk why it won the awards. like hannah said baseball crosses cultures. I didn't
connect with Monster at all. Least fav. book so far
Laura Alexander 10:41 AM
i liked that it was a story, not a screen play. it was easier to sink into
Kristyna Bronner 10:41 AM
Yeah I agree with Stephanie. Baseball allows the reader to see that Danny does have
some sense of identity.
10:42 AM
His race doesn't matter. He's just another kid on the field.
Eliss Manon 10:42 AM
monster didnt conncet with you but it migh have with other ppl
Michele Polak 10:42 AM
YEAH, I LIEK THIS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MONSTER
Daphney Etienne 10:42 AM
When UNO asked for a job he was convinced he wasnt being hired bc of his race
Sarah Buckleitner 10:42 AM
me too!
Celeste Smith 10:42 AM
baseball vs. film/crime? seems like baseball is an easy winner for relatability and
for ease of exploring identity
Christopher Shanley 10:42 AM
@Michelle there are still strictures of prejiduce about literature presenting this kind
of experience in this country. This is to alot of people an "Illegitimate" community
Michele Polak 10:42 AM
GOOD PICK (PAT MSYELF ON THE BACK)
Daphney Etienne 10:42 AM
so it's clear that the community is very selective
Yuliana Baez 10:42 AM
See what most people say they did not like Monster because of the way it was
written. Would people have liked it if it was written as an actual story?
Katie McLean 10:42 AM
There was nothing special about this book to me, did anyone else feel that way?
Luke Lyons 10:42 AM
i think so
Sarah Buckleitner 10:42 AM
I think probably Yuliana
Katie McLean 10:42 AM
That might be because so far we have read a lot of unique writing styles
Sarah Buckleitner 10:43 AM
I think that the author made a mistake
Carla Gaynor 10:43 AM
i did
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:43 AM
baseball is a part of boy culture
Laura Alexander 10:43 AM
yeah if monster was in another format, i think i could have liked it better
Daphney Etienne 10:43 AM
It's my favorite book so far
Caley Goldblatt 10:43 AM
the only thing i liked ws the speech in the book
Meghan Warager 10:43 AM
I agree Yuliana Monster had a good story but it was just written difficultly
Michele Polak 10:43 AM
HMM...KATIE IS ASKING A GOID QUESITON--NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THIS BOOK.
DID YOU FEEL THE DSAME WAY?
Sarah Buckleitner 10:43 AM
in trying to fit the court scene within a movie within a novel
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:43 AM
it builds community that boys can relate to until being in prison
Shanita Mcleod 10:43 AM
i feel there is something special about this book
Sarah Buckleitner 10:43 AM
there were no real gimmicks, if that's what you mean
Eliss Manon 10:43 AM
not for everyone
Sarah Buckleitner 10:43 AM
which is nice
Michele Polak 10:43 AM
HA SARAH!
Yuliana Baez 10:43 AM
I agree there isn't anything special about it
Shane Samuel 10:43 AM
@yuliana i dont think they dislike monster ebcause of the way it is written i think it
is because they dont feel that "conection" which goes abck to the pooint you said,
why do we feel that we always need to conenct with the book
Shanita Mcleod 10:43 AM
it a about a multiethnic individual
Meghan Warager 10:43 AM
there may be if you were a young teenage boy growing up in mixed cultures
Daphney Etienne 10:43 AM
baseball is also part of Spanich culture
Shanita Mcleod 10:44 AM
i agree with Shane
Michele Polak 10:44 AM
YEAH, YULI....THAT LACK OF CONNECITON MEANS EVERYTHING IN A BOOK. GO
BACK TO THAT IDENTITY POSTION THING
Shanita Mcleod 10:44 AM
we do not always need to connect with a book
Sarah Buckleitner 10:44 AM
that is a good question
10:44 AM
why do we need to connect so badly?
Christopher Shanley 10:44 AM
@Katie the story itself might not be exceptional but it taps into an unadressed pool
of shared experience. It's effective I think depating its status as "good" is trickier.
Katie McLean 10:44 AM
It makes me wonder what De La Pena's story is
Laura Alexander 10:44 AM
i think monster could definitely connect with some readers, i wasnt one of them, but
i think it could still connect
Katie McLean 10:44 AM
Does this book relate to him?
Shanita Mcleod 10:44 AM
we need to use these books that we do not connect with as a tool to understand the
culture
Shane Samuel 10:44 AM
i do not think MWB was special it spewed the same rhetoric i spoke about "a child
needs a father in orer to function"
Yuliana Baez 10:44 AM
@shane i agree with you because I myself am spanish but I am not a fan of Mexican
White Boy at all
Michele Polak 10:44 AM
WELL TRY THSI QUESTION SINCE IT HAD ME CURIOUS ALL WEEK:
10:44 AM
THIS ROUND OF TEXT RESPONSES WERE PARTICULARILY PERSONAL FROM MANY
OF YOU. WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS TEXT THAT MADE SO MANY OF YOU CONNECT
TO YOUR OWN PERSONAL IDENTITY?
Daphney Etienne 10:44 AM
It was about boys, but i connected all the way
Shanita Mcleod 10:44 AM
and different situations that affect people everyday
Eliss Manon 10:44 AM
i agree with katie
Sarah Buckleitner 10:44 AM
that's an awesome question, michele
Caley Goldblatt 10:45 AM
I connected when i could relate to the issues that were being addressed
Sarah Buckleitner 10:45 AM
it'll take some deep thinking for me to dig up an answer though
Evan Phail 10:45 AM
I disagree Shane, by the end Danny can live without his father
Laura Alexander 10:45 AM
it was the whole finding who you are and where you belong, everyones been there
and can relate
Shane Samuel 10:45 AM
exactly shanita
Celeste Smith 10:45 AM
because it so clearly outlines his struggles with id, that I feel like every adol. goes
through
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:45 AM
i connected to the idea of trying to fit in.
Shanita Mcleod 10:45 AM
i connected with this book because both my parents came here from the Caribbean
Sarah Buckleitner 10:45 AM
I think it just did a really good job of connecting to many different individuals
10:45 AM
and it made us think about our own struggles with ID
Michele Polak 10:45 AM
BUT ALL THE BOOKS IN YA ARE ABOUT FINDING IDENTITY. WHY DID SO MANY
OF YOU SHARE SO ANY PERSONAL THING SIN THE BLOG THIS WEEK?
Celeste Smith 10:45 AM
who doesn't try to see where they fit in, impress their parents, be the cool kid in a
new neighborhood?
Eliss Manon 10:45 AM
i agree with sarah
Daphney Etienne 10:46 AM
I connected it with my own identity because it was a different culture in print. I feel
like we're becoming a society of hyphinated Americans so it's cool to see it
represented in literature
Celeste Smith 10:46 AM
honestly the first book I even really noticed issues of id
Shanita Mcleod 10:46 AM
so i was often torn between how to behave and what cultural traditions i would
follow because i am American born but Jamaican raised
Michele Polak 10:46 AM
OR MAYBE ITS NOT JUST THE BOOK BUT WE ARE FAR ENOUGH INTO THE
SEMESTER, YOU FEEL COMFROTABLE ENUF TO DO SO
Shane Samuel 10:46 AM
@evan but the whole story is basically "i need my dad, i cant live without him blah
blah blah" it because sooo typical...maube its because i was raised by my mom that i
feel this way but i do not think MWB is all that special
Caley Goldblatt 10:46 AM
in 6th grade I went to an innercity school in phoenix that was predominately
mexican and I really flashed back to that while reading this book
Celeste Smith 10:46 AM
I thought id overpowered multiculturalism in the book
Sarah Buckleitner 10:46 AM
that too, michele
Eliss Manon 10:46 AM
i think it was the book
Celeste Smith 10:46 AM
I think it was the book too
Shanita Mcleod 10:46 AM
i have both my parents in my life
Christopher Shanley 10:46 AM
I actually didn't connect strongly but I'm irish and I don't really experience crisises
of identity- I yem who i yem. The appeals to those who want to define themselves
within the context of thier identity rather than be defined by it.
Shane Samuel 10:46 AM
i cannot wait to see what everyone has to say about push...since there is this
obsession with "connection"
Michele Polak 10:46 AM
MAYBE THE IDENTIY ISSUE IS STRONGER IN THIS BOOK THAN THE OTHERS?
Eliss Manon 10:46 AM
because you find yourslef connecting to it one way or the other well sometimea
Sarah Buckleitner 10:46 AM
definitely
Celeste Smith 10:46 AM
yes, definitely stronger
Sarah Buckleitner 10:46 AM
the issues were defined very clearly
Eliss Manon 10:46 AM
yea it is
Carla Gaynor 10:46 AM
i think so
Yuliana Baez 10:46 AM
it was right in your face
Kristyna Bronner 10:47 AM
Well it makes it more interesting to connect to a book...but I don't think it's always
necessary.
Meghan Warager 10:47 AM
I think it was stronger in this one because it was a clear tear between two different
cultures
Michele Polak 10:47 AM
WHICH MEANS ITS THE WAY ITS WRITTEN. CUZ ALL THE BOOKS WE HAVE READ
ABOYUT IDENTITY,
Kristyna Bronner 10:47 AM
I definitely didn't want to find connection with Bree in Crank.
Sarah Buckleitner 10:47 AM
and with such easy access to the theme, you can more easily apply them to your own
life
Celeste Smith 10:47 AM
so clear, especially in those letters. just spelled it out for the reader
Meghan Warager 10:47 AM
the other books were just like a search for who you are and using substances or
cutting to figure it out
Michele Polak 10:47 AM
WHY MEX WHITE BOY? WHAT MAKES THIS ONE THE STRGONEST?
Sarah Buckleitner 10:47 AM
I think the connections we have with some of the other books were more subtle
Evan Phail 10:47 AM
I connected perfectly but I am in Danny's situation, white-hispanic who went to
private high school but still had family in PR, and i dont speak spanish
Laura Alexander 10:47 AM
maybe because danny and uno offer 2 different positions on finding yourself? so it
was easier to relate to at least one?
Michele Polak 10:47 AM
AH, SO SOME OF YOUA RE USING YORU ACTUAL IDENTITY POSITION. GOOD FOR
YOU
Shanita Mcleod 10:47 AM
i think it is a stronger book because it forces the reader to learn about the Mexican
culture
Meghan Warager 10:47 AM
maybe we empathized more with danny.
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:48 AM
because its MEX and WHITE and BOY, it shows that every is not just one thing, and
people are complex with their identities and that there is a need to find where you
fit into the mix
Luke Lyons 10:48 AM
Definitely
Sarah Buckleitner 10:48 AM
I'm not so sure it's the strongest, just different
Laura Alexander 10:48 AM
i agree with hannah
Michele Polak 10:48 AM
YEAH, MEGAHN, I HAD MORE EMPATHY WITH DANNY THAN STEVEN AND
STEVEN WAS THE ONE IN JAIL!
Luke Lyons 10:48 AM
I don't read too many books about Mexican culture
10:48 AM
i found it refreshing
Daphney Etienne 10:48 AM
English is my second language, and though the other language in this book is
spanish, I connected with being bilingual and connecting the two languages
Sarah Buckleitner 10:48 AM
it made us connect in a way that brought in our own lives, rather than arousing
subtle emotions
Shanita Mcleod 10:48 AM
why more empathy with Danny
Kristyna Bronner 10:48 AM
the identity is the main issue in the book. whereas the other books we've been
reading have bigger issues
Michele Polak 10:48 AM
NICE HANNAH...THINK ABOUT MY IDENTIY POSITON THAT I NOTED ONT EH
BAORD---I HAD A LIST!
Laura Alexander 10:48 AM
i liked danny, and i didnt feel like knew steve well enough to like him
Eliss Manon 10:48 AM
i connected to danny when he was like the "odd" one in his family
Daphney Etienne 10:48 AM
what thing i couldn't connect with was the setting
Evan Phail 10:48 AM
agree with Laura completely
Shane Samuel 10:49 AM
@hannah...so how is that different than monster he was African-American Black boy
Eliss Manon 10:49 AM
even though he was still spanish
Shane Samuel 10:49 AM
what is rhe difference
Yuliana Baez 10:49 AM
I had more emphanthy for Steve just for the fact that those are the books that don't
really get voiced or brushed into the streotypes
Shane Samuel 10:49 AM
the*
Daphney Etienne 10:49 AM
I had a hard time picturing it
Lindsay Webster 10:49 AM
i agree Laura!!
StephanieHWRRH322 10:49 AM
i agree laura. we didn't get to learn much about steven
Lindsay Webster 10:49 AM
that's how I felt about Kristina/Bree
Shane Samuel 10:49 AM
i just do not get it
Celeste Smith 10:49 AM
me too. but why? shouldn't I feel worse about a kiddo in jail? that's just weird. de
le pena did something to me! but what?
Kristyna Bronner 10:49 AM
thats how i feel celeste!
Michele Polak 10:49 AM
SO MAYBE IT WAS SETTING? COURTROOM VS. EUGHBORHOOD? THOUGH FOR
YULI- MONSTER WAS NEIGHBOORHOOD
Sarah Buckleitner 10:49 AM
de la pena was a good author
10:49 AM
or is, rather
Shanita Mcleod 10:49 AM
de la pena gave u a fatherless child
Sarah Buckleitner 10:49 AM
Monster just wasn't as well written
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:49 AM
I couldnt relate to monster because it focused on one specific personal identity of
white I cant relate to
Michele Polak 10:49 AM
GOOD POINT CELSTE. THERE IS SOEMTHING TO HOW MEX WHITE BOY IS
WRITTEN
Sarah Buckleitner 10:50 AM
that's my personal opinion, of course
Shanita Mcleod 10:50 AM
myers gave u someone who did wrong
10:50 AM
but was young and still had his life ahead of him
Caley Goldblatt 10:50 AM
I feel like we didnt learn enough about steve because so much was drawn out for the
suspense of the book like did he do it? he did come out and say Steve is innocent and
here is his story
Shane Samuel 10:50 AM
so was monster
Kristyna Bronner 10:50 AM
well maybe it's because i felt like problems of identity were more easy to relate to
than being in jail. i could see myself trying to figure out who i am like danny...but i'm
not planning on being involved in a robbery/murder anytime soon
Celeste Smith 10:50 AM
but did he do wrong? we never find out in monster
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:50 AM
MWB gave everyone something to relate to
Laura Alexander 10:50 AM
i think by writing in a tradtional format, de la pena gives us more chance to get to
know the characters and then form a relationship with them
Michele Polak 10:50 AM
OK. HERE IS WHAT I THINK: IT'S ALL IN THE DIALOGUE.
Sarah Buckleitner 10:50 AM
agreed Kristyna
Christopher Shanley 10:50 AM
@Sarah although to be fair you're totally right it's a book too focoused on the
message and not nearly enough on the craft
Carla Gaynor 10:50 AM
i agree with laura
Michele Polak 10:50 AM
I MENTIONED IN CLASS THAT I THOUGHT THIS BOOK WAS “HONEST” DUE TO THE
DIALOGUE. HOW DO YOU THINK THE DIALOGUE IN THIS TEXT DIFFERS FROM
SOME OF THE BOOKS WE HAVE ALREADY READ?
Caley Goldblatt 10:50 AM
I agree michele
Evan Phail 10:50 AM
i dont know if relatability is the factor, because i cant relate to crank but still enjoyed
it
StephanieHWRRH322 10:51 AM
yeah the courtroom setting like i said in class just didn't do it for me. the security
guards casually talking about their families while a serious case was occuring kind
of detracted me from the seriousness of the situation
Shane Samuel 10:51 AM
but you are missing the point kristyna monster was more than just jail
Daphney Etienne 10:51 AM
The dialogue is written how they speak
Shane Samuel 10:51 AM
how could everyone dig deep into MWB but just scrtach the surface of monster
Carla Gaynor 10:51 AM
because of the way monster is written it it more centered around the courtroom
than steve
Shane Samuel 10:51 AM
-_Michele Polak 10:51 AM
GOOD QUESITON SHANE
Shanita Mcleod 10:51 AM
it was about the struggles of people within underserved communities
Eliss Manon 10:51 AM
lol
Yuliana Baez 10:51 AM
Yeah i agree with Shane I think people can't get passed the fact that he was in jail
Shanita Mcleod 10:51 AM
trying to find your way out
Michele Polak 10:51 AM
SAHNE ASKS: how could everyone dig deep into MWB but just scrtach the surface of
monster
Laura Alexander 10:51 AM
the dialogue in MWB complete pulls the reader into the world that danny and uno
are a part of
Katie McLean 10:51 AM
Yeah, I feel like it was all about what Stephen was caught up in
Meghan Warager 10:51 AM
i could't get past the movie screen write set up
Katie McLean 10:51 AM
And how that wasn't his fault. just a part of the niehgborhood traditions and roles
Luke Lyons 10:51 AM
What exactly are you looking for people to say shane?
Christopher Shanley 10:51 AM
The diolouge is emotionally raw- stripped of some of the evasive techniques we've
seen in earlier books. So it feels honest to us.
Celeste Smith 10:51 AM
the dialogue just seems real. like it's actually out there happening in the world
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:51 AM
@Shane could you relate to Monster more?
Evan Phail 10:52 AM
for me, Monster was another law and order episode
Lindsay Webster 10:52 AM
i agree with luke.
Meghan Warager 10:52 AM
I think the dialouge and the characters in MWB made people more able to dig
deeper
Michele Polak 10:52 AM
MAYEB IT WASNT AN ISSUE OF IDENEITY BETWEEN THE TWO BOOKS BUT
SETTING OR STRCUTURE
StephanieHWRRH322 10:52 AM
yeah the use of mexican dialect was important in being able to differentiate the
different cultural settings in mexican whiteboy
Michele Polak 10:52 AM
HA EVAN!
Katie McLean 10:52 AM
I liked Monster, I felt sympathy for him, I felt awkward around Danny
Laura Alexander 10:52 AM
i agree with evan
Michele Polak 10:52 AM
NICE KATIE
Meghan Warager 10:52 AM
I didn't feel like any of the characters in Monster were personable like they were in
MWB
10:52 AM
so you had more interest in their situations
Shanita Mcleod 10:52 AM
It wasnt that I could relate to monster more, it just reinforced the stereotypes and
the institutionalized oppression
Celeste Smith 10:52 AM
I barely got id out of monster. Seemed to me it was only in the end when he was
lamely trying to find it that I noticed it
Shane Samuel 10:52 AM
@evan and MWB was like another lifetime movie to me..@Luke i cannot tell people
what to say which is why i asked the questio you all should tell me
Shanita Mcleod 10:53 AM
as Steven's attorney kept saying
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:53 AM
YES SHANITA!
Evan Phail 10:53 AM
yeah, i can see that Shane
Caley Goldblatt 10:53 AM
I agree megan, they were so pidgeonholed by being in a court room i didnt know
what was being real or not
Christopher Shanley 10:53 AM
Monster asks us to envision conditions and a social enviorment that we have no
contect or connection to mwb we can at least connect with the issues of cultural
identity
Yuliana Baez 10:53 AM
Exactly Shanita
Eliss Manon 10:53 AM
i agree shane
10:53 AM
didnt think of it like that
Kristyna Bronner 10:53 AM
maybe i just didnt connect with monster because of the way it was written.
StephanieHWRRH322 10:53 AM
i like the ending of monster for sure. it was so much more interesting for me than
the most of the book. it almost seems as though he's still unsure of his identity
Yuliana Baez 10:53 AM
Our chat kind of enforces on how these books like Monster get brushed off
Michele Polak 10:53 AM
NOW YOU ARE ALL THEROIZING...REMEMBER, THEORIZING ISNT ABOUT
ANSWERS. ITS ABOUT THE JOURNEY TO DFINDING ANSWERS
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:54 AM
maybe i could relate to MWB because i'm white? I honestly couldnt tell you. I just
hated monster so much because of how it was written
Shane Samuel 10:54 AM
@chris, so there is cultural identity in monster? is that what you are saying?
10:54 AM
is no*
Sarah Buckleitner 10:54 AM
I could relate because of the religious division in my family
Eliss Manon 10:54 AM
maybe if it was written better then you would be able to at least understand it more
Sarah Buckleitner 10:54 AM
it didn't even have to be cultural, just an ID divide
StephanieHWRRH322 10:54 AM
yeah monster's structure was just awful for me to read. i had trouble adjusting to
the many different names in the courtroom
Shanita Mcleod 10:54 AM
if what was written better
StephanieHWRRH322 10:55 AM
it would've been a lot easier to watch haha
Michele Polak 10:55 AM
WOW. YOU ALL DONT NEED ME. LOVE THIS DISCUSSION
Shanita Mcleod 10:55 AM
in both books letters were used to help us get to know the charcters
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:55 AM
@shane which book did you connect with more?
Katie McLean 10:55 AM
OK-- what was the point of MONSTER
Laura Alexander 10:55 AM
yeah, i think i would like to watch the movie of monster but reading it didnt do
anything for me
Katie McLean 10:55 AM
I feel liek that's what we are all disagreeing on
10:55 AM
What message it was trying to convey
Celeste Smith 10:54 AM
Caley, exactly. who was telling the truth? one of the big problems I had with
monster
10:54 AM
how was I supposed to take anything seriously?
Caley Goldblatt 10:55 AM
the point of monster was to expose how the system works, and the unfair, biased
parts of it
Daphney Etienne 10:56 AM
I think the point of Monster was that it had a Black protagonist, thats not seen in
literature, esp YA
Katie McLean 10:56 AM
SO was it about Stephen, or the system
Shanita Mcleod 10:56 AM
I agree with Caley
Michele Polak 10:56 AM
HMMM. AMBIGUITY IS A RHETOERICAL MOVE. SO SOME OF YOU DID NOT LIEK
THAT
Daphney Etienne 10:56 AM
it's representiing stuff that does happen, though like a Law and Order episode
Yuliana Baez 10:56 AM
The system and how the world view people from these neighborhoods and race
Shanita Mcleod 10:56 AM
in monster you were easily able to tell who was telling the truth
Katie McLean 10:56 AM
K so do other people agree with that? Because I think thats the differentiation we
need to make
Shanita Mcleod 10:56 AM
in the book steven kept repeating
Eliss Manon 10:56 AM
yea that is tru
Shanita Mcleod 10:57 AM
if you convince yourself that ur innocent u are
Yuliana Baez 10:57 AM
like com'on Steven's lawyer did not even believe him
Evan Phail 10:57 AM
in monster, if its about the system it should be in movie format, if its about steven it
should be in journal format
Carla Gaynor 10:57 AM
i agree with shanita, though steve is innocent in the end i still didnt know if that was
the truth. i had trouble with that
Katie McLean 10:57 AM
But Myers did both..
Shane Samuel 10:57 AM
@hannah, i really do not like that whole "connection" thing because I do not feel that
i need to connect with a book to like it. I was not on trial but i liked monster, i was
not having some idenity crisis but i liked MWB, i was not worried about heorin but i
iked crank. I just alot of peope are hung up on finding a connetion that they miss the
point
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:57 AM
i agree with evan
Meghan Warager 10:57 AM
its because we want that "america ending" where everything gets tied up nicely
Daphney Etienne 10:57 AM
agrred Shane
Laura Alexander 10:57 AM
i agree with evan
Christopher Shanley 10:57 AM
@Shane there is but the experience of Danny is fairly close (outside of the cultural
context) to the baseline stereotyped american experience. So despite the fact that
that experience is much more common then we think we have trouble connecting.
Yuliana Baez 10:57 AM
agree with shane completely
Celeste Smith 10:57 AM
hated the ambiguity. made me doubt the realness of the book. take what characters
said seriously
Daphney Etienne 10:57 AM
sometime a lack of "connection" is a good thing
Michele Polak 10:58 AM
DO WE NEED TO CONNECT WITH TEXT? ISNT IT ABOUT AUDIECNE? OR MAYBE
NOT
Sarah Buckleitner 10:58 AM
I agree with celeste
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:58 AM
see i disagree
Michele Polak 10:58 AM
ANTEHR GOOD QUESITON ABOUT RHETOERIC....AUDIENCE
10:58 AM
AND AUDIENCE QUESTION
Shanita Mcleod 10:58 AM
but too much journal format would just make it his diary
Kristyna Bronner 10:58 AM
maybe we all aren't connecting because we arent the intended audience
Katie McLean 10:58 AM
SO much disconnect can be fascinating
Evan Phail 10:58 AM
the audience doesn't have to connect, the purpose can be to just open their eyes
Eliss Manon 10:58 AM
sometimes it deprnds on how u as the reader take it
Meghan Warager 10:58 AM
well since this is a YA book maybe a kid in high school would find it super cool to
have a book about a court room done as a movie script
Luke Lyons 10:58 AM
how much is too much disconnect?
Sarah Buckleitner 10:58 AM
I think that in order to be effective for young adults, and help kids analyze their own
positions and think healthily about their issues
Shane Samuel 10:58 AM
@chris, but so is monster. what makes MWB more american, because he is half
white? Those issues are happening in other books we read they were happening in
monster and they are going to happen in push
Shanita Mcleod 10:58 AM
if it was just his diary with no scenes in the court room then that with take away
from the book @EVAN
Sarah Buckleitner 10:58 AM
they need to connect
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:58 AM
opening their eyes is a connection
Michele Polak 10:58 AM
NICE KRITYNA....WE HAVE TO REMIND OURSELVES THAT WE ARE NOT THE
AUDIECNE FOR THESE BOOKS
Katie McLean 10:58 AM
IT all comes back to identity position
StephanieHWRRH322 10:58 AM
yeah i agree eliss. it has a lot to do with interpretation of the text
Lindsay Webster 10:58 AM
i think there's a difference between connecting and relating to a text
Caley Goldblatt 10:59 AM
I think we do need to connect with the text in order for it to have an impact on us,
every book that I remember reading in high school had an impact on me, the ones i
dont remember didnt
Kristyna Bronner 10:59 AM
I liked monster in high school...and couldnt stand it this time around
Lindsay Webster 10:59 AM
i think you have to connect, but you don't have to relate
Celeste Smith 10:59 AM
I think connecting on some level is part, or should be, of every book
10:59 AM
exactly lindsay
Christopher Shanley 10:59 AM
I see this as a middle school- very early highschool as far as it's age group
Shanita Mcleod 10:59 AM
we do not need it to impact our lives
Laura Alexander 10:59 AM
yeah i agree with linds, you dont need to relate to every text to understand what the
author is saying
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 10:59 AM
if you don't connect you put the book down
Lindsay Webster 10:59 AM
exactly, hannah
Shanita Mcleod 10:59 AM
we just need to be able to have an understanding of teens who go through different
things
Katie McLean 10:59 AM
I think we need to define "connect"
Michele Polak 10:59 AM
YOU HAVE ALL DONE FANTASTIC TODAY. I KNWO THIS WENT FAST BUT WE
FINALLY GOT A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE
Katie McLean 10:59 AM
I didn't connect to Bree... But I was fascinated! I kept reading
Daphney Etienne 10:59 AM
maybe a question is, what does people mean by connection?
Caley Goldblatt 10:59 AM
i agree hannah, it needs to amuse you or capture you or you'll move on
Celeste Smith 10:59 AM
yayyyyy!!!! I can "talk"
Michele Polak 10:59 AM
I WILL COPY/PASTE OUR CHAT AND POST IT TO THE EWBSITE
Shanita Mcleod 11:00 AM
for many of us the books we read do not really have connections to our lives like
@Shane keeps saying
Michele Polak 11:00 AM
YES! CELESTE GOT TO TALK!
Shane Samuel 11:00 AM
no that is not true. I read are you there god its me margaret and i sure as hell was
not worried about having a period i did not connect but i loved the book
Michele Polak 11:00 AM
SO...GO GET A BAGEL!
Katie McLean 11:00 AM
YAY!
Lindsay Webster 11:00 AM
ahahhahahaha yay celeste!!!
Shane Samuel 11:00 AM
so i do not understand yur point hannah
Katie McLean 11:00 AM
Hahaha oh wow, bagel time already
Sarah Buckleitner 11:00 AM
ate one while talking to you
Meghan Warager 11:00 AM
YAY MICHELE!
Eliss Manon 11:00 AM
yay its friday!!!!
Luke Lyons 11:00 AM
bagle time
Caley Goldblatt 11:00 AM
that was quickkkkk
StephanieHWRRH322 11:00 AM
byebyebye have a great weekend everyone
Celeste Smith 11:00 AM
and I should be able to talk on monday last surgery today
Shanita Mcleod 11:00 AM
pay day
Daphney Etienne 11:00 AM
BAGEL!!!
Michele Polak 11:00 AM
CONGRADS CELSTE
Katie McLean 11:00 AM
Goodluck Celeste!!
Caley Goldblatt 11:00 AM
$$$$$$$$$
Sarah Buckleitner 11:00 AM
bye guys!
Kristyna Bronner 11:00 AM
!
Laura Alexander 11:00 AM
yaaaaa celeste!!!!!!
Yuliana Baez 11:00 AM
goodluck celeste
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 11:00 AM
yey!!
Evan Phail 11:00 AM
go dance
Yuliana Baez 11:00 AM
byeeeee
Shanita Mcleod 11:00 AM
bye bye see u all on monday and be prepared to continue this discussion
Michele Polak 11:00 AM
HA EVAN!
Eliss Manon 11:01 AM
hahaha
Shanita Mcleod 11:01 AM
it is not over just yet
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 11:01 AM
hahaha
Lindsay Webster 11:01 AM
love you celeste, i'll be thinkingggg of youuu <3
Yuliana Baez 11:01 AM
it really isn't over yet
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 11:01 AM
<3
Michele Polak 11:01 AM
YES, WE'L CONTINUE WITH PUSH!
Katie McLean 11:01 AM
When is that due?
Lindsay Webster 11:01 AM
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 11:01 AM
okkkkk
Katie McLean 11:01 AM
Tues?
11:01 AM
Sunday?
Laura Alexander 11:01 AM
love youuu linds
Michele Polak 11:01 AM
CHEC THE SYLABUS KATIE...EVEN I DONT KNOW!
Lindsay Webster 11:01 AM
haha i love this chat
Katie McLean 11:01 AM
Haha ooooo OK!
Michele Polak 11:01 AM
ENJOY THE WEEKEND
11:01 AM
Christopher Shanley has left the conversation
Lindsay Webster 11:01 AM
how did they turn me into an emoticon??!
Katie McLean 11:01 AM
WEDNEDAY
11:01 AM
Tues blog due!
Michele Polak 11:01 AM
HA!'
11:02 AM
YEP KATIE
Katie McLean 11:02 AM
HAHA Lindsay
Daphney Etienne 11:02 AM
Michele, I haven't posted my MEX journal but I will, I had Biology on my mind,
posting it ASAP
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 11:02 AM
lindsay is ripped
Lindsay Webster 11:02 AM
that i am, han, thanks
Michele Polak 11:02 AM
THANKS DAPH
Katie McLean 11:02 AM
BYE!
Michele Polak 11:02 AM
BYE!
Celeste Smith 11:02 AM
byesss
Hannah Sorgi WRRH322 11:02 AM
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Lindsay Webster 11:02 AM
BYE KIDSSSS try not to get mugged!