MEASUREMENT & INSPECTION
JUNE 2014
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
JUNE 23-26, 2014
DUBLIN, IRELAND
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, JUNE 23RD to THURSDAY, JUNE 26TH
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Measurement & Inspection Task Group (M&I) was called to order at 9.05 a.m., 23-Jun-2014.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Al
Mark
Ronan
Sheng
Mark
Chris
Gregory
Cristina
Benoit
Simon
Norman
Jacques
Timothy
Cyril
James
Graeme
Steve
Andrew
COMPANY NAME
Berger
Bredbere
Cauchy
Cheng
Clark
Davison
Goldhagen
Gonzalez
Gottie
Gough-Rundle
Gross
Kerault
Krumholz
Lerebours
Mansell
Rankin
Row
Smith
GE Aviation
The Boeing Company
Airbus
COMAC
The Boeing Company
Spirit AeroSystems
Hamilton Sundstrand - UTAS
Airbus Defence And Space
SAFRAN Group
Rolls-Royce
The Boeing Company
Airbus
Rockwell Collins
SAFRAN Group
Rolls-Royce
Spirit AeroSystems
Goodrich (UTAS)
Spirit AeroSystems
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Takahito
Juston
Owe
Mark
Andrew
David
David
Jens
Rick
Lisa
Dave
Kiyohide
COMPANY NAME
Araki
Bartlett
Carlsson
Cummings
Dunbabin
Eshleman
Johnson
Kiehn
Kuhns
Leonard
Michaud
Monma
IHI Corporation
Hunting Dearborn, Inc.
Alcoa Fastening Systems
B&B Specialties & GS Aerospace
Doncasters Chard
The Young Engineers
Expert Resource
Otto Fuchs KG
Bristol Industries
National Physical Laboratory
Fountain Plating Co.
TF Management
Chairperson
Vice Chairperson
Secretary
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Nigel
Lee
Karsten
Tammi
Gail
Junji
Keith
Wilfried
Robert
Morgan
Parsley
Riemer
Schubert
Shepheard
Tsuji
Vale
Weber
Whitehead
Doncasters Aerospace
Click Bond, Inc.
Aerotech Peissenberg GmbH
LMI Finishing, Inc.
Doncasters Chard
IHI Corporation
Lisi Aerospace
PFW Aerospace GmbH
CCPI Europe
PRI Staff Present
James
1.2
Bennett
Review Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct
The Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct were reviewed and the Antitrust Video was shown to all
attendees.
1.3
Antitrust Video
The PRI Antitrust video was shown to all attendees.
1.4
Review Agenda
The agenda for the meeting was presented, reviewed by the group and agreed that the meeting
would follow the defined agenda.
1.5
Acceptance of Meeting Minutes
Motion made by Norman Gross and seconded by Steve Row to approve the minutes from the
February 2014 meeting. Motion passed.
The minutes from February 2014 were approved as written.
1.6
February 2014 Meeting Summary Report
February 2014
Meeting Summary
The summary report from the February 2014 Nadcap meeting was presented. The suggestion
was made that the program should be publicized using industry forums / committees such as
CMSC and GTMA. Presentations are being prepared to deliver content including Nadcap at the
meetings of these groups.
ACTION ITEM: Task Group Chairperson and Staff Engineer to forward the M&I Newsletter to
external organizations as required. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
2.0
REVIEW M&I VOTING MEMBERSHIP – OPEN
Benoit Gottie (SAFRAN), James Mansell (Rolls-Royce) and Andrew Smith (Spirit Aerosystems),
Ronan Cauchy (Airbus), Timothy Krumholz (Rockwell Collins) and Graeme Rankin (Spirit
Aerosystems) were put forth as subscriber voting members.
Phil Bamforth (Rolls-Royce) was put forward to be removed from the subscriber voting members.
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Motion made by Mark Clark and seconded by Steve Row to approve all additions and removals of
subscriber voting members put forth to the Task Group (TG). Motion Passed.
Juston Bartlett (Hunting Dearborn, Inc.), Andrew Dunbabin (Doncasters Chard), Gail Shepheard
(Doncasters Chard), Owe Carlsson (Alcoa Fastening Systems), and Lee Parsley (Click Bond Inc.)
were put forth as supplier voting members.
Brad Gould (Hunting Dearborn, Inc.) was put forward to be removed from the supplier voting
members.
Motion made by Norman Gross and seconded by Steve Row to approve all additions and
removals of supplier voting members put forth to the TG. Motion Passed.
Juston Bartlett has kindly volunteered to be the Supplier Support Committee (SSC)
representative for the M&I TG.
Motion made by Norman Gross and seconded by Steve Row to approve Juston Bartlett as the
SSC representative for the M&I TG. Motion Passed.
James Mansell has kindly volunteered to be the secretary for the forthcoming meeting attended.
A second volunteer is requested for any meetings that James cannot attend. If a volunteer cannot
be found, the chair will be required to select a representative before the meeting continues.
3.0
M&I MILESTONES AND FUTURE PLAN – OPEN
MI Task-Group
Tracker revised 8APR2014.xls
Simon Gough-Rundle presented the updated milestone plan with a ‘generic’ implementation
timeline for each new checklist slash sheet. Also discussed was the idea of potentially delaying
work on further slash sheets until the ones already developed are refined and mandates have
gone out. No decision was made to make a change to the plan at this point. A comment
suggested that scanning technologies may need to be elevated up the priority list due to the
importance of control and increased use in companies and suppliers.
Tammi Schubert made an observation based on the minutes of the February 2014 meeting which
suggested the idea of looking to consolidating the calibration sections of all Nadcap special
process checklists. Simon Gough-Rundle confirmed that the intention was still to pursue this idea
– along with other efficiency gains – by discussing with Joe Pinto and the Nadcap Management
Council (NMC). The idea to consolidate requirements was widely embraced by the TG, with 17
representatives in support of this (straw poll).
4.0
STAFF REPORT – OPEN
Staff Report
Jim Bennett presented an update of the Staff Report, covering auditor and TG personnel. Jim
again requested support for subscribers and suppliers to provide access to facilities for training
audits. The requirement would be for a number of facilities covering the different technologies
both in Europe and the US.
Tammi Schubert made the comment that management within companies still view the concept of
Nadcap as ‘intrusive’, whereas technical people see it as a valuable process improvement tool. It
was agreed by the group that more needs to be done to communicate the intention of Nadcap
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and its value to companies. Mark Clark commented that this will become clearer when mandates
begin to be released.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to check that Steve Row is included in the e-mail distribution list for
the AQS Liaisons. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
Audit duration was again discussed, with the resolution that the 3 days for AC7130 and
AC7130/1, with 2 days for AC7130 and AC7130/5 appeared to still be valid and will proceed as is.
There may be an opportunity to review this once a number of real audits have been completed.
Changes to the Nadcap Operating Procedures (NOPs) since the last meeting were highlighted,
more details can be found on eAuditNet.
RAIL Review
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed, with comments added, actions closed
or added as appropriate.
For specific details, please see the current M&I Rolling Action Item List posted at
www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
5.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE (SSC) INFORMATION – OPEN
Dave Michaud presented the standard presentation pack from the SSC which shows the good
work that is done by the group. Juston Bartlett will continue this good work on behalf of the M&I
TG.
6.0
AESQ UPDATE – OPEN
Simon Gough-Rundle presented information as an update on the Aero Engine Supplier Quality
(AESQ) G-22 Committee on Measurement Systems Analysis (MSA). Some interested discussion
about the topic was had by the group and to Simon’s question ‘Can this be adopted for
companies outside of Aero Engine Suppliers?’ the group responded positively. There may be the
opportunity to make use of this vehicle for agreement across the wider industry.
7.0
NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
James Mansell gave a brief summary of the presentation which he will make at the Coordinate
Metrology Society Conference in July. This slot will cover Nadcap M&I as part of a wider, threepronged approach, encouraging establishment of minimum standards, consolidated audit
programs and collaborative working.
Jim Bennett started the conversation about the approach for legacy parts following findings in the
test audits for airflow. It is noted that this will be an issue for all checklists. The group had a long
debate over the details and approaches for legacy parts and how this may be embodied in the
audit program. The resolution suggested that it may be best to include Not Applicable (N/A)
options for some questions which would not apply where legacy parts are audited. It was agreed
that a small working group of Simon Gough-Rundle, Norman Gross and Jim Bennett would
review the checklists to suggest which questions would have a N/A responses added.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to arrange a conference call to review the checklists to add N/A for
legacy parts with the working group. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
8.0
MEASUREMENT SYSTEMS ANALYSIS (MSA) – OPEN
The issue of Measurement Systems Analysis (MSA) was discussed off the back of an action
raised during the February 2014 meeting. Simon Gough-Rundle presented the current content
for MSA in the published checklists and the group agreed that changes need to be made to
section 7 of AC7130. The group worked through the questions to reword and modify as
necessary, with references added to the Document Change Spreadsheet (DCS).
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ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to make changes to wording in section 7.2 to reflect the changes to
the procedural questions in 7.1. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
A further discussion on MSA was covered on Wednesday with the group confirming that the
content will initially be contained within section 7.0 of AC7130, with a session required on the
agenda at the October 2014 meeting in Pittsburgh to address the additional requirements to be
added to this section. A vote was taken and agreed by the group to take this approach.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to add an agenda item for MSA to the meeting agenda for Pittsburgh in
October 2014. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Simon Gough-Rundle to issue presentation with changes / additions to MSA
section for review at the October 2014 meeting in Pittsburgh. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
The idea to create a further slash sheet to audit the contents of the AESQ standard was
suggested, it is agreed that this will be addressed once the AESQ work has progressed further.
ACTION ITEM: Ronan Cauchy to provide summary presentation for GD&T in time for the next
meeting. (Due Date: 19-Oct-2014)
9.0
AC7130/5 BALLOT COMMENT REVIEW – OPEN
The group worked through the spreadsheet of combined responses from the ballot of A7130/5 to
reach an agreement of the checklist going forward. The TG was unable to address all of the
ballot comments within the allotted time and it was agreed that this would be discussed later on in
the week.
This item was continued on Wednesday during the agenda item on Laser Trackers. The
modifications to the Airflow checklist were completed and it will be issued on a 14 day affirmation
ballot, then any technical changes would need to be discussed on a teleconference call, with a
final 14 day affirmation ballot by the NMC.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to make final editorial changes to AC7130/5 and issue on a 14 day
affirmation ballot to the TG. (Due Date: 3-Jul-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to set up a teleconference call to discuss any technical changes after
the ballot is closed for AC7130/5. (Due Date: 3-Jul-2014)
10.0
SUBSCRIBER COMMITMENTS TO MANDATE – CLOSED
In this closed session the subscriber members discussed the approach that each is taking to
progress towards mandates. Some progress has been made since the February 2014 meeting,
however it was discussed that there are still some barriers to mandates being issued. The
position of each subscriber was discussed. A suggestion was made from the conversations that
the TG needs to better define the value of the program and sell the benefits. It appears there is a
need to reduce costs and make efficiencies and this will be key to convincing business seniors
that mandating the program would be valuable to their business.
ACTION ITEM: All subscriber members to provide some information or a case study on how the
Measurement & Inspection program will provide benefit in terms of cost, quality or efficiency.
(Due Date: 11-Jul-2014)
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11.0
INITIAL AUDITOR TRAINING – CLOSED
Jim Bennett provided a presentation and led a discussion on the content of the initial training
provided to auditors. Suggestions were made by the group.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to complete the training outline document and send around to the
group as required, or ask for additional content. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
12.0
AUDITOR CONFERENCE – CLOSED
Jim Bennett led a discussion on the content for the auditor conference planned for the Sunday
before the October 2014meeting in Pittsburgh. It was suggested that some of the content should
be similar to that in the initial auditor training. However, it came across that an important use of
time with the TG and Auditors together would be to discuss auditor consistency, to ensure there
is a consistent understanding of the content of the 4 checklists (as will be by the time of the
October 2014 meeting). It was also discussed that this could be an opportunity to discuss some
of the content and documents specific to the Subscribers.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to draft the content / plan for the auditor conference and send around
to the group as required, or ask for additional content. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
13.0
AUDIT REPORT REVIEW – CLOSED
This agenda item was not discussed due to time, but can be covered at a later point either within
a teleconference call or subsequent face-to-face meeting.
14.0
NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED
No further new business was raised.
15.0
DOCUMENT CHANGE SPREADSHEET
The group reviewed and worked through the Document Change Spreadsheet (DCS) making
changes or modifications to the AC7130 and AC7130/1 checklist as appropriate. The DCS
contains a record of these changes.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett / Melanie Petrucci to make final editorial changes to AC7130 and
AC7130/1 and issue on a 45 day ballot to the TG. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
16.0
AC7130/2 LASER TRACKER SLASH SHEET DEVELOPMENT – OPEN
This subject was not covered by the entire TG initially, with key individuals stepping out to
complete an outstanding action whilst the time was used to continue with the AC7130/5 ballot
comments which were not able to be completed within the session on Monday.
Steve Row and Mark Clark drafted modifications to a section on ‘Establishing the Coordinate
System’ in the AC7130/2 Laser Tracker checklist which was brought back to the whole TG to
review. The checklist is ready to be tested prior to initial ballot.
17.0
AC7130/X ARTICULATED ARM SLASH SHEET DEVELOPMENT – OPEN
A motion was made during the Airflow session on Monday to not discuss the Articulated Arm
checklist in favor of carrying on with MSA and Airflow. Motion made by Norman Gross and
seconded by Steve Row. Motion Passed.
This item was tabled. A small sub-team will draft an Articulated Arm checklist over conference call
(anyone interested being involved should contact Jim Bennett at jbennett@p-r-i.org). The initial
draft will be reviewed by the whole group as an agenda item at the October 2014 meeting in
Pittsburgh. The content of the checklist will determine if it is necessary to test the checklist prior to
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ballot. Initial thinking is that it may not require testing. Training to the auditors on the checklist and
technology will be necessary.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett / Melanie Petrucci to schedule teleconference call to develop the
Articulated Arm checklist. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
18.0
AUDITOR CONFERENCE – OPEN
Jim Bennett showed the outline content for the auditor conference, which will take place on
Sunday 19th October 2014, before the meeting in Pittsburgh. The content was discussed and
agreed, with members of the TG potentially needing to provide information for the presentations
as required by Jim Bennett.
Motion made by Norman Gross and seconded by Steve Row to invite supplier voting members to
attend the auditor conference. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to send invite to supplier voting members to attend the auditor
conference. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
19.0
SUPPLIER SYMPOSIUM – OPEN
The TG discussed the content for the Supplier Symposium planned to be conducted at the
October 2014 meeting. The outline agenda and content already developed were reviewed. The
decision was made to schedule the symposium for Wednesday 22 nd October to start after the
NMC meeting and to cover the rest of that day.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to create invite for the Supplier Symposium which can be flowed out
to the members of the TG and other forums. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
Members of the TG will be required to prepare presentation material and give presentations as
appropriate. List as below:

AC7130 Summary – Simon Gough-Rundle
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AC7130/1 Summary – Norman Gross
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AC7130/2 Summary – Randy Becker

AC7130/5 Summary – Al Berger
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Audit Preparation – Dave Eshleman

Supplier Perspective – Dave Eshleman

Responding to NCR’s – Jim Bennett
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to work with the named individuals to prepare the material for the
supplier symposium. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Simon Gough-Rundle and James Mansell to prepare introduction presentation for
supplier symposium, including the business case of ‘why we are doing M&I’. (Due Date: 15-Aug2014)
ACTION ITEM: All Subscriber companies to provide a one slide presentation for mandate position
(which can be shared within the supplier symposium). (Due Date: 15-Aug-2014)
ACTION ITEM: All TG members to try and supply photographs of good and bad measurement
systems for use in presentations. (Due Date: 15-Aug-2014)
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ACTION ITEM: Lisa Leonard to provide additional photographs for slides/content for the supplier
symposium. (Due Date: 15-Aug-2014)
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to provide a worked example to show the NCR flow, audit report
packages, audit review process and notifications. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
20.0
M&I NEWSLETTER – OPEN
The group discussed the next M&I Newsletter which is to be created and issued as soon as
possible. The sections discussed were:

Meet the Vice Chair – Norman Gross

Key Issue: Measurement Environments – Mark Clark

Top Findings from the Test Audits – Jim Bennett

Changes to checklists – Jim Bennett
ACTION ITEM: Named members to provide sections for M&I Newsletter, which Jim Bennett will
pull together. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
21.0
RAIL REVIEW – OPEN
Action items from the meeting were discussed and will be added from the meeting minutes after
the meeting.
Translation of checklists into other languages was discussed, with French being a priority due to
representation on the TG. The Boeing Company could potentially assist with Chinese if this
becomes a requirement.
ACTION ITEM: Airbus and SAFRAN to work on translating the issued checklists into French. (Due
Date: 19-Oct-2014)
22.0
DEVELOP AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 2014 – OPEN
The agenda for the October 2014 meeting in Pittsburgh was discussed and developed.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett / Melanie Petrucci to complete and issue agenda for October 2014
meeting. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
23.0
MEETING FACILITATION FEEDBACK – OPEN
Feedback on the meeting facilitation was discussed, specific points raised were:

At some points the meeting was behind agenda, but always agreed by the group and the
flexibility was seen as a positive.
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Presentations at NMC and other groups were viewed as very good
TG members are asked to fill in the feedback form as sent over e-mail after the meeting.
ACTION ITEM: Jim Bennett to arrange a training session over WebEx for how to use eAuditNet.
(Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)
Motion made to close the meeting was made by Mark Clark and seconded by Norman Gross.
Motion passed.
ADJOURNMENT – 26-Jun-2014 – Meeting was adjourned at 3.20 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: James Mansell - james.mansell@rolls-royce.com
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***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select
one)
YES* ☒ NO ☐
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision:
Who is responsible:
AC7130/5
PRI Staff
AC7130
PRI Staff
AC7130/1
PRI Staff
Due date:
3-Jul-2014
31-Jul-2014
31-Jul-2014