Week 5: Process and Performance Management - Discussion Cost of Quality (graded) Although a balanced score card is probably the way to go, most companies don't seem to have a clue about the more fundamental aspects of quality, such as the cost of quality. So let's start here. Just what do we mean when we talk about the cost of quality? What major areas does it include? Responses Response Author RE: The cost Herman Shelton of quality? Date/Time 9/25/2011 7:12:21 PM Modified:9/26/2011 2:19 PM When we talk about the cost of quality we are talking about the cost of ensuring goods and/or services meet predetermined targets and/or expectations. In the case of expectations or targets, they must be set to attain a certain level of quality. The key is determining if the cost are spent up front by ensuring the expectations and/or targets are met before there are problems or after there are problems. Generally speaking, the cost of quality can be 1000 times more expensive after problems surface. RE: The cost of quality? Thomas Humphrey 9/28/2011 7:13:49 PM In my opinion quality is worth the money. If the job is not done right the first time then the customer will end up spending more money in the end. RE: The cost of quality? Eric Mendez 9/29/2011 9:39:23 PM The thing with quality it does not yield instant gratification for the company. When the company begins to put emphasis on quality they are investing money on workmanship, better materials, quality control ect. but the results don't come till after the customer is done using the product, word of mouth, and may even take long for skeptics. While the results of having a reputation of good quality are great building that reputation takes time and can be costly to a company at first. RE: The cost of quality? 9/27/2011 7:56:00 PM Eric Maynard The cost of quality could have several meanings depending on to whom you are speaking. From a Sales & Marketing perspective, if a product possesses quality then the ever elusive yet invaluable word-of-mouth advertising tears through an industry boosting sales, manufacturing, and ultimately profits! If the corporate accountant is balancing the books and observes excessive costs in the manufacturing department with no justification then quality becomes a derogatory term used to explain the bottom line. Cost of quality Instructor Thomas 9/25/2011 7:38:41 PM Just what do we mean when we talk about the cost of quality RE: Cost of quality Adam Oney 9/26/2011 11:01:26 AM When we talk about cost of quality we are attempting to relate quality to money. This is done in an attempt to quantify the profit gain or loss associated with a particular quality metric. This approach helps to sell upper management on the importance of quality and the impact it can have to a companies bottom line. RE: Cost of quality Richard Joyce 9/28/2011 8:32:02 PM A lot of the time people do compare and or identify quality with money. In some cases this can be found to be true. However, in most cases this is not true. We could compare something that everyone, in one way or another, should be able to relate to. Going to a "top name" grocery store versus a "lower end" grocery store. In both stores you may find a lot of the same products, but at different prices or you may not. Point being that expensive does not always mean quality or better quality. RE: Cost of quality Jonathan Burt 9/26/2011 6:46:54 PM Taking a balanced scorecard into account the cost of quality is consists of these perspectives: Financial- the results the business provides for its shareholders. Profitability, revenue and growth. Internal- internal processes that drive the business. Quality levels, productivity, cycle time and cost. Customer- focuses on customer needs an satisfaction. Innovation and Learning perspectives- future success in the organizations people and infrastructure. Skills development, intellectual assets, employee satisfaction, and market innovation are key measures RE: Cost of quality Brandon Krauklis 9/29/2011 5:09:47 PM The cost of quality is a term that's widely used – and widely misunderstood. The "cost of quality" isn't the price of creating a quality product or service. It's the cost of NOT creating a quality product or service. Every time work is redone, the cost of quality increases. Obvious examples include: The reworking of a manufactured item. The retesting of an assembly. The rebuilding of a tool. The correction of a bank statement. The reworking of a service, such as the reprocessing of a loan operation or the replacement of a food order in a restaurant. In short, any cost that would not have been expended if quality were perfect contributes to the cost of quality. http://asq.org/learn-about-quality/cost-of-quality/overview/overview.html RE: Cost of quality Thomas Humphrey 10/2/2011 8:07:37 PM Most people are willing to pay more for quality than they are for non quality work. If we know a product or service is quality made or performed then it is easier to pay the higher price. owever if we are unsure about the service or product then we are more reluctant to pay the price if we think it is high. RE: Cost of quality John Donnellan 10/2/2011 11:38:24 PM I like to think of cost of quality more as 'value' of quality. Having a defined quality program that works is an invaluable asset to an organization. On the other hand, lack of quality management can 'cost' an organization big time. RE: Cost of quality Kyle Tennant 9/30/2011 11:52:00 PM When we talk about the cost of quality, we are talking about the overall picture of quality and what it takes to attain the quality that we strive for as an organization. You can not expect to build a car that is of extremely high quality, lets say a Lamborghini, for the price that it takes to build a Hyundai. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Hyundai there are just two completely different levels of quality here and as the old saying goes, you get what you pay for. It costs Lamborghini a ton of money to higher top notch engineers, designers, software developers, brand managers, etc. and this is the cost of quality that they pay for so they can ask for a premium. RE: Cost of quality Jonathan Burt 10/1/2011 10:07:06 AM The cost of quality according to Juran can be divided into four categories: prevention, appraisal, internal and external failure. Prevention- the cost associated with diminishing variation in production or service such as product defects, service errors. Involves reporting, data collections, inspections, etc. Appraisal- cost associated with determining the compliance with quality standards that requires testing to ensure the quality standards are met. Internal Failure- inhouse procedures that identifies quality nonconformance before the product reaches the customer. External Failure- process of dealing with quality nonconformance issues after product or service reaches the customer. Categorized as customer service, returns, warranties, and technical support. Major areas of cost of quality Instructor Thomas 9/25/2011 7:39:11 PM What major areas does COQ include? RE: Major areas of cost of quality Robert Spurlock 9/30/2011 8:07:15 PM Quality costs can be organized into four major categories: prevention costs, appraisal costs, internal failure costs, and external failure costs. (Managing for Quality and Performance Excellence, 7th Edition. South Western Educational Publishing, 2/2007. p. 440). <vbk:1111800219#page(440)> RE: Major areas of cost of quality Jose Jimenez 9/28/2011 2:46:38 PM The major areas of cost of quality are: prevention cost- deals with the tools and techniques that are employed to prevent loss appraisal cost- deals with inspecting products before they go out. internal failure cost- deals with the scraps, rejected products and reworking of defective units external failure cost- deals with warranty, repairs and replacements, product recalls, and liability http://www.accountingformanagement.com/quality_costs.htm#Appraisal Costs RE: Major areas of cost of quality Herman Shelton 9/26/2011 2:20:18 PM What major areas does it include? Based on my experience I believe the major areas are: prevention, detection, analysis and correction. Money can be spent to prevent ever having a problem. However, true cost is not known because one does not know how low they can go until a problem occurs. Therefore, the cost of prevention may be more expensive than it needs to be. Detection – Money has to be spent to have a method of detecting problems before they are external to reduce cost. However, one must also spend money to detect problems once services or goods are external. Sometimes external problems can be identified and corrected before they go viral. Analysis – regardless of internal or external, the data has to be analyzed to develop a solution for the problem. Finally, there is the correction phase of the problem whereby cost increases as one goes from internal to external exposure of the problem. According to the lecture the four categories are: Prevention, Appraisal, internal failure and external failure. I understand their perspective. RE: Major areas of cost of quality Bradley Burgess 9/26/2011 2:38:14 PM The lecture mentions Prevention, Appraisal, internal cost of failure, and external cost failure. The external cost of failure includes a number of things. The most obvious is the cost to fix or replace an item under warranty. An indirect cost of external failure is a loss of customer confidence. This means the customer will be more willingly to buy from a competitor. To counter this you will have to either offer a discount on future purchases or offer better protection on future warranties. Either method will cut into profit margins of the company. RE: Major areas of cost of quality Eric Maynard 9/27/2011 8:18:05 PM As I mentioned before, a few major areas would be sales, manufacturing, and the customer or end user. For a salesperson, having a top-quality product in their arsenal is like walking into a deal with a loaded gun. They know the competition is inferior and can initiate with confidence that the quality will sell itself. With manufacturing, it's all about the quality of the products being used in the manufacturing process, if one builds a widget with junk parts, chances are the final widget will be junk. With regards to the consumer, if it's a quality product then they will likely tell their friends, who will tell their friends, who will tell ....etc., and the same thing if it is not quality. RE: Major areas of cost of quality Roberta Pereira 9/27/2011 8:52:36 PM Quality costs can be organized into four major categories: prevention costs, appraisal costs, internal failure costs, and external failure costs. Prevention Costs: The costs incurred to keep failure and appraisal costs to a minimum. For example product design or Poke Yoke costs are prevention costs. Appraisal Costs: The costs incurred to determine the degree of conformance to quality requirements. For example Inspection costs are an appraisal cost. Internal Failure Costs: The costs of deficiencies discovered before delivery. We associate deficiencies or nonconformities with the failure to meet explicit requirements or implicit needs of external or internal customers. External Failure Costs: The costs associated with deficiencies found after product is received by the customer. These also include lost opportunities for sales revenue. RE: Major areas of cost of quality Sarah Sikes 9/28/2011 2:44:54 PM Roberta, I agree with you about everything. The only costs that I too could find was prevention costs, appraisal costs, internal failure costs, and external failure costs. So I think that you did a good job on the points you made about each costs. Cost in manufacturing Jonathan Burt 9/26/2011 6:32:50 PM When we look into manufacturing, it is very hard to generalize what areas within the process need to addressed to save on cost and maintain high quality. I use this example from the readings: a. Design the product. b. Make it and test it in production line and in laboratory. c. Put it on the market. d. Test it in service through market research; find out what the user thinks of it, and why the nonuser has not bought it. e. Redesign the product, in light of consumer reactions to quality and price. It is in the redesigning of a product that we see areas in the manufacturing process that can reduce time, save on materials, and overall reduce cost. RE: Cost of Quality Jose Jimenez 9/27/2011 7:27:46 PM Modified:9/27/2011 7:30 PM Many people talk about quality and the cost of it everyday, but misunderstand it. The cost of quality really is the money not used to make a product of Quality. When people have to rework a product or "services not conforming to requirements or customer/user needs the cost of quality increases. For example: The reworking of a manufactured item. The retesting of an assembly. The rebuilding of a tool. The correction of a bank statement. The reworking of a service, such as the reprocessing of a loan operation or the replacement of a food order in a restaurant. The cost of quality can also be involved in the "costs of all activities specifically designed to prevent poor quality in products or services". Examples are the costs of: New product review Quality planning Supplier capability surveys Process capability evaluations Quality improvement team meetings Quality improvement projects Quality education and training http://asq.org/learn-about-quality/cost-of-quality/overview/overview.html Cost of Quality Angela Ashford 9/27/2011 9:01:58 PM It is the price you will pay for not considering quality and it is the cost incurred to rework something. Some examples are re-testing, re-inspecting, customer or client complaints, returns and warranty claims to name a few. RE: Cost of Quality Herman Shelton 9/28/2011 6:55:11 PM Angela, I agree. Re-testing, re-inspecting and dealing with customer complaints can be costly. It is proven it takes a lot more money to get a customer back than to keep one. Key processes Instructor Thomas 9/28/2011 10:09:41 AM Identify some of the key processes associated with the following business activities: sales and marketing, supply chain management, managing information technology, and managing human resources. RE: Key processes for sales and marketing Jose Jimenez 9/28/2011 3:07:11 PM These are the steps in Marketing Process:1. Compatibility Screening 2. Select the target Market 3. Market Positioning 4. Business and Marketing Strategy 5. Development, Implementation and Control of Marketing Plan. Read more: http://www.brighthub.com/office/entrepreneurs/articles/89562.aspx#ixzz1ZHbQNYx1 These are the steps for sales1. Prospecting/Initial contact 2. Pre-approach- planning the sale 3. Approach 4. Need assessment 5. Presentation 6. Meeting objections 7. Gaining commitment 8. Follow-up 9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_process RE: Key processes Eric Maynard 9/28/2011 8:27:31 PM Some key processes associated with managing the supply chain involve compiling data! One must determine what they need, how much of it they need, and where they can get it. After a manifest is drafted listing the supplies, cross-referenced with the potential suppliers, a more involved method of research is required to determine which supplier can provide the highest quality items at the most reasonable price. Here, we can invoke the cost of quality if upon preliminary research it is found that the same product, except of much better quality, can be purchased at a price that far exceeds that of the originally chosen product. How far would an organization go, or how much would it spend to provide its customers/clients with the highest quality products available............... RE: Key processes Angela Ashford 9/29/2011 11:24:10 AM For information technology some of the key processes would be making sure the system is fast and designed well for efficency. For supply chain it would be organizing the work between the supplier and buyer. An example would be making sure that orders are fullfilled accurately and to the customers satisfaction while managing the relationship of buyer and supplier. For Human Resources some of the business processes would be employee recognition, benefits management, hiring and training of qualified employees etc. For sales and marketing some of the processes would be manging the benefits and features of the company, branding, and inventory reduction and rotation through the sales department. RE: Key processes Brandon Krauklis 10/1/2011 7:58:24 PM The key areas of HRM Process are: 1) Human resource planning 2) Attraction – also called as recruitment 3) Selection 4) Directing 5) Training and development 6) Performance appraisal 7) Promote, demote or transfer regarding to performances http://practicehrm.blogspot.com/2009/09/human-resource-managementprocess.html RE: cost of quality Robert Spurlock 9/28/2011 7:47:23 PM Modified:9/28/2011 7:48 PM When I think of cost of Quality I think of what a company losses if they don’t invest in it. To look over quality is to only focus on the short term aspect of the company. RE: cost of quality Sarah Sikes 10/2/2011 1:26:51 PM Robert, I agree with you. At work if we over look quality that would be a bad thing then we might sell something that is broken for example. Repeatable and measurable Instructor Thomas 9/28/2011 8:57:02 PM Provide some examples of processes that are repeatable and measurable and some that are not. RE: Repeatable and measurable Thomas Humphrey 10/2/2011 8:12:30 PM A process that comes to my mind that needs to be repeatable is automobile manufacturing. These are very large products that take some time to complete so for the companies to be able to turn out the numbers they need, they have to have a process that can be repeated easily to maximize their production numbers. Student processes Instructor Thomas 9/28/2011 8:57:34 PM List some of the common processes that a student performs. How can these processes be improved? What is kaizen? Instructor Thomas 9/28/2011 8:57:53 PM What is kaizen? RE: What is kaizen? Brandon Krauklis 10/2/2011 8:16:06 PM Japanese term for a gradual approach to ever higher standards in quality enhancement and waste reduction, through small but continual improvements involving everyone from the chief executive to the lowest level workers. http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/kaizen.html RE: What is kaizen? John Donnellan 10/2/2011 11:42:08 PM Modified:10/2/2011 11:42 PM Kaizen is a Japanese management system focusing on continuous improvement. It stresses involvement from the whole organization top to bottom. RE: What is kaizen? Jose Jimenez 10/2/2011 4:24:24 PM Kaizen means "improvement" or "change for the better". It refers to a philosophy that focus upon continuous improvement in processes. In manufacturing, engineering, supporting business processes, and management. RE: What is kaizen? Robert Spurlock 9/29/2011 9:08:11 PM Kaizen, which is a Japanese word that means gradual and orderly continuous improvement, is a philosophy that encompasses all business activities and everyone in an organization (Managing for Quality and Performance Excellence, 7th Edition. South Western Educational Publishing, 2/2007. p. 387). <vbk:1111800219#page(387)> it is a standard that a company decides to go by as their way to aproach missions in the organization. RE: What is kaizen? Angela Ashford 9/30/2011 7:10:16 PM Its a core principle of quality management generally, and specifically within the methods of Total Quality Management. RE: What is kaizen? Eric Mendez 9/30/2011 10:24:41 PM "A Japanese management strategy called Kaizen roughly translates to "continuous slow improvement." In the corporate world, it's an efficiency and defect-proofing system often used on factory floors. But Kaizen emphasizes the well-being of the employee, working smarter, not harder and developing best practices so that workers don't have to think. As such, Kaizen is an ideal approach to improve one's personal workflow." http://lifehacker.com/207029/practice-your-personal-kaizen RE: What is kaizen? Bradley Burgess 9/29/2011 1:29:59 PM Kaizen is, in effect, TQM on a instinctual level. It refers to a philosophy of constantly looking for little ways to improve the business. These improvement do not need to be large ones, in fact Kaizen encourages the small changes that can be done with a minimum of investment. But the combined sum of these little changes can lead to drastic improvements over time. RE: What is kaizen? Herman Shelton 9/29/2011 4:31:06 PM Kaizen, which is a Japanese word that means gradual and orderly continuous improvement, is a philosophy that encompasses all business activities and everyone in an organization. (Managing for Quality and Performance Excellence, 7th Edition. South Western Educational Publishing, 2/2007. p. 387). <vbk:1111800219#page(387)> Kaizen is a way of life. From the perspective of a Ninja, it is the everyday every way pursuit of progress in hopes of achieving perfection. Kaizen is an attitude! RE: What is kaizen? Adam Oney 9/29/2011 7:17:04 PM Herman, Good definition of Kaizen. Kaizen can also refer to the Kaizen Institute, which exists to assist those in implementing Kaizen. There are three key points in a successful Kaizen program. The first point is that operational changes and efficiencies will reveal inefficiency and waste. The second point is that all employees in Kaizen seek to improve, this includes top management all the way to the line level. The third point is that workers have to have the ability to engage in providing feedback on methods of improvement. RE: What is kaizen? 10/1/2011 5:38:33 PM Bradley Burgess Another key point to understand about kaizen is that it focuses on small changes. It is the polar opposite of the breakthrough method, which uses radical changes. A good analogy might trying to diet to lose weight. Kaizen would be eating baked chicken instead of fried, reducing portions, and other little steps. The Breakthrough method is deciding to go on the Atkins diet. While both serve the same goals, kaizen happens slowly, but melds itself into everyday life. Six Sigma Projects Instructor Thomas 9/28/2011 8:58:20 PM How might Six Sigma projects be applied to product design? RE: Six Sigma Projects Eric Maynard hmmm...tough question! 9/30/2011 2:39:31 PM The only thing I can think of would be a design team in a given industry using Six Sigma as a way of marketing themselves. They would obviously possess a documented history of success with their designs. For example, it could be a consulting firm that has had major success examining organizations' use of information technology and consulted on a better design, utilizing their current technology, that would yield reduced expenses and greater efficiency! RE: Six Sigma Projects Jose Jimenez 10/2/2011 4:31:29 PM The six Sigma concepts is facilitated through use of basic and advanced quality improvement and control tools by teams whose members are trained to provide fact – based decision – making information. It can be described as a business improvement approach that seeks to find and eliminate causes and defects and errors in manufacturing and service processes by focusing on outputs that are critical to customers and a clear financial return for the organization. RE: Six Sigma Projects Roberta Pereira 10/1/2011 9:37:29 PM Six Sigma is an approach to designing or redesigning product and/or service to meet or exceed customer requirements, expectation and improving profitability. Appropriately applied, it generates the right product or service at the right time at the right cost. RE: Six Sigma Projects Logan Richard 10/2/2011 5:57:35 PM Well you can cut the waste out in making the products, this means less money spent and less time to develop the product. Using measurements Instructor Thomas 9/29/2011 8:55:15 PM How can measurements be used to control and improve the daily operations at your place of employment? Index numbers Instructor Thomas 9/30/2011 7:11:06 PM Explain how index numbers are often used to analyze quality cost data. Linking performance measurements Instructor Thomas 10/1/2011 9:11:22 PM Explain the importance and utility of linking performance measurements to strategy. Tracking costs Instructor Thomas of quality 10/2/2011 1:20:59 PM Are the costs in the "cost of quality" tracked in most companies? If not, why do you think they aren’t? Not tracking COQ Instructor Thomas 10/2/2011 1:21:27 PM If the costs of quality are not being tracked by an organization, what would need to be changed so they are or can be tracked? Do you get what you pay Instructor Thomas for? 10/2/2011 1:21:54 PM There is a saying, "You get what you pay for." Do you agree? Why or why don't you think this is so? RE: Do you get what Roberta Pereira you pay for? 10/2/2011 4:36:22 PM Sometimes I agree with but in other hand the price could be a business strategy to gain the customer confidence. High quality mean customer satisfaction and customer satisfaction mean that you retain customers who are happy, will continue with your product and refer you to others. Even though your product may be of a low price and you have a high quality of TQM, you may end up with more sales than a product with a high price but low TQM. It's all about customer and stakeholder satisfaction. You keep your customers satisfied, and they will keep coming back despite the price. RE: Do you get what Kyle Tennant you pay for? 10/2/2011 11:35:52 PM I think that for the most part when it comes to my favorite thing to buy, electronics, price very often reflects the level of quality that you can expect to see out of a product. While this is not always true one hundred percent of the time, you can almost guarantee that if you buy a cheap electronic device, you are going to get something that is cheap quality. With electronics it comes down to the components that are used to develop and create the product, typically the more you pay the better the components. RE: Do you get what Adam Oney you pay for? 10/2/2011 10:13:28 PM I think this accurate for the most part. There are definitely examples where this is not accurate. I am a huge baseball fan and the comparison of teams with the highest and lowest payroll definitely seems to have some merit that the more you spend the better you will do. There always seems to be anomalies such as the Tampa Bay Rays who have one of the lowest payrolls but ended up winning a significant amount of games and making the playoffs. I think it is accurate most of the time because with greater resources or higher prices the ability to use higher quality parts and players can make a difference. http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2011/09/29/the-most-and-least-efficient-mlbteams-of-2011/ JIT Instructor Thomas 10/2/2011 1:22:49 PM What is Just In Time (JIT) anyway? When is JIT appropriate? RE: JIT Logan Richard 10/2/2011 5:54:48 PM Just in time is when you do not over stock your supplies, you get just enough when you need them. Influencing suppliers Instructor Thomas 10/2/2011 1:23:22 PM Is it enough to tell our suppliers they need to do something, say implement TQM? Why or why not? RE: Influencing suppliers Richard Joyce 10/2/2011 7:14:01 PM I don't think that it is enough to simply tell suppliers that they must do something to correct a problem, such as implementing constantly. This could become a quit lengthly process, one with possible frustrations and complications. In most cases, but not all, people, companies, and or businesses are going to do the minimum required in order to meet industry standards. For this reason, buyers and purchasers of materials or goods must constantly provide input and demand quality. RE: Influencing suppliers Eric Mendez 10/2/2011 7:59:14 PM I would have to agree with Richard, simply telling the supplier to do implement TQM is not enough. TQM would be achieved with working with the supplier, not just telling them to improve their quality on their end. RE: Influencing suppliers Kyle Tennant 10/2/2011 9:56:44 PM It is never enough to just tell a supplier or anyone in an organization that they need to fix simply one area especially if you are unfamiliar with the inner workings of the other organization. First, your organization should have performed its due diligence and sent out a RFP that correctly and accurately outlined what it was looking for in a supplier. Then in the case that the supplier is not living up to what was outlined, the organization can come back and say this is what was agreed upon and have a course of action that will hold up in litigation. More JIT Instructor Thomas 10/2/2011 1:23:56 PM JIT means that if I'm a company then the supplies I use will arrive just before I need them, yes? Remember, a JIT system is a supply system. It does not, in of itself. inherently guarantee anything about the quality of the products shipped or received. This is an important note to remember. So if improved quality is not the issue, then where is the money to be made or saved (the reason for doing this) by using JIT versus running typical warehouse and WIP (work-in-process)? Why would a company want to have a JIT system instead of having a warehouse of inventory and not have to worry if the supplier's shipment will arrive on time or not? Low inventories Instructor Thomas 10/2/2011 1:24:27 PM With a JIT system, I have low inventories and I am basically living hand-to-mouth for parts. What does my company need to do in order to be sure we do not have too many parts on hand, and why is this important? What does the supplier need to do so we will not run out of parts? Equipment failures Instructor Thomas 10/2/2011 1:24:58 PM What happens when manufacturing equipment fails? What happens when the parts you use don't work correctly or cause scrap and rework? These are indications of lack of predictability. Is this conducive to JIT? What criteria should be placed on the company that plans to implement JIT? What criteria should we be placing on our suppliers? — Comment: It is important to understand that JIT, in its purest form, is really nothing more than a scheduling system. However, as you noted, if you are going to utilize such a system then there are certain things that need to exist in order to minimize the effects of using this system, not least of which are predictable processes, quality parts, and accurate forecasts. JIT Suppliers Instructor Thomas 10/2/2011 1:25:26 PM What about the JIT supplier? Does he or she have the same kinds of needs and concerns as we do? Why or why not? Let's say, for whatever reason, we like a particular supplier, but they are following the old line of attempting to inspect quality in their products. What do we need to do or what should we do? — Comment: The supplier must be able to deliver materials in a predictable and consistent manner. That means his or her "house" must be in order as well as yours. Your supplier might also have suppliers. What about their operations? Cost of Quality Logan Richard 10/2/2011 5:53:20 PM When I think of this, I think of Target and Wal-Mart. The reason why Wal-Mart is so cheap and beats out the competition is quality of their products as in "Wal-Mart fall-apart". I always try and shop at Target verses Wal-Mart. because of a test I completed. I took two end tables one from Target and the other from Wal-Mart. I have three kids so normal wear and tear is higher in my house. Needless to say I still have the one from Target. RE: Cost of Quality Richard Joyce 10/2/2011 7:31:37 PM I'm not sure that I would necessarily agree with your experiment. This may be true for some test conducted, however many trail and errors need to be completed in order to get a true result. Personally I prefer WalMart simply for the fact of more competitively priced items, compared in terms of us versus them. At the same time, the sain does go, " you get what you pay for".