WELDING TASK GROUP
JUNE 2015
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
JUNE 23-25, 2015
MONTRÉAL, QUÉBEC, CANADA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
TUESDAY, 23-JUN-2015 to THURSDAY, 25-JUN-2015
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS - OPEN
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Welding Task Group was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 23-JUN-2015 by Steve Tooley.
Introductions were made and the roster circulated for completion by attendees.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
COMPANY NAME
*
*
*
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Robbie
Brandon
Joakim
Saeed
Adams
Beasley
Carlsson
Cheema
*
Craig
Andy
Clasper
Dewhurst
David
Chris
Greg
Brian
Valere
Martha
Tommy
Jerry
Michael
Hugh
Ralph
Holger
Mitsuharu
Mario
Scott
Anthony
Joel
Lyle
Alberto
Richard
Marie
Laurie
Steve
Dvorsky
English
Goldhager
Harvey
Henry
Hogan-Battisti
Howland
Hulin
Irvin
Jamison
Kropp
Krueger
Kuya
Leclerc
Maitland
Marino
Mohnacky
Morris
Perez
Perrett
Piche
Strom
Tooley
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Honeywell Aerospace
Parker Aerospace Group
GKN Aerospace Sweden AB
Cessna Aircraft Company (Textron
Aviation)
Spirit AeroSystems
BAE Systems –Military Air & Information
(MAI)
Rockwell Collins, Inc.
GE Aviation
UTC Aerospace (Hamilton Sundstrand)
Gulfstream Aerospace
SAFRAN Group (Techspace-Aero)
The Boeing Company
Spirit AeroSystems
GKN Aerospace
The Boeing Company
Bombardier Inc.
MTU Aero Engines AG
Airbus Group
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI)
Bombardier Inc.
UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
The Boeing Company
UTC Aerospace (Hamilton Sundstrand)
Raytheon Company
Lockheed Martin Corporation
GKN Aerospace
Bombardier Inc.
Honeywell Aerospace
Rolls-Royce
Secretary
Vice Chairperson
Chairperson
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Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
Elias
Diego
*
Basilio
Richard
Daniel
Junji
Christopher
COMPANY NAME
Awad
BenavidesFernandez
Conde
Freeman
Gomes
Tsuji
Webb
ILCO Industries
Vestshell
Shellcast Foundries Inc.
TWI Ltd
Shellcast Foundries Inc.
Ishikawajima-Harima Heavy Industries Co
PCC Structurals Inc.
PRI Staff Present
Gabriel
Ian
1.2
Kustra
Simpson
Safety Information
The participants were notified of the meeting safety requirements.
1.3
Review Code of Ethics (Ref: Attendees’ Guide) and Meeting Conduct
The Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct policies were reviewed.
1.4
Present the Antitrust Video
The Antitrust policy video was shown.
1.5
Review Agenda
Ian Simpson reviewed the agenda for the June 2015 Nadcap meeting. New business items were
identified for inclusion in item 7.0 (in closed meeting) and item 21.0 (in open meeting).
1.6
Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes
Motion made by Michael Irvin and seconded by Steve Tooley to accept the March 2015 Nadcap
meeting minutes. Motion passed.
1.7
RAIL Review
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed by Ian Simpson. All items with a due date of
June 2015 or prior are either closed or are included in this meeting for discussion, except for item
148 (Data analysis for where auditors are writing non-conformance reports) and item 178
(Provide Steve Tooley with information to support the October Auditor Conference agenda item
on weld failure) .
The Task Group agreed that item 148 should be closed. The task is proving too difficult and
although would be beneficial, the Task Group is still able to use the data in its current form.
The Task Group also agreed that item 178 should be closed as this specific item is being
removed from the 2015 Auditor Conference agenda.
For specific details, please see the current WLD Rolling Action Item List posted at
www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
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1.8
Staff Engineer Communiqué
Ian Simpson presented a Nadcap Communiqué to the Task Group.
1.8.1
Complete revision of the procedures controlling Nadcap: PD 1100 is the procedure controlling
Nadcap accreditation requirements; NOPs, NIPs and NTGOPs are replaced by Operating
Procedures (OPs).
1.8.2
PRI Staff changes: Cathy Rush has replaced Stacey McKinley and will support Kellie Roach in
the Committee Service Representative role.
1.8.3
PRI Staff changes: Gabriel Kustra has been hired as a new Weld Staff Engineer.
1.8.4
The October 2015 Nadcap Meeting will be held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania USA. The Auditor
Conference will be held the weekend prior to the Nadcap meeting.
2.0
AUDITOR CONFERENCE – CLOSED
Ian Simpson presented a draft agenda for review by the Task Group. This contained agenda
items as agreed at the March 2015 Task Group meeting. Some revisions were discussed: an
hour has been requested by the Nadcap Management Council (NMC) to address each Task
Group’s Auditors; a new topic of procedural findings for a supplier that had been on merit was
also added. The Task Group determined that this latter issue needs to be addressed with the
auditors immediately (via Auditor Advisory) and during the October Auditor Conference.
Due to the addition of these 2 items to the agenda some previously included items were removed
and the agenda revised. Each agenda item has a Task Group member assigned who is
responsible for any presentation development, and will coordinate the training of this item at the
Conference.
The agenda has incorporated times for face-to-face meetings with auditors if this is required. (As
agreed at the March Task Group meeting, any auditor may request to have a face-to-face
discussion as a result of their annual evaluation). Task Group member volunteers agreed to
conduct these on an as-needed basis.
There are already actions defined on the RAIL in support of the Auditor Conference. In addition to
these the following actions were assigned:
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to issue an Auditor Advisory to instruct auditors to document the
location (document number & paragraph) for each checklist procedural question. (Due Date: 31Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to finalize agenda and submit to the Conference organization team.
(Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to develop and submit PRI specific training material for the October
Auditor Conference to the Conference organization team. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Saeed Cheema to develop and submit Cessna training material for the October
Auditor Conference. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Bob Fletcher to develop and submit training material on guidance for auditors on
prevention of audit interference for the October Auditor Conference. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Gary Coleman to develop and submit training material on AWS Specification
revisions for the October Auditor Conference. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
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ACTION ITEM: Holger Krueger to develop and submit training material on ISO Specification
revisions for the October Auditor Conference. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Holger Krueger to develop and submit training material on Best / Worst Audit
experiences for the October Auditor Conference. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Michael Irvin to develop and submit training material on Non-Conformance Report
(NCR) writing for the October Auditor Conference. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Steve Tooley to develop and submit training material on Auditor Consistency for
the October Auditor Conference. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Steve Tooley to gain permission to use training material on welder qualification
and submit for the October Auditor Conference. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
3.0
AUDITOR EFFECTIVENESS – CLOSED
3.1
Review of OP 1117
Ian Simpson informed the Task Group that the proposed revisions to OP 1117 have not yet
occurred, but noted that the procedure is in the ballot process. Hence the Task Group must
remain compliant to the current revision. There are however some items that are likely to be
revised and the Task Group is aware of how these revisions will affect the requirements.
The following items were discussed:
3.1.1
Annual Review of Auditors
As agreed at the March 2015 Task Group meeting, annual reports will be created utilizing the
format used in 2014. These will be forwarded to each auditor and discussions with Staff
Engineers will occur where necessary. Any auditor wishing to have a face-to-face discussion will
have the opportunity at the October 2015 Auditor Conference.
3.1.2
Standard Data Set
The standard data set charts were reviewed by the Task Group. It was hoped that further analysis
of the NCRs per checklist paragraph would help the Task Group interpret stronger / weaker
auditors in particular subjects, however as this was not available, the Task Group looked for
obvious items in the charts. Note that the red-line chart was not available for review as the report
that generates this chart is currently unavailable.
The Task Group had a detailed discussion about auditor consistency with respect to number of
NCRs, grouping of findings into one NCR and procedural findings. There was agreement to
create a sub-team to do a deep dive analysis on recent failed audits to determine root cause of
procedural NCRs for suppliers who have had merit. The Risk Mitigation team for audit 157291 will
provide information as necessary to the sub-team.
ACTION ITEM: Lyle Morris and Robbie Adams to investigate root cause of procedural findings in
recent failed audits. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
3.1.3
Auditor Observation Plan
Per an action from the March 2015 Task Group meeting, Steve Tooley and Ian Simpson had
drafted a method of prioritizing auditors for evaluation. This was reviewed by the Task Group and,
after some minor revisions to the weighting of categories, was agreed. This will therefore be used
going forward to establish which auditors need to be evaluated.
The observation plan that was developed at the March 2015 Task Group meeting was reviewed
in conjunction with the prioritization tool.
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The new prioritization plan tool indicated that there may be another auditor that needs to be
added for observation. Steve Tooley and Ian Simpson agreed to update the prioritization
scorecard based on the revision made by the Task Group. This will be reviewed at the October
Task Group meeting to establish if there is a need to observe an additional auditor.
ACTION ITEM: Steve Tooley and Ian Simpson to update the Auditor Prioritization scorecard prior
to the October meeting. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
The observation plan was reviewed to establish if the Task Group are on track to meet their
targeted oversight for 2015. It was noted that one of the high risk auditors had not yet had an
observation scheduled and Task Group members were therefore requested to establish if they
could observe the auditor in question.
OP 1117 requires that new auditors should be observed within 6 months of becoming an auditor.
However, the Task Group believes that a new auditor should conduct at least 3 audits before they
are observed. Combining the procedural requirement and the Task Group’s desire could result in
only a very short period in which the observation could occur. Ralph Kropp volunteered to discuss
this issue with the NMC.
ACTION ITEM: Ralph Kropp to discuss with the NMC the logistics of performing observation
audits of new auditors within the criteria of OP 1117. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
3.1.4
Observation Reports
The Task Group reviewed 5 observations. None of the observations had any specific issues that
the auditors who were observed need to address.
3.1.5
Dashboard
The dashboard metrics as required in the current revision of OP 1117 were reviewed. It has
already been noted that these dashboard metrics will be revised to ones that better match the
requirements. As these are the metrics that are currently required though, the Task Group did
review but again noted that they are not realistic to define the status of the Task Group’s control
of this process.
3.1.6
Identify Training Needs for Auditors
The review of data defined here and also from item 2.0 has resulted in identified training items
that have been included in the Auditor Conference agenda. An action already exists for Ian
Simpson to review the Auditor Observation feedback forms and include any generic items in the
October Auditor Conference.
3.1.7
Annual Report to the NMC
The Task Group was reminded of the report format that they will need to complete and provide to
the NMC. No specific items for consideration have been added at this time.
3.1.8
OP 1117 Items Not Requiring Review at this Meeting
There are a number of items that OP 1117 requires the Task Group to review on a periodic basis.
All of the items were reviewed at the March 2015 Task Group meeting; hence the following items
were not reviewed at this meeting:
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Supplier feedback data
Audit Report Reviewer feedback
Communication plan
Weld specific appendix to the Observer form
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Weld specific training
Proficiency testing
The next Supplier feedback data for the period January – June 2015 will be available prior to the
October 2015 Task Group meeting. Sub-group of Steve Tooley and Ian Simpson will review and
present summary at the October 2015 Task Group meeting.
As the Auditor Conference occurs prior to the Task Group meeting in October, the Task Group
agreed that any generic items seen in the 6 month data review should be included in the October
training.
ACTION ITEM: Steve Tooley and Ian Simpson to review the Supplier feedback data and present to
the Task Group at the October meeting. (Due Date: 19-Oct-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Steve Tooley and Ian Simpson to include any generic issues found in the review of
Supplier feedback data into the Auditor Conference training. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
3.2
Auditor Status
The Staff Engineer gave an update of new auditor candidates and the status of process restriction
removals for current auditors.
A new auditor candidate (iCIMS ref 951) was successfully interviewed but the interview team
imposed a restriction for AC7110/1. The T2 training audit however included this process and the
training auditor indicated that the trainee appeared to have sufficient knowledge in this process
and suggested that perhaps another T2 that included AC7110/1 could be used to allow the
trainee to be hired with no process restrictions. This proposal was reviewed by the Task Group
and agreed, hence the Staff Engineer completed the T2 evaluation with this agreement.
4.0
SUPPLIER ADVISORIES – CLOSED
4.1
Review of Advisories since March 2015 Nadcap Meeting.
Ten Supplier Advisories have been issued by WLD since the last Task Group meeting, #2597,
#2600, #2616, #2620, #2625, #2626, #2646, #2665, #2669 and #2670. These were reviewed. No
additional actions were identified.
Six Supplier Advisories were issued by other commodities that could have an effect on WLD
accreditations. These advisories, #2601, #2603, #2623, #2631, #2647 and #2655 were reviewed.
No additional actions were identified.
4.2
Review of Subscriber Advisories.
Ralph Kropp reviewed a recent MTU resistance weld audit that showed inadequate log book
documentation of periodic test coupons. The Task Group had detailed discussion of the
interpretation of time interval and the adequacy of the checklist and auditor handbook.
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to issue an Auditor Advisory to remind auditors to look for
documented evidence of proper time intervals for periodic test coupons. (Due Date: 15-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Subscriber members to provide Subscriber-specific time interval requirements, if
applicable, (and interpretation of time interval) to Ian Simpson for incorporation into the AC7110/4
Auditor Handbook. (Due Date: 15-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to revise AC7110/4 Auditor Handbook with Subscriber specific
information on periodic test coupon evaluation time intervals. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
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5.0
STAFF ENGINEER DELEGATION – CLOSED
5.1
The Staff Engineer reviewed data for Audit Report Reviewers using delegation oversight form tfrm-07, including percentage oversight by Task Group, percentage NCRs concurred with by the
Task Group and other items pertaining to audit completeness. All requirements of OP 1115 were
met for the delegated Audit Report Reviewers and the following Motions were made.
Motion made by Michael Irvin and seconded by Holger Krueger to maintain Ian Simpson’s
delegation. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Michael Irvin and seconded by Krueger to maintain Mike Gutridge’s delegation.
Motion Passed.
Motion made by Michael Irvin and seconded by Krueger to maintain Wayne Canary’s delegation.
Motion Passed.
5.2
The Task Group were reminded that Gabe Kustra will initially be a non-delegated Reviewer and
as such a quorum will be required on each audit that he reviews and ballots to the Task Group.
6.0
SUBSCRIBER DEVIATIONS – CLOSED
6.1
No Subscriber Deviations were requested for review.
7.0
NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED
7.1
Subscriber Matrix – Job Selection
It has been noted that some subscribers accept accreditation rather than mandate, as defined in
the Subscriber Matrix. Hence would an auditor select jobs from a mandating subscriber in
preference to those who only accept? The Task Group stated that jobs from either those who
mandate or accept accreditation are acceptable and the use of the job selection handbook should
be used to ensure the periodic review of all subscriber’s hardware.
7.2
Appeal on Merit Length
Appeal 2015-021 was received and reviewed by the Task Group. This pertained to the merit
length for audit 156118. The supplier had to seek subscriber agreement on their interpretation of
the subscriber’s specification. This action resulted in cumulative late days being in excess of that
allowed for 24 month merit. All other criteria for 24 month merit were met. The supplier contested
that the delay was no fault of their own and therefore appealed the merit length of this audit
accreditation. The Task Group agreed that the supplier should not have had the 24 month merit
denied for this audit and therefore accepted the appeal.
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to complete appeal form, notify supplier of results and revise merit in
audit 156118. (Due Date: 30-Jun-2015)
8.0
REVIEW MEMBERSHIP STATUS – OPEN
8.1
The following subscriber members were noted as attending their first WLD meeting.
8.2
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Mitsuhau Kuya – MHI
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Marie Piche – Bombardier
Saeed Cheema of Cessna (Textron Aviation) attended his second meeting. The Task Group
Chairperson agreed to the appointment of Saeed Cheema as Subscriber Voting Member (UVM)
for Cessna (Textron Aviation) and m-frm-01 was completed.
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Brian Harvey of Gulfstream attended his second meeting. The Task Group Chairperson agreed to
the appointment of Brian Harvey as UVM for Gulfstream and m-frm-01 was completed.
Joakim Carlsson of GKN Aerospace – Sweden attended his second meeting. The Task Group
Chairperson agreed to the appointment of Joakim Carlsson as UVM for GKN Aerospace –
Sweden and m-frm-01 was completed. Joakim has replaced Jerry Isoaho as the Voting member
for GKN Aerospace – Sweden. Jerry’s voting rights will need to be removed.
Dave Dvorsky of Rockwell Collins attended his second meeting. The Task Group Chairperson
agreed to the appointment of Dave Dvorsky as Alternate Subscriber Voting Member (ALT / UVM)
for Rockwell Collins and m-frm-01 was completed.
Brandon Beasley of Parker Aerospace attended his second meeting. The Task Group
Chairperson agreed to the appointment of Brandon Beasley as Alternate Subscriber Voting
Member (ALT / UVM) for Parker Aerospace and m-frm-01 was completed. Tim Storm has left
Parker Aerospace, hence Scott Agbonkonkon will move to UVM from ALT/UVM. The Task Group
Chairperson agreed to the change. An m-frm-01 does not need to be completed for this change.
Tim Storm’s voting rights have already been removed.
Stephen Geldart has left Eaton Aerospace. His voting rights have already been removed.
Earl Pruett of Lockheed Martin will no longer support the WLD Task Group but will retain his
voting status until such time it is lost for non-attendance or until a replacement is sent.
8.3
Task Group meeting attendance and ballot participation was reviewed per Program Document PD
1100 requirements. GKN Aerospace – Sweden and Spirit AeroSystems have not voted on the
last 2 consecutive ballots. Per PD 1100 this causes the loss of voting rights, unless otherwise
agreed by the Chairperson.
The status of GKN Aerospace – Sweden was known at the March 2015 meeting and a lapse was
expected due to the former UVM leaving, hence Steve Tooley agreed to maintain GKN
Aerospace – Sweden’s voting rights.
For Spirit AeroSystems, Tommy Howland apologized and confirmed that he would participate on
future ballots. Hence Steve Tooley agreed to maintain Tommy Howland’s voting rights at this
time.
Eaton Aerospace has now missed 3 consecutive meetings. Their membership status has
therefore been lost.
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to add Saeed Cheema as UVM for Textron. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to add Brian Harvey as UVM for Gulfstream. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to add Joakim Carlsson as UVM for GKN Aerospace – Sweden. (Due
Date: 31-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to add Dave Dvorsky as ALT/UVM for Rockwell Collins. (Due Date: 31Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to add Brandon Beasley as ALT/UVM for Parker Aerospace. (Due
Date: 31-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to change Scott Agbonkonkon from ALT/UVM to UVM for Parker
Aerospace. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to remove Jerry Isoaho’s Voting Rights. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
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ACTION ITEM: Steve Tooley to notify Eaton that they have missed 3 consecutive meetings and
therefore have lost voting rights. (Due Date: 15-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to remove David Struckman’s Voting Rights. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
9.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE (SSC) REPORT – OPEN
Mike Schleckman was not in attendance at this meeting; hence Ian Simpson gave the
presentation on SSC Activities on Mike’s behalf. This gave information on its role, current
activities, the mentoring program and SSC initiatives and events. The SSC provides an avenue
for suppliers to have input and give feedback to the Nadcap system. It provides answers and
support for suppliers who have questions and problems.
10.0
NMC METRICS – OPEN
10.1
Ian Simpson reviewed the NMC metrics to 31-May-2015, including:
Accreditations Issued/Lapsed, Eligible Merit, On-Time Certification, Staff Cycle Time Initial, Staff
Cycle Time Reaccreditation, Task Group Cycle Time Initial, Task Group Cycle Time
Reaccreditation, Supplier Cycle Time Initial, Supplier Cycle Time Reaccreditation. All metric
charts were green. Note that no initial audits were accredited in May 2015; hence specific initial
audit metrics are not applicable.
11.0
SPECIFICATION CHANGES – OPEN
11.1
Lyle Morris provided an update on the status of American Welding Society (AWS) specifications.
Key items included:
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11.2
D17 D,K and J sub-committees met in May and are scheduled to meet again during
the Fabtec Expo in Chicago (Nov 9-12 2015)
D17 D (Resistance Welding). Next revision of AWS D17.2 is being compiled; New
proposal for determining clear annulus zone during radiographic inspection
D17 K (Fusion Welding). Next revision of AWS D17.1 is still in sub-committee
balloting; Last ballot had more than 200 comments
D17 J (Friction Stir Welding). The next revision of AWS D17.3 has completed subcommittee, main committee and AWS Technical Activities committee and will soon
be available for public review before being published
Holger Krueger provided an update on the status of ISO specifications. Key items included:
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There has been no ISO meeting since the last Nadcap Task Group meeting, hence
Holger gave an update of the agenda items for the ISO/ TC 44 committee to be held
in Renton, Washington on 13-15 October 2015. Items on the agenda include
ISO/NP 19828, Welding and brazing for aerospace applications — Visual weld
inspection requirements
ISO 24394, Qualification test for welders and welding operators
ISO 11745:2010, Brazer and brazing operator qualification test
ISO/PWI 17927, Fusion welding of metallic components in aerospace
ISO 16338, Welding for aerospace applications — Resistance spot and seam
welding
Additive Manufacturing is a process under consideration
Lyle Morris and Holger Krueger gave permission for the AWS and ISO Committee updates to be
posted in eAuditNet. These will be added to the Public Documents section for Welding
(Resources / Documents / Public Documents / Welding / Data Folder).
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ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to post the AWS and ISO Committee update presentations in
eAuditNet. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
12.0
HYDROGEN GENERATOR – OPEN
12.1
Discussion on the use of Hydrogen Generator in the Braze Process
The sub-team has previously reported that unless a booster system is employed, the flame is
believed to be oxidizing in nature. It was also noted that a Supplier utilizing a hydrogen generator
would not be able to be accredited to the AC7110/1 checklist as currently written as the operator
is not able to adjust the flame and lack of gas certification.
The next step would be to propose revisions to the existing AC7110/1 checklist to allow this
process. Existing gas certification and flame control questions would have to have Not Applicable
(N/A) answers added and a new supplement to specifically assess the controls required when a
hydrogen generator heat source is used. The sub-team will continue to work on this and provide a
proposal for the Task Group to review.
The sub-team was reminded that checklist questions have to be based on either Industry
specifications or those that are common among subscribers.
ACTION ITEM: Scott Maitland, Gary Coleman, Robbie Adams and Richard Freeman to propose
changes to AC7110/1 applicable to the Hydrogen Generator process. (Due Date: 21-Oct-2015)
13.0
ANNUAL REVIEW OF OP 1114 APPENDIX WLD – OPEN
Ian Simpson reviewed the Weld appendix against the main OP 1114 procedure, and identified a
number of editorial changes that are required so that the documents align correctly. There was
also one proposed technical change that the Task Group reviewed. The procedure was further
reviewed and some other minor changes identified. The procedure is to be balloted to the Task
Group.
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to ballot OP 1114 Appendix Weld. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
14.0
CHECKLIST ITEMS – OPEN
14.1
Handbook Revisions
The Staff Engineer has received the following requests for handbook revisions:
Rolls Royce plc (U3) requested revision to AC7110/12S for clarification of color vision per their
requirements in AC7110/12S para 3.3. Subscribers were requested to provide any further
revisions that they require to this handbook.
A clarification of procedural requirements for the newly introduced questions in AC7110/5
regarding repair welding of castings was requested. This was reviewed and additional verbiage
provided by the Task Group.
GE Aviation requested that an addition be made to the handbook for AC7110/5 para 8.3 to clarify
that their new visual inspector requirements were not being imposed on the repair welding of
castings.
GE Aviation needs to provide revisions to the handbooks to clarify the extent of the new Visual
Inspector requirements that were included in the May 2015 revisions. An Auditor Advisory would
also be beneficial to recognize changes and to define that GE Aviation allowed an implementation
period that was not recognized in the handbook revisions.
ACTION ITEM: Subscriber Members to provide any revisions they require to the Supplemental
handbooks. (Due Date: 15-Jul-2015)
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ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to issue revised handbook for AC7110/12S and any other
Supplemental handbooks based on Subscriber requested revisions. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Chris English to provide GE Aviation handbook changes (AC 7110/3, /4, /5, /6, /9)
related to visual weld inspection to Ian Simpson. (Due Date: 10-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to issue revised handbook for AC7110/5 and any additional
handbooks that require revision to clarify GE Aviation’s position on visual weld inspection. (Due
Date: 31-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson and Chris English to issue Auditor Advisory to clarify that GE Aviation
have given a 6 month implementation for their newly imposed visual inspector qualification
requirement. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
14.2
Checklists Revisions
The laser beam checklist (AC7110/6) completed NMC ballot without any comments, hence the
planned review and disposition of comments that was planned for this meeting was not required.
The Staff Engineer revised the associated handbook and requested Task Group review in April
2015, in order to support the issue of the checklist. Subsequently the checklist was issued with an
effectivity date of 30-Aug-2015.
The flash weld checklist (AC7110/2) and the weld / weld operator qualification checklist
(AC7110/12) were revised to allow modified cycle audits and also incorporate items from the
rolling list of checklist items. These were balloted to the Task Group. Formal notification was sent
that resolution of comments would be addressed at this meeting. Each ballot comment was
reviewed and addressed. Changes that were agreed are all editorial, hence the Staff Engineer is
able to incorporate and ballot directly to the NMC without the requirement for a further ballot to
the Task Group.
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to complete ballot resolution process for AC7110/2 and AC7110/12
and subsequently ballot to NMC. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
The Task Group maintains a rolling list of items for requests on checklist revision. Since the last
Task Group meeting in March 2015, no items have been requested to be added to the list.
The sub-team of Holger Krueger, Michael Irvin and Bob Fletcher was reformed to revise the
handbook for AC7110/12 to align with the checklist revisions.
ACTION ITEM: Sub-Team of Holger Krueger, Michael Irvin and Bob Fletcher to revise the
Handbook for AC7110/12 in-line with revisions made to the checklist. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
At the March 2015 Task Group meeting, Holger Krueger volunteered to review which checklists
require personnel qualification. Holger presented his findings to the Task Group. In conclusion, it
was noted that the checklists use appropriate terminology for the Industry specifications they are
used to assess.
14.3
Smart Checklist
At this time, the majority of checklists have now been reviewed and revised to utilize smart
checklist technology where this is appropriate. The remaining weld processes that still require
revision are AC7110/7, AC7110/8 and AC7110/9. AC7110/13 and the base document, AC7110,
were previously agreed to be the last that would be reviewed. The Task Group agreed that
AC7110/7 would therefore be the next to be formatted into the smart checklist format. The Staff
Engineer was actioned to draft AC7110/7 into the smart checklist format and then send it to
ballot.
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to format and incorporate items as necessary from the rolling action
item list and ballot the AC7110/7 checklist. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
WELDING TASK GROUP
JUNE 2015
CONFIRMED
14.4
Use of AC7110/1 by Heat Treat (HT) Task Group
WLD and HT have a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on the use of the AC7110/1
checklist. When a HT supplier conducts either torch or induction brazing (and they have no other
WLD processes) then HT would perform the audit of AC7110/1. WLD has revised AC7110/1 to
utilize smart checklist technology and hence allow for modified cycle audits. It was assumed that
the functionality rested solely with the checklist revision, however when AC7110/1 Revision G
was issued it became apparent that the ‘smart checklist’ functionality was not occurring in HT
audits that were assigned this checklist. eAuditNet support was requested to investigate and
notified PRI Staff that the smart checklist functionality is not only dependent on the actual
checklist but also on the specific Commodity who is using it. If the smart checklist functionality
were switched on for HT then it would affect all of their other checklists and is therefore
something that they do not wish to do. There are currently 8 suppliers who have AC7110/1
accreditation via HT. Audits at these suppliers will always be standard cycle based on this issue.
The WLD Task Group respects the HT Task Groups decision not to utilize ‘smart checklist’
functionality and accepts that for the limited number of suppliers who utilize HT to perform their
AC7110/1 that there is no risk associated with this.
14.5
Implications of Auditor Advisory WLD-15-003
As a result of an issue discussed at the March 2015 Task Group meeting, an Auditor Advisory
was issued that required full welds to be welded for job audits. This was to prevent suppliers from
presenting tack welding jobs for job audits even though their typical workscope includes “full
welds” (structural welds). While this is being utilized by the auditors, the Staff Engineer has noted
that other similar situations could exist and presented these to the Task Group. The Task Group
agreed that where a supplier welds only certain types of parts, then those parts should be used
for job audits. Subscribers were reminded that their systems need to document weld limitations if
they are applicable. Example – if a supplier has ‘limited’ weld approval for a given Subscriber, it’s
the Subscriber’s responsibility to track this within their supplier database, as the Nadcap
accreditation will not limit the scope of approval.
It was agreed that the existing Auditor Advisory requires revision to clarify the expectations of job
audits.
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to issue a new Auditor Advisory to capture the Task Groups desire for
the job audits to be done on parts that are “typically welded” in production. Note – the existing
Auditor Advisory WLD-15-003 will be rescinded. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
15.0
CREATE NMC FEEDBACK CHART – OPEN
15.1
The Task Group generated the feedback chart for presentation by Steve Tooley at the NMC
meeting.
16.0
NMC MEETING REPORT – OPEN
16.1
Steve Tooley gave a summary of key items that were discussed in the Planning and Operations
meeting and NMC meeting. Key items were:
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Auditor Consistency – results of audits for 4 Commodities and the inclusion of this item
for auditing by the NMC Oversight team
Risk Mitigation – confirmation that there is no waiver under any conditions to avoid the
Risk Mitigation process, but there is intent to re-ballot to allow a waiver in some situations
(for example an initial audit at a Supplier with no Subscriber customers)
Observation form in process of revision to include assessment of the auditor’s
assessment of contract flow down
Audit effectiveness – explanation of the issues seen by the NMC and what actions they
are taking to address this
WELDING TASK GROUP
JUNE 2015
CONFIRMED
17.0
FORUM FOR SUPPLIER ISSUES – OPEN
Several requests were made as indicated below. The Task Group commented to each item as defined:

Do wire cutters used for clipping oxidized filler tips need to be made from austenitic
steel?
The Task Group recognizes that these are typically made from tool steel and they
consider that to be acceptable for this application
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Can a Material Safety Data Sheet be used in lieu of a Certificate of Conformity for tools?
The Task Group does not require Certificates of Conformity for tools so this is a
redundant question
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What level of discoloration constitutes unacceptable oxidation in filler tips?
The Task Group recognizes that different material types show oxidation in different ways,
but stated that discolored tips are oxidized and therefore need to be clipped
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After cleaning a filler wire how is cleanliness maintained?
Cleanliness should be maintained. Hence placing a cleaned wire onto a dirty bench, into
a dirty quiver etc. is not acceptable. Providing a welder cleans his bench or places the
filler on clean tissue then this is considered acceptable
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If we mix our own gas to get a defined gas mixture, are we required to analyze the gas?
Yes the mixture must be shown to be of the required composition
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How can spooled wire cleanliness be demonstrated?
The Task Group added additional verbiage to the handbook for AC7110/5. This will also
be incorporated into the handbooks for AC7110/3 and AC7110/6
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to revise handbooks for AC7110/3, /5 and /6 to incorporate the Task
Group’s guidance for cleanliness of spooled wire. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2015)
18.0
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For automated multi-pass welding, is there any allowance for not visually inspecting
between each weld pass?
The Task Group has already defined the extent to which this would be allowed and
referenced the handbook for AC7110/5 at para 7.4
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For automatic welding, what parameters require calibration?
This should include all parameters that are automatically controlled. This may also require
repeatability studies and where used the axis positions on the controller
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If a piece of inspection or measuring equipment is to be calibrated for a specific length of
time, such as 90 days, is this period to be a continuous calibration, or can it be 90 days’
time in use?
This is the total calendar time
DIFFUSION WELDING – OPEN
Marco Poletto drafted proposed changes to AC7110/8. Ian Simpson briefly reviewed the draft
with the Task Group, but it was decided to defer the review with the Task Group to a later date
when Marco is available.
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to send out the draft AC 7110/8 checklist to the Task Group. (Due
Date: 10-Jul-2015)
WELDING TASK GROUP
JUNE 2015
CONFIRMED
ACTION ITEM: Subscriber members to provide input, if desired, on the draft AC7110/8 checklist to
Ian Simpson. (Due Date: 30-Sep-2015)
19.0
AUDITOR ADVISORIES – OPEN
19.1
Four Auditor Advisories have been issued since the March 2015 Nadcap Meeting. These were
reviewed by the Staff Engineer.
The Task Group was reminded that these are posted in eAuditNet (Resources / Documents /
Public Documents / Welding / Auditor Advisories).
20.0
ADDITIVE MANUFACTURE – OPEN
20.1
The sub-team of Richard Freeman, Scott Maitland, Robbie Adams and Chris English has
continued to develop a draft checklist for the powder bed variant of the Additive Manufacturing
process. The draft checklist was also trialed at a subscriber member’s facility to determine if the
checklist was suitable to audit this process.
A number of valuable comments resulted from the trialing of the checklist. These were reviewed
by the Task Group and further modifications to the draft checklist were proposed. The team will
modify the checklist based on Task Group feedback and then test again at a supplier who uses
the process in the Medical Industry. The team also wishes to gain further information and buy-in
from the equipment manufacturers in order to complete any gaps in the checklist. At this time, it is
believed it is possible for a draft checklist to be available by the February 2016 Task Group
meeting.
Although the checklist is well under way to being developed, the Task Group was reminded that
to be valid that the questions must be based on industry specifications or on requirements that
are common among subscribers. The Task Group also discussed briefly what they would need to
do in order to train and approve auditors to audit to this checklist.
The sub-team will continue to work this and provide a further update at the October 2015 Task
Group meeting.
Michael Irvin and Holger Krueger requested to be added to the team. All subscribers were
encouraged to provide any feedback on the checklist to sub-team lead, Richard Freeman.
ACTION ITEM: Ian Simpson to format draft checklist to recognize the required copyright status
and send out to the Task Group. (Due Date: 10-Jul-2015)
ACTION ITEM: All Subscribers to provide feedback on draft Additive Manufacturing checklist to
Richard Freeman. (Due Date: 30-Aug-2015)
ACTION ITEM: The sub-team of Richard Freeman, Scott Maitland, Robbie Adams, Chris English,
Michael Irvin and Holger Krueger to continue to develop Additive Manufacturing checklist and
provide update at the October Task Group meeting. (Due Date: 22-Oct-2015)
21.0
NEW BUSINESS ITEMS – OPEN
An interpretation of “weld time” as it pertains to periodic testing of resistance welds was
discussed within the Task Group. An unofficial interpretation has been received from AWS.
Subscribers and suppliers were encouraged to contact AWS with feedback on definition of ‘weld
time’ in order for them to consider and provide a definition in the next revision of AWS D17.2.
22.0
EQUALIFIED UPDATE – OPEN
No update was provided
WELDING TASK GROUP
JUNE 2015
CONFIRMED
23.0
REVIEW OF ACTION ITEMS – OPEN
All action items were reviewed for proper assignment and due date.
24.0
REVIEW OF MEETING EFFECTIVENESS – OPEN
The meeting was considered to be effective in meeting its goals.
25.0
NEXT MEETING – OPEN
As the meeting is preceded by the Auditor Conference and the NMC meeting is on Wednesday
morning, the Task Group wishes to meet Monday to Wednesday. Hence the meeting will be1921-October-2015 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA.
ADJOURNMENT – 25-JUN15 – Meeting was adjourned at 3:15 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Chris English (chris.english@ge.com)
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting?
(select one)
YES* ☒ NO ☐
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision:
Who is responsible:
OP 1114 Appendix WLD
Ian Simpson
Due date:
31-Jul-15 (to ballot)