Los Angeles Division
The Committee on Continuing and Community Education (CCCE)
Minutes of Meeting
January 27, 2006
Present:
Absent:
Staff:
James DeNardo (Chair), Jan De Leeuw, Neal Garrett, Allen Klinger, Barbara
Marks, Michael Marra, David Menninger (Associate Dean), Bruce Rothschild, Ruth
Sabean (Ex-Officio), Robert Schilling, Mladen Vucetic (Graduate Council
Representative)
Gregory Leazer (Undergraduate Council Representative)
Tom Nykiel
1. Introductions and announcements: Chair James DeNardo welcomed Professor Robert
Schilling as a new member. The Committee on University Extension 2004-05 Annual Report was
distributed. Professor DeNardo noted that the annual report is a good briefing memo for new
CCCE members. The search committee for the new Dean of University Extension has been
formed; Professor De Leeuw is a member. The search committee’s first meeting is February 13,
2006. Reportedly, Executive Vice Chancellor Daniel Neuman wants to move forward with the
search for the new Extension Dean and not wait for the arrival of a new Chancellor.
2. Planning session regarding leadership transitions in University Extension and
Murphy Hall:
Professor DeNardo suggested that it might be appropriate and beneficial for CCCE to collect our
thoughts on community education and University Extension in a briefing memo or policy paper.
There might be three themes to the report.
Theme 1: What is the statewide UC picture for community and continuing education? Are
there master plan and policy documents that interfere with the granting of degrees by
Extension? Is a directed study of the constraints for Extension appropriate? What is the role of
UC and the California State University in continuing education? Are professional continuing
education degrees the domain of the California State University system? What are recent
initiatives in continuing education?
Theme 2: What are the economics of continuing education? Is a win-win situation possible by
finding another model for Extension, where they possibly grant degrees and increase the
delivery of education to the community and better serve the public? Is there greater demand
from the community for continuing education?
Theme 3: What is the national scene for continuing education for public, private, and for-profit
universities? Has UC kept up with the leaders in continuing education?
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Professor DeNardo asked members if the briefing paper is a good idea. Professor De Leeuw
asked how one could be against the briefing paper and said it is part of the drive to be taken
seriously. Professor Garrett said that the briefing paper would educate the general faculty
about the issues of continuing education and that is beneficial. The briefing paper would
present the issues and not necessarily the solution. Professor Schilling said the briefing paper is
timely as continuing education may become less peripheral to the academic departments.
Associate Dean Menninger said that a briefing paper coming from the Academic Senate will
have greater impact than if the paper came from the Extension staff. Professor Schilling said
the paper might prioritize issues for the new Dean and convey that CCCE is available to assist
Extension. Professor De Leeuw said the paper might educate the Senate leadership and the
Executive Vice Chancellor.
The Briefing Paper: CCCE will begin by collecting the documents they have compiled or
reviewed over the last several years. This includes our annual reports and the 8-year program
review of Extension. We would want to get materials to the search committee quickly. We
would prepare an executive summary. Professor De Leeuw said that he intends to brief the
Extension Dean search committee. We need to define the issues of priority. Professor De
Leeuw recommended starting with the 8-year review recommendations. For the economics of
continuing education, we can begin with the annual financial reports of Extension. Professor
Vucetic said positive financial results should come as a consequence of high quality. Ruth
Sabean said the University of Washington and Michigan have strong continuing education
programs. At New York University, continuing education is a full division, grants degrees, and
has three times the budget of UCLA. Professor Schilling said that NYU had a reputation as
somewhat of a degree mill. Professor De Leeuw said there is a huge demand for continuing
education. Professor Klinger said the graduation rates for Los Angeles high school students are
deplorable and potentially the brain power of the faculty is available to help them. Professor
Klinger asked what does community education mean in Los Angeles. The Regent’s Committee
on Educational Policy material was distributed, demonstrating some interest by the Regents in
continuing education.
At the UC Office of the President (UCOP), Dean Menninger said that the UC Extension Deans
have been working with Julius Zelmanowitz, Vice Provost for Academic Initiatives, and Julie
Gordon, Director of Intercampus Program Coordination, reporting to Vice Provost Zelmanowitz.
VP Zelmanowitz is retiring. We do not know the plan for succession. VP Zelmanowitz currently
reports to the Acting Provost for Academic Affairs, Rory Hume. Dean Menninger said that the
regulations don’t necessarily prohibit Extension granting degrees; rather the regulations don’t
include Extension to grant degrees. Approvals for degrees would go through the normal
channels of the Undergraduate Council and Graduate Council.
Professor Marra asked how the quality of Extension courses is monitored. Most courses are
approved by the corresponding department. Professor Garrett asked what is the rationale for
courses to go through UC rather than Cal State. Cal State does not have the capability to offer
medical courses. UCLA has a stronger reputation than Cal State. Do UC regulations hamper
part-time education?
Professor DeNardo said that Extension is not integrated with UCLA, but is constrained by UC
regulations, which is the worst of all worlds. Professor De Leeuw said that not fully utilizing
Extension at UCLA is a waste of resources. There has been a large growth of digital education
outside of UCLA and Extension can share their experience in digital education with the rest of
the campus. Extension has been an incubator where courses have been developed in Chicano
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Studies, Women Studies, Writing for Film and Television, short courses for Engineering, Public
Policy, and Environmental Law.
3. Approval of minutes: The minutes of the November 04, 2005 meeting were reviewed and
amendments were made.
Adjournment: The meeting adjourned at approximately 2:40 pm.
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