http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_josephsmithpolyandrypolyga my.html Accessed 3-29-08 No Surplus of Women in Early Utah Official census records and LDS Church authorities dispell popular excuse for polygamy JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY Total Articles: 27 The first Prophet of the LDS Church. Joseph Smith Marrying Teen Girls Records show it was not normal to marry 14 year-old girls in Joseph Smith's time This Topic surrounds Joseph Smith and his belief of Polygamy and Polyandry. Mormon Polygamy not about Widows or Orphans Historian Randy Jordan debunks myth that Mormon polygamy was about helping widows Joseph Smith Polygamy Article Archived: Jun 29, 2005, at 10:00 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Deconstructor 18 Wives Of Joseph Smith Not Listed On The Church's Online Family History Record. Why Not? Article Archived: Aug 6, 2005, at 08:24 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Anonymous Deconstructor's Site http://www.i4m.com/think/intro/ has a great section on Joseph Smith and his polygamous and polyandrous affairs. Today, the LDS Church continues to supress the fact that Joseph Smith had anything to do with Polygamy. In fact, the LDS Church's new site Joseph Smith The Prophet does not contain even one piece pointing at polygamy or polyandry. I reviewed the church’s online genealogy record for Joseph Smith (ref. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Searc...) and the list of Smith's wives on http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/hom... (which includes marriage dates and references). This selection is from Deconstructor's site and all links herein go to his site. The following 18 women are not listed in the church’s record as Smith’s wives: "And if Joseph Smith have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore he is justified for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified." - Doctrine and Covenants 132:62-63 Agnes Coolbrith Almera Johnson Delcena Johnson Eliza Maria Partridge Elizabeth Davis Durfee Elvira Cowles Holmes Emily Dow Partridge Fanny Alger Flora Ann Woodworth Hanna Ells Louisa Beaman Lucinda Morgan Harris Maria Lawrence Marinda Johnson Hyde Olive Frost Patty Bartlett Sessions Ruth Vose Sayers Sarah Kingsley Cleveland Did Joseph Smith Have Sex With His Wives? Official church records show Smith had dozens of wives, but did he have sex with them? Sharing Your Spouse with the Prophet Church leaders and historians explain why Joseph Smith married other men's wives Joseph Smith Letter Justifies Polygamy Official Joseph Smith letter to a nineteen year-old girl provides his justification for polygamy I'm wondering why not. A Heavenly Messenger Answers Joseph Smith's Prayers Why did an angel with a sword repeatedly threaten Joseph Smith's life? Why I Think Joseph Smith Had Sex With His Wives Article Archived: Aug 26, 2005, at 11:31 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Deconstructor William Clayton Diary and Joseph Smith Polygamy A revealing insiders experience with Joseph Smith's secret polygamy LDS Church Polygamy and the Law Why Joseph Smith and others lied about their plural mariages What Mormon Women Really Felt About Polygamy Faithful LDS member and historian documents the female perspective on polygamy There is more evidence Joseph Smith had sex with his wives than exists he saw God and Jesus. 1 Here's why I think Joseph Smith had sex with his wives: 22 Mar 1842, two months after Mary married Joseph Smith (17 Jan 1842). She also went on to have seven more children with Adam Lightner after marrying Joseph Smith. 1. The only two recorded Joseph Smith revelations on polygamy are commandments to have children. Florentine Mattheas Lightner 23 Mar 1844 John Horace Gilbert Lightner 9 Feb 1847 Elizabeth Lightner 3 Apr 1849 Mary Rollins Lightner 9 Apr 1850 Algernon Sidney Lightner 25 Mar 1853 Charles Washington Lightner 17 Mar 1857 Adam Lightner 28 Oct 1861 2. Making babies with polygamous wives is the only reason "The Lord" gives for polygamy. 3. The Book of Mormon says the only reason the Lord would permit polygamy would be to have children. 4. Joseph Smith's own son tried to exonerate his father from the charge of having sex with his plural wives. After speaking to many of them personally, he accepted that most of the relationships were sexual. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Searc... Zina Huntington was also pregnant: 5. Over a dozen faithful LDS women testified that their marriages to Joseph Smith included sex. She would have been about 6-months pregnant with Henry Bailey Jacobs son. 6. Close relatives of Smith's wives testified that he spent the night in the same bed with them. Marriage(s): Spouse: Joseph SMITH (AFN: 9KGL-W2) Family Marriage: 27 Oct 1841 Nauvoo, Hancock, Il 7. Everyone Joseph Smith taught his law of Celestial Marriage to understood it meant having sex, and did so. 1.Sex Name M Zebulon William JACOBS (AFN:234B-S6) Pedigree 8. Other cult leaders (Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc..) claim to receive similar "revelations" to D&C 132 that justify them having sex with multiple women (and eventually teen girls). Born: 2 Jan 1842 Place: Nauvoo, Hancok, Il Died: 22 Sep 1914 Place: Salt Lake City, S-Lk, Ut Buried: Place: Salt Lake City, Cem. S-Lk City, Ut In comparison, the First Vision story has little of the above evidence to support it. So why do Mormons believe the First Vision but refuse to accept the fact that Joseph Smith obeyed The Lord's "commandment" in D&C 132 and had sex with his wives? http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Searc... She also married Brigham Young while still married to Jacobs and eight months pregnant with Henry Chariton Jacobs. Get the facts here: http://www.i4m.com/think/polygamy/ Listen to an ardent Mormon insist publicly that Joseph Smith's polygamy had nothing to do with sexual access to women: Spouse: Brigham YOUNG (AFN: 3ZD8-KC) Family Marriage: 2 Feb 1846 Nauvoo, Hancock, Il http://www.i4m.com/think/van_hale2.ht... 2. Sex Name M Henry Chariton JACOBS (AFN:1875-4N) Pedigree Is his argument credible? Born: 22 Mar 1846 Place: Chariton, Lucas, Iowa, Iowa Died: 14 Oct 1915 Place: Ogden, Weber, Ut Information On Joseph Smith Marrying Pregnant Wive's Of Other Men Article Archived: Oct 19, 2005, at 08:09 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Anonymous If you look up Brigham Young you will find the following. -Morris Whitesides dies one month after Brigham Young marries his wife Margaret Pierce. -Diana Severance Chase marries William Montgomery Shaw while still married to Brigham Young. -Brigham Young marries Harriet Emeline Barney while she is still married to William Henry Harrison Sagers. I post this for any that may be visiting because of reading about Joseph Smith's plural marriages in Newsweek. -Mary Jane Bigelow is married to four other men while still married to Brigham Young. You will notice that Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner was still married to Adam Lightner (married 11 Aug 1835) when she married Joseph Smith (17 Jan 1842). -Brigham Young marries Ann Eliza Webb while she is still married to James Leech Dee. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Searc... -Brigham Young marries Lydia Farnsworth while she is still married to Elijah Mayhew. Mary Lightner was also seven months pregnant with Adam’s child when she married Joseph Smith. George Algernon Lightner was born 2 -Mary Ann Turley marries John James Cook while still married to Brigham Young. husband and [participated in] a pretended marriage for the purpose of . . . Bringing about the purposes of God in these last days . . ." - Elder Joseph Kingsbury, "History of Joseph Kingsbury Written by His Own Hand," page 5, Utah State Historical Society -Elizabeth Fairchild marries at least two other men while married to Brigham Young. If Not Sex, What Was Joseph Smith Doing? -Eliza Babcock marries Brigham Young while still married to Dominicus Carter. Most of Smith's plural wives boarded with other families, whom he visited periodically. His secretary, William Clayton, recorded one such visit to young Almera Johnson on May 16, 1843: "Prest. Joseph and I went to B[enjamin] F. Johnsons to sleep." Johnson himself later noted that on this visit Smith stayed with Almera "as man and wife" and "occupied the same room and bed with my sister, that the previous month he had occupied with the daughter of the late Bishop Partridge as his wife." Almera Johnson also confirmed her secret marriage to Joseph Smith: "I lived with the prophet Joseph as his wife and he visited me at the home of my brother Benjamin F." http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Searc... Joseph Smith Also Used Other Methods To Cover Polygamy Pregnancies Article Archived: Dec 12, 2005, at 07:52 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Deconstructor While in hiding, Joseph Smith wrote a revealing letter which he addressed to her parents, Newel and Elizabeth Whitney, inviting them to bring their daughter to visit him "just back of Brother Hyrums farm." He advised Brother Whitney to "come a little a head and knock at the south East corner of the house at the window." He assured them, especially Sarah Ann, that "it is the will of God that you should comfort me now." He stressed the need for care "to find out when Emma comes," but "when she is not here, there is the most perfect saftey." The prophet warned them to "burn this letter as soon as you read it" and "keep all locked up in your breasts." In closing he admonished, "I think Emma won't come to night if she dont, dont fail to come tonight." - http://www.xmission.com/%7Eresearch/family/strange.htm In addition to marrying already-pregnant women, there is some evidence that abortion was practiced in Nauvoo... LDS Elder Ebenezer Robinson testified that Hyrum Smith "instructed me in Nov or Dec 1843 to make a selection of some young woman and he would seal her to me, and I should take her home," he recalled, "and if she should have an offspring give out word that she had a husband, an Elder, who had gone on a foreign mission." Possibly referring to a secluded birthplace, or conceivably to abortion, Robinson spoke of "a place appointed in Iowa, 12 or 18 miles from Nauvoo to send female victims to his polygamous births." - Ebenezer Robinson to Jason W. Briggs, Jan. 28, 1880, LDS archives. On December 29, 1873, Ebenezer and Angeline Robinson signed an affidavit saying that Hyrum Smith had come to their house in the fall of 1843 to teach them the doctrine of polygamy. Joseph Smith Promised to Cover for Polgamy Pregnancies Joseph Smith taught the "Law of Celestial Marriage" to his close friend and secretary, William Clayton. When the pregnancy of William Clayton's first plural wife threatened to expose them, the prophet Joseph Smith advised Clayton to "just keep her at home and brook it and if they raise trouble about it and bring you before me I will give you an awful scourging and probably cut you off from the church and then I will baptize you and set you ahead as good as ever." - William Clayton journal, Oct. 19, 1843. Hyrum Smith also documented Nauvoo abortions, and interestingly enough, blamed it on a doctor and close associate of Joseph Smith. Hyrum testified that Dr. Bennett was propositioning women in a similar fashion to Joseph Smith. "[Dr. Bennett] endeavored to seduce them, and accomplished his designs by saying it was right; that it was one of the mysteries of God, which was to be revealed when the people was strong enough in faith to bear such mysteries—that it was perfectly right to have illicit intercourse with females, providing no one knew it but themselves, vehemently trying them from day to day, to yield to his passions, bringing witnesses of his own clan to testify that there were such revelations and such commandments, and that they were of God; also stating that he would be responsible for their sins, if there were any, and that he would give them medicine to produce abortions, provided they should become pregnant." - Affidavit of Hyrum Smith. Official History of the Church, Vol. 5, p.71 Read more here: http://www.i4m.com/think/joseph-smith-polygamy.htm Links To The Church's Online Geneaology Records For Joseph Smith Showing His Plural Wives, Including 14-Year Old Helen Mar Kimball. Why Is Fannie Alger Listed In The 2nd Record, But Not The 1st? Article Archived: Dec 14, 2005, at 11:05 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: FreeAtLast Pretend Marriages in Case of Pregnancy According to church historian Andrew Jenson, Sarah Ann Whitney became the seventh plural wife of Joseph Smith, and the story of his marriage to her illustrates another strategy. She disguised her relationship to the prophet by pretending to marry Joseph Corodon Kingsbury on April 29, 1843. In his autobiography Kingsbury wrote: "I according to Pres. Joseph Smith & Council & others agreed to stand by Sarah Ann Whitney as though I was supposed to be her I confronted my TBM mother in October with the fact that JS married a 14-year old when he was 37 (as the record via the first link shows). She responded by saying that I should not limit myself to only "antiMormon" sources of info. I replied that I didn't think that the church's 3 online family history record for Smith was "anti-Mormon". Not surprisingly, she did not ask me to send her the link. That's exactly the offer the Prophet Joseph Smith gave to fourteen year-old Helen Mar Kimball. The second link is interesting because it shows Fannie Alger as Smith's first plural wife (you have to scroll down the record to find the data about his marriage to Emma), but the first record doesn't. Most Mormons are clueless about who Fannie was or how Smith came to know her ("know" in the Biblical sense - nudge, nudge, wink, wink, ya know, ya know). Helen wrote: "Having a great desire to be connected with the Prophet, Joseph, he (my father) offered me to him; this I afterwards learned from the Prophet's own mouth." "My father had but one Ewe Lamb, but willingly laid her upon the altar: how cruel this seemed to my mother whose heartstrings were already stretched unil they were ready to snap asunder, for she had already taken Sarah Noon to wife and she thought she had made sufficient sacrifice but the Lord required more." - Helen Mar Whitney Journal, Helen Mar Autobiography, Womans Exponent, 1880 and recently reprinted in A Woman's view . http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Searc... Note the following: Mary Elizabeth Rollins married Adam Lightner on 11 Aug 1835. Their son, George Algernon Lightner was born on 22 Mar 1842. Adam Lightner died on 30 Aug 1885. Joseph Smith married Mary Elizabeth Rollins on 17 Jan 1842, when she was about seven months pregnant (was Adam Lightner the father, or Joseph Smith?). In fact, Joseph Smith gave Helen only 24 hours to decide on whether or not to marry him. Of this, Helen wrote: "[my father] left me to reflect upon it for the next twenty four hours. ... I was sceptical - one minute believed, then doubted. I thought of the love and tenderness that he felt for his only daughter, and I knew that he would not cast me off, and this was the only convincing proof That I had of its being right." The next morning, Joseph Smith finally appeared himself to explain the "law of Celestial Marriage" and claim his teen bride. In her memoir, Helen wrote, "After which he said to me, 'if you take this step, it will ensure your eternal salvation and exaltation and that of your father's household and all of your kindred.' This promise was so great that I willingly gave myself to purchase so glorious a reward." Zina Diantha Huntington married Henry Bailey Jacobs on 7 Mar 1841. Henry Bailey Jacobs died on 1 Aug 1886. Joseph Smith married Zina Diantha Huntington on 27 Oct 1841, about seven and a half months after she married Henry. Prescendia Lathrop Huntington married Norman Buell on 6 Jan 1828. There is no online record of Norman Buell’s death. Joseph Smith married Prescendia Lathrop Huntington on 11 Dec 1841. Joseph Smith married Helen Mar Kimball in May 1843. He was 37 and she was 14. Helen also writes about her mother's reaction to all of this: "None but God and his angels could see my mother's bleeding heart when Joseph asked her if she was willing, she replied 'If Helen is willing I have nothing more to say." http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Searc... BTW, I've taken and saved digital screenshots of these records, so even if the church decides to get rid of them because they rock the faith of too many members (particularly LDS women), it won't much difference. You might want to do the same for your records. "She had witnessed the sufferings of others, who were older and who better understood the step they were taking, and to see her child, who had yet seen her fifteenth summer, following the same thorny path, in her mind she saw the misery which was as sure to come as the sun was to rise and set; but it was hidden from me." Helen thought her marriage to Joseph Smith was only dynastic. But to her surprise, it was more. Helen confided to a close friend in Nauvoo: "I would never have been sealed to Joseph had I known it was anything more than ceremony. I was young, and they deceived me, by saying the salvation of our whole family depended on it." ("Mormon Polygamy: A History by LDS member Richard S. Van Wagoner, p. 53.) Sex For Salvation - One Of Joseph Smith's Greatest Gospel Doctrines Article Archived: Dec 23, 2005, at 11:48 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Deconstructor What would Mormons do today if the Church still practiced this doctrine? What if a Bishop or Stake President could extend salvation to an entire family by taking one of their teen daughters? Of all the gospel doctines Joseph Smith established, none received this much attention from God. For God sent an angel to Joseph Smith over a dozen times to make sure he taught and practiced it. Why can't Mormons today recognize the moral depravity in Joseph Smith's actions towards his followers? This doctrine had the most saving power over any ordinance, because it guaranteed the salvation of an entire family for only one person's obedience to it. Did angels really force Joseph Smith into behaving like this? See: http://www.i4m.com/think/history/angel_sword.htm That's right - Joseph Smith taught that only one person in a family needed to obey this doctrine in order to save their entire family. But if they rejected the doctrine, then their whole family would be damned. 4 Would You Give Your Sister To The Prophet? This Man Gave Two Sisters To Joseph Smith! Article Archived: Dec 27, 2005, at 07:53 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Deconstructor Both of these promises were more than fulfilled. The text of his sermon was our use of the "one, five and ten talents," and as God had now commanded plural marriage, and was exaltation and dominion of the saints depended upon the number of their righteous posterity, from him who was then but with one talent, it would be taken and given him that had ten, which item of doctrine seems now to be somewhat differently constructed. But my thought and wish is to write of things just as they occurred, and I now bear an earnest testimony that his other prediction was more than fulfilled, for when with great hesitation and stammering I called my sister to a private audience, and stood before her shaking with fear, just so soon as I found power to open my mouth, it was filled, for the light of the Lord shone upon my understanding, and the subject that had seemed so dark now appeared of all subjects pertaining to our gospel the most lucid and plain; and so both my sister and myself were converted together, and never again did I need evidence or argument to sustain that high and holy principle. TBM's shouldn't shy away from a bona-fide testimony of Joseph Smith as a Prophet of God. Here's a faithful testimony of a man who was so convinced Joseph Smith was a prophet, that he helped Joseph Smith take two of his sisters as secret brides. BENJAMIN F. JOHNSON was a faithful Latter-Day Saint until the day he died. He had been a close friend and private secretary and body guard to Joseph Smith. He was also one of the original pioneers who entered the Salt Lake Valley on July 24, 1847 with Brigham Young. He later served as a church patriarch. And within a few days of this period my sister [Almera] accompanied me to Nauvoo, where at our sister Delcena's, we soon met the Prophet with his brother Hyrum and Wm. Clayton, as his private secretary, who always accompanied him. In a testimony, he wrote: Brother Hyrum at once took me in hand, apparently in fear I was not fully converted, and this was the manner of his talk to me: "Now Benjamin, you must not be afraid of this new doctrine, for it is all right. You know Brother Hyrum don't get carried away by worldly things, and he fought this principle until the Lord showed him it was true. I know that Joseph was commanded to take more wives, and he waited until an angel with a drawn sword stood before him and declared that if he longer delayed fulfilling that command he would slay him." This was the manner of Brother Hyrum's teaching to me, which I then did not need, as I was fully converted. The Prophet, in early spring of 1843, had come to Ramus to teach me plural marriage, and to ask my other sisters to be his wives, an account of which I have heretofore given by sworn statement but will here repeat as it occurred. It was Sunday morning, April 3rd or 4th, 1843, that the Prophet was at my home in Ramus, and after breakfast he proposed a stroll together, and taking his arm, our walk led toward a swail, surrounded by trees and tall brush and near the forest line not far from my house. Through the swail ran a small spring brook, across which a tree was fallen and was clean of its bark. On this we sat down and the Prophet proceeded at once to open to me the subject of plural and eternal marriage and he said that years ago in Kirtland the Lord had revealed to him the ancient order of plural marriage, and the necessity for its practice, and did command him then to take another wife, and that among his first thoughts was to come to my mother for some of her daughters. And as he was again required of the Lord to take more wives, he had come now to ask me for my sister Almera. Meanwhile, the Prophet, with Louisa Beeman and my sister Delcena, had it agreeable arranged with Sister Almera, and after a little instruction she stood by the Prophet's side and was sealed to him as a wife, by Brother Clayton; after which the Prophet asked me to take my sister to occupy number "10" in his Mansion home during her stay in the city. But as I could not long be absent from my home and business, we soon returned to Ramus, where on the 15th of May, some three weeks later, the Prophet again came and at my house occupied the same room and bed with my sister, that the month previous he had occupied with the daughter of the late Bishop Partridge, as his wife. His words astonished me and almost took my breath. I sat for a time amazed and finally, almost ready to burst with emotion, I looked him straight in the face and said: "Brother Joseph, this is something I did not expect, and I do not understand it. You know whether it is right, I do not. I want to do just as you tell me, and I will try, but if I ever should know that you do this to dishonor and debauch my sister, I will kill you as sure as the Lord lives." And at this time [when I was 26 years-old] Joseph Smith sealed to me my first wife for eternity, and gave to me my first plural wife, [17 year-old] Mary Ann Hale, an orphan girl raised by my mother then living with us, who is still with me, and is probably the only wife still living with the man to whom she was given by the Prophet. And while his eyes did not move from mine, he said with a smile, in a soft tone: "But Benjamin you will never know that, but you will know the principle in time, and will greatly rejoice in what it will bring to you." At the marriage of Sister Almera to the Prophet, there was still our youngest sister, for whom he manifest partiality, and would gladly have married, also, but she being young and partially promised to my first wife's brother, although reluctantly, the matter by him was dropped. "But how," I asked, "Can I teach my sister what I myself do not understand, or show her what I do not myself see?" "But you will see and understand it," he said, "And when you open your mouth to talk to your sister, light will come to you and your mouth will be full and your tongue loose, and I will today preach a sermon to you that none but you will understand." On learning from the Prophet that even in Kirtland "the Lord had required him to take plural wives, and that he had then thought to ask for some of my sisters" the past with its conditions and influences began more fully to unfold to my mind, the causes that must, at least in part, have led to the great apostasy and disruption in Kirtland. 5 Without a doubt in my mind, [16 year-old] Fanny Alger was, at Kirtland, the Prophet's first plural wife, in which, by right of his calling, he was justified of the Lord (see D&C 132:59-60); while Oliver Cowdery, J. Carter, W. Parish, or others were not justified of the Lord either in their criticisms upon the doings of the Prophet, or in their becoming a "law unto themselves," through which they lost the light of their calling and were left in darkness. ". . . [S]yphilis . . . [is] on the increase . . . [where] . . . environmental factors contribut[ing] to [its] . . . . transmission . . . includ[e] polygamy . . ." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/qu... _____ Fanny A., when asked by her brother and others, even after the Prophet's death, regarding her relations to him, replied: "That is all a matter of our own, and I have nothing to communicate." Her parents died in Utah, true to the church. And to my knowledge, was by President Kimball in the temple at St. George introduced as "Brother of the Prophet Joseph's first plural wife." Joseph Smith: A Deadly Disease Waiting to Happen? As a matter of record, Mormonism's out-of-control "prophet"/polygamist Joseph Smith had at least 33 wives (in the flesh, so to speak) and engaged in sex with many of them: The marriage of my eldest sister [Delcena] to the Prophet was before my return to Nauvoo, and it being tacitly admitted, I asked no questions. - Elder Benjamin F. Johnson Letter to George S. Gibbs, 1903 "Faithful LDS member and historian Todd Compton has found solid documentation for Smith marriages to 33 women while he was alive. ... "Compton writes: Doesn't this member's faithfulness to the Prophet deserve honor by members today? "'In the group of Smith's well-documented wives, eleven (33 percent) were 14 to 20 years old when they married him. Nine wives (27 percent) were twenty-one to thirty years old. Eight wives (24 percent) were in Smith's own peer group, ages thirty-one to forty. In the group aged forty-one to fifty, there is a substantial drop off: two wives, or 6 percent, and three (9 percent) in the group aged fifty-one to sixty.' What Might Joseph Smith Have Eventually Succumbed To, If Not Bullets? Article Archived: Jan 16, 2006, at 04:12 PM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Steve Benson "'The teenage representation is the largest, though the twenty-year and thirty-year groups are comparable, which contradicts the Mormon folk-wisdom that sees the beginnings of polygamy was an attempt to care for older, unattached women. "'These data suggest that sexual attraction was an important part of the motivation for Smith's polygamy. In fact, the command to multiply and replenish the earth was part of the polygamy theology, so non-sexual marriage was generally not in the polygamous program, as Smith taught it.' . . . Postulating on Joseph Smith's Adulterating If Mormon charlatan and skirt-chasin' "prophet" Joseph Smith hadn't been shot out of a jail cell window at the tender age of 39 while being held for ordering the destruction a newspaper printshop in a vain and criminal effort to cover his cheatin'-heart tracks, what are the chances that a deadly attack of syphilis might have eventually done him in? _____ "Compton [continues]: Scientific Evidence That Polygamy is a Prime Spreader of Syphilis "'. . . Utah Mormons (including Joseph's wives) affirmed repeatedly that Joseph had physical sexual relations with his plural wivesdespite the Victorian conventions in nineteenth-century American religion which otherwise would have prevented mention of sexual relations in marriage.' While there is no evidence that at that time of his death Smith was infected with syphilis, it is an historically-documented fact that he was a notoriously lecherous polygamist--and thus a looming target for infection. "- Faithful Mormon Melissa Lott (Smith Willes) testified that she had been Joseph's wife 'in very deed' (affidavit of Melissa Willes, 3 August 1893, Temple Lot case, pp. 98, 105; Foster, Religion and Sexuality, p. 156). It is also a documented fact that polygamy is often a leading cause of syphilis in societies where it is widely practiced. "- In a court affidavit, faithful Mormon Joseph Noble wrote that Joseph told him he had spent the night with Louisa Beaman (Temple Lot Case, p. 427). Recent scientific case studies of communities from Africa to the tropics in which polgyamy is culturally accepted and encouraged indicate that it can be a clear contributor to the onslaught of this dreaded sexually-transmitted disease: "- Emily D. Partridge (Smith Young) said she "roomed" with Joseph the night following her marriage to him and said that she had 'carnal intercourse' with him. (Temple Lot case [complete transcript], pp. 364, 367, 384; see Foster, Religion and Sexuality, p. 15). ". . . [P]olygamy . . . [is a ] factor aiding the spread of . . . diseases [such as syphilis] . . . " "In total, 13 faithful Latter-day Saint women who were married to Joseph Smith swore court affidavits that they had sexual relations with him. http://sti.bmjjournals.com/cgi/conten... _____ 6 "- Joseph Smith's personal secretary records that on May 22, 1843, Smith's first wife Emma found Joseph and Eliza Partridge secluded in an upstairs bedroom at the Smith home. Emma was devastated (William Clayton's journal entry for 23 May [1843]; see Smith, pp. 105-106). NOW. Read these verses from Section 132 of Doctrine and Covenants to see how Smith used the verbage to justify having sex with other men's wives (also used to stifle the guilt of the preyed upon women, no doubt... shhh it is okay to have sex with me even though you are married! God says so right... here...): 41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, [Noggin explains: that is if a man marries a woman but she is married already to another man]and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed. 42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has committed adultery. As I have explained before, the use of the word "NOT" is the key. Careful observation reveals that "god" has another set of parameters whereby marrying another man's wife is not going to be considered adulterey for that woman. The condition that Smith has god set forth is the "Holy Annointing". The Holy Annointing could be the secret quorum of the 50 that Joseph instigated or could be just the endowment which, back then, was only presented to men and women who wanted to enter into a top secret polygamous marriage. Only the elite were allowed at first. "- Smith's secretary William Clayton also recorded a visit to young Almera Johnson on May 16, 1843: 'Prest. Joseph and I went to B[enjamin] F. Johnsons to sleep.' Johnson himself later noted that on this visit Smith stayed with Almera 'as man and wife' and 'occupied the same room and bed with my sister, that the previous month he had occupied with the daughter of the late Bishop Partridge as his wife.' "Almera Johnson also confirmed her secret marriage to Joseph Smith: 'I lived with the prophet Joseph as his wife and he visited me at the home of my brother Benjamin F.' (Zimmerman, I Knew the Prophets, p. 44; see also The Origin of Plural Marriage, Joseph F. Smith, Jr., Deseret News Press, pp. 70-71) "- Faithful Mormon and Stake President Angus Cannon told Joseph Smith's son: 'Brother Heber C. Kimball, I am informed, asked [Eliza R. Snow] the question if she was not a virgin although married to Joseph Smith and afterwards to Brigham Young, when she replied in a private gathering, "I thought you knew Joseph Smith better than that"' (Stake President Angus M. Cannon, statement of interview with Joseph III, p. 23, LDS archives). The endowment was ONLY to be given for the express purpose of binding the couple up into secrecy that they would never divulge the secret of plural wifery they were entering into. Summary http://www.i4m.com/think/history/joseph_smith_sex.htm _____ Verse 42 also says that "NOT" word again. Do you see that if this same woman IS in the New and Everlasting covenant (plural marriage) and IS simultaneously with another man she will not be committing adulterey??? Playing the Odds on Joseph Smith: Modern-day LDS Prophet--or Future-day STD Promoter? These two verses are nothing more that Smith pupeteering and ventriloquisting Jesus Christ! Manipulating the women of his day to believe that sex outside of monogamy was perfectly fine. Men can have sex with many women... and here in the fine print women can have sex with more than one man! Supposing Latter-day Saint bed-hoppin,' women-boppin' Joseph Smith had somehow managed to dodge those Carthage bullets and lived to philander another day, what are the chances he might have eventually fallen prey to the insidious sexually-transmitted disease of syphilis, thanks to his predatory, promiscuous, polygamous practices? Just plain old repulsive. Tums, mylanta... no, a barf bag is needed to stomach it all. Talk about spreadin' the Mormon gospel. Apologists: "Yay! Polygamy (and by inference, polyandry)is such a holy institution! I cannot wait for God to re reveal it so that we can have the true fullness of the gospel here on earth again!" To Those Who Wonder If Joseph Had Sex With Other Men's Wives Article Archived: Feb 10, 2006, at 10:22 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Noggin What are they thinking? wretching noises The Role Of Women In Momonism Article Archived: Feb 14, 2006, at 07:43 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: mrwright I see FAIR has belched up the excuses that maintain that though Smith married many women, some of whom were already married, he never had sex with them. Seems the drones are asking the pesky type questions again over there... The apologetic response is nothing more than a large club to knock senseless those who dared to ask. Brigham Young, Heber C Kimball and others were taught the polygamy concept by Joseph Smith. All who were taught the plural wifery system of marriage had sex with their wives. This is not debated any more. Joseph Smith, through "god" in revelations, sanctioned sexual relations in polygamy. In May 1843, Joseph Smith took his twenty-sixth bride, a fourteenyear-old girl named Helen Mar Kimball. At the time, Smith was thirty-seven and had been married for sixteen years to Emma (since January 1827). Unbeknownst to Emma, Smith had been busily 7 wedding and bedding twenty-four other women, illegally, since 1833. Apparently, Heber and Vilate Kimball, Helen's parents, were fully aware that Emma had no idea that he had begun this practice of polygamy. My incredulity of how parents could be as gullible, callous and irresponsible as to agree to the marriage of a girl of Helen's age to anyone, especially a man Joseph's age led me to do a bit of research. Apostles, and all the authorities unite and say with one voice that they will oppose the doctrine, and the whole of them will be damned." - Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 203 Well, deny Mormonism I do. Ditto polygamy. I could never believe in a god that would tell me my cherished daughter, DD, had no greater purpose in life than to meet the sexual and reproductive needs of a man. The following is an excerpt from Helen Mar Kimball's 1881 autobiography. Just previous to my father's starting up his last mission but one to the Eastern States, he taught me the principle of Celestial marriage, and having a great desire to be connected with the Prophet Joseph, he offered me to him; this I afterwards learned from the Prophet's own mouth. My father had but one lamb, but willingly laid her upon the alter: how cruel this seemed to the mother whose heartstrings were already stretched until they were ready to snap asunder for he had taken Sarah Noon to wife and she thought she had made sufficient sacrifice but the Lord required more. I will pass over the temptations which I had during the twenty four hours after my father introduced to me the principle and asked me if I would be sealed to Joseph who came next morning and with my parents I heard him teach and explain the principle of Celestial marriage - after which he said to me , "If you will take this step, it will ensure your eternal salvation and exaltation and that . . . of your fathers householdand all of your kindred." I willingly gave myself to purchase so glorious a reward. None but God and angels could see my mother's bleeding heart, when Joseph asked her if she was willing, she replied, "If Helen is willing, I have nothing more to say." She had witnessed the sufferings of others, who were older and who better understood the step they were taking, and to see her child, who had scarcely seen her fifteenth summer, following in the same thorny path, in her mind she saw the misery which was so sure to come as the sun was to rise and set; but it was all hidden from me. - Mormon Enigma-Emma Hale Smith, Newell & Avery, p. 146 Smith's assurance that Helen was purchasing her family's eternal salvation is a perfect example of the type of manipulation used by pedophiles. Only this was done in her parents' presence, which makes what I can only call the seduction of Helen Kimball all the more egregious. The fact that Helen acknowledges her mother's pain at "seeing her child, who had scarcely seen her fifteenth summer" be married off, seems to indicate that marriages at this age were not common or looked upon favorably. First, let me nip an anticipated argument in the bud. It was not "normal" or common for girls and boys of 14 or 15 to marry during that era. It was, I believe, legal . . . but it was not the custom. Generally speaking, men and women were in their twenties when they married. It would have been especially uncommon for a man nearing forty to take a teenaged bride. My research led me to some not unexpected findings about the Kimballs. Vilate was apparently completely taken in by Smith and had already allowed her husband to take at least one plural wife at the time she consented to Helen's marriage. I understand the plight of women was different in the 1800s but I find it difficult to respect a mother who would allow her young daughter to be treated as a harem girl. I strongly suspect Vilate's life was one of misery and regret so I'll try to reserve judgment since I'm sure she suffered for her mistakes. Although whether she ever recognized her decisions as mistakes, I do not know. When I read about Heber Kimball, everything began to make sense. If he were alive today, we would consider him an emotionally abusive husband and father, not to mention a quintessential male chauvinist pig. Yet, he was made an Apostle of the LDS church. Since I cannot believe this was a divine calling, I must assume it resulted from his complicity with Joseph Smith. Following are a few facts about Mr. Kimball and a few quotes that explain everything. "I think no more of taking another wife than I do of buying a cow." Apostle Heber C. Kimball, The Twenty Seventh Wife, Irving Wallace, p. 101. After the church apostle took his last wife at age fifty-six, he begot seventeen children by her and four other wives. Speaking to a group of departing missionaries, Apostle Kimball instructed... "Brethren, I want you to understand that it is not to be as it has been heretofore. The brother missionaries have been in the habit of picking out the prettiest women for themselves before they get here, and bringing on the ugly ones for us; hereafter you have to bring them all here before taking any of them, and let us all have a fair shake." Apostle Heber C. Kimball, The Lion of the Lord, ffice:smarttags" />New York, 1969, pp.129-30. and again... "I say to those who are elected to go on missions, remember they are not your sheep: they belong to Him that sends you. Then do not make a choice of any of those sheep; do not make selections before they are brought home and put into the fold. You under stand that. Amen" Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.256. Also... "I have noticed that a man who has but one wife, and is inclined to that doctrine, soon begins to wither and dry up, while a man who goes into plurality [of wives] looks fresh, young, and sprightly." Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses Vol 5, page 22 From the pulpit in General Conference, church members were warned: "Some quietly listen to those who speak against the plurality of wives, and against almost every principle that God has revealed. Such persons have half-a-dozen devils with them all the time. You might as well deny 'Mormonism,' and turn away from it, as to oppose the plurality of wives. Let the Presidency of this Church, and the Twelve I simply cannot fathom doing to DD what Helen's parents did to her. Didn't something in their heads scream, "This is NOT of God!" I can only say that this is what I believe comes from blind obedience and blind faith. But by allowing DD to be raised in the Mormon church, even part time, am I as guilty as the Kimballs? Am I teaching my daughter that her ultimate goal is to live a life of "righteous obedience" to her church and her husband so that she may be led by her husband to Celestial glory? And there, in the Celestial Kingdom, her role will be to serve her husband alongside his plethora of eternal wives? What is my guilt? What is my shame? What will be my judgment? And more than I fear any judgment that may come from God, I already grieve about the judgment that may someday come from this precious daughter that God has blessed me with. Someday, I hope and pray, she will come to the same conclusions I have about the LDS church. When she does, will she look at me and ask, just as Helen Mar Kimball may have asked her parents, "How could you?" Joseph Smith – Rotation Is The Name Of The Game Article Archived: Sep 11, 2006, at 07:33 AM 8 Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Grey Matter There is no documentation to support the idea that marriage at fourteen was "approaching eligibility." Actually, marriages even two years later, at the age of sixteen, occurred occasionally but infrequently in Helen Mar's culture. Thus, girls marrying at fourteen, even fifteen, were very much out of the ordinary. Sixteen was comparatively rare, but not unheard of. American women began to marry in their late teens; around different parts of the United States the average age of marriage varied from nineteen to twenty-three. Finally, Johnson, “almost ready to burst with emotion,” looked his friend in the eye and said, “Brother Joseph This is Something I did not Expect & do not understand it – You know whether it is Right. I do not. I want to do just as you tell me and I will try. But if I ever Should know that you do this to Dishonor & debauch my Sister I will kill you as Shure as the Lord lives.” In the United States the average age of menarche (first menstruation) dropped from 16.5 in 1840 to 12.9 in 1950. More recent figures indicate that it now occurs on average at 12.8 years of age. The mean age of first marriages in colonial America was between 19.8 years to 23.7, most women were married during the age period of peak fecundity (fertility). Johnson explained why he granted Joseph’s request. “I know that Joseph was Command to take more wives and he waited until an angel with a Drawn Sword Stood before him and declared that if he no longer delayed fulfilling that Command he would Slay him.” Mean pubertal age has declined by some 3.7 years from the 1840’s. The psychological sexual maturity of Helen Mar Kimball in today’s average age of menarche (first menstruation) would put her psychological age of sexual maturity at the time of the marriage of Joseph Smith at 9.1 years old. (16.5 years-12.8 years =3.7 years) (12.8 years-3.7 years=9.1 years) Joseph married Almira Johnson in the late summer. Johnson recorded that “the prophet Came and at my house occupied the Same Room & bed with my Sister [Almira] that the month previous he had occupied with the Daughter of the Late Bishop Partridge as his wife.” Source: p. 146, Mormon Enigma, Second Edition The fact is Helen Mar Kimball's sexual development was still far from complete. Her psychological sexual maturity was not competent for procreation. The coming of puberty is regarded as the termination of childhood; in fact the term child is usually defined as the human being from the time of birth to the on-coming of puberty. Puberty the point of time at which the sexual development is completed. In young women, from the date of the first menstruation to the time at which she has become fitted for marriage, the average lapse of time is assumed by researchers to be two years. The pure and holy order of marriage? Yes, of course it is. Was It Normal To Marry 14 Year-Old Girls In Joseph Smith's Time? Article Archived: Oct 9, 2006, at 06:35 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Deconstructor Age of eligibility for women in Joseph Smith’s time-frame would start at a minimum of 19 ½ years old. This would suggest that Joseph Smith had sexual relations and married several women before the age of eligibility, and some very close to the age of eligibility including: Fanny Alger 16 Sarah Ann Whitney 17 Lucy Walker 17 Flora Ann Woodworth 16 Emily Dow Partridge 19 Sarah Lawrence 17 Maria Lawrence 19 Helen Mar Kimball 14 Melissa Lott 19 Nancy M. Winchester [14?] "And I will bless Joseph Smith and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds." "And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified." "But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused [to Joseph Smith], shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto Joseph Smith to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified." - Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:55, 62-63 Many LDS Church leaders and historians suggest that sexual relations and the marriage of Joseph Smith and his youngest wife, Helen Mar Kimball, fourteen at the time, was "approaching eligibility." And then we have these testimonies: "Joseph was very free in his talk about his women. He told me one day of a certain girl and remarked, that she had given him more pleasure than any girl he had ever enjoyed. I told him it was horrible to talk like this." - Joseph Smith's close confidant and LDS Church First Councilor, William Law, Interview in Salt Lake Tribune, July 31, 1887 When Heber C. Kimball asked Sister Eliza R. Snow the question if she was not a virgin although married to Joseph Smith, she replied, "I thought you knew Joseph Smith better than that." - Stake President Angus M. Cannon, statement of interview with Joseph III, 23, LDS archives. Short Bios of Smith's wives: http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org 9 Dr. Dorothy V. Whipple, Dynamics of Development: Euthenic Pediatrics (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1966) Did Smith have sex with his wives?: http://www.i4m.com/think/history/jose... http://www.i4m.com/think/index.html Whatever the average age of menarche might have been in the mid 19th-century, the average age of marriage was around 20 for women and 22 for men. And a gap of 15 to 20 years or more between partners was very unusual, not typical. Whatever biology might have to say, according to the morals of his time, several of Joseph Smith's wives were still inappropriately young for him. Take My Joseph Smith Quiz For TBMs Who Ask Me Why I Don't Believe Article Archived: Oct 30, 2006, at 06:42 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: BtGR It is a pure myth that 19th-century American girls married at age 1214. For example, Laura Ingalls Wilder, from Little House on the Prairie fame, was born in 1867, which puts her later than Joseph Smith but still in the 1800s. She tells of hearing of the marriage of a 13-year-old girl, and being shocked. She also notes that the girl's mother 'takes in laundry,' and is sloppy and unkempt--implying that "nice" people don't marry off their teenaged daughters. Laura, herself, became engaged at 17--but her parents asked her to wait until she was 18 to marry. You say “I know Joseph Smith Jr. was a prophet of God” as testimony to the truthfulness of Mormonism. Take the following quiz to find out how much you really know about him. Joseph Smith Jr. 1. How many women did Joseph Smith marry while he was alive besides Emma? A: thirty-two. You merely need to go to your local courthouse and ask to see the old 19th century marriage books. Take a look at and pay attention to the age at marriage. Sure a very few did, but it was far from the norm. The vast majority of women married after the age of twenty. 2. How many of these women were older than him? A: five 3. How many of these women were in his peer group of 30-40 years of age? A: eight In fact, look up the marriage ages in the Smith family before polygamy. You'll find that one of the Smith girls was 19. The rest of them, and their sisters-in-law, were in their early 20s when they married. The Smith boys' first wives were in their 20s. The same pattern was true for the various branches of my family and the rest of American society at the time. 4. How many of these women were 21-29 years of age when he married them? A: nine 5. How many were less than 20 years of age when he married them? A: eleven On the extremely rare occasions women younger than 17 married, it was to men close to their same age, not 15 to 20 years older. 6. How many were already married to other men when he married them? A: five The case is even true in pioneer Utah among first marriages. Mormon men in their twenties started out marrying someone their own age. Then later these older men married girls under twenty to be their plural wives. But the first wives were the age of the husband and married over the age of twenty. This is still the case is the rural Utah polygamist communities. 7. How many of these women filed affidavits stating their marriage to Joseph Smith included sexual intercourse? A: thirteen References: 10. Her birthday? A: August 28th, 1828 Coale and Zelnik assume a mean age of marriage for white women of 20 (1963: 37). Sanderson's assumptions are consistent with a mean of 19.8 years (Sanderson 1979: 343). The Massachusetts family reconstitutions revealed somewhat higher mean ages. For Hingham, Smith reports an age at first marriage of 23.7 at the end of the eighteenth century (1972: Table 3, p. 177). For Sturbridge, the age for a comparable group was 22.46 years (Osterud and Fulton 1976: Table 2, p. 484), and in Franklin County it was 23.3 years (TemkinGreener, H., and A.C. Swedlund. 1978. Fertility Transition in the Connecticut Valley:1740-1850. Population Studies 32 (March 1978):27-41.: Table 6, p. 34). 11. The date of her marriage to him? A: May 1843 8. How old was the youngest girl that he married? A: fourteen 9. What was her name? A: Helen Mar Kimball 12. His age on that date? A: thirty-eight 13. Would you let your fourteen year old daughter marry a thirtyeight year old man? 14. What kind of thirty-eight year old man would want to marry a 14 year old girl? 15. Number of references to his wives other than Emma on the JosephSmith.net website sponsored by the LDS Church? A: zero Jack Larkin, The Reshaping of Everyday Life, 1790-1840 (New York: Harper & Row, 1988), 63; Laurel Thatcher Ulrich, Good Wives: Image and Reality in the Lives of Women in Northern New England, 1650-1750 (NY: Oxford University Press, 1980), 6; Nancy F. Cott, "Young Women in the Second Great Awakening in New England," Feminist Studies 3 (1975): 16. Larkin writes, 16. Why zero? Sources: FamilySearch.org Kirtland Temple legal proceedings 10 who cares?] “that their posterity may become white, delightsome and just, for even now their females are more virtuous than the gentiles.” William W. Phelps, who was Joe’s secretary and who copied the revelation, said, “I asked brother Joseph privately, how ‘we,’ that were mentioned in the revelation could take wives of the ‘natives’ as we were all married men? He replied instantly, ‘In the same manner that Abraham took Hagar and Keturah; that Jacob took Rachel, Bilhah and Zilpah; by revelation – the saints of the Lord are always directed by” [so-called] “revelation.” Joseph Smith - Was He A Sexual Predator? - A Giveaway Clue Article Archived: Oct 30, 2006, at 06:45 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Grey Matter Source: p. 65, Mormon Enigma, 2nd Edition Joseph Smith - Was he a sexual predator? - A giveaway clue The problem is that there doesn’t seem to be a single instance in the Bible, where we find polygamy being sanctioned or directed by God. In a recent conversation with my church-devoted mother, I talked about Joseph Smith’s extra-marital sexual relationships. I talked about his grooming of the 12 year-old Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner, and also his so-called marriages to the 14 year-old Helen Mar Kimball and to the 14 or 15 year-old Nancy Winchester, and his affairs with other men’s wives. I may also have mentioned his abuse of his adopted daughters. “Mormons believe that Joseph asked the Lord why plural wives were acceptable in the day of Abrham, Isaac, and Jacob but not in his day. …several of Joseph’s contemporaries would state that he had received a revelation approving plural marriage in 1831.” Source: p. 65, Mormon Enigma, 2nd Edition http://www.thercg.org/articles/ttap.h... Joseph’s Lie about God giving the thumbs up to biblical or any other polygamy only works on the ignorant. Anyway, my main purpose is just to point out that the very fact that Joseph asks the question is “the principle of taking more wives than one is a true principle” is a complete giveaway clue. Only a depraved person would ask such a question. Only a degenerate person would invents a set of so-called revelations in order to pretend that God had given him the go-ahead to lead the vile and abusing lifestyle that Joseph Smith led. Here is one such example: “In 1869 Orson Pratt said, “[Joseph] has enquired of the Lord [if] the principle of taking more wives than one is a true principle, but the time had not yet come for it to be practiced.” Source: p. 65, Mormon Enigma, 2nd Edition I think Joseph was extremely cunning. Predators are. They can groom and prepare over long periods of time, and execute all manner of tactics in order to practice their craft. In the end, they strike. And the abuse is severely damaging. Perhaps even fatal. As I grew up in the church, I had heard this mentioned a number of times. But the penny never really dropped, until after my exit. Joseph’s legacy to America is polygamy and sexual abuse. It mattered more to him than anything else. He reluctantly gave his life for it. Think about it, what normal, married or unmarried man, would ever conceive a question, such as the one Joseph is said to have asked God? Would such a thought ever enter into the head or into the heart of a normal, healthy man? "Lock up your daughters. The mormons are in town". It's not really that funny, is it, when you consider the roots of mormonism. I don’t think so. Cult devoted members can praise him all they like, but Joe gets no praise from me. He was one of the lowest life forms to exist on our planet. The evidence is quite clear. Joseph was dysfunctional. He was addicted to sex, and nothing in life mattered more to him that his multiple sexual partners. He had a particular appetite for teenage girls. Ministerial abuse was par for the course. Taking advantage of girls and women, unmarried or married, was what he was most skilled at. Consider The Sad Story Of Early Mormon Convert, Henry Jacobs, And How Polygamy Affected His Life Article Archived: Oct 30, 2006, at 07:12 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: X-Man In order to carry off his predatory plans, he had to convince, inveigle and entangle others as well. The devil likes company, and this sexually deviant devil was no exception. He couldn’t be the odd one out. How could he ensnare others? Simple. A new revelation from the Mormon god would do the trick. Revelations. Thank goodness for the gullible. They always swallowed Joseph’s so-called revelations, hook, line and sinker. I entered this thread onto the board about a year ago but thought it time to put it on again for those who may not be aware of this story. A revelation was put together, “…near Jackson County, Missouri, on July 17, 1831…” I will bet that there are very few faithful members of the Mormon Church today that are familiar with the story of Henry Jacobs and how the “new and everlasting covenant” of plural marriage introduced by founding Mormon prophet Joseph Smith affected this good and faithful early Mormon convert and priesthood holder. Here is a brief summary of the true story of this man’s life: It said: “For it is my will, that in time, ye should take unto you wives of the Lamanites and Nephites [Indians]” [Single girls or married ladies, 11 witness. Thus now Henry is married to Zina for “time” as also is Brigham Young but at least Henry is still being allowed to live with Zina. - Baptized into the Mormon Church in 1832 and endured the hardships of the saints in Kirtland and Missouri. - Ordained a Seventy, a missionary calling, on Jan. 19, 1839 then served a short mission starting in May that same year. Served many missions for the Church and was described as a staunch dedicated Mormon and an eloquent preacher. - Henry and Zina leave Nauvoo and their home on Feb 9th, 1846 and in the bitter cold head across the frozen Mississippi river and towards the long journey to Winter Quarters, Iowa. Zina bares their 2nd child along the way in the wagon with Henry nearby. On May 22nd, though Henry was halfway across Iowa, driving a covered wagon for his wife and 2 sons, one newly born, though danger and privatation, at this difficult time, of all times, he was suddenly sent away on a mission to England by order of Brigham Young. He faithfully and with obedience, followed his Church leaders and left for England along with Zina’s brother, Oliver. Zina was then moved in with Brigham Young's other wives and cared for. - Met 19 year old Zina D Huntington in early Nauvoo in 1839 while she was living for a time with her family at the home of Joseph Smith and his wife, Emma. They took a liking to each other and began courting that same year. - Sometime during the midst of Henry and Zina’s courting, Joseph Smith taught Zina the principal of plural marriage and proposed to her. Despite Zina’s reverence for the Mormon prophet, she declined JS’s proposal and put him off at that time and continued to court Henry. (1840) JS continued to press his suit with Zina at the same time she was courting Henry. In 1841, Zina made her choice and decided to marry Henry. - Henry completes an honorable and very successful mission to England. On Aug 12th, 1847, Henry and Oliver arrive in New York City as they are returning from their mission to England. At this time, Henry gets a letter from Zina telling him that their marriage is over and she will now be living with Brigham Young as a plural wife from then on. - On March 7, 1841, Henry and Zina were married. Joseph Smith had agreed to marry them but on the date of the marriage, he failed to show up for the ceremony and so they turned to John C. Bennett (Mayor of Nauvoo and high Church leader at the time) who performed the ceremony. There is much more to this story as those are just some of the highlights, but I will mention just a few more things. Despite all that happened to Henry, he remained faithful to the Church. He never lost his love nor longing to be with his sweet Zina and their two sons. When he got to SLC in Utah he was later sent by Brigham Young to California to help with needs there. He was later excommunicated (BY, again ordering this) for sending letters to Zina telling her how much he longed to be with her and his family while he was serving in California. He repented and was later rebaptized into the Church. He lived in California for many years before being brought back to Utah by his now grown sons (from his marriage to Zina) in 1880. He died at age 69 in SLC in 1886. He did have 3 or 4 other marriages along the way but they were never happy. He remained a faithful member of the Church up to his death. - Even right after the marriage, Joseph Smith revealed to Zina and Henry that the Lord had made it known to him that Zina was to be his celestial wife and that God had commanded that JS should marry Zina. Zina, however, continued to put off the prophet with his suit of her. In Oct of 1841, Zina received a written message from Joseph Smith that an angel from God had appeared to him with a drawn sword and told Joseph that he would lose “his position and his life” if he did not establish polygamy and marry Zina. Thus, Zina, after sincere prayer, finally acquiesced to marry the prophet Joseph Smith on October 27th, 1841, despite the fact that she was 7 months pregnant with Henry Jacob’s child. JS allowed Zina (as with all his other wives who were married to other men) to continue to live and cohabit with her first husband, Henry. Thus Henry lost an eternal companion in Zina to Joseph Smith but at least he could live with her and their children in this earthly life. They ended up having two children (sons) together. God's Top Priority: Sex For Joseph Smith Article Archived: Dec 29, 2006, at 07:51 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Deconstructor - During 1842 to 1844, Henry is sent on several short missions by Joseph Smith. Joseph is killed by a mob on June 27th, 1844. It now appears to Henry that he will be able to have Zina to himself at least for the remainder of their earthly life. According to Joseph Smith, God kept sending an angel with a sword to command him to secretly marry more women. This angelic visitor appeared and literally threatened Joseph Smith's life on at least a halfdozen occasions. - Sometime after JS’s death, Brigham Young approached Zina (as he did with many other of JS’s widows) and says it is his responsibility to his fallen prophet and leader to take on JS’s wives and to be sealed to them for “time” (not eternity). Thus Brigham Young was sealed to Zina for time in September of 1844. Henry went along with this Church leaders council and probably thought this marriage by BY only a formality, it is assumed, as he and Zina continued to live together and even had another child on the way by the time the saints were forced out of Nauvoo by mobs in Feb. of 1846. As the persecution against the Mormons mounted in Nauvoo toward the end of 1845 the saints prepared to leave for the “wilderness” and the temple was just completed at the time, Henry and Zina received their temple endowments together on Jan 2, 1846. A month later, Zina (now 25 years old) and 7 months pregnant with Henry’s 2nd child is married in the temple to Joseph Smith for “eternity” and to Brigham Young (standing in proxy forJS) for “time” as Henry stands as a At least that is what he told the women. (Remember the scene from Blazing Saddles where the Sheriff threatens himself with a gun?) See: http://www.i4m.com/think/history/ange... The Prophet's repeated testimony regarding this visiting angel is more consistent that his stories about the First Vision. Mormons should recognize an important message from the Prophet Joseph Smith's experiences with the Angel. IT CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES GOD'S PRIORITIES. 12 "My father had but one Ewe Lamb, but willingly laid her upon the altar: how cruel this seemed to my mother whose heartstrings were already stretched until they were ready to snap asunder, for she had already taken Sarah Noon to wife and she thought she had made sufficient sacrifice but the Lord required more." - Helen Mar Whitney Journal, Helen Mar Autobiography, Womans Exponent, 1880 and recently reprinted in A Woman's view. What a shame God didn't send an angel with a sword to straighten Smith out on these other occasions: No angel tried to stop him ordaining blacks to the priesthood No angel corrected him for writing contradictory versions of the First Vision story No angel coerced him into not ordering the destruction of the Nauvoo expositor press No angel tried to stop him from ordering the Danites to kill Governor Boggs No angel corrected him for repeatedly saying that Native Americans are Lamanites. No angel warned him to stop having sex with his adopted daughters No angel warned him not to claim he had accurately translated Egyptian No angel came to tell him what happened to the lost 116 pages No angel stopped him from committing bank fraud No angel stopped him from trying to sell the copyright to the Book of Mormon No angel told him to take naked touching out of the endowment ceremony (that didn't happen until Jan 2005) No angel tried to stop him from using a gun at Carthage to kill two men, thus preventing him from dying like an innocent martyr No angel chastised him from declaring he was greater than Jesus Christ Nope. Angelic messengers were complete no-shows, except for when Smith supposedly didn't want to seduce teenagers and other men's wives, and then WALA, A MIRACLE! The Lord sends His angel to force Smith into secret adultery! In fact, the Prophet Joseph Smith gave Helen only 24 hours to decide on whether or not to marry him. Of this, Helen wrote: "[my father] left me to reflect upon it for the next twenty four hours. ... I was skeptical - one minute believed, then doubted. I thought of the love and tenderness that he felt for his only daughter, and I knew that he would not cast me off, and this was the only convincing proof That I had of its being right." The next morning, 37 year-old Joseph Smith finally came himself to the family to explain the "law of Celestial Marriage" and claim his teen bride. In her memoir, Helen wrote, "After which he said to me, 'if you take this step, it will ensure your eternal salvation and exaltation and that of your father's household and all of your kindred.' This promise was so great that I willingly gave myself to purchase so glorious a reward." Helen also writes about her mother's reaction to all of this: "None but God and his angels could see my mother's bleeding heart when Joseph asked her if she was willing, she replied 'If Helen is willing I have nothing more to say." What kind of God do Mormons worship? "She had witnessed the sufferings of others, who were older and who better understood the step they were taking, and to see her child, who had yet seen her fifteenth summer, following the same thorny path, in her mind she saw the misery which was as sure to come as the sun was to rise and set; but it was hidden from me." Mormonism's Greatest Revelation: Sex For Salvation Article Archived: Jan 4, 2007, at 07:10 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Deconstructor Helen thought her marriage to Joseph Smith was only dynastic. But to her surprise, it was more. Helen confided to a close friend in Nauvoo: Of all the gospel doctrines Joseph Smith established, none received this much attention from the Lord. For the Lord sent his angels to Joseph Smith over a dozen times to make sure he taught and practiced it. "I would never have been sealed to Joseph had I known it was anything more than ceremony. I was young, and they deceived me, by saying the salvation of our whole family depended on it." Polygamy: A History, by LDS member Richard S. Van Wagoner, p. 53. This vital doctrine had the most saving power over any gospel ordinance, because it guaranteed the salvation of an entire family for only one person's obedience to it! Smith married fourteen year-old Helen just one month after dictating the revelation of D&C Section 132. In it, the Lord declares that Smith can take even "ten virgins" in order to "multiply and replenish the earth" and he is not committing adultery. (See D&C 132:62-63) That's right - the Prophet Joseph Smith taught that only one person in a family needed to obey this gospel doctrine in order to save their entire family. But if they rejected the doctrine, then he warned that the Lord would destroy the whole family. What would Mormons do today if the Church still practiced this doctrine? What if a Bishop or Stake President could extend salvation to an entire family by taking one of their teen daughters as a bride? That's exactly the proposal the Prophet Joseph Smith gave to fourteen year-old Helen Mar Kimball. Why can't Mormons today recognize the moral depravity in Joseph Smith's actions towards his followers? Helen wrote: Did angels really force Joseph Smith into behaving like this? "Having a great desire to be connected with the Prophet, Joseph, he (my father) offered me to him; this I afterwards learned from the Prophet's own mouth." Church history says yes: http://www.i4m.com/think/history/ange... 13 Joseph Smith, Menses, Pedophilia, Etc Article Archived: Jan 19, 2007, at 08:55 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: TLC http://www.svdltd.com/sells/cpa/artic... Boys and girls now experience puberty at younger ages than previous generations. In general, girls enter puberty between ages 8 and 13 and reach menarche (first menstruation) several years later, while boys enter puberty between ages 9 and 14 (436, 529). The reasons for earlier menarche in girls are not well understood. Most of the change is attributed to better health and nutrition (160, 185, 529). In North America age at menarche decreased by three to four months each decade after 1850; in 1988 the median age at menarche was 12.5 years among US girls (160, 529). In some developing countries age at menarche appears to be decreasing even faster. For example, in Kenya average age at menarche fell from 14.4 in the late 1970s to 12.9 in the 1980s (185). In our efforts to sort through the wasteland that is Mormon history, (fact vs. fiction) it's worthwhile, at least to me, to have some context within which to make our judgments. A poster on the other thread derided the notion that the age of sexual maturity among women has changed or is still changing. The statistics are very clear on this however: The age of menarche is dropping in virtually all areas of the world. More on that below. http://www.jhuccp.org/pr/j41/j41chap1... The other claim being disputed is that Joseph Smith was a pedophile. While it's easy to throw that word around in light of today's problems with child abusing priests in the catholic clergy, the fact remains that pedophilia is defined as: "The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children." So perhaps more for my own benefit than anyone else's, it helps to understand the context from within which we assess the lecherous scumbag known as Joseph Smith. We don't know if he had sex with prepubescent children, therefore we don't know if he was truly a pedophile. We don't know if the teenaged girls he married and/or had sex with were sexually mature or not. Furthermore, the pathology of pedophilia is understood to be an attraction or activity that is limited to prepubescent children. It's been well-established that true pedophiles lose interest almost immediately when a boy or girl exhibits the first signs of sexual maturity. But regardless of whether they were sexually mature or not, something in us is sickened by the thoughts of them being coerced into any kind of relationship with this lecher who was pretending to use god as his motivator. I don't have access to my library of links on this subject from this computer but a quick Googling of the word pedophilia will take you to the professional community's definitions. They are very clear as to what does and what doesn't constitute pedophilia. Joseph Smith was not the first, nor will he be the last, to prey upon young girls for sexual gratification. And that in no way justifies his actions. But in aiming for accuracy in trying to describe Joseph Smith, there are a lot of words other than pedophile that do the job more saliently and succinctly. By today's definitions, when it comes to the pathology of pedophilia, Joseph Smith would probably not be considered a true pedophile. That doesn't mean however, that he wasn't a lecherous scumbag who would stop at nothing to bed any young woman who captured his fancy. Lecherous scumbag keeps coming to mind for some reason. What one of us as fathers here today, would hesitate for a second to deck a sumbitch like J.S. if he so much as glanced in any of our daughter's directions? I know that my response would be visceral and swift. More on sexual maturity among women. As closely as I can tell from investigating the median age of menarche (first menses) in Joseph Smith's time, it is possible that one or two of the girls he married and/or had relations with might not have been sexually mature. All of the research I've been able to find, (and it's not all linked here) indicates that the average age of menarche in the mid 1800s was 17. Makes you wonder what kind of men Smith had around him that they would so willingly hand over their young daughters to him. Therein lies the true pathology of mormonism. Joseph Smith, His Attempts To Seduce Sarah Pratt, The Manipulative Dr. Bennett, And Abortions Reportedly Done For Smith By The Doctor Article Archived: Jan 22, 2007, at 06:56 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: FreeAtLast What that might tell us about a girl who was 14 or 15 back then is hard to determine because of the nature of averages. In any event, it does make it clear that Joseph Smith was treading a very fine fine when it came to the sexual maturity of the girls he courted and/or married. There is a lot of research in this arena because of the alarming shift in menarchal age from the 1800s to present day where the median onset of menarche has now dropped to age 12. 2. In 1840, the average young woman in Europe and the United States menstruated for the first time at the age of 17; her modern counterpart reaches the age of menstruation at about 12. Well known to biological anthropologists as the "secular trend," this crash in the age of sexual maturity has proceeded at the rate of four months per decade, and, in most populations, continues. JOSEPH ATTEMPTS TO SEDUCE SARAH PRATT, ORSON PRATT'S WIFE (Joseph Smith the First Mormon 1977 by Donna Hill p.297) By the spring of 1842, disquieting rumors had already been in circulation in Nauvoo for several months about the flamboyant Dr. 14 [John Cook] Bennett who had risen so suddenly to a spectacular place among the Saints. Besides acting as first counsellor to the prophet while Sydney Rigdon was ill, Bennett had become mayor of Nauvoo, chancellor of the university and president of the Nauvoo Agricultural and Manufacturing Association. He held the rank of major general in the Nauvoo Legion and directed its organization and training. After only eighteen months in Nauvoo he had become second in power to no one but the prophet himself... My friend continues: You will see that this also covers a fair amount of information about John Bennett. I mentioned in an email to you before that he was an interesting part of Joseph's circumstances in Nauvoo, a rather unsavoury character that became one of Joseph's entourage for, as far as I can tell, two reasons: 1) He was a master Mason, and had the connections that got Joseph into Masonry, which Joseph later used to flesh out the temple ceremony doctrines; 2) He had the political savvy to help Joseph fulfill his political aspirations. Bennett also claimed to have had the confidence of Sarah Pratt. Like many missionaries' wives who were left without support, Sarah had done cooking, sewing and washing to keep herself and her children, and Bennett had taken meals with her. According to Bennett, Sarah had confided to him that Joseph had told her the Lord had given her to him as one of his spiritual wives but she had replied that she did not believe in such revelations, and would never break her marriage covenant with Orson [Pratt]. Bennett said that Joseph warned her not to repeat what had happened, but Sarah told her husband when he came home. Orson faced Joseph, but Joseph denied everything and tried to blacken Sarah's reputation. There is a book about his life now, called The Saintly Scoundrel: The Life and Times of Dr. John Cook Bennett. The Amazon website for it is here: http://www.amazon.com/Saintly-Scoundr... He was an integral part of Joseph's life in Nauvoo and, I believe, fit right in with Joseph Smith's real character. He is critical to any real understanding of the Nauvoo period. You may also recall that, in a previous email you sent me, it referred to Dr. Bennett doing abortions: Considering Bennett's character and his vendetta against the prophet, it is not likely that his story about Joseph and Sarah is entirely reliable. However, it seems that something occurred between Joseph and Sarah that made her indignant, since some years later she told an interviewer that he had made propositions to her that enraged her and that she had refused the aid she was supposed to receive from the church while Orson was on his mission. (Wilhelm Wyl, Mormon Portraits, Salt Lake City, 1886, p.61). According to Joseph III, however, Sarah denied to him that his father had ever said an improper word to her. "Memoirs of President Joseph Smith," The Saints Herald, January 22, 1935, p.109 as quoted by Brodie, p.316 n.) http://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/18... "A doctor in Nauvoo, and once a close associate of Joseph Smith, was accused by Hyrum Smith of practicing abortions. Hyrum testified that Dr. Bennett was propositioning women in a similar fashion to Joseph Smith. "[Dr. Bennett] endeavoured to seduce them, and accomplished his designs by saying it was right; that it was one of the mysteries of God, which was to be revealed when the people was strong enough in faith to bear such mysteries—that it was perfectly right to have illicit intercourse with females, providing no one knew it but themselves, vehemently trying them from day to day, to yield to his passions, bringing witnesses of his own clan to testify that there were such revelations and such commandments, and that they were of God; also stating that he would be responsible for their sins, if there were any, and that he would give them medicine to produce abortions, provided they should become pregnant." Affidavit of Hyrum Smith. Official History of the Church, Vol. 5, p.71 In any event, the story Orson heard from Sarah or Bennett or both apparently so upset him that for a time he was irrational. Joseph records that on August 29, 1842, Orson disappeared from Nauvoo and that most of the city turned out in search of him. Orson was found on the riverbank after an attempt to destroy himself. (History of the Church, V, 138.) [My friend noted: Knowing the reputation of Bennett at this point, it is hardly likely that Orson would have tried to kill himself over Bennett's words. It seems more likely that it came directly from his wife.] Now, this paints Bennett as a scoundrel, according to Hyrum. But Hyrum doesn't go quite far enough. Bennett was also performing abortions for Joseph: For a while Sarah and Orson withdrew from the church, but later, according to his brother Parley's great-granddaughter, Parley persuaded Orson that it was better to overlook the matter and keep harmony in the church. (Reva Stanley, A Biography of Parley P. Pratt; the Archer of Paradise, Caldwell, Idaho: Caxton Printers Ltd. 1937), p.158.) Testimony of Sarah Pratt, wife of Apostle Orson Pratt (same link) http://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/18... "One day they came both, Joseph and Bennett, on horseback to my house. Bennett dismounted, Joseph remained outside. Bennett wanted me to return to him a book I had borrowed from him. It was a socalled doctor-book. I had a rapidly growing little family and wanted to inform myself about certain matters in regard to babies, etc., -- this explains my borrowing that book. While giving Bennett his book, I observed that he held something in the left sleeve of his coat. Bennett smiled and said: 'Oh, a little job for Joseph; one of his women is in trouble.' Saying this. he took the thing out of his left sleeve. It was a pretty long instrument of a kind I had never seen before. It seemed to be of steel and was crooked at one end. I heard afterwards that the operation had been performed; that the woman was very sick, and that Joseph was very much afraid that she might die, but she recovered. Orson never wanted to lose the priesthood or his standing as a member of the twelve. On January 20, 1843, the Quorum of the Twelve met at the home of Brigham Young in Orson's presence, to reconsider his case. On that same day Orson and Sarah were rebaptized in the river and Orson was restored as an apostle. (Minutes of the Council of Twelve, in box labelled "High Council Meetings etc., Conference and Public Meetings," HDC.) Orson afterward wrote to a cousin, "J.C. Bennett has published lies concerning myself & my family & the people with which I am connected. His book I have read with the greatest disgust No candid honest man can or will believe it." (Parley P. Pratt to "Dear Cousin" [John Van Cott in New York], May 7, 1843. Orson Pratt papers, HDC. Orson's comments were attached to Parley's letter.) 15 "Bennett was the most intimate friend of Joseph for a time. He boarded with the prophet. He told me once that Joseph had been talking with him about his troubles with Emma, his wife. 'He asked me,' said Bennett, smilingly, 'what he should do to get out of the trouble ?' I said, 'This is very simple. GET A REVELATION that polygamy is right, and all your troubles will be at an end." No, there is no stained dress or other physical evidence of a sexual relationship. But the history record is pretty clear what Smith's polygamy was all about. My friend continues: 1. According to current LDS scripture, sex was the only reason Joseph Smith was commanded to marry virgins "a hundred fold" in this life. See D&C 132:62-63. Here are top ten reasons why I think Joseph Smith intended to have sex with his teen bride, Helen Mar Kimball: The Pratt family was interesting for another reason- Parley P. Pratt, Orson's older brother. My father recently read an LDS book about Pratt's life. When I asked him about how Parley died, he said he was shot by an assassin. 2. Smith received this "Divine Law" to only take virgins, which also exempted him from adultery (a sex sin), during the same time he married Helen. He married Helen in May of 1843 and wrote D&C 132 a month later, in June of that same year. The actual truth is a little more complex than the church book, which doesn't want members to know the truth. On a mission, Parley seduced a woman into becoming one of his plural wives. He later fled, and the husband tracked him down and shot him: 3. There is no recorded revelation during Joseph Smith's lifetime that he should enter into polygamy for dynastic or any other purpose other than "raising up seed." To those who say Smith married Helen for something other than sex, I ask: "where is the revelation?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parley_P... Parley P. Pratt 4. In the Book of Mormon the Lord expressly forbids polygamy for any other reason than to "raise up seed." See BoM Jacob 24-30. So a dynastic-only marriage would have been a sin. Parley Parker Pratt (12 April 1807–13 May 1857) (commonly known as Parley P. Pratt) was a leader in the Latter Day Saint movement and an original member of The Quorum of Twelve Apostles from 1835 until his murder in 1857. He served in the Quorum with his younger brother, Orson Pratt. He was a productive missionary, religious writer and long-time editor of the religious publication The Latter-day Saints' Millennial Star. 5. Joseph Smith had sex with his other teen wives, including Fanny Alger, age 16, Sarah Ann Whitney, age 17, Lucy Walker, age 17, and Flora Ann Woodworth, age 16. So why not Helen? (In fact, Smith secretly married Helen in the same month he married Lucy and Flora.) On a preaching mission in 1857, Pratt was being tracked by Hector McLean, the disgruntled husband of a woman, Eleanor McLean, whom Pratt had recently married as a plural wife. McLean pressed charges, accusing Pratt of coming between him and the woman who was then his wife. Pratt managed to evade him and his charges, but was finally arrested in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma). He was tried before Judge John B Ogden, acquitted and released. However, shortly afterward, he was killed by Hector McLean and two other men on 13 May 1857, on a farm northeast of Van Buren, Arkansas. 6. Helen said it was more than just a ceremony. In her own testimony, she wrote "I would never have been sealed to Joseph had I known it was anything more than ceremony. I was young, and they deceived me, by saying the salvation of our whole family depended on it." 7. Joseph Smith did not describe his plural marriages as mere dynastic. He told his close friend and scribe William Clayton that Helen and the other teen girls "were his lawful, wedded wives, according to the celestial order" and "his lawful wives in the sight of Heaven." 8. In Nauvoo, Smith bragged about the pleasure he got from his teen brides, saying one "had given him more pleasure than any girl he had ever enjoyed." Why I Think Smith Intended To Have Sex With His 14 Year-Old Bride Article Archived: Jan 23, 2007, at 06:15 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Deconstructor 9. Everyone Joseph Smith taught his polygamy doctrine to had sex with their secret brides. None of them thought they were merely dynastic relationships. 10. Those closest to Joseph Smith understood he married these women for sex. When Helen's father, Heber C. Kimball, asked Sister Eliza R. Snow the question if she was not a virgin although married to Joseph Smith, she replied, "I thought you knew Joseph Smith better than that." One of the most common denials regarding Joseph Smith is that he did not intend to have sex with his 14 year-old bride, Helen Mar Kimball. So why didn't Helen get pregnant? The fact that Joseph Smith married 14 year-old Helen is undisputed by church apologists. That he did so by promising her family salvation is also accepted by Mormons who know church history. It's likely that at age 14, Helen was still not physically mature enough to get pregnant. Girls that age in the 19th century did not start menstruating until age 17 to 19. Yet some still try and argue that because there is no physical evidence of sexual relations between Smith and his bride, that the relationship was merely "dynastic" and was not about sex. See: http://www.i4m.com/think/polygamy/tee... So where is the evidence Smith's plural marriages were about sex? 16 There is more evidence to suggest that Joseph Smith had sex with his wives than there is that he saw God and Jesus in 1820. If Mormons will believe that story with such weak support, why will they not support such a strong case for Joseph Smith practicing polygamy as the Lord commanded? Perhaps. As Randy Jordan has pointed out: We have no indisputable evidence that Smith had sex with the 14year-old Helen; but considering Smith's sexual activities with other women, including teenagers, there is no reason to believe that he didn't intend to have sex with Helen and produce children, just as he did with others. If you read D&C 132 very carefully, you'll note how it bestows upon Smith the "blessings of Abraham," which, in Mormon theology, was the blessing of endless posterity. The "revelation" goes on to command Smith to "go and do the works of Abraham." It was common during the polygamy period for men to go ahead and plural marry desirable pre-pubescent girls in order to secure them into their harems and prevent them from marrying other men. Then when the girl had reached puberty, she would begin having babies. This is likely why Helen, even if she did not have sex with Smith, complained about not being able to socialize like other girls her age: it was her after-the-fact realization that she had been deceived into joining Smith's harem, and thus becoming ineligible to be courted by young, single suitors. Also, verse 63 gives the *only* reason for Smith to plural marry: "for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment..." Again, ALL of Smith's statements to those to whom he introduced into polygamy affirmed that the practice was to have sex and children, rather than to care for old widows. Following are several statements from early Mormons which help to explain the concept. Benjamin Johnson was a close follower of Joseph Smith, and the brother of one of Smith's plural wives, Almera Johnson. Benjamin wrote in his journal that Smith had taught: Let's also remember that a) At the time Smith "plural married" Helen, he had many other women with whom he could have sex with; so he could have kept Helen "in reserve" for the time when she reached puberty, or perhaps when Smith was horny and no other woman happened to be available "The first command was to 'multiply' and the prophet taught us that Dominion and power in the great Future would be commensurate with the number of 'wives children & friends' that we inherit here and that our great mission to earth was to organize a [nucleus] of Heaven to take with us. To the increase of which there would be no end." b) Smith was killed 13 months after his sealing to Helen, so he simply may not have had the opportunity to consummate their relationship before his death. However, it's a virtual certainty that he would have if he had lived. Mosiah Hancock, another disciple of Smith, wrote "Bro Joseph said 'the Lord has revealed to me that it is his will that righteous men shall take righteous women even a plurality of wives that a righteous race may be sent forth upon the earth preparatory to the ushering in of the Millenial Reign of our Redeemer---For the Lord has such a high respect for the nobles of his kingdom that he is not willing for them to come through the loins of a careless people.' " The bottom line being that it's futile for Mormon apologists to argue that Smith's sealing to Helen was "dynastic" or "spiritual" only, in an effort to show that Smith's plural marriages to young girls were proper. Helen's own complaint that she was "deceived" into the sealing, and that she would not have agreed to it if she had known in advance that it was to be anything other than "spiritual," is enough to show the impropriety of Smith's motives and actions. Another example is from the journal of Helen Tracy, who wrote of a conversation between herself, Lorenzo Snow, and apostle Rudger Clawson: There's simply no good reason to believe that had he not been killed, Smith would not have had sex with Helen just as he did with many other women. "The Principle was quite a trial to Sister V. K. [Vilate Kimball, wife of apostle Heber Kimball] but she essayed to submit to it and went and chose two very old maids of quite plain and homely appearance for her husband Bro K[imball] spoke to the Prophet Joseph about it and he said, Bro K that arrangement is of the devil you go and get you a young wife one you can take to your bosom and love and raise children by. A man should choose his own wife and one he can love and get children by." (As quoted in "Prisoner for Polygamy: The Memoirs and Letters of Rudger Clawson," p. 12.) Sarah And Maria, The Lawrence Sisters Article Archived: Mar 29, 2007, at 06:59 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Randy J. Brigham Young re-affirmed those concepts when he preached: "Birth control----There are multitudes of pure and holy spirits waiting to take tabernacles [bodies], now what is our duty?---To prepare tabernacles for them; to take a course that will not tend to drive those spirits into the families of the wicked, where they will be trained in wickedness, debauchery, and every species of crime. It is the duty of every righteous man and woman to prepare tabernacles for all the spirits they can. This is the reason why the doctrine of plurality of wives was revealed, so that the noble spirits which are waiting for tabernacles might be brought forth." (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 197.) "The Lawrence sisters had come to Nauvoo from Canada without their parents in 1840 when Maria was about eighteen and Sarah fifteen. Emma and Joseph offered them a home. According to William Law's account, the girls had inherited about eight thousand dollars in 'English gold.' Law said, 'Joseph got to be appointed their guardian,' and indicated that he and Sidney Rigdon were bondsmen to Joseph. After Emma approved of the Lawrence marriages, William Law accused her of doing so with an eye to helping Joseph secure the inheritance. Joseph's history dated May 30, 1843, reads, 'I superintended the preparation of papers to settle the Lawrence estate,' Maybe Smith only INTENDED to have sex with Helen? 17 and four days later the 'accounts of the Lawrence estate were presented to the probate judge, to which he made objection.' plural wives, while their husbands toiled, hundreds and even thousands of miles away, on behalf of the religious organization established by Smith. "Apparently problems with the inheritance occupied Joseph for at least fifteen months. According to Joseph's history, the girls' stepfather, Josiah Butterfield, insulted him 'so outrageously' on March 28, 1843, that Joseph 'kicked him out of the house, across the yard and into the street.' By June 4, 1844, Joseph was counseling John Taylor 'to go on with the prosecution in behalf of Maria Lawrence. I concluded to go to Quincy with Taylor, and give up my bonds of guardianship as administrator of the Lawrence estate.' According to the info. on the linked webpage, after Smith was killed and Zina became one of Young's plural wives, she began to live openly as such. Her husband was sent away on yet another mission (to England). Why, by 1846, did she allow it to be known in the Mormon church/community that she was involved with 'the higher law of Celestial Marriage', when just 6-7 years earlier, polygamy had caused her great distress? Because she'd been psychologically broken to the 'principle'. "Neither of the Lawrence sisters left any account of their marriages to Joseph, but their experiences were probably similar to those of the Partridge sisters. For almost a year the four young women would live with the Smiths, but the situation was most difficult. Emily wrote that Emma 'said some very bad things' about the plural marriages and her 'interviews were quite common.'" Her former natural resistance to polygamy, as a woman and someone with a Protestant religious heritage (Protestantism held that the only marriage/union authorized by God was between one man and one woman), had eroded. How was this accomplished? Zina stopped thinking for herself about the type of marriage that 'God' approved of. Because she replaced her thoughts and opinions about polygamy with Joseph's, and over time, her initial, innate rejection of polygamy, religiously/psychologically and emotionally, eroded. ---"Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith," p. 144.) Emma Smith vacillated between reluctantly accepting Joseph's affairs and being outraged to the point of throwing the girls out of her house. Another psychological factor, IMO, was that after Smith's death, Young became the most powerful leader in the church. He was a psychologically strong and willful man. Throughout history, many women have been attracted to powerful, strong men. Zina was no different. She'd disempowered herself by going against her initial instinct that polygamy was wrong and relented to Mormon patriarchal authority. Zina was unconsciously looking for a restoration of power in her life. Since she would never be a priesthood leader in the Mormon Church (exercising power and authority), the next best thing was to marry the most powerful man in the church: The President/'Prophet'. Incidentally, shortly before Smith's death, his former counselor in the church presidency, William Law, filed charges at Carthage which included the accusation that Smith was "living in an open state of adultery with Maria Lawrence." Mormon Polyandry And Polygamy: "Whatever The Prophet [Joseph Smith] Did Was Right, Without Making The Wisdom Of God's Authorities Bend To The Reasoning Of Any Man." Article Archived: May 7, 2007, at 07:09 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: FreeAtLast One of the psychological phenomena in Mormonism during the past 6-7 generations has been the elevated status of Mormon women who have been married to church leaders. The 'higher' in the pyramidal leadership structure the husband was (is), the greater the wife's status in the Mormon community. I think that Young's elevated status in the church after Smith's death upon becoming church President appealed to Zina. Her own insecurity would be offset in the Mormon community by her status as one of the wives of 'the Prophet'. Henry Jacob's quote comes from: http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/05-..., which contains info. and quotes from Todd Compton's "In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith". From that link, note how Joseph Smith psychologically coerced Zina Huntington Jacobs, a convert with her family, to marry him after she'd married Henry: "Zina later wrote, that within months of her marriage to Henry, "[Joseph] sent word to me by my brother, saying, ‘Tell Zina, I put it off and put it off till an angel with a drawn sword stood by me and told me if I did not establish that principle upon the earth I would lose my position and my life’". In other words, it wasn't Joseph's fault that he was supposed to marry Zina; the 'blame' was God's, the ultimate authority figure in the universe, according to the 'spiritual' belief system of Smith and early church converts." Even before Zina married Henry, Joseph had approached her to become one of his plural wives. Note (from the linked webpage) her mental distress after Smith's 'proposal': "O dear Heaven, grant me wisdom! Help me to know the way. O Lord, my god, let thy will be done and with thine arm around about to guide, shield and direct..." Henry, Zina's first husband, was clearly not powerful/strong. He was a follower, an obedient 'servant', who year after year, left his wife and children to obediently go away on a mission. I think Zina grew tired of his lack of 'spine', and his neglect of her in terms of being around and a regular part of her life. Mormon polygamy could not have been achieved had early church converts such as Zina and Henry not stopped thinking for themselves. Accepting polygamy, which was morally reprehensible to early church converts initially because of their Protestant/Christian heritage, involved replacing their thinking with the beliefs/thinking of 'the Prophet'. Converts thought that they were surrendering their will to God's when in fact, they were only surrendering their will to Smith's, which he had 'packaged' as God's will, having convinced himself that it was. The history of Mormon polygamy reveals the Smith's Machiavellian side; he broke people psychologically to the 'principle of plural wives' in very cunning (and different) ways. In the case of Brigham Young, he wore the Apostle down psychologically over a period of months, as indicated in "The Mormons". Smith used the example of the Old Testament polygamist-patriarch, Abraham, in his conversations with Young. With 55+ wives and children later in life, Not surprisingly, Smith had sent Henry away on missions, which took him far from his wife and family for years (in total). Did Smith himself make such a sacrifice to 'build up the Kingdom of God on Earth'? No, he remained in the same community as Zina and his other 18 Young became an Abraham more than any other Mormon priesthood leader, a great 'patriarch' in the Latter-day 'Kingdom of God on Earth'. There are several lines of evidence for this: First, in marriage the presumption is that sex occurs, unless we have reason to believe otherwise. In the case of Zina Huntington Jacobs, the process of psychologically breaking her to the idea of polygamy involved Smith presenting himself as an extremely reluctant 'prophet' who had been threatened with 'divine' destruction via an armed angel if he did not comply (by marrying Zina, as 'coincidence' would have it). Second, more than one of Joseph Smith's otherwise-married wives explicity stated that she was married to him for "*time* and eternity." Mary Lightner and, if I recall correctly, Patty Sessions specifically indicated this with respect to their marriages to Smith. In the case of Apostle Heber C. Kimball and his wife, Vilate, Smith wasn't sexually interested in his friend's spouse, but in the Kimball's willful, 14-year old daughter, Helen. The only way to get sexual access to the girl was to psychologically break her parents, which is exactly what Smith did by telling Heber and Vilate that God had commanded him to relay a message that Vilate was to marry Smith. God was 'sorely' testing the Kimballs' faith to see if they were truly 'worthy' (so they believed). Third, the rationale offered for plural marriage was "to raise up seed unto the Lord." If Joseph Smith did *not* have sex with his otherwise-married plural wives, he was flouting the very reason for marrying them. Fourth, three important evidences indicate that Sylvia Sessions Lyon, legal wife of Windsor P. Lyon, believed her other husband, Joseph Smith, to be the father of her daughter Josephine Lyon. 1) Josephine herself left an affidavit that her mother gave her death-bed testimony that she (Josephine) was Smith's child. Supporting this testimony, Sylvia's Nauvoo friend Mary Ettie V. Smith reported in print that Sylvia had told her she was uncertain whether Windsor Lyon or Joseph Smith was the father of her child. And, notably, she named the child *Josephine*, likely in honor of the suspected father. After agonizing over the decision (the Kimballs' religious heritage was Protestant), Vilate reluctantly agreed. After much crying and drama, Smith announced to the Kimballs that, happy day!, they'd passed their test of faith, and God had recently updated his 'revelation': Vilate would no longer be required to marry Joseph. The Kimballs were clueless about the terrible psychological shock that lay in store for them. Fifth, when Joseph Smith proposed to William Law's wife Jane (a proposal documented in LDS sources as well), it is quite clear that the Laws understood this proposal to include a this-worldly relationship. Law, writing in his journal in April 1844, recorded that Smith had "lately attempted to seduce my wife and found her a virtuous woman." Having broken Helen's parents to the concept of plural wives, gaining sexual access to her was that much easier, but Smith still had to be cunning. Instead of speaking with the teenage girl himself about becoming his wife (Smith, at age 37, was old enough to be Helen's father), he used her Achilles' Heel: Her love for her family and sense of devotion to her father. Through Heber, Smith informed Helen that God had 'revealed' that if she would marry Smith (and their marriage union would be non-sexual), her family would be guaranteed 'eternal salvation'. However, God's offer was time-limited; Helen had just 24 hours to respond. Sixth, one of the men introduced to polyandrous marriage *by* Joseph Smith appears to have lived with the polyandrous wife. While Orson Hyde was on a mission to Palestine, Smith married Hyde's wife Nancy to Willard Richards. Shortly thereafter, Richards was reported to have been notorious for "Hydeing." And the printer of the Times and Seasons, Ebenezer Robinson, recalled that when the Twelve took over the T&S office, Richards took up living there with Mrs. Hyde. Smith himself performed the marriage between Richards and Nancy Hyde. And when the marriage dissolved a few months later, Smith had Nancy sealed to *himself*! Upon hearing this 'message' from her father about marrying Smith, Helen became angry. But having been broken himself to the idea of polygamy, Heber talked with his daughter about how it was a practice in the Bible (which the girl believed contained God's word). With the clock ticking, Helen finally relented. Unbeknownst to her as she participated in the marriage ceremony involving Smith, he would later take from her that which was most precious, as her diary written much later in her life indicated. Given that Smith had "given" Nancy to Richards, Richards' information on how he should and should not relate to her would have come from Smith. So, Smith evidently taught Richards that it was alright (and perhaps expected or required) for him to have sex with an otherwise married 'wife'! Also, it seems unlikely that Richards would cohabit with Nancy when she was *his* polyandrous wife yet Smith would *not*, particularly since Smith was the one who had instructed Richards... Did Joseph Smith Have Sex With Other Men's Legal Wives? Article Archived: Jun 28, 2007, at 07:01 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: onandagus1 This list of evidences is not exhaustive, but should be sufficient to convince a reasonable and open-minded person that Joseph Smith had sex with at least a significant proportion of his polyandrous wives, if not almost all of them. In a discussion off this forum, Kimberly Ann noted that while LDS apologists don't dispute that Joseph Smith *'married'* other men's wives, they generally do dispute that he had sex with these women. A Smith Conundrum - Monogamy Gives Way To Polygamy Article Archived: Jul 12, 2007, at 08:28 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Jimmy Rainbow This position is virtually indefensible, and demonstrably wrong. Joseph Smith *did* have sex with women he had himself 'sealed' to who were legally married to other men. 19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_S... Monogamy gives way to polygamy but the scriptures remain the same. Patty Bartlett Sessions, the wife of David Sessions, made it clear in her private journal that she was married to Joseph Smith for both "time" and "eternity": "I was sealed to Joseph Smith by Willard Richards Mar 9, 1842, in Newel K. Whitney's chamber, Nauvoo, for time and all eternity…Sylvia my daughter was present when I was sealed to Joseph Smith." (Journal of Patty Sessions, as quoted in Intimate Disciple, Portrait of Willard Richards, 1957, p. 611) Polygamy was initially practiced in secret of course and many women had no idea when their husbands took new wives as Joseph Smith instructed men not to tell their wives. Certainly with Smith himself, Emma had no idea about a number of his wives until well after the event, some not at all. When she did find out she threw several of them out of the house over the years. (References are many and well enough known on this). http://trialsofascension.net/mormon/p... Plural marriage is also specifically condemned in the Book of Mormon: “For behold, thus saith the Lord: this people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David and Solomon his son. “Behold David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.” Book of Mormon. Jacob 2: 23-24. Contrast this with The Doctrine and Covenants: “Verily thus saith the Lord… you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants… David and Solomon,… as touching the principle and doctrine of having many wives and concubines - … “David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me.” D & C 132: 1 & 39. In a letter to Morris L Reynolds dated 14 July 1966, LeGrand Richards said, in reference to the Book of Mormon confirming the practice “abominable” and the D & C stating “justified” both referring to the wives of David and both preceded by “Thus saith the Lord” - “I am afraid I can’t adequately reconcile these two statements...” “If the one in Doctrine and Covenants 132:1 had omitted the names of David and Solomon, then I think I could reconcile the two statements.” Joseph Smith had at least one child with Sylvia. "- Stake President Angus Cannon also testified: "I will now refer you to one case where it was said by the girl's grandmother that your father [Joseph Smith] has a daughter born of a plural wife. The girl's grandmother was Mother Sessions . . . She was the grand-daughter of Mother Sessions. That girl, I believe, is living today, in Bountiful, north of this city. I heard prest. Young, a short time before his death, refer to the report . . . The woman is now said to have a family of children, and I think she is still living." (Stake President Angus M. Cannon, statement of interview with Joseph III, 25-26, LDS archives.) - Faithful Mormon and wife of Joseph Smith, Sylvia Sessions (Lyon), on her deathbed told her daughter, Josephine, that she (Josephine) was the daughter of Joseph Smith. Josephine testified: "She (Sylvia) then told me that I was the daughter of the Prophet Joseph Smith, she having been sealed to the Prophet at the time that her husband Mr. Lyon was out of fellowship with the Church." (Affidavit to Church Historian Andrew Jenson, 24 Feb. 1915) http://i4m.com/think/history/joseph_s... Obviously it cannot actually be explained as it is contradicting doctrine and contradictory words purported to be from God. God does not lie; Joseph Smith is here evidenced as doing so. It is absolute evidence that Joseph Smith stated polygamy was abominable in 1830 before he practiced it and later he had it magically justified using the same reference when he started to get involved with women other than Emma. The Church still cannot and does not answer this conundrum. It is simply ignored as it cannot be explained. You will notice here that Joseph Smith married Sylvia Porter Sessions/Lyon/Smith/Kimball/Clark and impregnated her with Joseph Rosetta Lyon while she was still married to Windsor Lyon. After bearing Joseph’s child she bore two more children for Windsor Lyon. 7. Sylvia Porter Sessions (Lyon) (Smith) (Kimball) (Clark), 1818-82, married Joseph Smith polyandrously on February 8, 1842, at age twenty-three, and bore him one child, Josephine Lyon (Fisher), on February 8, 1844. Sylvia had married Windsor Lyon in 1838 and stayed with him for eleven years, bearing him four children, all of whom died as infants. He was excommunicated in Nauvoo in November 1842, due to a financial/legal conflict with Nauvoo Stake President William Marks, but was rebaptized in January 1846. Sylvia married Heber C. Kimball for time, polyandrously, on January 26, 1846, but did not go west with him, staying with Lyon. After Lyon's death in January 1849, she married a non-Mormon, Ezekiel Clark, in Iowa on January 1, 1850. She bore him three children (all of whom survived) but left him and came to Bountiful, Utah, in 1854. Well… we know the explanation don’t we? But then we got out of the Matrix and can see. Joseph Smith's Mother / Daughter Problem Article Archived: Oct 26, 2007, at 04:33 PM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Cooper Parents:David Sessions and Patty Bartlett Born:July 31, 1818, Newry, Maine Died:April 12, 1882, Bountiful, Utah Sylvia Porter Sessions married Joseph Smith on Feb. 8, 1842. She was the daughter of David Sessions and Patty Bartlett Sessions, who became Joseph Smith's tenth wife. Patty Bartlett Sessions married Joseph Smith on Mar. 9, 1842. At the time of her marriage to Smith, she was already married to David Sessions, and their daughter Sylvia Porter Sessions was already the eighth wife of Joseph Smith. Marriage to Joseph Smith:about 1843 Other Marriages:Windsor Palmer Lyon, 1838, Far West, Missouri Heber Chase Kimball, January 1846, Nauvoo, Illinois Ezekiel Clark, January 1, 1850, Iowa City, Iowa 20 Children: 1. Marian Lyon, July 30, 1839, Nauvoo, Illinois 2. Philofreen Lyon, June 11, 1841, Nauvoo, Illinois 3. Asa Windsor Lyon, December 25, 1842, Nauvoo, Illinois 4. Josephine Rosetta Lyon, February 8, 1844, Nauvoo, Illinois 5. Byron Windsor Lyon, September 4, 1847, Iowa City, Iowa 6. David Carlos Lyon, August 8, 1848, Iowa City, Iowa 7. Perry Ezekiel Clark, February 8, 1851, Iowa City, Iowa 8. Phebe Jane Clark, September 1, 1852, Iowa City, Iowa 9. Martha Sylvia Clark, January 20, 1854, Iowa City, Iowa 35. 1846 Feb. 3 Mary Ellen de la Montague, 1803-not known (1) James B. Woodward 36. 1846 Feb. 3 Julia Foster, 1811-91 (1) Jonathan Hampton (3) Thomas Cole 37. 1846 Feb. 3 Abigail Harback, 1790-1849 (1) Mr. Hall 38. 1846 Feb. 3 Mary Ann Turley, 1827-1904 (2) John Cook 39. 1846 Feb. 6 Naamah Carter, 1821-1909 (1) John S. Twiss 40. 1846 Feb. 6 Nancy Cressy, 1780-1872 (1) Mr. Walker Married while crossing the plains 41. 1847 Feb. 10 Jane Terry, 1819-47 (1) George Tarbox (2) George W. Young 42. 1847 March 20 Lucy Bigelow, 1830-1905 43. 1847 March 20 Mary Jane Bigelow, 1827-68 (2) Horace Roberts (3) Philander Bell 44. 1848 April 18 Sarah Malin, 1804-58 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olymp... This seemed to start a trend of marrying women who were still married to other men. Brigham Young followed in Joe’s swinging footsteps as the following list indicates. The numbered names following the wives are the wives’ other husbands. Married in Utah: 1850's 45. 1852 Oct. 3 Eliza Burgess, 1827-1915 46. 1852 Dec. 16 Mary Oldfield, 1793--1875 (1) Eli Kelsey 47. before 1853 Eliza Babcock, 1828-68 (2) Dominucus Carter (3) John Groves 48. 1855 June 10 Catherine Reese, 1804-60 (1) Zepheniah Clawson 49. 1856 March 14 Harriet Barney, 1830-1911 (1) W.H.H. Sagers 1. 1824 Oct. 8 Miriam Works, 1806-32 2. 1834 Feb. 10 Mary Ann Angel, 1808-82 Married during Joseph Smith's life 3. 1842 June 14 Lucy Ann Decker, 1822-90 (1) William Seeley 4. 1843 Nov. 2 Augusta Adams, 1802-86 (1) Henry Cobb 5. 1843 Nov. 2 Harriet Cook, 1824-98 6. 1844 May 8 Clarissa Decker, 1828-89 Married in Utah: 1860's 50. 1863 Jan, 24 Amelia Folsom, 1838-1910 51. 1865 Jan. 8 Mary Van Cott, 1844-84 (1) James T. Cobb 52. 1868 April 7 Ann Eliza Webb, 1844-not known (1) James L. Dee (3) Moses R. Deming 53. 1869 July 3 Elizabeth Jones, 1814-95 (1) David T. Lewis (2) Dan Jones Married before completion of Nauvoo Temple 7. 1844 Sept. Emily Dow Partridge, 1824-99 (1) Joseph Smith 8. 1844 Sept. 10 Clarissa Ross, 1814-57 9. 1844 Sept. 19 Louisa Beaman, 1815-50 (1) Joseph Smith 10. 1844 Oct. 3 Eliza Roxey Snow, 1804-87 (1) Joseph Smith 11. 1844 Oct. 3 Elizabeth Fairchild, 1828-1910 (2) James D. Lyman (3) Joseph McMurray (4) James Matthews (5) W. L. Chastain 12. 1844 Oct. 8 Clarissa Blake, 1796-not known 13. 1844 Oct. 9 Rebecca Holman, 1824-49 14. 1844 Oct. 10 Diana Chase, 1827-86 (2) William M. Shaw 15. 1844 Oct. 31 Susannah Snively, 1815-92 16. 1844 Nov. 7 Olive Gray Frost, 1816-45 17. 1845 Jan. 15 Mary Ann Clark, 1816-not known (1) Mr. Powers 18. 1845 Jan. 16 Margaret Pierce, 1823-1907 (1) Morris Whitesides 19. 1845 Jan. 16 Mary Pierce, 1821-47 20. 1845 April 30 Emmeline Free, 1826-75 21. 1845 May 22 Mary Elizabeth Rollins, 1818-191 (1) Adam Lightner (2) Joseph Smith Married in Utah: 1870's 54. 1870 May 8 Lydia Farnsworth, 1808-97 (1) Elijah Mayhew 55. 1872 Dec. 8 Hannah Tapfield, 1807-86 (1) Thomas O. King http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/b... Using Mormon Church Websites To Show Their Lies Article Archived: Jan 15, 2008, at 08:17 AM Stored Under Topic: JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY, POLYANDRY (click Topic Name for More Articles) Outside Link To Article: RIGHT CLICK - COPY LINK LOCATION Original Author Of Article: Struggle_within Married after completion of Nauvoo Temple 22. 1846 Jan. 14 Margaret Alley, 1825-52 23. 1846 Jan. 15 Olive Andrews, 1818-not known (1) Joseph Smith 24. 1846 Jan. 15 Emily Haws, 1823-not known (1) William Whitmarsh 25. 1846 Jan. 21 Martha Bowker, 1822-90 26. 1846 Jan. 21 Ellen Rockwood, 1829-66 27. 1846 Jan. 28 Jemima Angel, 1803-69 (1) Valentine Young 28. 1846 Jan. 28 Abigail Marks, 1781-1846 (1) Asa Works 29. 1846 Jan. 28 Phebe Morton, 1776-1854 (1) James W. Angel 30. 1846 Jan. 28 Cynthia Porter, 1783-not known (1) Mr. Weston 31. 1846 Jan. 31 Mary Eliza Nelson, 1812-85 (1) John P. Greene (3) Bruce 1. Philips 32. 1846 Jan. 31 Rhoda Richards, 1784-1879 (1) Joseph Smith 33. 1846 Feb. 2 Zina Huntington, 1821-1901 (1) Henry Jacobs 34. 1846 Feb. 3 Amy Cecilia Cooper, 1804-not known not known The LDS website says that Zina Huntngton was married to Brigham Young after she was widowed by her first husband (total BS). They never allude to the fact that she was married to Joseph Smith. They also don't tell you that when both Brigham and Joseph married her she was still married to and living with Henry Jacobs. So lets use two church websites to contradict each other and show the lying and whitewashing of history the Morg does. The Lie is here: http://www.lds.org/pa/display/0,17884... The truth is here: http://www.familysearch.org In the Search Fields type Zina 21 Huntington Birth/Christening 1821 Exact Year United States New York There you will see a list of husbands showing that she was married to Henry Jacobs 7 mos before she married Joseph Smith and 5 yrs before she married Brigham Young. To prove that she wasn't widowed by Jacobs you only need click on his name to bring up his records verifying that he died in 1866 much later than the 1846 marriage to Brigham. Lying Bastards. 22