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[IEEE 802.15 WG meeting minutes]
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[WG minutes for the July Plenary in Vancouver, BC]
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Monday July 8, 2002
802.15 Opening Plenary
3:00pm Bob Heile opened the WPAN Full Working Group meeting.
Document 02244r1P802.15_WG July 0 meeting objectives and agenda.
Bob asked David Cypher to come up and receive a plaque for his participation in 802.15.1
Approve/modify the 802.15 Opening Plenary agenda
no additions from the .15 group
no modifications proposed to the agende
move to approve 802.15 Opening July 02 agenda Reed/paula, passed by unamious concent.
move to approve Sydeny minutes Reed/Bains, approved by unamious consent
3:05pm Bob discussed Coexistence issues, a proposal is on the table to create a transitional policy
statement so that the work in the pipeline does not stop due to coexistence issues. This policy statement
will provide us with a consistent coexistence policy statement. There is more outside 802 that interferes
than within 802. All the groups are dealing with coexistence comments in the comment resolution process.
3:13pm Bob Huang provided a report on ETSI Technical Committee ERM TG31A activity on UWB to write
european guidelines for regulatory bodies to use UWB devices.
3:19pm Eric Schylander provided a Bran 29 meeting liason report. The BRAN, 5 ghz ad-hoc BRAN29
meeting BRAN29 occured last week July 2002. UWB sharing of specturm was the main cencern
interference studies BRAB29do25 (IYU contribution. SE24 item, FCC mask might cause interference.
WRC2006 item?
WNG requirements review BRAB25d122 nd BRAN22d084 Improvements to provide global momadic
roaming, scalabilty, flexibility, wider range of data rates, and IPv6 compatible.
3:28pm access to all the BRAN documents is at 802.15 document archive on the 802.15 web page.
3:31pm Bob Heile went through the Liason assigments:
Bluetooth
Tom Siep
TG31a
Bob Huang
BRAN to Next Generation Jamshid Khun-Jush
BRAN to 15.3
Erik Schylander
11e
Jay Bain
11g
Jayhan Karaoguz
11i
Dan Bailey
11SC-WNG
Tim Blaney
802.18
open
John Barr asked if there are Liasons for Zigbee and Wimedia.
Bob Heile will take liason work for Zigby, will John Barr take liason work for Wimedia?
3:40pm Bob Heile recessed the meeting.
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Wednesday July 10, 2002
10:34am Bob Heile opened the WPAN Full Working Group meeting.
Bob review Document 02244r2P802-15_WG_July-0-Meeting-Objectives-and-Agenda for Wednesday.
Alfvin/Barr motion to approve the Wednesday WPAN Full Working Group meeting agenda, approved by
unanamoious consent.
Outstanding Document List reviewed by Bob Heile..
201, 202, 220, 230, 234, 242, 242, 248, 259, 291, 302, 303313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 320, 322, 323, 324,
325.
10:46am Status of TG2 Draft, Steve Shellhammer.
Document IEEE 802.15-02/256r1
Working on comment resolution, comment database is on MARS server.
There will be a Move on Friday to apply resolutions to the draft Recommendation Document.
10:49am Status of TG3 Draft, James Gilb.
Document IEEE 802.15-02/272r1
Formed a Ballot Resolution Committee.
Will resolve the "easy ones" via e-mail and ad-hoc meeting announced for Schaumburg, August 6-8.
Hot button issues listed in document 02/273r1
There will be a motion on Friday for conditional approval.
Rick Roberts asked if John Barr would go over the conditional approval motion coming up on Friday.
The issue is a one-time recirc ballot
Bob says on MARS there is a folder labeled 802/ folder New Rules, Procedure 10 goes over "conditional
approval".
we must document as much as we can the technical issues.
10:55am Status of TG4 Draft, Jose Gutierrez
No document was presented.
Verbal update
Comment resolution activity is ongoing this week.
Have resolved 1/3 of the comments.
Hope to go out for recirc in August 02.
10:57am Status of SG3a, Rick Roberts
No document was presented
Verbal update
PAR and 5 Criteria is in Bob Heile's hands
Doc 104 is a low priority doc, mostly done
Doc 105 needs a lot of work so will be worked on the reminder of this week.
Channel model presentations (12 contributions from 9 contributors) were given earlier this week.
The schedule will be worked on tomorrow, come to WG in Sept. for approval to go to EXCOM for TG
status.
Dispute about call for proposals before or after TG status.
11:00am Status of Marketing/PR group Jim
Overview of WECA activity, dropping Wi-Fi 5 trademark
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Friday Morning July 12, 2002
11:12am 802.18 will not be making any motions this week according to Carl Stevenson.
11:10am Bob Heile reminder, Bob has received the sponsor ballot pool for TG4, many .15 folks are not in
the pool.
So go to the SA site and register for all the wireless ballot pools.
Bob shows 50 currently validated members in the TG4 ballot pool, which will be gone through for
"balance".
11:15am Bob says that there has been an issue about meeting "quorums" of all the .15 meetings we have
held we have always had an official quorum except at one meeting. There is a discussion going on at the
SEC level concerning changing the time period (number of interims and plenarys attended within a year)
for obtaining voting rights.
There is a rule where on letter ballots if a voter abstains due to lack of time, and that if the voter does this
twice in a row, that the voter can loose his/her voting rights, Bob has not been enforcing this in the past,
but it will be enforced from this point onward.
11:25am Bob asked if there are any other issues from the floor, none heard
11:26am Bob recessed the meeting.
8:03am Bob called the meeting to order
Document 02/224r2 Friday agenda was displayed.
Bob asked all interested parties to sign up for the wireless ballot pool at the SA webside
Bob asked if there were any additions to the agenda, none were heard, Jim Allen/Rick Alfvin move/second
to approve agenda, agenda approved.
8:07am Jose Gutierrez presented the TG4 Closing report 02/263r0.
Only 300 editorial comments remain in the LB18 comment resolution process, Technical and TR
comments are all resolved/closed.
Plan is to finish all the remaining LB18 comments within the next month.
8:16am Bob Heile presented document 02/329r0 Schedule for confiemation ballot and resolution meeting
process for TG4.
Bob made a motion to the working group “Move to seek conditional approval from the SEC to forward
IEEE P802.14.4 Draft to Sponser Ballot per Procedure 10 of the LMSC rules dated November 2001
Jose/ Jim Allen 29/0/4 Motion Carries.
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Motion made to to empower the Sept mtg. to act upon the results fo the confirmation ballot for TG4
Moved/Seconded by James/Alfvin 27/0/7 Motion Carries.
8:24am Jim Allen presented document 02/262r1 TG3 Closing Report
August 6-6 ad hoc meeting for the Ballot Resolution Committee was set.
Editorial comments to be resolved by editor in preparation for second recirculation ballot.
Motion made to Authorize802.15 TG3 20-day recirculation letter ballot following BRC completion of
comment resolution for LB17. Starts August 16 and ends September 5.
Moved/Seconded by Allen/Gilb
Any objections to the motion – none
Hearing no objections motion carries by unanimous consent.
8:34am Bob gave us an update on TG1 and the ISO process.
IEEE is viewed nationwide as the International Standards Body so adding the ISO to the standard was of
little benefit.
The IEEE 802.15.1 2002 standard will become the normative standard for Bluetooth.
8:36am Jim Meyer presented a PC report. No closing report document was presented.
Conference calls will take place between now and the Sept. Interim.
8:38am Steve Shellhammer presented document 02/261r0 TG2 Closing Report
LB 14 in obtained 79.3% approval, LB31 in 802.11 garnered a 71% approval.
Motion was made to Apply comment resolution database 02/219r5 and 02/236r5 to draft version D05
producing version D06 to be sent out for a 20 day IEEE 802.15 Working Group Recirculation Letter Ballot.
Moved/Seconded by Shellhammer/Cypher. Passed by unanimous consent.
8:42am Rick Roberts presented document 02/264r2 SG3a Closing Report
Passed unanimously to approve charter renewal within 802.15 SG3a
Motion made This is a motion to ask 802.15 to renew the 802.15.SG3a alternate PHY study group charter
for another four months.
Moved/Seconded by Roberts/Allen
Motion passed by unanimous consent.
Entertain a motion to empower the 802.15 WG to take action on the recommended par and 5 critera
submitted by SG3a at the Monterey meeting.
Moved/Seconded by Allen/Heberling
Motion carries by unanimous consent
In addition a Motion was made to empower the 802.15 WG to take action on the results of the next
recirculation ballot for TG3.
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Moved/Seconded by Gilb/Allen
Motion carries by unanimous consent
8:51am Rick Roberts went through the highlights of the SG3a PAR and 5 Criteria document 02/103r7.
Steve Shellhammer made the comment that it appears that there is no backward compatibility
requirement for SG3a, and that 110Mb/s is mentioned by so is 400 Mb/s, what is the highest rate? Rick
said it is 200 Mb/s at 4 meters.
And an additional comment was made by Rick that this is a Study Group for an alternate PHY for TG# and
that UWB is only one candidate .
9:02a, Jim Lansford presented document IEEE COEX 02/025r1 the IEEE 802 Coexistence Study Group
Summary. The minutes are in document COEX-02024r0_Coexistence_Meeting_Mminutes_Vancouver.
Developing:
Mission Statement
Statement of scope and purpose
Definition of coexistence
Summary of current standards where coexistence is an issue
Recommendations to SEC
Attendees at first meeting (November) will gain automatic voting status
9:13am Jay Bain presented document 02/266r0 802.11 TGe Liaison Report
9:21am Dan Bailey presented document 02/269r0 802.11 TGi Liason Report.
9:24am Jayhan Karaoguz presented document 02/267r0 802.11 TGg Liason Report
A new letter ballot (LB#2) based on the 802.11g Draft 3.0 is expected out soon.
9:33am Tim Blaney presented document 02/268r0 on the 802.11 WNG Liason Report
This group plans to discuss future WLAN directions and global standardization at the September meeting
in Monterey.
9:46am Benno Ritter presented document 02/330r0 JEDIC Report.
This group is working on standardizing interfaces between RF-BB and MAC-PHY.
9:55am Carl Stevenson presented document (will become an 802.18 number as a report to 802.15, but
not given) 18-02-019r0 RR_TAG_802.11 by Denis Kuwahara was displayed.
First official meeting was held during this week in Vancouver.
Previously a Task Group of 802.11
Authorized in March 02 acted in Ad-hoc mode in May02
Current membership 21 attendees total, 15 voting members, attendees at this meeting in Vancouver
became voting members.
Motion moved to approve 18-02-13d8_cmts_FCC_Spect_Pol_TF.doc, empowering the Chair of 802.18 to
do editorial changes and update revision numbers as required and to present the document to the SEC for
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approval as an IEEE 802 filing with the FCC.
Moved/Seconded by Stevenson/Rypinski
This document is a response to the FCC from IEEE 802 on how spectrum can be used more effectively.
Motion carried by unanimous consent.
Moved approve 18-02-016r0_Rep_Cmts_ARRL_Resp_to_Opp.doc, empowering the Chair of 802.18 to do
editorial changes and update revision numbers as required and to present the document to the SEC for
approval as an IEEE 802 filing with the FCC
Moved/Seconded by Stevenson/Allen
Motion approved by unanimous consent
Moved Approve 18-02-017d0_Cmts_on_WAC_115_WRC_AI I.5.doc, empowering the Chair of 802.18 to
do editorial changes and update revision numbers as required and to present the document to the SEC for
approval as an IEEE 802 filing with the FCC.
Moved/Seconded by Stevenson/Allen
Bob asked if there was any discussion on the motion.
Matt Welborn asks why Carl is asking 802.15 to approve this document when the document was created
by an industry group which has not been friendly toward UWB technology when 802.15 is looking into
using UWB technology within our SG3a group as an alternative PHY to TG3.
Carl says that he is just asking for 802.15 to approve the IEEE 802 comments not the industry position on
this matter.
Rypinski spoke in favor of this motion and to have faith in Carl.
Matt asked if there were any comments in this document about UWB?
Carl says that this document does not specifically mention UWB and that this is a get the spectrum now or
forget about it thing. Getting spectrum now is very important to the industry.
Motion approved by unanimous consent
10:24am Bob displayed the list of Liaison People
Bluetooth
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BRAN to Next Generation Jamshid Khun-Jush
BRAN to 15.3
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11e
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Jayhan Karaoguz
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11SC-WNG
Tim Blaney
jedec
Benno Ritter
802.18
Darren
A motion was made to approve this slate of Liaison People by the 802.15 WG
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Moved Allen/Stevenson
Approved by unanimous consent
10:29am Bob reminded us that the September meeting will be in Monterey, CA on the week of
September 9-13.
10:30am Bob reviewed the doc list
Documents 201, 202, 230w, 234w, 241, 242, 261, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 269 , 291w, 303, 308, 313, 31,
315, 317w, 322, 324, 328, 329 were sought after by Bob from the authors.
10:35am New Business
Formalize the change of the SEC closing meeting shifted from Thursday evening to Friday 1-6pm, .11, 15,
and .17 are the primary chairs for wanting to close our Plenarys on Friday morning rather than Thusday
evenings.
Bob asked the WG for our views on closing the meeting on Friday morning, vote was 29/0/2
All in favor of having our closing plenary on Thursday night, vote was 0
Motion adjourn Allen/Gilb
10:40am Meeting is adjourned
Final 802.15 July 02 Vancouver Meeting Attendance
Roster (dated Friday July 12, 2002)
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Akahane
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Bain
Baker
Barr
Batliwala
Batra
Bentzion
Blaney
Boehike
Bose
Bottoms
Bourgeois
Brabenac
Brummer
First
Jon
Roberto
Masaaki
Richard
James
Arun
Naiel
Daniel
Jay
James
John
Edul
Anuj
Tomer
Timothy J.
Kenneth
Pratik
Stan
Monique
Chuck
Robert
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Chaplin
Chindapol
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Cypher
Dacus
Dahl
Dombrowski
Drory
DuVal
Dydyk
Ellis
Foerster
Furuno
Gandolfo
Ghassemzadeh
Ghazi
Gilb
Gillis
Golmie
Gorokhov
Greer
Gutierrez
Haine
Harada
Heberling
Herold
Hessen-Schmidt
Hlasny
Hosur
Huang
Huang
Huckabee
Igler
Ishii
Izadpanah
Jakusovszky
Jamieson
Jeon
Ji
Jong-Hun
Jorgensen
Karaoguz
Kawakami
Ed
Soo-Young
Clint
Aik
Wm. Caldwell
David
Farron L.
Peter
Kai
Alon
Mary
Michael
Jason
Jeff
David
Pierre
Saeed
Vafa
James
Gregory
Nada
Alexei
Kerry
Jose
John
Yasuo
Allen
Barry
Bent
Daryl
Srinath
Mark
Bob
Laura L.
Eran
Katsumi
Hossein
Mark
Phil
Ho-In
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Park
Thomas
Jeyhan
Eiichiro
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Lieman
Maa
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McCambridge
McInnis
Michelson
Miller
Miura
Mizukami
Molisch
Mondragon
Morelli
Moridi
Mulhens
Naeve
Ngo
Nielsen
Obara
Odman
Ogawa
Pardee
Pendergrass
Poor
Popescu
Press
Puhl
Rasor
Reede
Ritter
Roberts
Roberts
Roberts
Rofheart
Rogers
Rouzet
Rypinski
Santhoff
Schrader
Joy H.
Yongsuk
Gunter
Tomohisa
Jim
David G.
Liang
Daniel
Yeong-Chang
Ralph
Paul
Michael D.
David
Leonard
Akira
Hiroyuki
Andreas
Antonio
Tony
Said
Oliver
Marco
Chiu Y.
Henry
Kei
Knut
Hiroyo
Jack
Marcus
Robert D.
Paul
Mike
Larry
Gregg
Ivan
Benno
Glyn
Richard
William
Martin
Chris
Philippe
Chandos
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Udagawa
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Watanabe
Welborn
Wilson
Wood
Woodrow
Wu
Yamaguchi
Yew
Yung
Tom
Erik
Michael
Stephen J.
Nick
Byung-Cheal
Guy
Gadi
Bill
Michael
Kazimierz
Rene
Michael
Kazuhisa
Larry
Ahmed
Akira
Tomoyuki
Steven
Brad
Yoshinori
Fujio
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Richard
Stephen
Edward G.
Frank
Hirohisa
Tan Pek
Hon Mo
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