MINUTES SSPC 62.1 Ventilation for Acceptable Indoor Air Quality January 21-22, 2012 Chicago, Illinois Approved By Chair: 2/24/2012 Approved By SSPC: 6/23/2012 1 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 TABLE OF CONTENTS Index of Major Motions .................................................................................................................... 3 Action Items ....................................................................................................................................... 5 Attendance ......................................................................................................................................... 6 I. Call to Order / Introductions .............................................................................................. 7 II. Review of Agenda ................................................................................................................. 7 III. Approval of Minutes ............................................................................................................ 7 IV. Chair’s Report ...................................................................................................................... 7 V. Staff Report/Comments ....................................................................................................... 8 VI. Education Subcommittee Report and Actions ................................................................... 9 VII. Administration Subcommittee Report and Actions ........................................................ 12 VIII. Recess................................................................................................................................... 16 IX. Call to Order/Introductions .............................................................................................. 17 X. Liaison Reports / Comments ............................................................................................. 17 XI. Technical Committee Liaison Reports ............................................................................. 18 XII. Education Subcommittee Actions ..................................................................................... 18 XIII. Administrative Subcommittee Actions ............................................................................. 21 XIV. New Business ....................................................................................................................... 30 XV. Adjournment……………………………………………………………..….…………...30 ATTACHMENTS ............................................................................................................................ 31 2 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 Index of Major Motions January 21-22, 2012 Chicago, Illinois Motion # Page # 1 7 2 14 2A 14 3 14 4 15 5 15 6 19 7 19 8 22 9 22 10 23 Motions Approve the minutes of the June 25-26, 2011 Montreal meeting. (Rogers/Habibi) MOTION 1 PASSED 11-0-1-5 CV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the request for an official interpretation from Dwane Painter. (Hedrick) MOTION 2 PASSED 12-0-1-4 CNV Approve adding the following sentence to the comment in the response to the request for an official interpretation from Dwane Painter: “During morning warm-up, prior to expected occupancy, no ventilation airflow is required.” (Hedrick/Fisher) MOTION 2A PASSED 12-0-1-4 CNV To change the Administration Subcommittee response to the request for an official interpretation from Matt Sink to “No”, provided clarification within the comments section, and to approve the revised response. (Rogers/Stache) MOTION 3 PASSED 12-0-1-4 CNV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the request for an official interpretation from Reid Hart #1. (Hedrick) MOTION 4 PASSED 12-0-1-4 CNV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the request for an official interpretation from Reid Hart #2. (Hedrick) MOTION 5 PASSED 12-0-1-4 CNV The Education Subcommittee moves to approve the updated PowerPoint presentation. (Thomann) MOTION 6 PASSED 11-0-1-5 CNV The Education Subcommittee moves to approve and submit to the Programs Committee the 62.1 program plans for San Antonio (June 2012). (Thomann) MOTION 7 PASSED 11-0-1-5 CNV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the advisory public review (APR) of draft Addendum DA-27. (Hedrick) MOTION 8 PASSED 11-0-1-5 CNV Approve the publication public review of draft Addendum DA-28. (Herrmann/Habibi) MOTION 9 FAILED 0-11-1-5 CNV, No Continuation Letter Ballot Needed. To rescind the previous vote for publication and discontinue Addendum 62.1g. (Rogers/Herrmann) MOTION 10 PASSED 10-0-1-6 CNV 3 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 11 23 12 23 12A 23 24 13 26 14 27 15 27 16 27 17 27 17A 28 17B 28 28 18 29 To approve the response to reject the comment from Dennis Stanke on the 1st public review of Addendum 62.1g. (Fisher/Herrmann) MOTION 11 PASSED 11-0-1-5 CNV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the 1st publication public review of draft Addendum DA-45, subject to review by project committee members and the possibility of adding language to the draft addendum. (Hedrick) To amend Motion 12 to add an exception to Class 4 air replacing the draft Addendum DA-45 requirements with those established by several members of the Administration Subcommittee. (Rogers/Fisher) MOTION 12A PASSED 11-0-1-5 CNV AMENDED MOTION 12 OPEN (9-2-2-4 CNV, Pending a Continuation Letter Ballot to Absent Members.) To modify the approved program plans for San Antonio (June 2012) to replace the seminar on rate rationale with a forum on energy recovery in laboratories and move the rate rational seminar to Dallas (January 2013). (Thomann/Rogers) MOTION 13 PASSED 12-0-1-4 CNV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the changes to the language in the 2nd public review of Addendum 62.1b. (Hedrick) MOTION 14 PASSED 12-0-1-4 CNV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the changes to the language in the 2nd public review of Addendum 62.1b as editorial. (Hedrick) MOTION 15 PASSED 10-2-1-4 CNV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the responses to reject the comments on the 2nd public review of Addendum 62.1b. (Hedrick) MOTION 16 PASSED 12-0-1-4 CNV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the publication public review of draft Addendum DA-44. (Hedrick) To amend Motion 17 to delete “…and each contaminant mixture...” from the 2nd sentence in Section 6.3.1 of draft Addendum DA-44 (2 places). (Rogers/Rothstein) MOTION 17A PASSED 9-0-1-7 CNV To amend Motion 17 to make changes to Section 6.3.2 by deleting the 2nd sentence and replacing “threshold limit value” with “concentration limit” and “no greater than unity” with “no greater than one” in the 3rd sentence of draft Addendum DA-44. (Rogers/Thomann) MOTION 17B PASSED 10-0-1-6 CNV AMENDED MOTION 17 OPEN (9-1-1-6 CNV, Pending a Continuation Letter Ballot to Absent Members.) The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the 2nd publication public review of Addendum 62.1f. (Hedrick) 4 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 19 29 20 29 21 29 MOTION 18 OPEN (10-0-1-6 CNV, Pending a Continuation Letter Ballot to Absent Members) The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the commenter (accepted as modified) on the 1st public review of Addendum 62.1f. (Hedrick) MOTION 19 PASSED 10-0-1-6 CNV The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the 2nd publication public review of Addendum 62.1h. (Hedrick) MOTION 20 OPEN (10-0-1-6 CNV, Pending a Continuation Letter Ballot to Absent Members) The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the commenters (accepted as modified) on the 1st public review of Addendum 62.1h. (Hedrick) MOTION 19 PASSED 10-0-1-6 CNV (Secretary’s Note: All votes recorded in these minutes are formatted as “Yes-No-Abstain-Absent”. CNV – Denotes Chair Not Voting; CV – Denotes Chair Voting. In cases where the vote is noted with CNV, the Chair abstained from the vote.) Action Items from Chicago 2012 AI # 1 2 3 Action Staff liaison to post the latest version of the rate rationale spreadsheet on the members only section of the SSPC 62.1 website. The Chair to forward the code change information from the Education Subcommittee to Steve Ferguson at ASHRAE Headquarters. The Education Subcommittee is to look into updating Appendix B of Standard 62.1. Assigned to Status Weber OPEN Hedrick OPEN Howard OPEN Assigned to Status Action Items from Montreal 2011 AI # Action 1 Education Subcommittee to follow-up on 1450-WS. Howard COMPLETE 2 Laura Petrillo of AHRI to follow-up on 1630-RTAR. Petrillo COMPLETE 5 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 ATTENDANCE SSPC 62.1 MEETING OF JANUARY 21-22, 2012 CHICAGO, ILLINOIS MEMBERS PRESENT 1/21 1/22 1/21 Liaisons Clements, Waller TC 9.2 Liaison Emmerich, Steve SPLS Liaison Muller, Christopher TC 2.3 Liaison PCVMs Hedrick, Roger Chair McFarland, John Vice-Chair Schrecengost, Randy TC 8.10 Liaison Aguilar, Hugo OM-IAPMO Sekhar, Chandra TC 4.3 Liaison Buttner, Mark X Seyffer, Charles TC 2.4 Liaison Wellford, Bede TC 5.5 Liaison X X X Damiano, Len X X Fisher, Joe X X Habibi, Hamid X X Consultants Green, Diane Subcommittee Education Herrmann, Donald X X Grimsrud, David Education Howard, Eli Int-Hout, Daniel Administration Rogers, Lisa X X Muller, Christopher Education Rothstein, Duane X X Persily, Andy Education Sekhar, Chandra X X Schoen, Larry Administration Smith, Jeffrey X X Stanke, Dennis Administration Stache, Kirk X X Sun, Christine Administration Thomann, Wayne X X Wargocki, Pawel Williams, Scott OM-SMACNA PSVMs Berlin, Gary Subcommittee Administration Bohanon, Hoy Education Brunner, Greg Administration Chaves, Gustavo Education Chisholm, James Education Clements, Waller Education Gallen, Kevin Gress, Gregg Ho, Nathan X Petrillo, Laura X X X X Madani, Bashar McGuire, Molly Administration Niu, Jianlei Administration Seyffer, Charles Administration X Sheinman, Harris Administration X Stanley, Brad Education X X 1/21 1/22 X X X X X X 1/21 X 1/22 Brad Nick David Berlin, Cascia, Gary Mark Cochran, Brad Cochrane, Conklin, Darwich, Doug Nick Abdel Dias, David Fischer, John University of Idaho SEMCO CPP Wind Engineering Wortec Siemens Building Technologies CPP Wind Engineering Carrier Canada Mitsubishi Electric Guttmann & Blaevoet Sheet Metal Workers Local 104 SEMCO Hundt, Roger Lennox Industries X Koop, Ed Ruskin Company X Massali, Hamid Systemair X Poirier, Bertrand Systemair X Roseberrg, Jeffrey Strestha, Sam Wiley, Josiah Pro Mark Associates, Inc. Oak Ridge National Lab Ruskin Company X X X Acker, Ahopian, Banks, X X Administration OM-ICC Administration Education OM-AHRI Administration Education X X GUESTS PRESENT X X 1/22 X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X STAFF PRESENT OM – Organizational Membership Weber, 6 Mark Assistant Manager of StandardsAmerican SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 SSPC 62.1 January 21, 2012 In these minutes only the motions voted by the Project Committee will be recorded and only discussion necessary for the clarification of the motion will be included. All motions and agenda items are presented in the section of the minutes that corresponds with the numerical order of the agenda. The agenda order may not have been followed. I. Call to Order / Introductions The Chair, Roger Hedrick, called the meeting of SSPC 62.1 to order at 1:30 p.m. at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago, Illinois. The Chair had all members and guests introduce themselves indicating their affiliation. The staff liaison determined that a quorum was present. A record of member and guest attendance is provided on the preceding page and member and guest sign in sheets are included as an attachment to these minutes. II. ATTACHMENT A - Member and Guest Sign In Sheets (1/21-22/2012) Review of Agenda The Chair reviewed the agenda and asked if there were any additions or deletions. The Chair indicated that the request for an official interpretation from Fischer was withdraw and that the voting roster on the agenda was corrected. There were no other changes to the agenda. Copies of the agenda were made available to members and guests. III. ATTACHMENT B – SSPC 62.1 Chicago Agenda Approval of Minutes The Chair asked if there were any changes to the Montreal 2011 meeting minutes; there were none. It was moved by Lisa Rogers and seconded by Hamid Habibi: 1 Approve the minutes of the June 25-26, 2011 Montreal meeting. MOTION 1 PASSED 11-0-11-5 CV. (Hand count) (Secretary’s Note: Minutes were available for review on the Members Only section of the SSPC 62.1 website at http://sspc621.ashraepcs.org.) IV. 1 Chair’s Report Reasons for abstentions: Duane Rothstein – Did not attend the SSPC 62.1 meeting in Montreal. 7 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 a. Intervening Letter Ballots: The following is a list of the continuation letter ballots for publication public review (PPR) that followed the Montreal meeting in June 2011: 62.1f (2010) (DA32a – Default Value for Vpz) - Continuation ballot to approve the 1st publication public review. Addendum f received 1 comment from 1 commenter. 62.1g (2010) (DA39 – Space Type Selection from Tables 6-1 or 6-4) – Continuation ballot to approve the 1st publication public review. Addendum g received 1 comment from 1 commenter. 62.1h (2010) (DA43 – Gym and Sports Arena Space Type) – Continuation ballot to approve the 1st publication public review of Addendum h. Addendum h received 2 comments from 2 commenters. Response to Fischer request for an official interpretation – Motion failed and the response was not approved. Fischer submitted a continuous maintenance proposal and has since withdrawn the request for interpretation. (Secretary’s Note: The public review draft of Addenda 62.1f (2010), 62.1g(2010) and 62.1h (2010) were posted on the ASHRAE website for review and comment during the fall 2011 public review period which began September 16, 2011. ) b. Addenda Status (62.1-2010). 62.1b – Four public review comments from four commenters 62.1f – One public review comment 62.1g – One public review comment 62.1h – Two public review comments from two commenters c. Unofficial Interpretations. The Chair indicated that he periodically receives requests for unofficial (personal) interpretations of the standard and had responded to three recently. Ventilation of storage rooms Ventilation of natatoriums Dynamic reset d. Voting Roster. Hedrick, McFarland, Aguilar, Buttner, Damiano, Fisher, Habibi, Herrmann, Howard (SMACNA), Rogers, Rothstein, Sekhar, Smith, Stache, Thomann, Wargocki, and Williams. Currently there are seventeen (17) voting members (PCVMs). V. Staff Report / Comments a. Bio and Bias of Conflict Note Book/Sign-in. The staff liaison reported that the Bio and Bias/Conflict of Interest notebook (purple notebook) was currently available. Staff reminded everyone to keep their Bio and Bias/Conflict form up to date as well as their contact information. 8 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 A member and guest sign-up sheet was circulated. b. Review of Action Items. According to the Montreal minutes there were two open action items. All previous action items are complete. AI #1 – Eli Howard. COMPLETE. Received an e-mail update from Eli Howard on January 13, 2012. WS-1450 was reviewed by RAC in Las Vegas and was returned to SSPC 62.2 with comments for revision. The work statement was reviewed again by RAC in Montreal and was again returned to SSPC 62.2 with comments. In Chicago 2012 the RAC Research Liaison will follow-up with SSPC 62.2 to see if they intend to continue with this topic or drop it. AI #2 – Laura Petrillo. COMPLETE. Staff Liaison reported that RTAR-1630 was reviewed by RAC in Las Vegas 2011 and returned to TC 5.11 for the second time with the following comments: (1) provide justification for the budget amount, (2) project objectives still lacking in detail and specifics, and (3) provide descriptions of the proposed tasks to be performed under the project. SSPC 62.1 website update: There is a “Members Only” section of the website that includes a copy of the official SSPC 62.1 roster, organizational chart, PDF and Word versions of Standard, Word versions of addenda, and an addenda status report. Any member of SSPC 62.1 that needs the username and password should contact the staff liaison, Mark Weber. (Secretary’s Note: PC Chairs can no longer allow anyone other than PC members to view Bio and Bias of Conflict information and this information may not be copied by any member to which it is shown. This information is treated as sensitive and confidential material. See Section 4.8.3.2 of PC MOP.) (Secretary’s Note: SSPC 62.1 website http://sspc621.ashraepcs.org.) VI. Education Subcommittee Report and Actions Eli Howard, Education Subcommittee Chair, was not present. In his absence Wayne Thomann reported on the following items from the Friday, January 19th and Saturday, January 20th, subcommittee meeting minutes. a. Chicago Programs. Wayne reported that during the Saturday morning subcommittee meeting they focused on programs and code change proposals. SSPC 62.1 was cosponsoring one program in Chicago, Seminar 51, Indoor Air Quality in Green Building Programs: Are They Really Serious About it? (Wednesday, January 25th, from 11:00 a.m. – 12:30 p.m.). Presenters are Andy Persily, Hoy Bohanon, and Hal Levin. The Seminar is cosponsored with the Environmental Health Committee (EHC). A second program that was submitted for Chicago, a forum on high- and low-rise ventilation requirements, was not accepted, and it will be resubmitted for San Antonio in June 2012. 9 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 b. San Antonio 2012, and Beyond. Wayne indicated there would be a vote during the Sunday session to approve the programs for San Antonio 2012. San Antonio, TX, June 2012 1. Differences Between 62.1 and 62.2: Rationale for Their Residential Ventilation Requirements (Forum). Presenters: - Hoy Bohannon - Steve Emmerich 2. Effective use of Rate Rational and Spreadsheet (Seminar). Presenters: - Hoy Bohanon -Andy Persily - John McFarland -Jeff Smith (Chair) Dallas, TX, January 2013 and Beyond 1. Challenges of using IAQ Procedure in code (Forum). Presenters: - Dennis Stanke - Chris Muller as a source for other speakers c. Research Needs and Activities. The subcommittee is tracking the progress of three proposed projects. 1. The subcommittee proposes co-sponsoring 1450-WS with SSPC 62.2: 1450-WS, “Transport of Contaminants from Garage Attached or Integral to LowRise Residential Buildings”. Responsible Committee: SSPC 62.2; Co-Sponsors: TC 4.3. Status: This WS had been resubmitted to ASHRAE and was returned with additional comments at the Montreal meeting. The subcommittee has not received any additional communication regarding progress on addressing these comments and will contact Steve Emmerich for a status update. 2. The subcommittee proposes communicating with TC 5.11 to understand the intent of 1630-RTAR. Based on the objectives, the Committee may want to become a co-sponsor because of the potential inter-relationships with SSPC 62.1. 1630-RTAR, “Update the Scientific Evidence for Specifying Lower Limit Relative Humidity Levels for Comfort, Health, and IEQ in Occupied Spaces;” Responsible Committee: TC 5.11 (Humidifying Equipment). Status: Returned with comments. 3. 1639-RTAR, "Comparative Lab and Field Evaluation of Building Pressure Control Methods". Responsible Committee: TC 1.4 This RTAR is in development and pending a work statement submission from Len Damiano. c. Rate Rationale and Spreadsheet. The spreadsheet provides the rationale for the ventilation rates in Table 6-1 of Standard 62.1. The revised rationale and spreadsheet 10 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 was presented to the full committee in Montreal. The subcommittee considers this project complete and recommends that the minutes from the Chicago meeting reflect that the Committee accepted this document and will retain it as Committee reference material, which will be available on the Members Only website. e. Code Change Proposals to IMC (Update). ASHRAE has submitted several proposals to better ensure that both the IMC and IBC (Building Codes) are consistent with the requirements included in Standard 62.1-2010. ASHRAE asked for Committee input on two of these proposals. Code Change Proposal IMC 62-1: The proposed change involved substituting several values from Tables 6-1 and 6-4 in 62.1-2010 into Table 403.3 in the IMC Code. While there are some areas of inconsistency in the format and some of the values between the applicable tables (IMC 403.3 and 62.1-2010 Tables 6-1 and 6-4), the rates seem consistent and the subcommittee supports the majority of the changes except: 1. There is some concern with the doubling of CFM/Person in prison cells as it is it could lead to a substantial energy penalty for prisons. 2. Additional concerns exist around hotel lobbies and pre-function areas as there is a significant difference in the listed occupancy levels in the two tables. The rationale for these differences needs to be understood. 3. The subcommittee also suggests that ASHRAE attempt to substitute the existing Table IMC 403.1 for the current Table 6-2 from Standard 62.1-2010. 4. The subcommittee also suggests that ASHRAE attempt to substitute Section 6.2.5 from Standard 62.1-2010 for the existing IMC 403.3.2.3 with an additional reference to a “comparable method(s) of calculation” as a substitution for the current reference to Appendix A that is part of Standard 62.1-2010. Code Change Proposal IBC 62-1 Natural Ventilation: The subcommittee was asked to consider two possible methods to update the language related to natural ventilation with the objective of updating the IBC requirements to those of Standard 62.1-2010. One option was substituting all of the language from Section 6.4 Natural Ventilation Procedure in 62.1-2010 for the current language in Section 1203.4 in the IBC. The other option involved deleting all of the Natural Ventilation language from Section 1203.4 from the IBC and simply referencing Standard 62.1-2010 for details. After considerable discussion, the subcommittee recommends that ASHRAE submit the version with the 62.1 language inserted into the IBC. The rationale for this recommendation is that: 1. The reference approach would require IBC users to purchase ASHRAE Standard 62.1 as a reference. 11 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 2. It appears that the use of a reference to alternative information sources, rather than inclusion of complete Code language, is inconsistent with the approach used by the IBC. f. Chapter PowerPoint Presentations (Update). Wayne reported that most of the subcommittee activities for Friday focused on the PowerPoint presentation. The slides have been updated to the 2010 edition of Standard 62.1. There are some forty slides available. This will be brought forward for a full committee vote on Sunday. (See Attachment D) Education Subcommittee Attachments VII. ATTACHMENT C– Education Subcommittee Minutes for Friday, January 20, 2012 and Saturday, January 21, 2012 ATTACHMENT D – Update Chapter PowerPoint Presentation Administration Subcommittee Report and Actions John McFarland, Administration Subcommittee Chair, was not present. In his absence, Joe Fischer reported on the following that would come forward for a vote during the Sunday session: (1) draft Addendum DA-31 on refrigerated spaces, (2) a change proposal from John Fischer resulting in draft Addendum DA-45, and (3) responses to four requests for official interpretation. Joe summarized the general intent of each of the items on the list provide by John McFarland from the Friday Administration Subcommittee meeting. (See Attachment E) a. Responses to Public Review Comments. 62.1b – No action taken during the Friday subcommittee meeting. 62.1f – Comments accepted with minor changes. 2nd publication public review of Addendum 62.1f moving forward for full committee approval. See Attachment F. 62.1g – Comments accepted as submitted. The subcommittee recommends the changes are editorial. See Attachment G. 62.1h – Comments accepted with minor changes. 2nd publication public review of Addendum 62.1h moving forward for full committee approval. See Attachment H. b. Change Proposals and Expected Motions. John Fischer (CM 62.1-12-12-0002/001) - Accepted for public review as modified. 1st publication public review of draft Addendum DA-45. See Attachment I. Dennis Stanke (CM 62.1-11-12-0003/001-002) - Accepted for public review as modified. 1st publication public review of draft Addendum DA-44. See Attachment J. Harry Milliken (CM 62.1-11-12-0002/001) - No action taken. John McFarland will follow up with Milliken for additional information. 12 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 c. Request for Interpretation (RFI). Joe indicated the subcommittee had drafted responses to four requests for official interpretation. 62.1-2007 Dwane Painter – See Attachment K. 62.1-2010 John Fischer - Withdrawn by John Fisher on January 18, 2012. 62.1-2007 Matt Sink – See Attachment L. 62.1-2010 Reid Hart (2 requests) – See Attachments M and N. d. Addenda Status and Expected Motions. DA-27 (Low Humidity Limit) DA-28 (Section 6 General) DA-30 (Industrial Spaces) DA-31 (Refrigerated Spaces) – See Attachment O. DA-32b (Simplified VRP) DA-33 (Multiple Zone DCV) DA-34 (IAQP) DA-35 (Occupiable Space) DA-38 (Personal Microenvironments) DA-41 (Table 6-1 cleanup) DA-42 (VRP for existing buildings) Draft Addendum DA-45 resulted from the proposed change submitted by John Fischer (CM 62.1-12-12-0002/001). The proposed addendum provides an exception for the use of energy recovery wheels in laboratories. The exception would be limited to general purpose labs and not those doing extremely hazardous work. Draft Addendum DA-44 resulted from the proposed change submitted by Dennis Stanke (CM 62.1-11-12-0003/001 and 002). The proposed addendum adds language to the IAQ procedure for mixtures of contaminants. Roger Hedrick provided and update on the status of Addendum 62.1b. There were four comments from 4 commenters. One of the comments was supportive and did not require a response from the project committee. The committee must respond to the remaining three comments. Roger went on to summarize the comments and proposed changes for Addenda f, g, and h to Standard 62.1-2010. During the Saturday morning Administration Subcommittee meeting the subcommittee discussed draft Addenda DA-27 and DA-28. The subcommittee recommends an advisory public review (APR) for DA-27. They are proposing a 20% RH or greater for climate zones 5, 6, 7, and 8 in Standard 169 (Weather Data for Building Design Standards), at design heating conditions and occupancy. The APR will help the committee get feedback on the proposed change before a publication public review is recommended. In addition, the committee will not be required to respond to the comments submitted on the APR. 13 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 After presenting all of the Administration Subcommittee items to the full committee there were forty-five minutes remaining and Lisa Roger suggested the full committee take action on the requests for official interpretation. - Break Dwane Painter RFI – The Chair summarized the request from Dwane Painter. It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 2 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the request for an official interpretation from Dwane Painter. MOTION 2 PASSED 12-0-12-4 CNV. (Hand count) It was moved by Roger Hedrick and seconded by Joe Fisher: 2A Approve adding the following sentence to the comment in the response to the request for an official interpretation from Dwane Painter: “During morning warm-up, prior to expected occupancy, no ventilation airflow is required.” MOTION 2A PASSED 12-0-13-4 CNV (Hand count) Matt Sink RFI – Roger summarized the request from Matt Sink. Is it acceptable to recirculate toilet exhaust by cleaning the air? There is currently no language in the standard regarding re-cleaning exhaust air; the standard does allow cleaning of recirculated air. There was some concern over the subcommittee response to answer the question with a yes. This was likely done in error. It was moved by Lisa Rogers and seconded by Kirk Stache: 3 To change the Administration Subcommittee response to the request for an official interpretation from Matt Sink to “No”, provided clarification within the comments section, and to approve the revised response. (See Attachment P) MOTION 3 PASSED 12-0-14-4 CNV (Hand count) Reid Hart RFIs – Roger explained that RFI #1 from Reid Hart included six questions; three of which were “does it apply to the 2007 edition”. Request essentially deals with what is the short term shutoff condition for ventilation fans. 2 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 3 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 4 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 14 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 4 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the request for an official interpretation from Reid Hart #1. MOTION 4 PASSED 12-0-15-4 CNV. (Hand count) RFI #2 from Reid Hart requests clarification on whether or not it is acceptable to close off ventilation using occupancy sensors. There are three variations of the same question and again three questions on whether the RFI applies to the 2007 edition. It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 5 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the request for an official interpretation from Reid Hart #2. MOTION 5 PASSED 12-0-16-4 CNV. (Hand count) Administration Subcommittee Attachments ATTACHMENT E – Administration Subcommittee Actions from Friday, January 20, 2012 ATTACHMENT F – Proposed response to comment on 1st public review of Addendum 62.1f and proposed 2nd public review draft ATTACHMENT G – Proposed response to comment on 1st public review of Addendum 62.1g and recommended editorial changes ATTACHMENT H – Proposed responses to comments on 1st public review of Addendum 62.1h and proposed 2nd public review draft ATTACHMENT I – Draft Addendum DA-45 ATTACHMENT J – Draft Addendum DA-44 ATTACHMENT K – Draft Response to RFI from Dwane Painter ATTACHMENT L – Draft Response to RFI from Matt Sink ATTACHMENT M – Draft Response to 1st RFI from Reid Hart ATTCHMENT N – Draft Response to 2nd RFI from Reid Hart ATTACHMENT O – Draft Addendum DA-31 ATTACHMENT P – Revised Response to RFI from Matt Sink VIII. Recess The meeting adjourned at 2:50 PM and was recessed until 1:00 PM, Sunday, January 22, 2012. 5 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 6 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 15 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 SSPC 62.1 January 22, 2012 IX. Call to Order / Introductions The meeting was called to order by the Chair, Roger Hedrick, at 1:00 p.m. at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago, Illinois. Introductions were made around the room and it was determined by the staff liaison that a quorum was present. Voting Roster: Hedrick, McFarland, Aguilar, Buttner, Damiano, Fisher, Habibi, Herrmann, Howard (SMACNA), Rogers, Rothstein, Sekhar, Smith, Stache, Thomann, Wargocki, and Williams. Currently there are seventeen (17) voting members (PCVMs). The Bio and Bias/Conflict of Interest notebook (purple notebook) was available for any member to review. A member and guest sign-up sheet was circulated. (See Attachment A) Chair’s Comments: The Chair announced that an LCD projector would be available later in the meeting. Committee members were instructed to work off their laptops for the time being. The Chair had nothing additional to report. X. Liaison Reports / Comments a. SPLS: Steve Emmerich reported that he was the committee’s direct link to the Standards Committee and that this is a two way link. He will advocate for the work being accomplished by the project committee and serve as a resource. Steve announced that ASHRAE has a new website and a new logo. Standard Committee has been developing training webinars for project committees. There have been various topics: committee balance, running a good meeting, mandatory language. The training webinars are aimed at the Chair and leadership of the project committee, but anyone interested can view them. The Chair added that there is also an ASHRAE wiki on HCAV&R terms and definitions that is being developed. This stems from Standard 166, Heating, Ventilating, Air-Conditioning and Refrigerating Terminology, and the 1991 ASHRAE Handbook of Terminology. b. SSPC 90.1: Dennis Stanke had nothing to report. c. SSPC 189.1: Molly McGuire reported that SSPC 189.1 meets on Tuesday and Wednesday in Chicago. The Indoor Environmental Quality working group (WG8) meets Tuesday. Molly had nothing else to report. 16 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 XI. Technical Committee Liaison Reports a. TC 2.3 - Gaseous Air Contaminants and Gas Contaminant Removal Equipment. Chris Muller, TC 2.3 liaison, stated that he had nothing to report on TC 2.3 activities. Chris did report that the project committee for Standards 145.1 and 145.2 had been converted to a standing standard project committee (SSPC 145). Standard 145.22011, Laboratory Test Method for Assessing the Performance of Gas-Phase Air Cleaning Systems: Air Cleaning Devices, was published on continuous maintenance. Standard 145.1-2008, Laboratory Test Method for Assessing the Performance of GasPhase Air Cleaning Systems: Loose Granular Media, is currently on periodic maintenance but would be published on continuous maintenance upon completion of the current revision (145.1-2008R). A revised draft in expected in June 2012. The first meeting of SSPC 145 would be held Sunday in Chicago. Chris added that there is currently a research project sponsored by TC 2.3 that is being conducted by the University of Syracuse, a two year study. b. TC 2.4 – Particulate Air Contaminants and Particulate Contaminant Removal Equipment. Charles Seyffer, TC 2.4 liaison, reported that TC 2.4 meets Tuesday in Chicago. An important issue is trying to make liaisons more effective. There are some interesting research projects currently underway. Charlie also reported that ISO had moved some ASHE information from Guideline 26, Guideline for Field Testing of General Ventilation Filtration Devices and Systems for Removal Efficiency In-Situ by Particle Size and Resistance to Airflow, into an ISO standard. This is a big benefit for ASHRAE worldwide. c. TC 4.3 – Ventilation Requirements & Infiltration. Chandra Sekhar, TC 4.3 liaison, was not present. No report was given. d. TC 5.5 - Air-to-Air Energy Recovery. Bede Wellford, TC 5.5 liaison, was not present. No report was given. e. TC 8.10 - Mechanical Dehumidification Equipment and Heat Pipes. Randy Schrecengost, TC 8.10 liaison, was not present. No report was given. f. TC 9.2 – Industrial Air Conditioning. Waller Clements, TC 9.2 liaison, was not present. However, Waller notified staff that he would be unable to attend the Sunday session and provide a report. The staff liaison reported that Waller was unable to attend the TC 9.2 meeting in Montreal in June 2011 and therefore had no report for SSPC 62.1. TC 9.2 meets on Tuesday in Chicago and Waller indicated in his report that we would attend and report on the TC 9.2 activities in San Antonio in June 2012. XII. Education Subcommittee Actions Eli Howard, Chair of the Educations Subcommittee, was not present. In his absence Wayne Thomann reported on the following subcommittee items. 17 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 a. Chapter PowerPoint Presentations. Wayne reported that the presentation has been updated to the 2010 edition of Standard 62.1 and was distributed yesterday by the Chair (See Attachment D). The subcommittee will continue to update the presentation as addenda are published. It was moved by Wayne Thomann as a motion from the Education Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 6 The Education Subcommittee moves to approve the updated PowerPoint presentation. MOTION 6 PASSED 11-0-17-5 CNV. (Hand count) b. Programs. Wayne reported that Seminar 51 on Wednesday in Chicago is being cosponsor with the Environmental Health Committee (EHC). The title is “Indoor Air Quality in Green Building Programs: Are They Really Serious about it?” Presenters are: Andy Persily, Hoy Bohanon and Hal Levin. San Antonio 2012 1. Differences between 62.1 and 62.2: Rationale for Their Residential Ventilation Requirements (Forum). Presenters: - Hoy Bohannon - Steve Emmerich 2. Effective use of Rate Rational and Spreadsheet (Seminar). Presenters: - Hoy Bohanon -Andy Persily - John McFarland -Jeff Smith (Chair) Dallas 2013 1. Challenges of using IAQ Procedure in code (Forum). Presenters: - Dennis Stanke - Chris Mueller as a source for other speakers Programs for San Antonio require approval of the project committee. It was moved by Wayne Thomann as a motion from the Education Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 7 7 The Education Subcommittee moves to approve and submit to the Programs Committee the 62.1 program plans for San Antonio (June 2012). Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 18 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 MOTION 7 PASSED 11-0-18-5 CNV. (Hand count) c. Research Needs and Activities. 1. 1450-WS: Wayne reported that he had no additional update at this time and that he would follow up with Steve Emmerich on the current status of this work statement. 2. 1630-RTAR: Wayne will follow up with TC 5.11 on this research as well. 3. 1639-RTAR: This RTAR on building pressure control methods is currently in development and pending work statement submission. Completion is expected before the meeting in San Antonio in June 2012. The responsible committee is TC 1.4. d. Rate Rationale and Spreadsheet. Wayne reported that the updated rate rational spreadsheet accurately reflects how the rates in Standard 62.1 came about. This should be a resource for the project committee and not a public document. The subcommittee accepts the spreadsheet as complete and sees no need for the full committee to vote on it. It should be posted on the members only section of the 62.1 website. AI#1 Staff liaison to post the latest version of the rate rationale spreadsheet on the members’ only section of the SSPC 62.1 website. e. Code Change Proposals. ASHRAE asked for Committee input on two of these proposals Code Change Proposal IMC 62-1: The proposed change involved substituting several values from Tables 6-1 and 6-4 in 62.1-2010 into Table 403.3 in the IMC Code. While there are some areas of inconsistency in the format and some of the values between the applicable tables (IMC 403.3 and 62.1-2010 Tables 6-1 and 6-4), the rates seem consistent and the subcommittee supports the majority of the changes except: 1. There is some concern with the doubling of CFM/Person in prison cells as it is it could lead to a substantial energy penalty for prisons. 2. Additional concerns exist around hotel lobbies and pre-function areas as there is a significant difference in the listed occupancy levels in the two tables. The rationale for these differences needs to be understood. 3. The subcommittee also suggests that ASHRAE attempt to substitute the existing Table IMC 403.1 for the current Table 6-2 from Standard 62.1-2010. 8 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 19 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 4. The subcommittee also suggests that ASHRAE attempt to substitute Section 6.2.5 from Standard 62.1-2010 for the existing IMC 403.3.2.3 with an additional reference to a “comparable method(s) of calculation” as a substitution for the current reference to Appendix A that is part of Standard 62.1-2010. Code Change Proposal IBC 62-1Natural Ventilation: The subcommittee was asked to consider two possible methods to update the language related to natural ventilation with the objective of updating the IBC requirements to those of Standard 62.1-2010. One option was substituting all of the language from Section 6.4 Natural Ventilation Procedure in 62.1-2010 for the current language in Section 1203.4 in the IBC. The other option involved deleting all of the Natural Ventilation language from Section 1203.4 from the IBC and simply referencing Standard 62.1-2010 for details. After considerable discussion, the subcommittee recommends that ASHRAE submit the version with the 62.1 language inserted into the IBC. The rationale for this recommendation is that: 1. The reference approach would require IBC users to purchase ASHRAE Standard 62.1 as a reference. 2. It appears that the use of a reference to alternative information sources, rather than inclusion of complete Code language, is inconsistent with the approach used by the IBC. AI#2 The Chair to forward the code change information from the Education Subcommittee to Steve Ferguson at ASHRAE Headquarters. The Chair indicated that he would look into the possibility of reformatting Standard 62.1 to look more like code. This could be a possible project for the Education Subcommittee. Reformatting Standard 62.1 would simplify the process of submitting code change proposals. Education Subcommittee Attachments ATTACHMENT Q– Education Subcommittee Minutes for Friday, January 20, 2012 and Saturday, January 21, 2012 (Secretary’s Note: Updated minutes to reflect the change in programs for Dallas based on Motion #13) XIII. Administration Subcommittee Actions John McFarland, Chair of the Administration Subcommittee, was not present. In his absence the Chair, Roger Hedrick, proceeded to bring subcommittee recommendations to the full committee for vote. The Chair announced that the committee dealt with the requests for official interpretation during the Saturday session. a. Change Proposal Motions. The continuous maintenance proposals have resulted in proposed addenda so the committee should act on the addenda first and then approve 20 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 responses to the proposals. The committee will deal with draft Addenda DA-27, DA28, DA-44, DA-45 and Addendum 62.1b during the Sunday session. b. Request for Interpretation Motions. None – dealt with during the Saturday session. c. Addenda Motions. Draft Addendum DA-27. Draft Addendum DA-27 was distributed by the Chair on Saturday night. The subcommittee recommends an advisory public review (APR). Additional feedback was obtained from Steve Taylor and he recommends against it. Joe Fisher stated that he agrees with Steve Taylor and is inclined to vote against it. The subcommittee is proposing a 20% RH or greater for climate zones 5, 6, 7, and 8 in Standard 161. The APR will help the committee get feedback on the proposed changes before a publication public review is recommended. After further discussion. It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 8 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the advisory public review (APR) of draft Addendum DA-27. (See Attachment R) MOTION 8 PASSED 11-0-19-5 CNV. (Hand count) (Secretary’s Note: A roll call vote is not required for approval of an APR. In addition, a continuation letter ballot is not required to be sent to absent members. The motion requires only an affirmative vote from a majority of the voting membership.) Draft Addendum DA-28. The Chair indicated that this addendum involves changes to the requirements in Section 6 to clarify when Table 6-1 or Table 6-4 should be used. The information in Table 6-4 has been copied into Table 6-1 if it is not already included. The Chair indicated that a motion is needed since there is no recommendation from the Administration Subcommittee on this proposed addendum. It was moved by Don Herrmann and seconded by Hamid Habibi: 9 Approve the publication public review of draft Addendum DA-28. (See Attachment S) DISCUSSION: Joe Fisher indicated that he is worried that not enough thought has gone into this proposed change and that it should be discussed more at the subcommittee level. Lisa Rogers and Duane Rothstein agreed. There was further discussion. MOTION 9 FAILED 0-1110-111-5 CNV (Roll call vote) (See Attachment T) 9 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 10 Reasons for negative votes: NONE provided. 11 Reasons for abstentions: 21 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 (Secretary’s Note: A continuation ballot in not required in this case as the motion to approve the publication public review of DA-28 had no possibility of being approved by the project committee.) Addendum g to 62.1-2010. Pending the outcome of draft Addendum DA-28 the Chair recommended that Addendum 62.1g be discontinued. After further discussion. It was moved by Lisa Rogers and seconded by Don Herrmann: 10 To rescind the previous vote for publication and discontinue Addendum 62.1g. MOTION 10 PASSED 10-0-112-6 CNV (Hand count) (See Attachment U) It was moved by Lisa Rogers and seconded by Don Herrmann: 11 To approve the response to reject the comment from Dennis Stanke on the 1st public review of Addendum 62.1g. MOTION 11 PASSED 11-0-113-5 CNV (Hand count) Draft Addendum DA-45. This proposed addendum resulted from the Fischer proposed change (CM 62.1-12-12-0002/001) and was modified by the Administration Subcommittee. It provides an exception to Class 4 air. The Administration Subcommittee recommended this to the project committee members for review and possibly for incorporating additional language. Laura Petrillo indicated that AHRI opposes the entire addendum and stated that energy recovery wheels should not be used in Class 4 air. The Chair indicated that the motion on the floor was as it stood from the Administration Subcommittee but that he was looking for amendments to that original motion. Motion as stated: It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 12 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the 1st publication public review of draft Addendum DA-45, subject to review by project committee members and the possibility of adding language to the draft addendum. (See Attachment V) After further discussion. It was moved by Lisa Rogers and seconded by Joe Fisher: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 13 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 12 22 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 12A To amend Motion 12 to add an exception to Class 4 air replacing the draft Addendum DA-45 requirements with those established by several members of the Administration Subcommittee. DISCUSSION: Lisa Rogers indicated that these modifications to draft Addendum DA45 were put together by several members of the Administration Subcommittee. John Fisher stated that he had no issue with the rewording of the addendum and provided some additional comments. Laura Petrillo stated that TC 5.5 voted that only run around loops should be used in these cases and spoke against the motion. It was suggested that this be recommended as an APR and a forum be held in San Antonio to get addition feedback. MOTION 12A PASSED 11-0-114-5 CNV (Hand count) DISCUSSION OF THE AMENDED MOTION: John Fischer indicated that he supported this change and its impact on industry and energy savings. He stated that this technology has been used successfully for years. LEED certification is at risk as a result of the Walsh interpretation and this proposed change will rectify the issue before it becomes a legal one. John went on to state that the APR route is too slow a process and would like to see this publication public review approved by SSPC 62.1. John also stated that the requirements for heat recovery from the proposed Class 4 air could be met by a number of manufacturers. AMENDED MOTION 12 OPEN (9-215-216-4 CNV, Pending a Continuation Letter Ballot to Absent Member) (Roll call vote) (See Attachments W and X) 14 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 15 Reasons for negative votes: Don Herrmann – It is my opinion that sending Draft Addenda 45 out for public review and comment is not in the best interests of Society or the public at large for the following reasons: 1. Both TC 5.5 and AHRI are not supportive of DA 45 as proposed. 2. The information provided by the petitioner is based on a single manufacturer’s product and, in my opinion, does not represent the industry as a whole. Further, TC 5.5 has reviewed some of the studies provided and determined that they are flawed. 3. There appear to be health risks associated DA 45 that require further study. 4. The supporting documentation provided by the petitioner presumes that the equipment is operating normally and does not take into consideration performance when typical malfunctions occur that could change the leakage rate and/or carryover within the device. I further opine that sending this out knowing in advance that we will be receiving comments from, at a minimum, TC 5.5 and AHRI and will result in providing responses to comments that could have been addressed beforehand. At best, this will likely result in a second public review and comment, further delaying any action on this proposed addenda. As a compromise, I would be supportive of sending this out for advisory review and comment so we have the opportunity to obtain supportive and non-supportive information without being required to respond to the comments. This would allow us to address known issues before going out for public review and comment, or if necessary withdraw it. Kirk Stache – My reason for the no vote to making this a DA instead of just requesting public comment (I do not know what the official term for that process is) was that if we receive no comments to the draft addendum it automatically becomes part of the standard without any additional conversation. In this case, where I feel that additional conversation and additional information is required, I thought a better approach was going out for public comment without making it part of an official addendum. 23 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 My concern with the DA echoes many of the statements from the email Roger forwarded on Sunday from another individual in the industry. At a minimum I feel we should discuss the concerns of this individual as the concerns appear reasonable. Below, in red, is a copy of the forwarded email: Hi Roger, Please distribute this summary of comments from industry regarding the DA-45 Fisher Change Proposal to the SSPC 62.1 Committee and Administration Subcommittee prior to the meeting: From Drake H. Erbe, Vice Chair ASHRAE Standard 90.1, Vice President Market Development for Airxchange, Inc: TC 5.5 [Air-to-Air Energy Recovery] voted, with no negative votes and chair voting, that in any air other than Class 3 or better, the only technology they approve is run-around loops. The chair now is Greg Dobbs. Exhaust Air Transfer Ratio (EATR) is a certified parameter in the AHRI’s Air-to-Air Energy Recovery Ventilators Certification Program (AHRI Standard 1060). The proponent does not participate in the AHRI certification program and relies on 3rd party (GTRI) testing. This does not provide total credibility in the industry and should not be promoted. From John Dieckmann of TIAX: 1) Exhaust air cross leakage back to the supply air stream (i.e., EATR) can potentially end up being considerably more than the original design. Possible causes of this are: seal wear, failure to maintain/replace as needed to maintain original performance, a filter that is getting clogged and isn't changed in timely fashion, changes in the air ducting configuration after the original installation by someone who is unaware of the reasons for the original set up and that doesn't take the special requirements of a sensitive ERV installation into account (I would say that laboratory configuration changes are not at all uncommon), changes in the exhaust versus supply air static pressure caused by any kind of an unanticipated upset in conditions or deterioration of the system. 2) It isn't realistic to assume that over the life of a laboratory hood installation that the same mix of "vapors, gases, fumes, mists or dusts" that is only somewhat bad (the apparent point of the definition of class 5 air as opposed to class 4 air) will continue to be used or that the mix will stay within the somewhat bad parameters with certainty. A more toxic substance could end up being used for a good research reason at some point in the future, after it has been forgotten that an energy recovery wheel is in the system 3) Acute toxicity isn't the only safety issue with various chemicals. Considerable attention is also given to chronic toxicity effects such as being a carcinogen. 4) While the proponent cites positive experience with laboratory ventilation at Johns Hopkins, this is a single anecdote and Hopkins may well run a tighter ship than other entities would. One serious incident traced back to allowing this under 62.1 would expose ASHRAE to significant liability and damage to reputation. If an entity like Hopkins wants to persuade the local code officials that this use of an ERV is Kosher and in the process take full responsibility for it, when installed and into the future, they are welcome to, but ASHRAE shouldn't take on this responsibility. Contact info: Drake H. Erbe Vice Chair ASHRAE Standard 90.1 Vice President Market Development Airxchange, Inc. www.airxchange.com 16 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). Pawel Wargocki – Reason not provided. 24 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 As a result of this motion to approve the publication public review of draft Addendum DA-45 Wayne Thomann suggested the committee modify the programs for San Antonio to include a forum on energy recovery. After further discussion. It was moved by Wayne Thomann and seconded by Lisa Rogers: 13 To modify the approved program plans for San Antonio (June 2012) to replace the seminar on rate rationale with a forum on energy recovery in laboratories and move the rate rational seminar to Dallas (January 2013). MOTION 13 PASSED 12-0-117-4 CNV (Hand count) (See Attachment Q for updated programs for San Antonio and Dallas) Programs: San Antonio, TX, June, 2012 (approved) 1. Differences between 62.1 and 62.2: Rationale for Their Residential Ventilation Requirements (Forum). Presenters: - Hoy Bohannon - Steve Emmerich 2. Energy Efficiency Opportunities in Laboratory Facilities (Forum) - Speakers to represent 62.1 and appropriate TCs, energy recovery system manufactures, safety professionals, and others. Dallas, TX , January 2013 1. Effective Use of the Rate Rationale and Spreadsheet (Seminar). Presenters: - Hoy Bohanon - Andy Persily - John McFarland - Jeff Smith (Chair) 2. Challenges of using IAQ Procedure in code (Forum). Presenters: - Dennis Stanke - Chris Mueller as a source for other speakers 17 Addendum b to 62.1-2010. Jeff Boldt was in attendance so the Chair brought Addendum 62.1b up for discussion. There were four comments from four commenters. One comment was supportive and does not require a response from the project committee as the commenter is listed as resolved in the online comment database. The committee must respond to the remaining three Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 25 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 comments. The Administration Subcommittee recommended minimum changes to the second public review draft and considered those changes to be editorial. It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 14 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the changes to the language in the 2nd public review of Addendum 62.1b. DISCUSSION: Jeff Boldt thinks the addendum is still unclear and thinks the project committee is going too far. Boiler steam is commonly used to humidify air in the industry and Standard 62.1 should not prevent it. This is a code minimum standard and this proposed addendum is unreasonable. MOTION 14 PASSED 12-0-118-4 CNV (Hand count) It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 15 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the changes to the language in the 2nd public review of Addendum 62.1b as editorial. MOTION 15 PASSED 10-219-120-4 CNV (Hand count) It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 16 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the responses to reject the comments on the 2nd public review of Addendum 62.1b. MOTION 16 PASSED 12-0-121-4 CNV (Hand count) Draft Addendum DA-44. The Chair indicated that this is a new proposed addendum based on the proposed change from Dennis Stanke (CM 62.1-11-120003/001-002). (See Attachment J) It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 18 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 19 Reasons for negative votes: Joe Fisher and Wayne Thomann – No reasons provided. 20 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 21 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 26 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 17 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the publication public review of draft Addendum DA-44. DISCUSSION: Charlie Seyffer (TC 2.4 liaison) did not think this proposed change is quite ready and suggested some edits to the proposed language, primarily Sections 6.3.1 and 6.3.2. Dennis Stanke spoke on behalf of his proposed change. It was moved by Lisa Rogers and seconded by Duane Rothstein: 17A To amend Motion 17 to delete “…and each contaminant mixture...” from the 2nd sentence in Section 6.3.1 of draft Addendum DA-44 (2 places). MOTION 17A PASSED 9-0-122-7 CNV (Hand count) DISCUSSION OF AMENDED MOTION: Charlie Seyffer suggest adding “potential” and “and when testing data are available” in the second sentence of Section 6.3.1. There was some discussion of these and other changes to the proposed addendum. One suggested change was to replace “threshold limit value” with “concentration limit” and “unity” with “no greater than one”. Wayne Thomann was concerned that this might be taking informative material from Appendix B and adding it to the requirements of the standard, making it normative. It was also suggested that the last sentence of Section 6.3.2 be deleted. After further discussion. It was moved by Lisa Rogers and seconded by Wayne Thomann: 17B To amend Motion 17 to make changes to Section 6.3.2 by deleting the 2nd sentence and replacing “threshold limit value” with “concentration limit” and “no greater than unity” with “no greater than one” in the 3rd sentence of draft Addendum DA-44. MOTION 17B PASSED 10-0-123-6 CNV (Hand count) AMENDED MOTION 17 OPEN (9-124-125-6 CNV, Pending a Continuation Letter Ballot to Absent Member) (Roll call vote) (See Attachments Y and Z) 22 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 23 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 24 Reasons for negative votes: Scott Williams – I think the change to language is premature and not fully vetted out. There are multiple efforts to better define contaminants of concern happening now which may change the format of the language. This language also adds complexity to the IAQP that is not well defined. I heard several various definitions of mixture of concern and still don’t believe the modifications or informative appendix are clear. This adds confusion to the designers attempting to use IAQP, and adds complexity when the authority having jurisdiction reviews documents. Result will likely be less use of the IAQP. From document review I found variation between experts regarding additive effect of mixtures of gases. It is clear that some contaminants do “add” and should be considered, but if the “nose” is considered an organ, it isn’t clear that all odors impacting the nose add and require independent ventilation air to address each. The additive effect of a large number of minor odors or other contaminants could quickly result in excessive ventilation requirement. 25 Reasons for abstentions: 27 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 Addendum 62.1f. It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 18 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the 2nd publication public review of Addendum 62.1f. MOTION 18 OPEN (10-0-126-6 CNV, Pending a Continuation Letter Ballot to Absent Member) (Roll call vote) (See Attachments AA and AB) It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 19 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the commenter (accepted as modified) on the 1st public review of Addendum 62.1f. MOTION 19 PASSED 10-0-127-6 CNV (Hand count) Addendum 62.1h. It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 20 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the 2nd publication public review of Addendum 62.1h MOTION 20 OPEN (10-0-128-6 CNV, Pending a Continuation Letter Ballot to Absent Member) (Roll call vote) See Attachments AC and AD. It was moved by Roger Hedrick as a motion from the Administration Subcommittee (no second is required for subcommittee motions): 21 The Administration Subcommittee moves to approve the response to the commenters (accepted as modified) on the 1st public review of Addendum 62.1h. MOTION 21 PASSED 10-0-129-6 CNV (Hand count) Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 27 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 28 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 29 Reasons for abstentions: Roger Hedrick – Chair not voting (CNV). 26 28 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 Administration Subcommittee Attachments ATTACHMENT R – Draft Addendum DA-27 (APR) ATTACHMENT S – Draft Addendum DA-28 (1st PPR) ATTACHMENT T - Motion 9 Roll Call Vote Record (DA-28) ATTACHMENT U – Motion 10 Roll Call Vote Record (62.1g) ATTACHMENT V – Draft Addendum DA-45 (options as distributed) ATTACHMENT W –Draft Addendum DA-45 (1st PPR as voted) ATTACHMENT X – Amended Motion 12 Roll Call Vote Record (DA-45) ATTACHMENT Y – Draft Addendum DA-44 (1st PPR as voted) ATTACHMENT Z – Amended Motion 17 Roll Call Vote Record (DA-44) ATTACHMENT AA – Addendum 62.1f (2nd PPR as voted) ATTACHMENT AB – Motion 18 Roll Call Vote Record (62.1f) ATTACHMENT AC – Addendum 62.1h (2nd PPR as voted) ATTACHMENT AD – Motion 20 Roll Call Vote Record (62.1h) XIV. New Business The Chair asked if there was any new business. There was some discussion of updating the contaminants of concern in Informative Appendix B of Standard 62.1-2010. AI#3 The Education Subcommittee is to look into updating Appendix B of Standard 62.1. The Chair announced that the SSPC 62.1 meeting times for San Antonio would be the same as those for the Chicago meeting. Next Meeting: The next SSPC 62.1 meeting will be held in conjunction with the ASHRAE annual meeting in San Antonio, Texas, June 22-24, 2012. XV. Adjournment A motion to adjourn was moved by Lisa Rogers and seconded by Joe Fisher. The meeting was adjourned at 5:25 p.m. 29 SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 ATTACHMENTS (Double-click icon to Open Document) ATTACHMENT A Member and Guest Sign In Sheets ATTACHMENT B SSPC 62.1 Chicago Agenda ATTACHMENT C Education Subcommittee Minutes for Friday, January 20 and Saturday, January 21, 2012 ATTACHMENT D Update Chapter PowerPoint Presentation ATTACHMENT E Administration Subcommittee Actions from Friday, January 20, 2012 ATTACHMENT F Proposed response to comment on 1st public review of Addendum 62.1f and proposed 2nd public review draft ATTACHMENT G Proposed response to comment on 1st public review of Addendum 62.1g and recommended editorial changes ATTACHMENT H Proposed responses to comments on 1st public review of Addendum 62.1h and proposed 2nd public review draft ATTACHMENT I Draft Addendum DA-45 ATTACHMENT J Draft Addendum DA-44 ATTACHMENT K Draft Response to RFI from Dwane Painter AttachmentA-SignIn Sheets.pdf AttachmentB-Chicag o2012Agenda.doc AttachmentC-Educati onSubcMinutes(orig).doc AttachmentD-FinalPP T20120120.ppt AttachmentE-Actions AdminSubcom-Friday.doc AttachmentF-62.1f CommentResponses.doc AttachmentG-62.1g Comment Responses.doc AttachmentH-62.1h CommentResponses.doc AttachmentI-DA-45. doc AttachmentJ-DA-44. doc 30 AttachmentK-Dwane PainterRFI.doc SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 ATTACHMENT L Draft Response to RFI from Matt Sink ATTACHMENT M Draft Response to 1st RFI from Reid Hart ATTACHMENT N Draft Response to 2nd RFI from Reid Hart ATTACHMENT O Draft Addendum DA-31 ATTACHMENT P Revised Response to RFI from Matt Sink ATTACHMENT Q Education Subcommittee Minutes for Friday, January 20, 2012 and Saturday, January 21, 2012 (Secretary’s Note: Updated minutes to reflect the change in programs for Dallas based on Motion #13) ATTACHMENT R Draft Addendum DA-27 (APR) ATTACHMENT S Draft Addendum DA-28 (1st PPR) ATTACHMENT T Motion 9 Roll Call Vote Record (DA-28) ATTACHMENT U Motion 10 Roll Call Vote Record (62.1g) ATTACHMENT V Draft Addendum DA-45 (options as distributed) ATTACHMENT W Draft Addendum DA-45 (1st PPR as voted) AttachmentL-MattSin kRFI.doc AttachmentM-ReidHa rtRFI1.doc AttachmentN-ReidHa rtRFI2.doc AttachmentO-DA-31. doc 31 AttachmentP-MattSin kRFI_rev.doc AttachmentQ-Educat ionSubcMinutesChicago(updated).d AttachmentR-DA-27. doc AttachmentS-DA-28. doc AttachmentT-Motion 9_DA-28VoteRecord.doc AttachmentU-Motion 10_62.1gVoteRecord.doc AttachmentV-DA-45 ModOptions.doc AttachmentW-DA-45 asVoted.doc SSPC 62.1 Minutes January 21-22, 2012 ATTACHMENT X Amended Motion 12 Roll Call Vote Record (DA-45) ATTACHMENT Y Draft Addendum DA-44 (1st PPR as voted) ATTACHMENT Z Amended Motion 17 Roll Call Vote Record (DA-44) ATTACHMENT AA Addendum 62.1f (2nd PPR as voted) ATTACHMENT AB Motion 18 Roll Call Vote Record (62.1f) ATTACHMENT AC Addendum 62.1h (2nd PPR as voted) ATTACHMENT AD Motion 20 Roll Call Vote Record (62.1h) 32 AttachmentX-Motion 12_DA-45VoteRecord.doc AttachmentY-DA-44a sVoted.doc AttachmentZ-Motion 17_DA-44VoteRecord.doc AttachmentAA-62.1f _2ndPPRDraft.doc AttachmentAB-Motio n 18_62.1fVoteRecord.doc AttachmentAC-62.1h _2ndPPRDraft.doc AttachmentAD-Motio n 20_62.1hVoteRecord.doc