FAMILY HISTORY NEWSLETTER NEW FAMILY SEARCH IS LIVE FOR WASHINGTON DC TEMPLE DISTRICT ON SEPTEMBER 20 The wait is over. The official date for the rollout for the Washington DC Temple District has finally arrived, and that is September 23, 2008. But we learned that you really can get onto it on Saturday, September 20. OPENING INSTRUCTIONS: 1. Go to welcome screen at https://new.familysearch.org 2. Select “Register for the new Family Search.” The “Enter Your Membership Screen” will appear 3. Enter your Membership Number & Confirmation Date. Also enter the security text on the registration menu. Click Continue. 4. New Family Search will match your membership information with Church Records. Review the information and click “Yes” if it is your information. 5. Read Conditions of Use Statement. 6. As you continue, you will see your User Profile with some information from Church Records filled in. Add your phone number and e-mail so that Family Search Support can respond to your future questions. 7. Enter a Sign-in name and click Continue. 8. Enter a Password twice and click Continue. Volume II, Issue 9 20 September 2008 9. Select your password recovery questions. 10. Enter a Contact Name for yourself, like JSonneborn, and click Continue. 11. Click the box for each type of contact information you would like NFS to display, and then click Done. 12. You are now registered and have access to new Family Search. 13. You will now be taken to the new Family Search home page. 14. Browse around to become familiar with the information. 15. Click on “Me and My Ancestors” to open into the pedigree of your ancestry. Membership #_____________________ Confirmation date__________________ User Name________________________ Password_________________________ Make a record of your information above and keep it in a safe place for future use. Form from Terry Glasgow. This newsletter is compiled by Jack and Sylvia Sonneborn, family history consultants of the York 2nd Ward, for use within the ward. It is also e-mailed to parties interested in family history, but it is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. klompen@verizon.net slysyl@verizon.net 1 For copies of Genealogy News, go to http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com /~payork/York2Ward/ Thanks to Don and Jeanine Hartman of Utah for posting the newsletter online for us. NEW FAMILY SEARCH SOME BASIC INSTRUCTIONS FOR OPERATING IN NEW FAMILY SEARCH You can operate NFS by using the Home Page tabs along the top, or the information to the left. To begin, click on the left bold “See Me and My Ancestors.” There will be a horizontal pedigree chart at the top. The dark gray box should have your name in it. If your children are listed, they will be listed to the left. If they are not there and are living, you can add them but only you can see them. If deceased, they may already be listed. If you do not connect to any ancestors, begin by using the buttons at the bottom left of the pedigree view to add children, or click in a block, “Add or find husband/wife.” As you add father and then grandfather, if your temple work is completed, it will begin to connect and will add more people from the New FamilySearch automatically. To move around in the pedigree, click on the arrows to the left of the names in the children spaces or to the right of the ancestors’ names. You can move any ancestor into the gray box by clicking the little arrow pointing left, right beside the ancestor’s name. When using the SEARCH function to locate ancestors, there is a principle “More gets less, and less gets more.” This means the more data filled in the blanks before starting the search, the fewer records it will find; if less data is entered in the fields, the search will find more records. If you don’t find the person right away, try to simplify the search by reducing the information provided for the search. If needed, keep reducing down until there is just the person’s name and country. On the other hand, if you have the search finding too many records, try adding some more information to the search, and it will reduce the records it finds. There is a special case when searching for people from countries and groups that used the naming convention called patronymics. The patronymic is a component of a personal name often appearing as a surname that is based on the name of one's father. The suffix -son or –sen for 'son' or d?ttir 'for daughter' is added to the father's given name to form the child’s patronymic surname. Carl, the son of Peter Larson, would become Carl Peterson. Even when a family had an established surname, the patronymic surname may have been used in some records or when extractions from records were done. In these cases, you may want either to create the patronymic name for the search or search without any surname (just include the father’s first name). One other suggestion on searching, if you have a last name with multiple parts like "de la Vega" or "van der Linden" and don't find what you're looking for, try the Single Name Field instead of the multi-name field. They yield different results. CHANGING VIEW: To change the default pedigree view, in the upper right hand corner, click on Change View. You can also display a pedigree that covers the whole page, or you can display the Family Group Record (FGR). You can edit in the FGR by using the Edit links. If you want to print the FGR, start at the bottom of the FG record and click and hold and move to the top and then print “selection.” In many of the FGR’s, there are pages of source information that you will not want to print. BOTTOM OF SCREEN BENEATH THE PEDIGREE: SUMMARY: In the pedigree, click the name of the person whose information you wish to view, and his name will appear in the horizontal box below the pedigree.The data on an individual can be seen in Summary. The Summary view looks nice and clean, but the information may not be to your liking. For instance, the form of the name may not be complete. You can click 2 on the down arrow at the end of the name, and any additional names that have been combined will appear in a window that opens. You can click on the one that you like. Or you can add another name by clicking at the bottom of the window. Repeat this for birth and death information, but if you add information, be sure to list both the date and location to get a complete piece of information. Beside the changed information, it will list your name as the person changing the viewed information. DETAILS view has an expanded view of the items. This Details view is often more useful when trying to clean up information on the person or for doing more research. For example, it can show if someone tried to change data on a person you have combined with someone in your pedigree. This might show a dispute on one of the records you combined with someone in your pedigree. These may not be visible in the clean Summary view. If you submitted the information, you can edit it. If you did not, you cannot edit, but you can add a dispute or add another opinion. This will allow the submitter to collaborate on the information or fix the information. Since you can change only information that you have submitted, you may find information contributed by a deceased relative but cannot edit it. If you click on his name, there will be a note telling that you cannot edit the information, but if you are that person or have a good reason for claiming the information as you own, you can declare legacy. LDS ORDINANCES: Click on this to see almost instantly what temple work has been completed and if any needs to be done. If there has been duplication, it should show the oldest date of an ordinance. If a spouse’s work is listed as needed several times, then switch to the spouse and combine the duplicate records. Go back to the other spouse’s record, and the opposite spouse should be listed only once. TIME LINE: Click on this box to see a time line of the ancestor whose name is bold on the pedigree and listed in the box at the bottom of the page. You can add other events. MAP: Click on map to see red markers indicating the location of events in the person’s life. Click on a red marker to see details of the event. PARENTS AND SIBLINGS: Click on this box to see the highlighted ancestor’s parents and brothers and sisters. If there are duplicate siblings, combine them on this icon . Look for instructions below. CAUTION: BE CERTAIN WHEN YOU ADD HUSBANDS AND WIVES THAT YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT SPACE ON THE PEDIGREE. IT IS DIFFICULT TO DELETE THEM WHEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE. SPOUSES AND CHILDREN: View children and use the same icon to make changes. POSSIBLE DUPLICATES: Click on this block to see if there are duplicates What if you CAN’T FIND A PERSON on nFS that you know is there? You are sure that he should be there! This happens. FIRST, do a thorough search on New FamilySearch, including the refined search; see the search tips in this document. SECOND, for LDS, if the search does not find him and you have reason to believe the temple ordinances have been done, do NOT resubmit him. Try searching the Internet International Genealogical Index (IIGI) on http://www.familysearch.com, or on the CD IGI in a Family History Center, or look for the completed ordinance cards in your possession. When you find the person, carefully copy down the data in detail. Then go back to New FamilySearch at http://new.familysearch.org and enter the data exactly the way the other records showed it. This often will help you find that record in New FamilySearch. COMBINING DUPLICATE RECORDS COMBINING in New FamilySearch means linking different records about the same person. This is also referred to as putting ALL RECORDS – correct or incorrect – about the same person into one folder. The individual records are NOT changed. Because of multiple database systems that the church combined, there can be many records on the same person. New FamilySearch already combines records that are 100% the same, but the rest is left to us. 3 If there is a small number of records, combine all of them. If there are excessive numbers of records, combine the best matches till you get to the point that you have all the data on the person. Stop there for now. In time, those who own those other records may help combine the others with yours. Attitude Change: We need to have a positive attitude that this is not “my” family history but God’s family history. Combine even incorrect information so that the submitter can find his record and not perform duplicate work! COMBINE WITH CAUTION. It is easy and relatively fast to combine records. We should be very sure that the records are of the same person before combining. A family who lost a child would often give a later child the exact same name. So combining individuals with the same parents and same names can often be a mistake. ADVANTAGES OF COMBINING: Combining all of the information about individuals and families into one place has these advantages: Since you need to look in only one place, you spend less time looking for information about your ancestors. You and your relatives see the same information about individuals and families. You can easily work together to evaluate the information. You can add new information and make corrections in one place, and everyone can see them. When an individual’s temple ordinances are done, that information is added to the same place. This eliminates the risk of temple ordinances being done more than once for an individual and his or her family. HOW TO COMBINE: Go to the “Possible Duplicates.” In a matter of seconds, it will show duplicates. Check the box beside those that you feel are the same party. Then click “Compare in More Detail.” The records will appear side by side. Even if the information differs, if you know it is the same person, go to the bottom and click one of the “Yes” buttons (they mean the same but the second one makes some people feel better). If different, click “No.” Check all records. Then click “Done” and then click on “combine records.” Then just click through the buttons until the record is combined. Go to “Details” and at the bottom click on “Combined Records” to see what is combined. You can un-combine those you think are in error (but so can anyone else.) You can also refine your search to try to find others not showing up. When you combine, also check “Spouses and Children” and “Parents and Siblings.” If you find duplicate siblings, go to the arrow in front of the child’s name. Click on it to open a dropdown window. You can delete or dispute the individual, dispute the relationship to father or mother, and combine the siblings. Your child will appear on top in the next screen and all siblings of that sex will be displayed below. Check on duplicate siblings. You can combine if you are sure it is the same person without comparing, or you can compare the records in more detail and decide whether to combine or not. ADDING DATA to your family tree can be done in several ways. During the initial rollout to the LDS church, when first registering and getting started, New FamilySearch will look for an LDS church membership record for members. If found, it adds it to your pedigree along with any immediate family members shown on your church membership record. When we have searched and not found an ancestor, we can type in the information on that person, or we can use a commercial software program to sync the person. When we have searched for an entire family unsuccessfully, we can upload a GEDCom file with the information created by our home computer’s genealogy program or 4 sync the family from a compatible software program to NFS. There are restrictions and limitations. 1) Any GEDCom created from the records in Ancestral File, Pedigree Resource File or the online temple records will be rejected. 2) GEDCom files of 1,000 names or more will be rejected. I recommend keeping the GEDCom to a single family unit. DO NOT ADD AN ENTIRE GEDCOM AS IT WILL GENERATE TOO MANY DUPLICATES. 3) Upload information on a person only after a thorough search for him on New FamilySearch has shown he is not there. In the near future, software programs will help us sync our home databases with what is on New FamilySearch website. These include Ancestral Quest, Legacy, RootsMagic, Family Insight. AQ 12.1 is already doing that. There is a charge for these programs. PAF will not be updated but is still a good program to keep as a repository, esp. for notes, sources and pictures, ADDING A DISPUTE TO INCORRECT INFORMATION Many have been frustrated with inaccurate records on the Internet that we could not get corrected. New FamilySearch comes to the rescue with the ability to DISPUTE information or leave an alternative opinion about data in other records that we do not own. Before creating a dispute (think of as an Internet Post-It), please consider the following: Contact the submitter/owner of the record about the issue and share your evidence. He may gladly correct the record, especially when you have more to support your point of view than “I know it.” It can be difficult to find some submitters to Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File, especially when the submittal was made a long time ago. In most cases, when collaborating with another submitter, do not dispute that the person does not exist. Focus on particular events, dates and places in question. Only when all efforts to contact the record owner have failed should we put a dispute on the record. In the dispute, explain the details being challenged and what evidence there is to support the claim. Re-read it before doing the final posting. Don’t use disputes for every minor issue; use them only when it is sufficiently misleading. Use the dispute sparingly; only you can remove a dispute you create. It is more difficult to remove one than create one. There are cases where the owner of a record may alter his record regarding what you disputed; then the dispute no longer applies. In some cases the dispute icon will still be there, and in some cases it may not be visible, but it could reappear again if someone else enters a record with the same inaccurate data. As we learned about new Family Search from Family History Support, the teachers begged us to not get angry when we find incorrect information. Just dispute or add another opinion and try to work out the correct record. HOW TO DISPUTE: To CONTACT submitter: the dispute Find a record with the dispute icon . Go to Details view Click the item that was disputed In the popup, it will show the submitter. If the submitter provided contact information, clicking on the name would send an email to the 5 person. Of course, it is possible that the email address will no longer be good. To ADD a dispute: Symbol Find a record where you know the data is wrong and you have supporting evidence. You may Search to find the record. Click on the person’s name, even in a pedigree chart, to see the individual’s record. Click on the Details view. You will see the dates and places have hyperlinks. Find the individual data item (like a date or place name) that is wrong. Click on it. A little popup will offer you a link “dispute.” This adds the dispute to the record. If you own the record, it will offer “delete or dispute.” Now in the Details view, it will show up as crossed out with a symbol after it to indicate it is disputed. To REMOVE a dispute: Find a record where you put the dispute. You should keep a record of disputes as there is no list. In Details view, click on dispute symbol or the crossed out data item. The popup will offer you as the owner a link saying “remove my dispute.” Click it. WHEN SHOULD I NOT RESUBMIT INFORMATION? While not a part of New FamilySearch, it is important to remember that when there are errors on ancestors’ records, the LDS ordinances do NOT need to be resubmitted to the temple. Ordinances are usually valid even when some information is not complete or correct. We are advised not to resubmit records with these types of errors: - Variations in spelling of the names - Event dates off by a few days or years - Location variations - Misreading the name from the original source record - Because of a policy change on 1 July 1969, all sealing of a child to parents ordinances on or after that date are valid even if the wrong mother's name was given. The word "mother" used in the temple ordinance takes precedence over any name that was given. By Alan Jones DECLARING LEGACY TO RECORDS OWNERSHIP is an important principle with New FamilySearch. You own what you enter. Others own what they enter. A person can only edit what he owns. This provides safety for your records. Sometimes records were posted by you in Ancestral File or Pedigree Resource File, or were posted by an owner who has passed away or is willing to relinquish his claim to the data. In these cases, as a family member, you can claim ownership via Link Legacy. DECLARING LEGACY OR OWNERSHIP OF RECORDS: Find a record that you want to claim ownership. A. In the individual’s Details View, click the owner’s name or “Multiple Link.” Click the contributor's name (often a cryptic version of his name) whose information you would like to claim as your own. B. Click the Declare This Legacy Contributor as Yourself link. C. Describe why you deserve to claim ownership. This could be that you submitted the data to Ancestral File or Pedigree Resource File, or that a deceased parent submitted it. If the submitter is living, get permission from the current submitter/owner; in the request to have nFS change ownership, specify the reason for your request, your relationship to the current owner, and how you got permission. If your user profile does not give your e-mail address, enter one in the field provided so you can receive notification about your claim. 6 D. Click the Submit Request button. Family Support will make a decision in 2-3 weeks. If you are approved as owner, you can then correct errors or update data in old Ancestral File or in Pedigree Resource File records. By Alan Jones PREPARING NAMES FOR THE TEMPLE FAMILY ORDINANCE REQUEST (F.O.R. or FOR) is the new way to take names to the temple. Online, create the FOR from home, print it, and take it to the temple. The temple scans the barcode and pulls the names from the New Family Search (nFS) website. DO NOT print a new FOR per each individual’s name. So list at least 2 but no more than you can have done within one month. I recommend 2 to 50 names on each FOR. HOW TO BE A HELPER Family History staff members are able to log into someone else’s account and help them work on their family history. Typically, this would be the Family History Consultants in the Ward. To start, log in and click on “Sign In To Help Someone Else.” The Helper needs the person’s full name, birth date, and their helper access number (this is initially the last 5 digits of their membership number). Non-LDS FHC staff workers will have a recognized user id number assigned. They can change their access number when they wish under the Update My Profile. When helping someone, 1) do not print a FOR, 2) do not submit a request to gain ownership of a legacy posting, 3) do not upload a GEDCom, and 4) do not submit feedback. The Helper is not able to edit the person’s Profile, correct church membership records, or correct temple ordinance information. At present because of a technical problem, we are encouraged NOT to get onto someone’s account as a helper when they have not already registered on new FamilySearch. HOW TO PREPARE A FOR (FAMILY ORDINANCE REQUEST) By Alan Jones Click on the person on the pedigree. In the bottom view, click on “LDS Ordinances.” It will tell the status of the temple work – Completed, In progress, Ready. If a person is “Ready,” click on Ready and then decide if you will do the temple work or send it to the temple. If you want to add others, click No, that you do not want to print a FOR. Add other names that are ready for temple work then or later. Print the FOR to take to the temple to have the cards printed for you to do the work. If you indicated that you want the temple to do the work, the temple will take care of the person’s work from that point. Make a list if you send the work to the temple, as you will not get cards back. Check nFS updates. LESSONS FOR FAMILY HISTORY CONSULTANTS Family History Consultants should complete the Family Search lessons and print a certificate. Access this on the Home page of NFS. Click on “Help Center,” then click on the “Training and Resources” tab, and then click on E-Learning Courses. Each segment of the lessons will take about 10 minutes. At the end, print two certificates, one to keep in your records and one to place in your Family History Center. There are also other valuable lessons at that site. It formerly was the “dimensions” site. 7 SYMBOLS or ICONS: Blue checkmark by Temple. Ordinances are done. (Some ordinances may be in progress or not needed.) Green Arrow to Temple. Ordinances are needed. The work is “Ready” to do. Small Exclamation Sign by Temple. Ordinances are reserved for you to do. They are “In Progress” or “Needs More Information” Exclamation Sign by Person. This individual has more relationships than the new FamilySearch can show. Man and woman on Pedigree Multiple spouses. Asterisk on Pedigree. Multiple parents. Down Arrow. Edit options (delete, dispute, combine, and so forth). This symbol appears immediately in front of a name. Move individual to main position on the family pedigree. You can also move in either direction by clicking the arrows to the left and right of names on the pedigree. The couple will move one block to left or right. Crossed Out symbol. Information is disputed. The previous information was compiled by Alan Jones and revised by Sylvia Sonneborn. We want to thank Alan for sharing this information and doing the groundwork for this handout. This is also available as a handout from Sylvia at slysyl@verizon.net. A LETTER FROM ANCESTRAL QUEST’ S GORDON FINDLAY OF INCLINE SOFTWARE All: We know that many PAF 5 users and Family History Center consultants are anxiously awaiting the release of FamilySearch Certified PAF Add-ins to help them synchronize PAF 5 data with the Family Tree of new.FamilySearch.org. Incline Software released Ancestral Quest 12.1 over a month ago to a limited group, and we are now ready to open up access to any PAF 5 user who would like to synchronize their PAF 5 data with new.FamilySearch.org, and to any Family History Center that would like to have a copy of AQ 12.1 available for their patrons. Things you should know about this certified PAF add-in: * Incline Software gave a copy of the AQ source code to the LDS church in 1999, from which PAF 4 and PAF 5 were derived. So if you are familiar with PAF 5, and you use Ancestral Quest 12.1, most of it will feel very familiar to you. * Even though AQ 12.1 is a full program that could replace PAF 5, you can also use AQ simply as an Add-in for PAF 5. If you don't care to use all the features of AQ, simply use the new features that synchronize your PAF 5 data with new.FamilySearch.org and ignore the rest of the program. After you install AQ to your computer, you will find it listed in the "Tools" menu of PAF 5. You can use this tool, and focus on AQ's menu labeled "FamilySearch" to synchronize your PAF 5 data with nFS. * You can download LDS ordinance data directly from NFS into your PAF file. You will find this easier than using the old methods of searching through the IGI to update your temple data -- in part 8 because the FamilySearch team has already combined many of the duplicate records that used to exist in the IGI. * You can try AQ 12.1 for free for 60 days. After the 60 days, you can continue to view your PAF 5 data with NFS IDs, you can continue to link your PAF records to NFS, and import Family Lines from NFS without purchasing a key to fully unlock the program. To otherwise exchange data between your PAF file and NFS, you would need to purchase a key after 60 days. Family History Centers are granted a free license to activate AQ on all the computers in their center. If you would like to receive the unlock key for your center, send a request to ancquest@ancquest.com. * There are screens to let you quickly link any of your PAF 5 records with their corresponding records in the Family Tree of new.FamilySearch.org * You can use some extra options in the Advanced Filtering to determine which of your records are linked to nFS and which are not * You can import new records and data directly from nFS into your PAF 5 file * You can upload your PAF 5 records and data directly to nFS * You can download ancestral lines from NFS directly into either a new PAF file, or into your existing PAF file. This will include all LDS ordinances for these people. (This feature will continue to be free, even after the 60-day trial expires.) * If you download LDS ordinances labeled "Ready" -- indicating that they can be submitted for temple work, you can quickly find these records using the Advanced Filtering by searching for "Any Ordinance Date" matching "Ready". * AQ 12.1 has been out of beta testing for 6 weeks, now, and is being released to the third phase of its roll-out. To download a copy of this new FamilySearch certified PAF add-in, go to this web page: www.ancquest.com/Ver12-1Info.htm [You will not need to retype PAF into AQ. When you open AQ, it will seek your PAF files and display them in AQ. PAF needs to be closed. When one file is updated, both AQ and PAF will be updated.] Whether you already have training on how to use the new.FamilySearch.org or not, you will certainly have questions about how to synchronize your PAF 5 data with the Family Tree. We recommend that you watch the tutorial we have provided for PAF 5 users. It is available on this page: http://www.ancquest.com/Ver121Tutorials.htm Be aware that the FamilySearch team is expected to provide us with additional processes (called APIs) that will allow AQ to give you more options in the near future. For now, AQ 12.1 provides the tools you need to start linking your PAF 5 records with NFS. In the near future, AQ will also provide these other capabilities not yet in the program: * Allow you to download sources from NFS into your PAF 5 file (AQ will let you view the NFS sources now, but you cannot yet make them part of your PAF 5 file) * Allow you to create a source for each record or piece of information you download into your PAF 5 file from NFS * Allow you to separate improperly combined persons in NFS Of course, you can only use these new features in AQ if you have an ID on the new.FamilySearch.org site. This means that most people in Utah and the Pacific northwest cannot yet use them, but we know that those of you who do have access to NFS will be excited to start using these tools immediately. Good luck, Gaylon Findlay Incline Software 9 https://consultant.familysearch.o rg/consultant/home.do - Site for Priesthood Leaders and Family History Consultants to register Lessons for Consultants: Log onto New Family Search, “Help Center,” click on “Training and Resources” and then click on “Elearning Courses” and select New Family Search lessons. https://new.familysearch.org Site of the New Family Search – use after 9/20 www.familysearchindexing.org Site for members to assist with indexing of censuses and other digitized records www.labs.familysearch.org – Site where members can use the indexed records. Click on “Records Search” www.familysearch.org - Site of family history records before combining into NFS. Download PAF, use IGI, use library catalog. Free 1880 census, SSDI, much more. www.lds.org – Official Church site ****************** FamilySearch Wiki is in beta. It's a public site. We welcome all to visit, read, edit and add to it. The address is https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Main_P age FamilySearch Wiki is a large, on-line library where you can find thousands of articles and how-to instructions about doing family history. Since this is a wiki Web site, you can add to existing articles or write new articles. If you have information on how to do family history, please write an article and share it on the Wiki. ************** FamilySearch Forums is also in beta. It is also a public site. We are currently advising people to go there to ask their research questions. You're welcome to answer any post in the Forums. The address http://familysearchsupport.org/vbb/index .php QUOTES FROM PRES. JOSEPH SMITH This evening I stumbled across these two quotes by the Prophet Joseph Smith in my papers and thought I would share them with members. These are such powerful quotes that someone might benefit from the inspiring message. "This is the spirit of Elijah, that we redeem our dead, and connect ourselves with our fathers which are in heaven, and seal up our dead to come forth in the first resurrection; and here we want the power of Elijah to seal those who dwell on earth to those who dwell in heaven." (History of the Church 6:252). "All those who have not had an opportunity of hearing the Gospel, and being administered unto by an inspired man in the flesh, mush have it hereafter, before they can be finally judged. It is no more incredible that God should save the dead, than he should raise the dead." (History of the church 4:425-426). By Mary S. Scott of Michigan MESSAGE FROM THE EDITORS Since we are finally almost there, we have decided to dedicate this issue of Genealogy News to new Family Search. We had received a four-page handout from fellow family history consultant Alan Jones. We looked it over, liked it, and Sylvia decided that there were some other important facts to add for the help of beginners, and so she did. Thanks, Alan. This information is not meant to take the place of nFS overviews or tutorials. It’s just a handy sheet to help you remember what to do. We testify that family history work is under the direction of the Lord, and we wish you success as you seek your own records. 10 11