A NEW WAY TO PROTECT BIODIVERSITY? THE CASE OF SUSTAINABLE SEAFOOD CONSUMER CAMPAIGNS [SLIDE] Today, I will talk about sustainable seafood and the role of consumer campaigns in the United States. Since 1998, sustainable seafood has been framed as an important consumption issue. Seafood is being seen as biodiversity in need of protection whereas it was viewed as simply a resource to be hunted. Now, consumers and chefs are being cast in a new role – that of putting pressure on industry to change its methods through the marketplace. [SLIDE] This is what I will talk about today. 1. The nature of marine biodiversity. 2. The impacts of industrial fishing on fish populations. 3. The emergence of private groups in biodiversity policy, especially with regard to marketbased instruments. 4. The problem of “distance” between seafood producers and consumers. 5. The development of seafood consumer campaigns. 6. Some issues for environmental politics that such campaigns raise. As you can see, I’m trying to point out some different dimensions. I’ll be mixing together ecology, seafood industry structure, markets, and policy. The mixture of factors reflects a new era of biodiversity politics. It’s not just the politics of getting science to influence fishery policies, but the politics of trying to harness the market in support of biodiversity. I want, in particular, to look at how private groups can play an important role in framing biodiversity as a resource, not as something to be conserved. These groups, moreover, can pioneer new ways of using the market alongside traditional regulatory approaches. This is not necessarily a positive development. We’ll discuss this at the end. Half-way through the lecture, we’ll break into small groups for 20 minutes and discuss what information you may need to buy “sustainable” seafood at the market. After that, we’ll sum up the groups by writing on the blackboard. Then I’ll continue with my lecture. As we go through the lecture, please write down your questions and pass them to Barbara or Mark. [SLIDE] First, let’s look at marine biodiversity. Compared to terrestrial biodiversity, this area has received far less scientific and policy attention. There was a recent letter to Nature journal pointing out that there is a great disparity between marine and terrestrial biodiversity when it comes to published research and data. Only 5% of ecology reports deal with marine biodiversity. Even marine ecology journals don’t deal much with conservation issues. Much less information is therefore available as to the numbers of marine species and their rates of extinction. The World Conservation Union estimates that there are at least 1 million species livng on coral reefs and maybe over 10 million in the oceans. No-one really knows because it is extremely difficult to count fish swimming in the sea. Today’s important statistic is that at least 25,000 species of fish are thought to exist, many of these freshwater. The WCU says that it is building a database of all species to serve as a baseline, but mentions that marine species will be covered after 2008, revealing the paucity of information. On the other hand, we do know that marine ecosystems have higher genetic diversity because almost all the major types of plants and animals are found in the sea. The sea has many diverse habitats, ranging from kelp forests, coral reefs, mangrove flats, seagrass bays, continental shelves, 1 to the deep seas. The numbers of species may not be so important as how the species form part of marine ecosystems. The Biodiversity Convention Secretariat publishes the Global Biodiversity Outlook every few years to provide a snapshot of trends. Strikingly, the latest edition has almost no quantitative data on marine biodiversity. In contrast to terrestrial biodiversity, there are no estimates of percentage rates of extinction, or of total marine species. Instead, there are a few examples of endangered fish, bird, and mammal species. There is also a map showing the total fish harvests for 1995 for each region of the world. This underscores a pattern that we see across the field. Marine biodiversity is almost equated to fishing, because there are some statistics available. The report does say: “As a gross generalization, marine species appear to be less prone to extinction than inland water or terrestrial ones”. This is because the oceans supposedly provide a buffer zone: humans don’t live in them. Also, marine species tend to be distributed more widely, making them less vulnerable. But this isn’t reassuring. Over 95% of the oceans are unexplored. The deeper parts of the sea are largely unknown. Equally important, pollution knows no boundaries. Thus, we might be losing species without knowing it. Literally, the sea is far from sight, therefore out of mind. These gaps in knowledge are also found for terrestrial biodiversity. But they seem much graver in the sea. [SLIDE] We need to keep the broader context in mind. There are many environmental and human pressures on marine biodiversity. Over-fishing is only one causal agent. Other important factors include agricultural pollution run-off, chemicals accumulating in marine mammals, global environmental change, coastal development damaging habitats, and the spread of exotic species. About 60% of the world’s population lives along coastal areas. So their energy use, buildings, pollution, industry, and garbage are going to affect the sea. The shipping industry generates a vast amount of pollution. Recent research has found that climate has played a major forcing role over the last few thousands years. Marine species distribution varies with climate. Climate change due to human emissions will likely be important in the next few decades. So, addressing over-fishing is only one part of marine biodiversity problems. Let’s turn now to the impacts of fishing on marine species. There are a growing number of scientific papers showing that marine fisheries may be plummeting around the world. The paper by Myers and Worm from Nature journal is a good example. They analyzed decades of fish biomass data from continental shelf and open ocean systems, starting when these areas first began to be fished heavily. [SLIDE] This is one chart from the paper. It shows the fish biomass of the Temperate Pacific, which is where we are. As you can see, there is a huge drop in catch per 100 hooks from over 10 to around 1.5. Myers and Worm concluded that world fisheries are now at only 10% of their original levels. More importantly, they concluded that industrial fishing reduces biomass by 80% within just 15 years. This means that using more recent data to assess fishery sustainability may be flawed because the original populations were much bigger. The study implies that industrial fishing has moved from ocean to ocean progressively. Industry gobbles fish up everywhere. Other papers are pointing to similar trends. The Food and Agricultural Organization has the only global data set available. It depends on national governments reporting their fish landing statistics. According to this data set, harvests of fish in the wild have grown steadily over time. Compared to 1950, there is a vastly higher production level, rising from 30 million tonnes to around 130 million tonnes. [SLIDE] This chart, created by Canadian scientists, differs from the official FAO graph because it includes discards (that is, fish thrown away) and illegal, unreported, or unregulated catches. FAO has been ignoring these additional catches, therefore providing a misleading picture of just how stressed fisheries 2 are. The official harvest levels at sea have hovered around 86 million tons each year in the 1990s, suggesting that fishing has reached a plateau. Even so, marine fisheries have grown five-fold since 1950. As of 1995, FAO says that only 25 percent of fisheries were not being fully exploited. In contrast, fisheries were 47-50% fully exploited, 18 percent overexploited, and 9-10% depleted. You can see this in the elegant chart. The other chart shows how fisheries have progressively become stagnant or declining in their total production output. Only 40% of fisheries are still providing growth. Put another way, 15 of the world’s 17 largest fisheries are badly over-fished. So that’s the situation that we face when we think about marine biodiversity. What do private groups such as environmentalists, marine aquariums, foundations, companies, and marketing boards have to do with conserving this biodiversity? Many fisheries have been regulated at the national and international levels in some way or other for decades. The US, for example, has a patchwork of regional fishing councils that are supposed to oversee fishery management. In some cases, fishermen can only work for part of the year. Fishermen may not be allowed to keep fish from a specific species, such as with the New England cod fishery which has had a moratorium imposed on it. Or fishermen can only keep fish that exceed size and age thresholds. In Australia, transferable fishing rights have been tried out, notably for tuna. Fisherman are given catch quotas that mean they don’t need to rush out and harvest as many fish as they can. They can sell the quotas to other fishermen and make money. Indeed, fishing is one of the most nationally and internationally regulated activities. This is even if the regulations aren’t always adequate. International and regional agreements, like the Convention for the Conservation of Southern Bluefin Tuna, have become increasingly important. This range of governance compares with most biodiversity conservation efforts, which are fairly recent. The important point is that it’s governments who take the responsibility for biodiversity protection. This is how biodiversity has been traditionally protected. The Biodiversity Convention envisages governments as the central actors in conservation through setting up protected areas like national parks, making and enforcing laws for land use, and controlling the settlement of people near biologically rich areas. Governments are at the center of action. In the US, it has been the National Marine Fisheries Service that has overseen fishery policy and done much of the research. Environmental and industry groups, like Environmental Defense and the National Fisheries Institute, have tried to shape ocean policy for decades. But they have been focusing on lobbying governments to change their regulations or policies. In this course, you’ll have noted that significant changes have been happening in international biodiversity policy. Worldwide, since the 1990s, private groups have been playing a greater role in conserving biodiversity. They are emerging alongside governments as new actors. This is happening at a time when there is growing skepticism of the capacity of governments to decide and act. The range of actors active in biodiversity efforts has broadened considerably. [SLIDE] Over the 1990s, the private sector became more important in conserving biodiversity in both developed and developing countries. NGOs worked with bankers to achieve debt-for-nature swaps to ease developing country debt in return for new reserves. Companies opened private parks and began promoting ecological tourism to see wildlife in their habitats. Investors set up ethical financial businesses. Government institutes made agreements with companies to study biological and genetic material to use in making perfumes or medicines. Scientists acting as 3 entrepreneurs tried to get private funds in return for access to the ecosystem services that national parks can provide. Local communities founded their own ventures to profit from tourists and research investments. These experiments have focused on terrestrial biodiversity. But they can be applied to marine biodiversity too. Because of these experiments, the Conference of Parties to the Biodiversity Convention has declared in its new strategic plan of 2002 that market-based approaches are essential. Private groups can increase the availability of resources for conservation far beyond what governments and the Global Environmental Fund can. At least, that’s what policy-makers now hope. Private funds can fill in for all the resource problems that have undermined biodiversity efforts, like a lack of national park policing to stop poachers. However, the list of activities leaves out one important area. Before the late 1990s, there wasn’t much attention to how private actors could use information strategies to shift business behavior when it came to biodiversity. That is, how information can change the ways in which consumers decide to buy goods that affect biodiversity, or how information can change the public reputation of companies such as Chevron, the San Francisco-based oil company, for their impacts on biodiversity. In other areas, such as industrial agriculture, there have been growing efforts by concerned farmers and environmentalists since the 1970s to provide information direct to consumers about what they are eating. Organic foods, for example, have labels explaining that they are pesticidefree, and are supplied in combination with marketing campaigns highlighting who produced these foods. In the fields of consumer product and pharmaceutical safety, warning labels are pervasive. They tell people that clothes may be flammable, or that drugs should not be taken in specific mixtures. One of the biggest reasons why not much progress has been made in conserving biodiversity may be that people don’t have the information they need to gauge their effects on biodiversity. Let’s stop and take a break. I’d like you to form small groups and discuss for 15 minutes what information you think you would need to be able to buy seafood that is sustainable at the supermarket. BREAK Today, I want to focus on what private groups – at least in the United States – are trying to do about sustainable seafood from a strategic point of view. How and why are these private actors stepping in to protect biodiversity through the market? Is this changing the way that we think about biodiversity? Note, I am talking only about the US as a case. There’s a lot of activity going on in Europe as well. [SLIDE] Let’s look at why industrial fishing has caused all the problems. Since the 1970s, the seafood industry has changed greatly in its equipment, methods, scale, and organization. These changes have accelerated the harvest of seafood in the wild. Catching fish by hook and reel is now seen as inefficient. This slide shows the main fishing methods. Enormous nets and lines are used to capture fish. In long-lining, a boat releases a line that can be up to 50 miles long and that has thousands of baited hooks. In trawling, nets are dragged behind boats, scooping up fish indiscriminately. Since the 1980s, rock-hopper nets are widely used to trawl on the seabed for fish, with rubber rollers being attached to the nets to allow them to pass over the seabed without getting entangled. The effect is to strip away all marine life. 4 Fishermen can now fish in deeper water and in complex habitats. They can also use advanced technology like sonar, global position systems, and heat detectors to track fish. As a result, overharvesting and habitat destruction have escalated. There are 3.5 million fishing boats, but only 1 percent are industrial boats. According to the World Conservation Union, these boats take at least 60% of the total catch, highlighting their immense impact. Most boats are owned by local fishermen who have to compete with the industry boats. Onshore, fish processing has expanded greatly. Processors make standard products like frozen fillets, fish fingers, packaged fish, and cans. Fish fingers are now “made of white fish” which covers species ranging from cod to pollock. It is much easier for processors to substitute fish freely. Multi-national companies – such as Unilever and Nestle – are increasingly dominant. Simultaneously, the seafood industry depends on worldwide transportation. Consumers demand fresh fish, so catches need to be transported quickly and over vast distances. The advent of the Boeing 747 helped, as did refrigeration technology that allowed boats to freeze and store fish. What’s an important observation that we can make here? It is that production decisions are separated from consumption decisions by different layers of distance. That is, consumers are geographically separated from the oceans where production happens, and culturally separated from the producers by a complex production chain. Fish is usually caught far out at sea, not on the rivers and lakes where many people fish for recreation. Fish is also rarely caught locally; in most places in the US, fish has to come from many different places at once. Tens of actors may help move fish from the sea to the plate: fishermen, fish buyers, processors, transporters, distributors, and retailers. Often, there will be at least five or seven steps of distribution within the US alone. In the globalized business, seafood is mixed together quickly so that it becomes untraceable. This diagram illustrates the demersal fish commodity chain in Britain. How are consumers going to find their way through this morass? The immense distances between producers and consumers has led to a mangling of information flows throughout the production chain. Consumers usually make decisions on what to buy without knowing where their seafood has come from, how it was harvested, what the status of the species is, or who caught the fish. Indeed, surveys have found that American consumers have low levels of knowledge about fish status. For example, over 70% of consumers are unsure about whether cod stocks are even in jeopardy. Consumers cannot easily observe the environmental and social impacts of production. Most fishing activity happens at sea and the effects of fishing, such as smaller, younger fish or seabed destruction, aren’t visible. Thus, consumers have few ways of verifying that ecological problems are not being caused. There is no feedback between consumers and producers that could shape their collective decision-making. In the end, responsibility for ecological damage is diffused across the entire production sequence, without anyone being liable for their acts. These are issues that you don’t usually come across when thinking about biodiversity. You think of biodiversity as something that is shaped by habitat destruction, like cutting forests down, or by over-hunting species. But if you factor the consumption angle in, these issues become much more important. It is the collective acts of consumers that can help damage biodiversity by their demand for biological products such as seafood. To target these consumption decisions, we may need to track and make transparent the production history of seafood. [SLIDE] In the last four years, many US environmental groups have established a sustainable seafood campaign aimed at influencing consumers to change their behavior. They also work on production system issues, but the consumer campaigns are now the most visible. The Monterey Bay Aquarium, one of the world’s foremost marine science centers, has led the way. Starting in 5 1998, the Aquarium has run a high profile campaign, “Seafood Choices”. Other groups, including Environmental Defense, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Wildlife Conservation Society, and the Audubon Society have joined the bandwagon, advocating their own approaches. But why didn’t environmental NGOs get in on the act earlier than the late 1990s? Why did they leave the market out for so long? There are several reasons. First, there is a long history of viewing fish as wildlife. Fishing is practically the last mass hunting activity. In the 1970s, Greenpeace first became well-known for its anti-whaling campaigns. This era saw small Greenpeace boats trying to disrupt whaling. More recently, in the early 1990s, there were campaigns to reduce dolphin by-catch killed when catching tuna. Dolphins are considered wildlife as much as elephants and tigers are. This view started to change as a result of successful seafood campaigns. Two were especially important: the Natural Resources Defense Council’s swordfish boycott (around 1994 to 1996) and the National Environmental Trust’s “Take a Pass on Chilean Sea Bass” boycott (from 1997 to 1999). These showed environmental groups that campaigns focused on individual seafood species, and at consumer buying in restaurants and fish markets, could work better than wildlife-based campaigns. Second, foundations and key environmental activists grew weary of trying to target fishery management. They started to invest in consumer campaigns instead, thinking that these are more quickly developed and put into practice. This also reflected 20 years of American politics, namely the Reagan/Bush philosophy of relying on the market instead of on regulation. Other environmental groups had successfully used individualistic, “personal actions” such as buying nature calendars or planting trees to increase their membership and influence. Mike Sutton of the Packard Foundation – based in the Bay Area – was instrumental in this shift. He argued that it would be much more effective to work through market signals than regulation. He helped fund all the environmental groups who set up a seafood consumer campaign. Third, environmental groups realized that there was a widespread interest in whether seafood was environmentally good. They had previously ignored consumers as a source of information, assuming that they needed to look at fisheries. They now understood that there could be a mass movement of citizens built on seafood consumption. The Monterey Bay Aquarium campaign started quite serendipitously. In 1996, the Aquarium held a fishing exhibition, and started to think about what it served in its Portola café for the first time. Visitors heard about the review of the menu and began asking for advice on what they could buy. The Aquarium then identified a need for information among consumers from the bottom up, whereas it had previously seen the issue as mainly a problem of improving marine science. [SLIDE] What happened as a result of these developments? In the mid-1990s, environmental NGOs began to look at fish as the endpoint, rather than as a part of the fisheries that they had been working to protect. They re-framed the problem as food consumption rather than as just wildlife conservation. Instead of there simply being too many fishermen pursuing too few fish, the cause of biodiversity loss was re-framed as too many consumers choosing too vulnerable fish. The Monterey Bay Aquarium explains: “Increased consumer demand for seafood is depleting fish stocks around the world”. Another seafood activist group, the Audubon Society Living Oceans program, says: “More people than ever before are choosing to eat seafood and to meet this growing demand, more and more fish and shellfish are being caught and farmed than ever before”. These groups 6 are casting seafood as something to be eaten. This shifts attention to how seafood is caught and brought to the dinner table. [SLIDE] The solution, as seen by the groups, is to change consumption patterns on a large scale. Addressing the perennial question of how individuals can make a difference, the Audubon Society argues: “By choosing your seafood wisely, you can help shift demand away from fish and shellfish that are overfished or poorly managed towards those that are in better shape.” The Aquarium adds: “Consumer purchasing power can support sustainable fisheries and fish farms while relieving pressure on overfished populations.” The Natural Resources Defense Council says: “And while action both by the U.S. and on a global level is needed to protect ocean fish and their habitats, consumers hold one of the most powerful tools – the ability to make informed choices in restaurants and markets.” The Audubon Society asks whether individuals really can do something. In response, the group argues that people can let supermarkets and chefs know that they want sustainable seafood. “Remember that the seafood selections you see in the supermarket and on restaurant menus are there because people are demanding them.” Underlying this argument is a theory of consumer choice as democracy. Individuals can take responsibility for their consuming decisions. Their personal identity is defined in terms of consumption. The argument goes: Consumers can turn into citizens who vote with their buying decisions. “If enough people ask for a particular kind of seafood, the demand will be great enough to make it profitable to sell it.” Consumers can change the market through their collective actions. The idea is that the market can be harnessed to steer consumption so that it helps conserve fish species. If you are exploiting species, it’s better to do so sustainably. There is great scope to use the market to influence how much fish is caught. I gave you a reading from the Seafood Choices Alliance, “The Marketplace for Sustainable Seafood”. This is the first major attempt to quantify the potential market for sustainable seafood in America. The report describes a lot of statistics about the US seafood market. One important point is that the US imports 77 percent of its seafood from overseas. This means an even greater distance between American consumers and producers. What the report doesn’t do is put US consumption in context. For decades, the seafood industry has been trying to stimulate greater consumption by Americans. By world standards, per capita US consumption is relatively low at 16 pounds. Europeans typically eat 30 or more pounds; Icelanders go ecstatic over 70 pounds (mostly cod) each year. Beef, chicken, and pork are much more heavily consumed by Americans. So, there’s a lot of interest by the seafood industry in how to expand the domestic US market. In the last decade, the industry has been promoting seafood as a healthy eating option, using scientific findings on substances like fatty oils found in fish. This, of course, doesn’t include toxic substances like DDT or mercury which tend to accumulate in fish at the peak of the food web. However, environmental groups and the Centers for Disease Control have emphasized these problems. You can see the result in this table from the report. A survey found that 57 percent of consumers see positive health results from eating fish. 41 percent are worried about eating contaminated fish. There’s a surprisingly high rate of consumer concern about “harm done to ocean environment by commercial fishing” – 33 percent. Another important survey result is that 15 percent said that “whether species were overfished” played a “great deal of importance” in their purchase decisions, along with 29% who said that this was an important factor. If consumers can find out more about the environmental impacts of seafood, then a new market may be created. However, the cost, freshness, and taste of fish are 7 much more important to consumers. There’s evidence that consumers are most likely to choose sustainable fish if their cost and quality criteria are met. That is, consumers use sustainability criteria to “break the tie”. The problem is to get consumers to see “sustainability” as part of the features that they should expect in seafood. Where do the environmental NGOs fit in? They play a dual role here. They are trying to intervene as new intermediary actors, not engaged in production and distribution, but filling in information gaps between producer and consumer. Chefs are very busy people who don’t have the time to do an exhaustive analysis of fishery science. They don’t have the time to bombard their suppliers with questions about where their seafood comes from. Similarly, consumers don’t have the time or cognitive capacity to do the work of making the production chain transparent. In the campaigns, private groups are not putting money into fish species conservation, or trying to build eco-tourism ventures. They are focusing on information supply as a way to break down the distances between producers and consumers. But how can consumers find out what to buy or eat? Here, this is where the environmental groups have been quite pioneering. They have developed new methods to try to reach consumers in the US to teach them about biodiversity. These methods are dominated by the wallet card concept. Such cards are lists of seafoods typically grouped in categories of “good to eat”, “in doubt”, and “to be avoided.” These are recommendations and rankings of species by the environmental groups designed to guide consumer decision-making. The recommendations take account of how sustainable the group thinks each chosen seafood is, based on biological, ecological, and fishery management criteria that reflect “the best available science”. Originally, environmental groups made this information available in the form of leaflets. They found that this detail was not accessible to consumers. As a result, the wallet card was invented. As the Audubon Society says: “The Fish Scale makes it easy to see at a glance how a particular seafood is doing and helps guide consumer choices towards sources that are more abundant and better managed.” Lists may be a good solution to the finite cognitive capacity of people to absorb and use information in their everyday decisions. The campaigns typically focus on a set of 30-50 individual species, categorized according to how “sustainable” their harvest is believed to be at the time. Here are two examples. [SLIDE] First, the Monterey Bay Aquarium has a Seafood Choice card. This card separates over 45 species into a triptych: - Best Choice (green -- fish caught or farmed in an “environmentally friendly way”), - Caution (yellow -- there are problems with some of the sources so consumers need to check) - Avoid (red -- do not eat until the population recovers or the fishing or fish farms cease to harm the environment). [SLIDE] Second, the Audubon Fish Scale rates 30 species on a descending scale from green to yellow to red. The categories are: - green (few problems exist; okay to eat) - yellow (some problems exist, use your conscience) - red (major problems exist; better to avoid) Other schemes are similar. 8 [SLIDE] Consumers are supposed to use this guidance in their decision-making. This is how the Monterey Bay Aquarium urges consumers to act. They should ask at restaurants about where the seafood comes from. For example: “Waiter, did my salmon come from Alaska, or a fish farm?” They should interrogate supermarkets about where packaged and fresh fish originates. If the counter person or the waiter doesn’t know, consumers should explain their sustainability concerns. Environmental Defense suggests that consumers should familiarize themselves with the issues. “The Just Ask campaign puts the power of information and choice into consumers’ hands”. Moreover, people should have contact with the seafood and cook it themselves. The NGOs are publishing cookbooks, showing how much modern food practices have eroded the ability of people to choose seafood. Chefs are also promoting recipes around the country. There are plenty of environmental politics issues that the consumer campaigns bring up. I’ll just mention a couple for now. First, these campaigns are a new kind of strategy by environmental groups to protect biodiversity. They are trying to take control over determining what species are “sustainable” and to train consumers to buy fish according to their recommendations. In this way, they hope that consumer pressure can somehow be funneled back through the production system to the fishing industry, to force changes in fishing practices. As such, the groups are trying to become powerful players in biodiversity alongside governments and the fishing industry. But it’s noticeable that the groups largely do not refer to biodiversity as a reason why consumers should refrain from eating specific species. They don’t mention the Convention on Biodiversity. Protecting habitats is not emphasized much. Rather, the groups present consumer campaigns as helping preserve enough favored fishes to eat over the next few decades. Environmental Defense appeals to the self-interest of consumers: “Either we take the pressure off some marine species or the catch of the day may not be around tomorrow.” The Audubon Society says seafood lovers need to know that their love has to be expressed carefully, or it will not last beyond this generation. Does this focus on fish as food instead of as biodioversity mean that the broader biodiversity dimensions are lost? Are fish being valued as biological resources rather than as parts of ecosystems? The groups don’t deal with the actual impacts of recommending specific species over others. Favoring some seafoods may mean that consumers will switch to these and intensify industry pressures in much the same manner as fishermen have progressively moved between species as populations have plummeted. Sustainable seafood may only exacerbate overfishing in the end. Yet, the environmental groups argue that attending closely to the science of ecology, population dynamics, and fishery management will avoid the risks of a debacle. Well-managed fisheries, it is expected, will be able to absorb growing demand. But remember the Myer and Worm article? Given the dramatic declines in fishing, isn’t it better not to eat or harvest many species at all? Second, the campaigns can lead to the structural aspects of seafood production being ignored. It isn’t just consumer behavior, but industry behavior, that shapes how fish are being seen as sustainable. The industry helps make the market as well. Sustainability may not be disentangled from marketing politics. It may be that concentrating on individual species won’t lead to structural changes in the fisheries. 9 There are issues of sustainability that are being lost in the consumer campaigns. I couldn’t discuss how the environmental groups use science to make their recommendations. But it seems to me that they are taking a fairly limited view of sustainability. For example, a critical part of sustainability is whether or not the fish is very high up on the food chain, like tuna or swordfish, so that consuming the fish uses up greater biomass compared to eating tilapia or anchovies that don’t eat other fish or that are small. This is the old case of whether or not private groups are accountable for what they do. To cite Kate’s forthcoming book chapter, the groups I’ve talked about today are “disciplining” all sorts of actors: citizens, fishermen, consumers, At the root of overfishing are powerful economic forces. Too many fish are being harvested; there needs to be fewer fish killed. But this means that fishermen will have to lose their income. How are these forces made less destructive? Can sustainable harvest methods lead to better price premiums? Finally, I would like to raise a few questions for you to discuss while I start answering your questions. 10