COMPOSITES
FEBRUARY 2014
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
FEBRUARY, 26-27, 2014
LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
WEDNESDAY, 26 FEBRUARY to THURSDAY, 27 FEBRUARY
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Composites Task Group (COMP) was called to order at 9:00 a.m., 26-Feb-2014
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with 15 subscribing members present with the following
representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Monica
Soorena
Peter
Mike
Ping
Laurent
Mike
Kevin
Patrick
Achim
Brett
Linnie
Evelyn
John
Betty
Lance
Andreas
Doug
Angelina
Alessandro
Keith
Jeremy
Alberto
Fabrizio
Elliott
Andrew
Sally
Kenneth
Konstantina
Colin
Annika
Ling
COMPANY NAME
Alcala
Ariaie
Atwell
Bemis
Chen
DeJaie
Derakshan
Dowling
Dunleavy
Enzmann
Hemingway
Hook
Jacobson
Key
Kocsis
Loeks
Mastorakis
Matson
Mendoza
Miglio
Panuska
Phillips
Portal
Quadrini
Schulte
Smith
Spindor
Sposato
Stefanidou
Stuart
Whitford
Yap
Honeywell Aerospace
Triumph Structures - Farnborough LTD
Airbus
Goodrich (UTAS)
COMAC
Sonaca
The Boeing Company
Spirit AeroSystems
SAFRAN Group
Airbus Helicopters
BAE Systems (MAI)
Cessna Aircraft
Pratt & Whitney
Bell Helicopter
Honeywell Aerospace
The Boeing Company
GE Aviation
The Boeing Company
Goodrich (UTAS)
AgustaWestland
Lockheed Martin Corporation
Cessna Aircraft Company
Airbus Defence And Space
AgustaWestland
Bell Helicopter
Spirit AeroSystems
Triumph Group Inc.
Triumph Group Inc.
Honeywell Aerospace
Rolls-Royce
Triumph Structures - Farnborough LTD
The Boeing Company
Secretary
Chairperson
Vice Chairperson
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Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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David
Marie-Guadeloupe
Tomohiko
Natalia
Kevin
Jim
Xavier
Andrew
Christopher
David
Niall
Patrick
Bill
Dave
John
Matthieo
Hirohiko
Ian
Hubert
Regine
Bryan
Debra
Ian
Sue
Rick
Don
Andrew
Arno
Nancy
COMPANY NAME
Alexander
Alza
Ashikaga
Becerra Pozo
Brennan
Brown
Carteron
Clarke
Cowap
Crain
Dodds
Durkin
Godwin
Gray
Greenwood
Gresil
Hattori
Jenner
Kern
Kocklenberg
Loveless
Maier
Palethorpe
Parrott
Price
Russell
Short
Toelkes
Vancil
SAE International
Toray CFE
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Exova (UK) Limited
Swift Engineering Inc.
Hexcel Composites
Toray CFE
Atlas Composites
Exova (UK) Limited
CFAN
Exova (UK) Limited
TE Wire
University of Manchester
Mitchell Labs
Cobham Advanced Composites
University of Manchester
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Autoclave & Industrial Controls Ltd.
FACC AG
Hexcel Composites
ATK
ATK Space Systems - Clearfield
Cobham Antenna Systems
Cobham
Park Electrochemical
Toray Composites
GKN Aerospace
Euro-Composites
Toray Carbon Fibers America Inc.
PRI Staff Present
John
1.2
Tibma
Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct
Meeting conduct was reviewed and the Code of Ethics/Antitrust video was shown to meeting
attendees.
1.3
Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes– OPEN
The minutes from October 2013 were approved as written.
1.4
Review Agenda – OPEN
The meeting agenda items were reviewed.
2.0
STAFF ENGINEER/CONSULTANT REVIEWER DELEGATION REVIEW – CLOSED
John Tibma presented the data for consultant reviewer Brian Johnson and for Staff Engineer (SE)
John Tibma; both currently show on target.
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3.0
AUDITOR PERFORMANCE REVIEW – CLOSED
The Task Group (TG) discussed audit reviewer delegation. John Key will present amended
requirements for the approval and maintenance of audit reviewer delegation at the open meeting.
A motion was made remove reviewer delegation for Rebekah Gondek. Motion Passed (12 in
favor of: 2 abstained)
The delegation status for Brian Johnson was also discussed.
Motion made by Jeremy Phillips and seconded by Andreas Mastorakis is for PRI to discuss NCR
closure issues with Brian Johnson and request a formal corrective action plan. Motion Passed
Unanimously
ACTION ITEM: PRI to discuss NCR closure issues with Brian Johnson and request a formal
corrective action plan. NUCAP NCRs to be included in the data. (Due Date: 31-Mar-2014)
TG reviewed the recent completed auditor observation forms.
ACTION ITEM: Angelina Mendoza to add clarification to AH 7118 for Q 4.3.2 Software Control.
(Due Date: 30-Apr-2014)
4.0
MODE B FAILURE CRITERIA REVIEW – CLOSED
The TG reviewed the latest mode B failure criteria.
Motion made to maintain the current failure mode B criteria for initial audits. Motion Passed
Unanimously
Motion made to maintain the current failure mode B criteria for re-accreditation audits. Motion
Passed (14 in favor of: 2 opposed)
5.0
TRAINING THE TRAINING AUDITOR – CLOSED
There was discussion on requirements for a trainer to be able to train the auditors. TG is
requested to provide any suggestions to KP
6.0
AUDITOR CONSISTENCY – CLOSED
6.0 Auditor
Consistency
TG reviewed scheduled future audits to determine Subscriber support for observation of the audit.
TG chairperson John Key encouraged all Subscriber members to review the scheduled audit list
and notify PRI with the intent to observe a commodity audit.
7.0
OPEN DISCUSSION – CLOSED
7.0 Open Discussion
SE presented audit observation process describing the process of NOP-007.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to distribute an auditor advisory specifying requirements to raise NCRs if issue
is identified. (Due Date: 30-Apr-2014)
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8.0
STAFF REPORT – OPEN
8.0 COMP Staff
Report Feb 2014.pptx
John Tibma presented the SE report as seen above.
ACTION ITEM – PRI to add to the COMP Subscriber list Bell Helicopters and which Subscribers
mandate AC7122-P. (Due Date: 20-Jun-2014)
9.0
REVISED PROCEDURE REVIEW – OPEN
The NTGOP-001 Appendix COMP-NMMM-NMMT was recently revised. The revisions included:
 Numbering scheme changed to match NTGOP-01
 Satellite failure criteria modified
o Main and satellite audits shall be evaluated independently. Both facilities shall be
balloted for failure if either facility exceeds the NOP-011 Mode B failure
threshold.
The Supplier Merit procedure NOP-008 was revised. The revisions included:
 Non-sustaining corrective actions and product and process escapes from associated Add
Scope audits will deny merit
 Clarified that number of NCR criterion is based on Mode B reaccreditation audit failure
criteria
 Clarified that advisories issued outside of audits (since previous accreditation audit) will
deny merit
 General editorial improvements and clarifications
SE presented the NOP-011 risk mitigation revisions to the TG.
NOP-011 - Risk
Mitigation
ACTION ITEM: PRI to confirm that NOP-011 allows re-entry audit immediately after conclusion of
the RMT process. (Due Date: 07-Mar-2014)
John Key presented NOP-012 Auditor Consistency and the effects on COMP.
NOP-012 - Effects on
COMP
10.0
SUPPLIER SURVEY REPORT OUT (RAIL ITEM #1) – OPEN
This topic was not discussed. The Supplier Support Committee (SSC) representative was not
present and had not been able to collect sufficient replies to survey.
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11.0
AUDIT REPORT REVIEWER DELEGATION - MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS TO MAINTAIN
DELEGATION – OPEN
TG discussed suggested new proposal to add para 11.3 to the NTGOP-001 Appendix COMPNMMM-NMMT as follows:
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11.3
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11.3.1
For a SE or Audit Report Reviewer to maintain delegation, the following list of
criteria must continually be met.
Maintenance Delegation Requirements
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Review a minimum of 10 audits and 30 NCRs per year.
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Observe a minimum of (1) audit per calendar year and submit a t-frm-01 and t-frm-01
addendum.
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At the discretion of the voting Subscribing members, any of the above criteria may be
waived or additional criteria added.
Motion made to accept the above listed criteria for addition to the NTGOP-001 Appendix COMPNMMM-NMMT. Motion Passed Unanimously
ACTION ITEM: PRI to implement revision to the NTGOP-001 Appendix COMP-NMMM-NMMT for
Maintenance of Delegation Requirements. (Due Date: 30-Apr-2014)
12.0
OPEN DISCUSSION – OPEN
Item was tabled until Thursday.
13.0
MEETING CLOSE OUT – OPEN
Item was tabled until Thursday.
14.0
AMS2750/1 DRAFT PRESENTATION & DISCUSSION – OPEN
AMS2750/1
Pyrometry for Composites
An action item from the October 2013 meeting was to assign a sub team with Subscribers and
Suppliers to review AMS 2750 and provide a presentation specific for pyrometry in composites.
Sub team presented suggested verbiage that could be included in a 2750/1 document to the TG.
Sub team now to review and agree statements before distribution.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to distribute the document to the TG for review and comments following sub
team agreement. (Due Date: 15-Apr-2014)
15.0
ADDITION OF STRUCTURAL BONDING TO AC7118 – OPEN
15.0 Adhesive
Bonding Job Audit
Andreas Mastorakis and sub team presented the proposed new job audit 16h – Structural
Adhesive Bonding
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ACTION ITEM: PRI to distribute proposed job audit 16h to TG for review and comment.
(Due Date: 15-Apr-2014)
16.0
CORE CUTTING VS. CORE MACHINING – OPEN
Core Cutting vs.
Core Machining
Jeremy Phillips and sub team presented definitions for core cutting and core machining. The TG
discussed the definitions and agreed to the changes which were made.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to distribute definitions for TG to review and comment to enable final review
and vote at next meeting. (Due Date: 30-Apr-2014)
17.0
ADDITION OF CONTINUOUS FIBER REINFORCED THERMOPLASTICS TO AC7118 – OPEN
Thermoplastic Part
Manufacturing
Currently only 2 Subscribers are expressing an interest so this item will be tabled and reviewed at
future meetings.
18.0
ACTION ITEM REPORT OUT – OPEN
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed, and actions closed as necessary.
For specific details, please see the current COMP Rolling Action Item List posted at
www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
19.0
OPEN DISCUSSION – OPEN
Open Discussion
Topics
Motion made to extend the current chairperson, vice chairperson and secretary positions up to
and including June 2015. Motion Passed Unanimously
Colin Stuart of Rolls Royce to become Vice Chairperson in October 2015.
ACTION ITEM – Subscriber Subscribers to determine if they have interest for Laser Sintering/
Additive Manufacturing. (Due Date: 27-Jun-2014)
Subject of miscellaneous bonding was discussed
ACTION ITEM: Miscellaneous bonding to be clarified at October 2014 auditor training. Also PRI to
poll auditors for their understanding of the definition of miscellaneous bonding. (Due Date: 24Oct-2014)
20.0
MEETING CLOSE OUT – OPEN
Four new voting members were put forward for review and acceptance.
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Natalia Becerra-Exova Supplier, Voting Member
Elliott Schulte-Bell Helicopter, Alternate Subscriber Voting Member
Evelyn Jacobson-Pratt & Whitney, Subscriber Voting Member
Suthicar Danchaiviroj-Triumph Structures, Alternate Subscriber Voting Member
Motion made to accept all proposed new voting members. Motion Passed
The Action Items from this meeting were reviewed.
Agenda Topics for the June 2014 meeting in Dublin were discussed:
o
AC7118 (Open)
 Core Cutting and Machining
 RAIL Items
 NOP-002 realignment report out (NOP-002 being split between NOP-001 & NTGOP001)
 Create Training List for October Auditors Conference
 Checklist Improvements for RTM and other Sections
ADJOURNMENT – 27-Feb-2014 – Meeting was adjourned at 6:00 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Peter Atwell - peter.atwell@airbus.com
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting?
(select one)
YES* ☒ NO ☐
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision:
Who is responsible:
NTGOP-001 App COMP-NMM
PRI Staff
Due date:
30-Apr-2014