Andrew Copson; Panel 3; Magna Carta 800th Lancaster House The question that we’re invited to consider falls under the general heading of the first question, which is: “Are the secular settlements of Europe secure?” I’d like my contribution to that question to get us into this discussion to be to consider, just very briefly, what these secular settlements actually are in practice; where they’ve come from; what some of the social changes that might be making some of them less secure actually are; and some of the flash points that have been indicative of conflict within that secular framework in recent years. Shami gave a good description of the ideal types of ways that one could treat religion in the state. I want to try and give three actual type of secular settlement that we’ve found ourselves within Europe today. The type of secular settlement that the state has taken on across the continent depends on a number of factors. It depends on the stage in that nation’s history in which secularism was instituted, or organically grew up; it depends on the nature of the religion and the religious culture in which the secularism grew up or was instituted. (Protestant secularism, roughly speaking, looks quite a bit different from Catholic secularism, just as Sunni Muslim secularism looks in Turkey different from the rest of Europe.) Generally, then, there are three types that can be discerned. One is secularism as separation – it likes often to think of itself as a strict separation but is not always in practice – a separation of religious institutions and state institutions. It is associated with modernity; it’s often instituted as a way of clearing out what is seen as the mediaeval rubble of clericalism and goes together with a republican and civic nationalistic attitude. You can all think of secularisms across the world, but certainly in Europe that are of that first type. The second type of secularism sees itself as much more liberal and is based on the idea of toleration – specifically the toleration of a diversity of religious denominations. It bases itself on the idea of neutrality and fair treatment, often to secure a sort of civil peace within the boundaries of a particular nation. This second type of secularism can seem to advocates of the first type as being not very secular at all because it can often, as in the case of Belgium or the Netherlands, involve quite considerable state funding of different religious institutions and organisations. However, the funding is provided, as it were, on a per capita basis: fairly and in what they would describe as a secular manner, in attempts to be impartial and objective. The third type is where a country is quasi-secular, rather by accident. That, to some extent, is what we have within the UK: a state which is not actually secular in its constitution, and whose present head of government has stated in recent years that it is certainly not a secular country. But in practice, to a great extent, a division has been created and constructively and dynamically maintained between religious institutions or at least one particular religious institution on the one hand, and various public services and state institutions. (On the other hand, in many other services and institutions there is a deep embedded-ness of one particular denomination, so labelling this third type of secularism as such at all is contestable.) What social changes across Europe (and there are some consistent pan-European social changes at a high level that we can discern) are putting those secular settlements under strain? Some of them are quite surprising. I will go into three, and the first one is quite counterintuitive. The first social change which is putting settlements under strain is the decreasing religiosity of the population of Europe as a whole. A collapse in practice in terms of Christianity across the continent has taken place over the last few decades. A significant reduction, although not as great a reduction, in religious belief, and again a highly significant reduction in religious identity across Europe – all this across a generation of people whose Grandparents would have identified as Christian. That’s a massive social change. 51% of people in the UK in the last British Social Attitudes survey said they were not religious and didn’t associate themselves with any religion. That’s one big social change. Second is the increasingly vocal nature of the Christian residue; remaining Christians are increasing their political activity, increasing advocacy of what are seen as the ‘rights’ of Christians but which are very often the defence of privileges for Christians. The third is the arrival within Europe of significant (still very, very small but significant) range and number of minorities and people of non-Christian religions to a greater extent than ever before. These three social changes are the ones that are the most to be highlighted for putting the secular settlements under strain. Taking them in order: The increasing number of people who are not religious: that does seem like, as I said at the beginning, a slightly counterintuitive social change to highlight as putting the secular settlement under strain. In fact, our settlements are so embedded within historic religious assumptions that it does put a secular settlement under strain. All sorts of assumptions about, for example, what we should do in our school curriculum, what we should do in our public life are brought into question when a culture moves from being a non-religious but culturally Christian culture to being not even culturally Christian. Think about cases that went to Strasbourg from Norway: the Folgerø case. A group of non-religious people who said they no longer wanted their children in their school to be learning morality and to have a moral education only from a Christian point of view. Their parents and grandparents, who might also have been not practising and not believing Christians, were perfectly happy, probably, to have morality taught through a Christian lens. However, a more secular generation, two generations later, wants their positive non-religious beliefs to be upheld. So those things which have been, as part of a secular settlement, secularised religion (moral education at schools for example) are no longer acceptable to a self-defining non-religious population. We’ve had this with Humanist marriage law in the UK, for example. Our politicians sometimes really can’t catch up with that, and find it very difficult. There’s an increasingly vocal Christian section of society in Europe. That obviously puts secular society under strain because when people feel on the defensive, as Christian lobby groups often do within the Council of Europe or within the OSCE, they tend to push back against what they might have, in other contexts, accepted as perfectly secular elements of the law. And then there’s the arrival and growth of non-Christian religious minorities in Europe. It is obvious and we have heard already how this puts new strains on the settlements. I agree with Shami that the human rights framework that we have post-Universal Declaration, postEuropean Convention, is the only plausible way, but more than that a positively constructive way of reconciling the sort of differences of opinion and flashpoints that this social change has caused in our secular settlements and is the only plausible way to unpick some of the nasty tangles that have been created. All current secular settlements in Europe fail, I think, to reach those human rights standards today. Every sort of secularism is deficient in meeting those standards in one way or another.