McManus or Callahan problem
Ann McManus
b ~1850 Ireland
d after 1884 & before 1890
m
Cornelius Tully, occupation, gardener
b ~1844 Ireland
immigration 1865 OR 1876
d Jan 1914
b St Raymond's Cemetery
Children
Mary
Philip
Margaret
John Cornelius
Joseph
b 1875 married by 1904
b 1877 OR Apr 1876; he is married 1900, 1910 census
b 1879 OR July 1979 she married 1901
b. 5 Nov 1882 not w/ family in 1900
b. 8 Apr 1884 w/ family in 1900 census
Problem: to identify origins of my father's maternal grandmother, Ann McManus or
Callahan (his maternal gradfather is Joseph b. 1884)
Ann's name is written as Annie Mcmanis at the birth of her son John Cornelius and as
Annie McManus at the marriage of dau Maggie, but Ann Callahan at the birth of Joseph.
Ann Callahan may be the 2nd wife of Corn. Tully and mother of Joseph.
Research Question: Is Joseph Tully the son of Cornelius Tully and his first wife, Ann or
the son of a second wife, also named Ann?
Chronology
Ca 1844 birth of Cornelius Tully, in Ireland
Ca 1850 birth of Ann McManus, who is mother to John C. and Maggie Tully.
1852—Look at this 1852 N.Y. Passenger list. 1 It isn’t our Cornelius Tully, who is still a
boy, but notice who else is travelling with them!
http://search.ancestry.com/cgibin/sse.dll?new=1&gsfn=Cornelius&gsln=Tully&rank=1&gss=angsc&mswpn__ftp=New+York&pcat=40&h=232182&recoff=8+9&db=nypl&indiv=1&ml_
rpos=6
Probably the other Cornelius (above, b. 1826, b. Ireland, sailing from Liverpool,) is the
Cornelius Tully of this 1860 census record2: (below) notice that Cornelius Tully b. 1826
named a daughter Margaret and a son Phillip.
Hypothesis: There may be some relationship between these two Cornelius Tullys. The
one b. 1826 travelled with McManus family and named 2 children same as Cornelius b.
ca 1844.
We may want to research both families.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.Year: 1852; Arrival: New York, New York;
Microfilm Serial: M237, 1820-1897; Microfilm Roll: Roll 110; Line: 28; List Number:
257.
1
Ancestry.com. 1860 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT,
USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearchYear:
1860; Census Place: New York Ward 20 District 2, New York, New York; Roll:
M653_816; Page: 300; Image: 301; Family History Library Film: 803816.
2
Ca 1865 -1876 Cornelius Tully (b. 1844) immigrates
Note: In 1866 a Cornelius Tully, presumably not this Cornelius Tully, was naturalized in
NYC. His nationality is given as English and for now I am going to only note the event,
which can be found in Fold3. But we’ll go back to separate out information on all
Cornelius Tullys.
1870
If he immigrated prior to 1870 census, we should be able to find him, but haven’t so far.
But we do find this Tully family in NYC – 7th District, 14th Ward – Bridgit/Mary? Has
Cornelius died? Is there another Phillip b. 1851?
Phillip is a glass cutter. Ellen a shoecutter.
What is John’s occupation?
Why do we want to pay such special attention to occupations?
http://www.americanancestors.org/nyc-research-guide-pt3/
https://sites.google.com/site/onlinedirectorysite/Home/usa/ny/newyorkcity
Look at this 15 Nov 1872 death notice from the New York Herald3
3
“Died.” New York Herald, Nov. 15, 1872 p. 8 ; digital image at GenealogyBank.com
Is that age 32? Or could it be 52?? 82??
I believe the “Dublin papers please copy” instruction is to the prior death notice. But
what do we care? We have a parish and county in Ireland for a Mary McManus , wife of
Cornelius Tully.
In 1910 we will earn that Cornelius was married more than once. If Mary was 32 in
1872, she would have been born around 1840—a good age to be the wife of our
Cornelius.
And given the McManus name for both her and the mother of his subsequent children, we
have another solid link.
Where is this address? Today it is here; did it change?
In the 1870 and 1872 City Directories for NYC I can find no Cornelius Tully; no Tully at
the address in the obituary.
In 1872 I find this entry:
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In 1870 I find Bridgit, widow of Cornelius, telling us that the older Cornelius has died.
We need to find what churches (Catholic?) would serve these areas.
Ca. 1874 Cornelius Tully marries, probably to Rose (is she also called Annie?), who is
his wife in 1900, when both have been married 26 years. Enumerators’ instructions were
“Column 10. Number of years married.-Enter in this column for all persons reported as married
(column 9) the number of years married (to present husband or wife)…”
Hypothesis: After Mary’s death, Cornelius married her sister (or cousin). Possibly he
went back to Ireland to do so, or she came to America to marry Cornelius. Later census
records indicate Rose Tully, who appears to be named Annie McManus in the children’s
records, immigrated around 1875.
What about the consistent use of the name Rose in the census records, Ann or Annie in
the vital records?
-Ca 1875 Birth of dau Mary NY --- notice the name of their first daughter.
Ca 1877 Birth of son Philip NY – notice he names his first two children Philip
Ca 1879 Birth of dau Margaret NY and Margaret, as did the Cornelius b. 1826.
Residence 1880
Farm of Henry Laidlaw, Banker Croton Aqueduct btw Sedgwick & Undercliff Ave,
Bronx, NY – in this record his wife is named Ann.
5 Nov. 1882 birth of son John Cornelius b. Manhattan ; parents named Cornelius Tully
and Annie McMannis
8 April 1884 birth of son Joseph b. Manhattan; parents named Cornelius Tully and Ann
Callahan
See if there is more information on the original record
You will have to order the index to get the certificate number
Both of these records are abstracted from this large microfilm set
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/210570?availability=Family%20History%20Libra
ry
Birth certificates no. 354001-356800 1882 & Birth certificates no. 394001-397000 1884
There are also index cards and you would have to look at the index card to get the Record
#. I don’t know if the original record will contain more information than is in the
abstract or not, but the best practice is always to look at the original.
These are microfilm of original records in the Municipal Archives, New York, New
York.
10-7-1891 Named in will of his employer, Virginia (New York Times Notice)4
He is called “Con the gardener”
12 March 1892: Naturalization5 in New York City
New York Times Oct. 7, 1891, digital image on NewspaperArchive.com
Publication Number: M1674 Soundex Index to Petitions for Naturalizations Filed in
Federal, State, and Local Courts in New York City, 1792-1906 NARA Record Group:21
State: New York, Cornelius Tully from Fold 3
4
5
Side 1
Side 2
1900 Census 6
New York Co Bronx Boro
Address: Hampden St nr Grand Av House # 160
Tully Cornelius Head W M Mch 1840 60 M 26 Ire Ire Ire im 1876 24 yrs in U.S. Na
Gardener rents
Tully Rose
W ife W F Apl 1850 50 M 26 6 4 Ire Ire Ire im 1873 27 yrs in U.S.
Tully Mary
Dau W F Aug 1875 24 S
NY Ire Ire
Servant
Tully Maggie Dau W F June 1879 20 S
NY Ire Ire
Servant
6
U.S. Census 1900 ED 1030 sheet 10 line 23
Tully Joseph
Son
W M Apl 1884 16 S
NY Ire Ire
Laborer Ship line
When you see ages like 50 and 60 for the adults (or 55 and 65) there is always the chance
that they were rounded, as in about 50, or in her 50’s.
John Cornelius would be 17 (to turn 18 in November) but he is not enumerated with
family. We want to find him.
Per 1900 Census record C&R Tully married 26 yrs ago. Tho she may be his 2nd or 3rd
wife Rose is enumerated as mother of 4 surviving children. She & Cornelius are
enumerated in 1905 NYS census and 1910 US Census.
1901 marriage of dau Maggie7
Wm.F. Mccabe
Maggie A. Tully
Event Date:
29 Jan 1901
Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Father's Name:
Wm. Mccabe
Mother's Name:
Agnes Murphy
Spouse's Father's Name:
Cornelius Tully
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Annie Mcmannu
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00504-8
System Origin:
New_York-ODM
GS Film number:
1570444
This film number is to this microfilm set
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/399474?availability=Family%20History%20Libra
ry film covering Certificates no. 1001-2279 1901
The information was abstracted from the certificate but the certificate number is not
included in the abstract. To find it, you will also have to order the corresponding index
film.
1905 State Census s
Bronx, address E 183rd nr Grand Ave & Aqueduct Ave East.
Cornelius Tully 60, gardener;
Rose wife at 55, doing housework
Both b. Ireland, 40 yrs in U.S.
"New York, Marriages, 1686-1980," index, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F674-ZNB : accessed 22 Apr 2014),
Cornelius Tully in entry for Wm.F. Mccabe and Maggie A. Tully, 29 Jan 1901; citing
reference ; FHL microfilm 1570444.
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1910 census
Bronx Assembly District 35, New York, New York
One of three families living at W. 183rd St.
Cornelius Tully
Rose Tully
wife
65
60
Notice he was married more than once (m2) ; she more than once (m1). The M2 does not
necessarily designate two marriages. SEE Enumerators instructions
https://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1910.shtml
“ if this is the first marriage, write "M1," but if this is the second or subsequent marriage,
write "M2" (meaning married more than once).”
On this page we also learn that the enumerators were instructed to specify number of
years in current marriage. But it could not have been 25 if they were married 26 years
in 1900. One of these is off.
Also, this census record indicates that each immigrated in 1875, whereas 1900 said 1876
and 1873 respectively, he in U.S. 24 years, she 27. Which do you think is likely to be
more accurate?