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Chat Transcript: Santiago Stephen Raulli: define minimum Feb 18, 2010 3:02:04 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: oh no she's recording! Feb 18, 2010 3:02:05 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: be on your best behavior Feb 18, 2010 3:02:07 PM EST [AUDREY WALBRIDGE joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:02:09 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: im tired of tiger woods Feb 18, 2010 3:02:11 PM EST Stephen Raulli: im screwed Feb 18, 2010 3:02:12 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: who cares about em Feb 18, 2010 3:02:16 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: him Feb 18, 2010 3:02:20 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: word Feb 18, 2010 3:02:22 PM EST Stephen Raulli: THE WORLD Feb 18, 2010 3:02:22 PM EST [KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:02:25 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: maybe u do Feb 18, 2010 3:02:26 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: but i dont Feb 18, 2010 3:02:29 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i couldnt care less Feb 18, 2010 3:02:32 PM EST Stephen Raulli: I dont but cnn wants me to Feb 18, 2010 3:02:33 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: thats his business Feb 18, 2010 3:02:35 PM EST Sky Davis: th world def does not care Feb 18, 2010 3:02:35 PM EST Michele Polak: FOR THOSE JUST JOINING...GET COMFY. WE'LL START AT 3:10 Feb 18, 2010 3:02:37 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:02:38 PM EST Sky Davis: america seems to Feb 18, 2010 3:02:40 PM EST [KRISTEN CRAGG joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:02:41 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i guess Feb 18, 2010 3:02:46 PM EST Stephen Raulli: america has nothing better to do Feb 18, 2010 3:02:49 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: it's annoying Feb 18, 2010 3:02:50 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: he used to be so wholesome.... Feb 18, 2010 3:02:52 PM EST Stephen Raulli: what recession?? Feb 18, 2010 3:02:56 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: lol word Feb 18, 2010 3:02:57 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: people need jobs Feb 18, 2010 3:03:07 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: I need a nap Feb 18, 2010 3:03:13 PM EST [AUDREY WALBRIDGE left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:03:16 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: n we will all be happy Feb 18, 2010 3:03:17 PM EST Sky Davis: i need job Feb 18, 2010 3:03:17 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:03:20 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i need a bagel Feb 18, 2010 3:03:22 PM EST [Sarah Ducott joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:03:30 PM EST Sky Davis: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:03:30 PM EST Stephen Raulli: I think theres something with healthcare.....but I need to tivo the olympics Feb 18, 2010 3:03:33 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:03:33 PM EST Michele Polak: BAGEL> WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED YET! Feb 18, 2010 3:03:42 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: ohh Feb 18, 2010 3:03:46 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i wasn't sure Feb 18, 2010 3:03:49 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: im hungry tho Feb 18, 2010 3:03:51 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: delivery ? Feb 18, 2010 3:03:59 PM EST Stephen Raulli: I love how ppl think the olympics are this uniting thing and makes us forget about the economy Feb 18, 2010 3:04:02 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i mean it kinda does Feb 18, 2010 3:04:12 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I love the olympics Feb 18, 2010 3:04:17 PM EST Stephen Raulli: like "go sean white! now it's time to go get my welfare check!' Feb 18, 2010 3:04:17 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: lmao0 Feb 18, 2010 3:04:25 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: hahahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:04:28 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: the current olympic sport that is on is really werid Feb 18, 2010 3:04:35 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: this shooting skiing thing Feb 18, 2010 3:04:40 PM EST Stephen Raulli: curling? Feb 18, 2010 3:04:45 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: the biathalon Feb 18, 2010 3:04:45 PM EST Michele Polak: MY FAVE PART? MILEY CYRUS BEING PLAYED Feb 18, 2010 3:04:48 PM EST Sarah Ducott: what channel Feb 18, 2010 3:04:51 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: ew Feb 18, 2010 3:04:52 PM EST [SARAH CANAVAN joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:04:54 PM EST Sky Davis: I HATE MILEY Feb 18, 2010 3:04:55 PM EST [Christopher Bramwell joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:04:55 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: hahahahah Feb 18, 2010 3:04:56 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: me too Feb 18, 2010 3:04:59 PM EST Stephen Raulli: did anyone see the female skiier eat it last night? Feb 18, 2010 3:05:00 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: Hello! Feb 18, 2010 3:05:00 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: hello everyone Feb 18, 2010 3:05:01 PM EST Sky Davis: and TAYLOR SWIFT Feb 18, 2010 3:05:01 PM EST [AUDREY WALBRIDGE joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:05:01 PM EST [KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:05:01 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: woah i left somehow! Feb 18, 2010 3:05:07 PM EST Michele Polak: FOR THOSE JUST JOINING....WE'LL START AT 3:10. GET COMFY Feb 18, 2010 3:05:10 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yo y is my pc making a weird noice when ppl sing on ? Feb 18, 2010 3:05:14 PM EST [ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:05:15 PM EST Stephen Raulli: I just did a review for we are the world for the martini Feb 18, 2010 3:05:15 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: it sucks Feb 18, 2010 3:05:23 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i have this hard chair in my room Feb 18, 2010 3:05:25 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: oh man, i was sprinting to get here Feb 18, 2010 3:05:26 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: the song i mean Feb 18, 2010 3:05:27 PM EST Stephen Raulli: yerah it does!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:05:30 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: im in the library, quite comfy Feb 18, 2010 3:05:38 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: is it a sqeeky door opening sound? Feb 18, 2010 3:05:39 PM EST Stephen Raulli: what the eff with the rapping????? Feb 18, 2010 3:05:40 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea Feb 18, 2010 3:05:43 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: rapping?? Feb 18, 2010 3:05:50 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i know right! Feb 18, 2010 3:05:51 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: ? Feb 18, 2010 3:05:53 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: im lost Feb 18, 2010 3:05:55 PM EST Sarah Ducott: im on my couch Feb 18, 2010 3:05:56 PM EST Stephen Raulli: Michael Jackson's ghost dueting with janet was weird Feb 18, 2010 3:05:59 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: nicee Feb 18, 2010 3:05:59 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: what are we talking about Feb 18, 2010 3:06:00 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: no idea Feb 18, 2010 3:06:03 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: katie u said u r in the lib Feb 18, 2010 3:06:04 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: seriously Feb 18, 2010 3:06:05 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: how can ub e lost ? Feb 18, 2010 3:06:07 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: ya i kno Feb 18, 2010 3:06:09 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: kinda creeped me out Feb 18, 2010 3:06:12 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: not physically lost! Feb 18, 2010 3:06:13 PM EST Michele Polak: MY NIECE WANTS ME TO GIVE HER MY LPATOP SO SHE COULD PLAY FARMVILLE. I TRIED TELLING HER WE ARE ABOUT TO START CLASS! Feb 18, 2010 3:06:13 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: you dummy Feb 18, 2010 3:06:14 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: like conersationally Feb 18, 2010 3:06:17 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: ohh Feb 18, 2010 3:06:17 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: ooh u call me a dummy Feb 18, 2010 3:06:21 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: damnn Feb 18, 2010 3:06:22 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: they look exactly a like, except she s still black Feb 18, 2010 3:06:23 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: thats messed up Feb 18, 2010 3:06:25 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: oh no, i quit farmville Feb 18, 2010 3:06:26 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yep Feb 18, 2010 3:06:28 PM EST Stephen Raulli: SCREW FARMVILLE ZOOLAND AND ALL THAT CRAP Feb 18, 2010 3:06:30 PM EST Sarah Ducott: what's farmvile Feb 18, 2010 3:06:32 PM EST Sky Davis: noo...give it to hr Michele Feb 18, 2010 3:06:32 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: hahaha farmville is a problem Feb 18, 2010 3:06:32 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: ive never been on farmville Feb 18, 2010 3:06:34 PM EST Sky Davis: *her Feb 18, 2010 3:06:36 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: first the 16 yr old now you Feb 18, 2010 3:06:37 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: dont start Feb 18, 2010 3:06:39 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: this is so mean Feb 18, 2010 3:06:39 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes hand it over! Feb 18, 2010 3:06:41 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i hateee farmville Feb 18, 2010 3:06:43 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: am i still logged on? Feb 18, 2010 3:06:43 PM EST Stephen Raulli: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:06:46 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: yes! Feb 18, 2010 3:06:47 PM EST Michele Polak: I SEE YOU CHRIS Feb 18, 2010 3:06:47 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: haha but the 16 year old was sincere Feb 18, 2010 3:06:52 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: im not Feb 18, 2010 3:06:53 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:06:56 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: oh wow Feb 18, 2010 3:06:57 PM EST Michele Polak: GOT ABOUT 4 MORE MIN TO PLAY FOLKS Feb 18, 2010 3:06:58 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: meann Feb 18, 2010 3:06:59 PM EST Stephen Raulli: wha 16 yr old? Feb 18, 2010 3:07:03 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: the one from the high school Feb 18, 2010 3:07:10 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: the lil chick Feb 18, 2010 3:07:10 PM EST Stephen Raulli: what* Feb 18, 2010 3:07:10 PM EST [Ashley Yang joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:07:12 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: the one who was mean to him Feb 18, 2010 3:07:13 PM EST [AUDREY WALBRIDGE left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:07:16 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: amaury, audrey just asked me if i had my book Feb 18, 2010 3:07:19 PM EST Stephen Raulli: oh hahahahahahah Feb 18, 2010 3:07:19 PM EST Stephen Raulli: but shes cute thats why ppl hate her! Feb 18, 2010 3:07:26 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: haha eww Feb 18, 2010 3:07:33 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: haha i didnt get to see her Feb 18, 2010 3:07:33 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: wtf ? Feb 18, 2010 3:07:34 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: woh audrye? Feb 18, 2010 3:07:35 PM EST [AUDREY WALBRIDGE joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:07:42 PM EST Ashley Yang: OK so who saw the skier WIPE OUT for 190 feet last night? Feb 18, 2010 3:07:42 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: people hate audrey? Feb 18, 2010 3:07:43 PM EST Stephen Raulli: amaury thats wut u said she said Feb 18, 2010 3:07:47 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i missed it! Feb 18, 2010 3:07:48 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: me?! Feb 18, 2010 3:07:54 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah that was such a bad fall Feb 18, 2010 3:07:54 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: i didn't say anything Feb 18, 2010 3:07:57 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: michele you should post the bideo Feb 18, 2010 3:07:59 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: no she said she is cute so she can get away with stuff lol Feb 18, 2010 3:08:02 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: video* Feb 18, 2010 3:08:04 PM EST Ashley Yang: Did you find it michele? Feb 18, 2010 3:08:05 PM EST Sarah Ducott: was it a guy or girl Feb 18, 2010 3:08:05 PM EST Stephen Raulli: I missed it but heard my entire house groan Feb 18, 2010 3:08:06 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: that girl was horrible Feb 18, 2010 3:08:09 PM EST Michele Polak: I Feb 18, 2010 3:08:09 PM EST Michele Polak: I'M LOOKING FOR THE SKI CRASH VID NOW Feb 18, 2010 3:08:17 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: okay! Feb 18, 2010 3:08:21 PM EST Stephen Raulli: of course you are Feb 18, 2010 3:08:23 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: send it to us all Feb 18, 2010 3:08:25 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i saw it- it was bad! Feb 18, 2010 3:08:31 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea or else Feb 18, 2010 3:08:32 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: please Feb 18, 2010 3:08:33 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: wow Feb 18, 2010 3:08:35 PM EST Michele Polak: http://tv.gawker.com/5474312/three-women-skiers-go-down-hard-at-the-olympics Feb 18, 2010 3:08:35 PM EST Sky Davis: yah!! Feb 18, 2010 3:08:35 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: scary bad? Feb 18, 2010 3:08:36 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: ruthless Feb 18, 2010 3:08:37 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:08:39 PM EST Ashley Yang: aw crap this doesn't beep if it's minimized, does it? Feb 18, 2010 3:08:40 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: like she's really lucky she isn't really hurt bad Feb 18, 2010 3:08:49 PM EST Michele Polak: STILL WAITING ON A FEW PEOPLE THEN WE'LL BEGIN Feb 18, 2010 3:08:51 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: whactch your language ashley Feb 18, 2010 3:08:57 PM EST Stephen Raulli: ashley where is the meeting tonight??? Feb 18, 2010 3:09:01 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: "crap" is offensive Feb 18, 2010 3:09:02 PM EST Stephen Raulli: say carp Feb 18, 2010 3:09:07 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:09:11 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: hahahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:09:14 PM EST [Edlange Philistin joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:09:14 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: I know Sam comes from Winn-Sealy, so it might take her a little while to get to a computer... Feb 18, 2010 3:09:16 PM EST Sky Davis: its funny...i was looking for the snowboard video online...but if no one falls....no one flms it )= Feb 18, 2010 3:09:16 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: thats hilarious Feb 18, 2010 3:09:16 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: its true sky Feb 18, 2010 3:09:24 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: who lives by me and has any food Feb 18, 2010 3:09:25 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: they need accidents Feb 18, 2010 3:09:26 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: ? Feb 18, 2010 3:09:27 PM EST Ashley Yang: where do you live am aury Feb 18, 2010 3:09:32 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: your that hungry? Feb 18, 2010 3:09:33 PM EST Ashley Yang: amaury* Feb 18, 2010 3:09:34 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i live in North aka Caird Hall Feb 18, 2010 3:09:39 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: amaury your ridiculous Feb 18, 2010 3:09:42 PM EST Ashley Yang: Oh hell on. Feb 18, 2010 3:09:43 PM EST Ashley Yang: I live in Stewardson. Feb 18, 2010 3:09:46 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i have no idea where that is Feb 18, 2010 3:09:52 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: go to the cafe Feb 18, 2010 3:09:54 PM EST Stephen Raulli: ash ur so lazy Feb 18, 2010 3:09:55 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: amaury there's a vending machine on the first floor... Feb 18, 2010 3:09:58 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:09:59 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: thats so true! Feb 18, 2010 3:10:03 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: oh snap Feb 18, 2010 3:10:06 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: go to the venidng machien Feb 18, 2010 3:10:06 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i forgot Feb 18, 2010 3:10:07 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: thanks Feb 18, 2010 3:10:08 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: with snacks and drinks! Feb 18, 2010 3:10:12 PM EST Stephen Raulli: now were talking about feeding amaury????? Feb 18, 2010 3:10:12 PM EST Michele Polak: OK FOLKS. READY TO BEGIN? Feb 18, 2010 3:10:14 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: youre welcome :) Feb 18, 2010 3:10:14 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:10:16 PM EST Sarah Ducott: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:10:18 PM EST Stephen Raulli: wow we get off topic Feb 18, 2010 3:10:19 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: sure Feb 18, 2010 3:10:19 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: suree Feb 18, 2010 3:10:21 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: yup! Feb 18, 2010 3:10:21 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: yup Feb 18, 2010 3:10:21 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yessir Feb 18, 2010 3:10:26 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: sir? Feb 18, 2010 3:10:29 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: yup Feb 18, 2010 3:10:29 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yesmam Feb 18, 2010 3:10:31 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i guess Feb 18, 2010 3:10:32 PM EST Sky Davis: yup Feb 18, 2010 3:10:35 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: ya Feb 18, 2010 3:10:36 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: yey! Feb 18, 2010 3:10:37 PM EST Ashley Yang: merrr if we must Feb 18, 2010 3:10:39 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:10:49 PM EST Michele Polak: HEY ITS HER NIECE. WERE IN A COFFEE SHOP AND EVERYONES GETTING PISSED AT MY AUNT CAUSE SHES SO LOUD FROM WATCHING THE CRASHING VIDEO AHAHAAHA WHAT A CLASS THIS IS. Feb 18, 2010 3:10:51 PM EST Stephen Raulli: Can we keep a blog where we trash the high schjoolers? Feb 18, 2010 3:10:53 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: im texting sam to get an ETA Feb 18, 2010 3:10:58 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: hahahahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:11:00 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:11:00 PM EST Ashley Yang: To her niece: I'm sorry. Feb 18, 2010 3:11:02 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: play farmville! Feb 18, 2010 3:11:06 PM EST Ashley Yang: Your aunt is a lunatic Feb 18, 2010 3:11:07 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i dont want to have class Feb 18, 2010 3:11:13 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: booo Feb 18, 2010 3:11:16 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: Hi Michele's niece! Feb 18, 2010 3:11:19 PM EST Stephen Raulli: lunatic is up for interpretation Feb 18, 2010 3:11:19 PM EST Michele Polak: OK *NOW* CAN WE GET STARTED? Feb 18, 2010 3:11:21 PM EST Stephen Raulli: no Feb 18, 2010 3:11:24 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i say you turn of micheles computer Feb 18, 2010 3:11:24 PM EST Ashley Yang: Finnneeee Feb 18, 2010 3:11:25 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: then class is canceled Feb 18, 2010 3:11:27 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: off Feb 18, 2010 3:11:30 PM EST Stephen Raulli: woohoo Feb 18, 2010 3:11:31 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: hahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:11:32 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: hi!! Feb 18, 2010 3:11:33 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: go get a bagel! Feb 18, 2010 3:11:37 PM EST Ashley Yang: someone go hack Blackboard and crash the system... Feb 18, 2010 3:11:39 PM EST Michele Polak: ALRIGHT. LET'S START WITH SOME SANTIAGO, SHALL WE? Feb 18, 2010 3:11:40 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: yeah agreed amaury Feb 18, 2010 3:11:41 PM EST Ashley Yang: OK Feb 18, 2010 3:11:45 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: okie Feb 18, 2010 3:11:45 PM EST Ashley Yang: I liked the book. Feb 18, 2010 3:11:47 PM EST Stephen Raulli: finnne Feb 18, 2010 3:11:49 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: that book sucked Feb 18, 2010 3:11:50 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: me too! Feb 18, 2010 3:11:51 PM EST Ashley Yang: Even if she was a little slutty. Feb 18, 2010 3:11:52 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: grr tom Feb 18, 2010 3:11:54 PM EST Stephen Raulli: define slutty Feb 18, 2010 3:11:58 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: it was okay not that great Feb 18, 2010 3:11:58 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea i like that Feb 18, 2010 3:12:00 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i liked the book Feb 18, 2010 3:12:00 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I thought it was too mature in content Feb 18, 2010 3:12:01 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: i liked it but it took forever to read! Feb 18, 2010 3:12:03 PM EST Ashley Yang: yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:12:03 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i liked the structure Feb 18, 2010 3:12:03 PM EST Ashley Yang: older adolescent definitely Feb 18, 2010 3:12:06 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: she was just exploring her sexuality Feb 18, 2010 3:12:06 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: i liked it Feb 18, 2010 3:12:06 PM EST Michele Polak: YOU CANNOT MAKE A LCAIM LIKE "THE BOOK SUCKED" AND NOT BACK THAT UP. Feb 18, 2010 3:12:06 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: how the chapters were set up Feb 18, 2010 3:12:07 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: I liked it, honestly. It just took a long time to get through becuase it was so meaty Feb 18, 2010 3:12:08 PM EST Michele Polak: WHY DID IT SUCK? Feb 18, 2010 3:12:09 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah, it was a bit dry a times Feb 18, 2010 3:12:12 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: it was pretty long Feb 18, 2010 3:12:14 PM EST Sky Davis: yeah....i liked the book as well Feb 18, 2010 3:12:14 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: def. Ashley Feb 18, 2010 3:12:16 PM EST Michele Polak: WHY DID YOU LIKE IT? Feb 18, 2010 3:12:18 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i thought it was going to be a typical immigrant book and it wasn't which i found interesting Feb 18, 2010 3:12:20 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: its not very memorable Feb 18, 2010 3:12:20 PM EST Stephen Raulli: nothing happened to her! Feb 18, 2010 3:12:20 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: it was SO boring at times Feb 18, 2010 3:12:21 PM EST Ashley Yang: I liked the chapters- how they incorporated dialogue Feb 18, 2010 3:12:25 PM EST Ashley Yang: I also just related because she was a dancer Feb 18, 2010 3:12:29 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i enjoyed how we learned what happened throughout her ligfe Feb 18, 2010 3:12:31 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: covered a lot of time Feb 18, 2010 3:12:33 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: it was just so boring and like everyother "immigrant coming to america" story Feb 18, 2010 3:12:41 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: OK- MICHELE- Sam is trying to get one, she'll be here!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:12:44 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i definitely think being able to relate to the character was important Feb 18, 2010 3:12:45 PM EST Michele Polak: THANKS SARAH Feb 18, 2010 3:12:50 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: did you boys have a hard time because she wa female? Feb 18, 2010 3:13:04 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: it was interesting for a memoir Feb 18, 2010 3:13:05 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I had trouble relating to her in a lot of instances Feb 18, 2010 3:13:07 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: did that have to do with it? Feb 18, 2010 3:13:07 PM EST Michele Polak: HOW WAS THIS STORY DIFF THAN OTHER "IMMIGARNT" STORIES. TOM THINKS IT WASN'T Feb 18, 2010 3:13:12 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i think the relationship between her mom and her was touching Feb 18, 2010 3:13:13 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: no, i had no problem witht hte fact she was female Feb 18, 2010 3:13:18 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: i would have had a hard time when i was younger because she's a female Feb 18, 2010 3:13:20 PM EST Stephen Raulli: I think the family had to be a bigger part in the second half; all we had were boyfriends, so when she had to choose between the control freak and the family we couldn't feel her struggle and ultimate decision Feb 18, 2010 3:13:25 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: i liked it... she is such an interesting character and her life is always changing Feb 18, 2010 3:13:26 PM EST Ashley Yang: I think it was different because she didn't play teh pity card Feb 18, 2010 3:13:26 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i dont think it was that different Feb 18, 2010 3:13:27 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea. I can actually relate to her , expecially about being so poor. I know families that lived in my neighborhood with many kids and have to continously move. Feb 18, 2010 3:13:27 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: but now, i'm idifferent towards that fact Feb 18, 2010 3:13:28 PM EST Sky Davis: thats an interesting point chis Feb 18, 2010 3:13:37 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i took immigrant experiences last year and i think this book would have been totally relevant Feb 18, 2010 3:13:42 PM EST Ashley Yang: she was successful--she was on broadway. It wasn't another "pity me, I don't speak English" book Feb 18, 2010 3:13:43 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i think it was different. has anyone read in the time of butterflies before? Feb 18, 2010 3:13:45 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i feel like she was very promiscuous, which was differtn than other immigrant stories ive read Feb 18, 2010 3:13:45 PM EST Ashley Yang: true, katie Feb 18, 2010 3:13:52 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah i think it wasnt typical because i never felt like she wanted to get our sympathy Feb 18, 2010 3:13:53 PM EST Michele Polak: WOW. YOU GUYS ARE REALLY DO SOME SOLID ANALYSIS HERE. I WAS GETTING WORRIED Feb 18, 2010 3:14:04 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i dont think it was about sympathy Feb 18, 2010 3:14:05 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: ya me neither Feb 18, 2010 3:14:14 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i think it was just telling her story Feb 18, 2010 3:14:15 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: def. not Feb 18, 2010 3:14:18 PM EST Edlange Philistin: i agree Feb 18, 2010 3:14:19 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think she left us with a blank slate sometimes Feb 18, 2010 3:14:20 PM EST Ashley Yang: right--thast whaty I liked it Feb 18, 2010 3:14:21 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: it was horrible compared to this and little to none plot. generally in immigrant books i feel like the story itself had good plot and emotions Feb 18, 2010 3:14:23 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: like for us to interpret her actions Feb 18, 2010 3:14:25 PM EST Michele Polak: WHAT OTHER WASY COULD SHE HAVE TOLD HER STORY? Feb 18, 2010 3:14:27 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea her story could make people feel sympathy foor her but i dnt think seh was lookin for it Feb 18, 2010 3:14:34 PM EST Stephen Raulli: I liked the book was not "female" aka she didn't focus on female issues but teen issues--love, family etc as opposed to her 1st period Feb 18, 2010 3:14:36 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: more involvement with her family Feb 18, 2010 3:14:39 PM EST Ashley Yang: she could have told it less-narrative, more diary-style Feb 18, 2010 3:14:41 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: but i could see how it would be similar to other immigrant books with the lanuage and stuff Feb 18, 2010 3:14:41 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: not at all? Feb 18, 2010 3:14:43 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: talked more about her family membres Feb 18, 2010 3:14:43 PM EST Ashley Yang: but I liked the narrative Feb 18, 2010 3:14:44 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: she could of told it in a diary form Feb 18, 2010 3:14:50 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: so do Feb 18, 2010 3:14:51 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i dont think she was all that pormiscuous i guess the times were different but i wouldn't necessarily call her promiscous on todays standards Feb 18, 2010 3:14:52 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i Feb 18, 2010 3:14:53 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I feel like diary connects the reader more Feb 18, 2010 3:14:53 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: i agree with ashley. diary style would have been effective Feb 18, 2010 3:14:55 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes i agree Feb 18, 2010 3:15:00 PM EST Michele Polak: TOM, YOU ARE GETTING A KICK IN THE PANTS! Feb 18, 2010 3:15:00 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: im not so sure Feb 18, 2010 3:15:00 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i like the diary style as well Feb 18, 2010 3:15:00 PM EST Stephen Raulli: the diary form has been done Feb 18, 2010 3:15:02 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:15:03 PM EST Sarah Ducott: thats what drew me in with monster Feb 18, 2010 3:15:05 PM EST Sky Davis: the style was very journalistic...it kind didnt call for the audince to sympathize with her in any way...but sometimes (i for one) did Feb 18, 2010 3:15:05 PM EST Michele Polak: QUITE A FEW OF YOU LIKE THAT DIARY FORMAT Feb 18, 2010 3:15:12 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: think that could have gotten a little too sappy and internally emotional Feb 18, 2010 3:15:13 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think a diary would have been a better way to document Feb 18, 2010 3:15:14 PM EST Michele Polak: INTERTING. Feb 18, 2010 3:15:19 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: but would have been even logner Feb 18, 2010 3:15:21 PM EST Ashley Yang: I like diary format normally--just not Monster. Feb 18, 2010 3:15:22 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: a diary form has no maturity though, theres no looing back in a diferent point of view Feb 18, 2010 3:15:26 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i disagree about the monster style that was more of a script than diary Feb 18, 2010 3:15:26 PM EST Sky Davis: i think diary form would hav takn a lot away Feb 18, 2010 3:15:30 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i hate monster Feb 18, 2010 3:15:30 PM EST Sarah Ducott: emotions is what connects Feb 18, 2010 3:15:32 PM EST Ashley Yang: God michele youw eren't kidding about your lack of typing skills. Feb 18, 2010 3:15:33 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i liked the story-telling for this particular story Feb 18, 2010 3:15:33 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: it seems like the females like the diary format Feb 18, 2010 3:15:34 PM EST Stephen Raulli: but then we would have questioned her style of writing in a diary Feb 18, 2010 3:15:37 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: but al the diaries people write (anne frank for one) so boring Feb 18, 2010 3:15:37 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: ya... Feb 18, 2010 3:15:39 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: no, no diary format Feb 18, 2010 3:15:42 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: thats true Feb 18, 2010 3:15:43 PM EST Sky Davis: when we write diary form we usually leave out subtle things Feb 18, 2010 3:15:44 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: but i think it depends on structure Feb 18, 2010 3:15:47 PM EST Michele Polak: INTRS AUDIERNY...DIARY HAS NO MATURITY TO IT? Feb 18, 2010 3:15:48 PM EST Stephen Raulli: it wouldnt get to be correct gramatically Feb 18, 2010 3:15:49 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: the diary was great, i never distrusted her, she was always true to the reader with her feelings and thoughts Feb 18, 2010 3:15:49 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: the kind of diary Feb 18, 2010 3:15:50 PM EST [SAMANTHA DIGHTON joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:15:54 PM EST [SAMANTHA DIGHTON left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:15:54 PM EST Sky Davis: like the setting...or what see around us Feb 18, 2010 3:15:56 PM EST Ashley Yang: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:15:58 PM EST Michele Polak: WELCOME SAM Feb 18, 2010 3:15:59 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think the maturity depends on what happenes Feb 18, 2010 3:16:00 PM EST [SAMANTHA DIGHTON joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:16:01 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: and how it is told Feb 18, 2010 3:16:03 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: YAY sam! Feb 18, 2010 3:16:04 PM EST Sky Davis: diary style is very much all about the I Feb 18, 2010 3:16:04 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: thats also true Feb 18, 2010 3:16:05 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: IM HERE!!!!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:16:08 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: a diary would have made it more interesting. it could have made the story more personal Feb 18, 2010 3:16:09 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea Feb 18, 2010 3:16:10 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: not no maturity, just no ability to look in past and see whats imprtant Feb 18, 2010 3:16:11 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: no one cares Sam Feb 18, 2010 3:16:13 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah i agree i think the diary establishes a sort of trust Feb 18, 2010 3:16:13 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:16:14 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: jsk Feb 18, 2010 3:16:15 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: definitely add presonality Feb 18, 2010 3:16:18 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: it would just be a very different story Feb 18, 2010 3:16:21 PM EST Ashley Yang: Did the Spanish bother anyone? It didn't bother me because I could translate it but I know it bothered some. Feb 18, 2010 3:16:22 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: a diary wouldn't have made the book more successful Feb 18, 2010 3:16:22 PM EST Sky Davis: i was okay with hearing everything Feb 18, 2010 3:16:23 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: be nice amaury Feb 18, 2010 3:16:23 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she didnt seem very presonal to me Feb 18, 2010 3:16:25 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yeah but there is a lack of maturity Feb 18, 2010 3:16:28 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: i don't think the chapters about boys were very mature even thought the format wasn't diary Feb 18, 2010 3:16:29 PM EST Stephen Raulli: how? it Feb 18, 2010 3:16:29 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: yes!!!!!!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:16:29 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I stumbled over the spanish Feb 18, 2010 3:16:31 PM EST Stephen Raulli: how? Feb 18, 2010 3:16:32 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i dont know spanish so i found it difficult Feb 18, 2010 3:16:33 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: it didn't bother me but i didnt look it up Feb 18, 2010 3:16:34 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: I COULDNT HANDLE THE SPANISH Feb 18, 2010 3:16:35 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: I really liked the spanish but i think that if i wasn't familiar with it i woulnd't have liked it Feb 18, 2010 3:16:38 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:16:38 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: it would have been more....emotional...which makes it almost irrelevant to guys Feb 18, 2010 3:16:39 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: sorry Feb 18, 2010 3:16:40 PM EST Michele Polak: WOULD WE GET DETIALS WITH THE DIRAY FORM DO YOU THINK? Feb 18, 2010 3:16:40 PM EST Stephen Raulli: no!! Feb 18, 2010 3:16:45 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: that would be difficult for nonspanish speakers Feb 18, 2010 3:16:46 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: but someone said something about the free translator in class i regret not using it! Feb 18, 2010 3:16:46 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i can see that Feb 18, 2010 3:16:47 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i thought the spanish added a real authentic touch to the novel Feb 18, 2010 3:16:52 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: maybe, perhaps even better ones Feb 18, 2010 3:16:53 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: for a lot of it i could understand what it meant in context, but for the times i didnt understand i think that added something Feb 18, 2010 3:16:54 PM EST Ashley Yang: Agree with Esther Feb 18, 2010 3:16:58 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: of course something would be left out Feb 18, 2010 3:16:59 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: but the translator adds working while reading Feb 18, 2010 3:17:00 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: that's true, the spanish would be tough Feb 18, 2010 3:17:00 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: thats no dun Feb 18, 2010 3:17:01 PM EST Stephen Raulli: because it's about her LOOKING BACK..not living in the present! Feb 18, 2010 3:17:02 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I think the spanish adds, but it gave me trouble Feb 18, 2010 3:17:02 PM EST Edlange Philistin: i think the spanish made the story so much more realist Feb 18, 2010 3:17:08 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i think you would get more detials and emotion with a diary Feb 18, 2010 3:17:08 PM EST Michele Polak: AH. SO NOW YOU KNOW FREE TRANSLATOR IS A GOOD TOOL! LET'S REMEBER THAT FOR OUR HUIGH SCHOOLERS Feb 18, 2010 3:17:10 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: i liked the spanish because it showed the culture differences, some words just can't be translated Feb 18, 2010 3:17:16 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: ya we should suggest it Feb 18, 2010 3:17:17 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i went to look for this book on cd and all they had was in spansih Feb 18, 2010 3:17:17 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: because people feel comfortable opening up Feb 18, 2010 3:17:19 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: becuase they haven't read it yet Feb 18, 2010 3:17:19 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i can translate ! Feb 18, 2010 3:17:21 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: by the end of the book there was little spanish, she finally established herself in a new way with her knowledge of english Feb 18, 2010 3:17:23 PM EST Michele Polak: WOW TOM. ONLY IN SPANISH? Feb 18, 2010 3:17:26 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:17:29 PM EST Stephen Raulli: yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:17:30 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she should have translated Feb 18, 2010 3:17:31 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE GRACE Feb 18, 2010 3:17:31 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: so frustrating Feb 18, 2010 3:17:32 PM EST Michele Polak: WHY NOT TRANSLATE? Feb 18, 2010 3:17:38 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i couldnt read it Feb 18, 2010 3:17:38 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: understandbale Feb 18, 2010 3:17:43 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: also the diary perspective would be different because she's older when telling the story Feb 18, 2010 3:17:43 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: which adds perspective Feb 18, 2010 3:17:47 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: maybe the american in you wants her to translate Feb 18, 2010 3:17:48 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: it keeps her identity pure Feb 18, 2010 3:17:50 PM EST Ashley Yang: Why not translate? Because the meaning would be lost; Feb 18, 2010 3:17:53 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: likes shes looking back on her life Feb 18, 2010 3:17:53 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: be a global citizen! Feb 18, 2010 3:17:54 PM EST Stephen Raulli: but why write a doary when ur older? Feb 18, 2010 3:17:55 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE CHRIS! GOLD STAR! Feb 18, 2010 3:17:56 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE ANAURY Feb 18, 2010 3:18:00 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: i really liked the spanish though im not really acquainted with the language Feb 18, 2010 3:18:02 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: thanks :) Feb 18, 2010 3:18:05 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: Anaury ? Feb 18, 2010 3:18:06 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: really ? Feb 18, 2010 3:18:07 PM EST Sarah Ducott: why not write a diary when you're older? Feb 18, 2010 3:18:07 PM EST Michele Polak: AMAURY Feb 18, 2010 3:18:11 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: ok Feb 18, 2010 3:18:13 PM EST Stephen Raulli: about when ur younger i mean Feb 18, 2010 3:18:16 PM EST Michele Polak: MY TYPING SUX. YOU KNOW IT Feb 18, 2010 3:18:18 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i feel ike writing a diary after the point is not good Feb 18, 2010 3:18:20 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i think the spanish keeps us separate from her (or me at least) to an extent, so i could relate to her story but still not totally empathize Feb 18, 2010 3:18:21 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yep Feb 18, 2010 3:18:22 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: then its just a retelling Feb 18, 2010 3:18:23 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:18:24 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: not so personal Feb 18, 2010 3:18:26 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: because when you're older, there's more distance Feb 18, 2010 3:18:27 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: which im not sure is a good or bad thing Feb 18, 2010 3:18:29 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: less ridiculous emotion Feb 18, 2010 3:18:31 PM EST Sky Davis: my tab keeps going up..grr.. Feb 18, 2010 3:18:32 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes, definiely distance Feb 18, 2010 3:18:32 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah i agree but it would have been interesting to see the idary progress with her age Feb 18, 2010 3:18:34 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: words dont always translate as u wish Feb 18, 2010 3:18:36 PM EST Stephen Raulli: me too sky!!!!!!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:18:38 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: me too!!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:18:42 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: me three sky!!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:18:43 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: no lie! Feb 18, 2010 3:18:43 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: when you wrote "sux" michele, i read something different lol Feb 18, 2010 3:18:49 PM EST [Ashley Yang left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:18:51 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: there are things i say in spanish that i cant say in english. Vice versa Feb 18, 2010 3:18:52 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: a diary could have showed more of her translation from spanish to english Feb 18, 2010 3:18:55 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: it had to be that way Feb 18, 2010 3:18:55 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes, she needed more translation Feb 18, 2010 3:19:05 PM EST Michele Polak: SO THE SPANISH NEEDED OT BE THERE Feb 18, 2010 3:19:05 PM EST [Ashley Yang joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:19:07 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:19:08 PM EST Michele Polak: GOOD RHETORICAL CHOICE? Feb 18, 2010 3:19:09 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: definitely Feb 18, 2010 3:19:09 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:19:10 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: but english too Feb 18, 2010 3:19:10 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:19:11 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: def had to be there Feb 18, 2010 3:19:13 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: definitely Feb 18, 2010 3:19:13 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: why do you think she didnt include translations at the bottom of the page? Feb 18, 2010 3:19:13 PM EST Stephen Raulli: but why translate? it was her heritage and shes proud of it Feb 18, 2010 3:19:13 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:19:14 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea a great rhetorical choice Feb 18, 2010 3:19:19 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i think the spanish added that sense that there are things in like that cant be translated, too, not just language Feb 18, 2010 3:19:19 PM EST Sky Davis: yeag Feb 18, 2010 3:19:19 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: would that have taken away from the reading? Feb 18, 2010 3:19:19 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i think it was a good combination Feb 18, 2010 3:19:20 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: yeah i liked the spanish Feb 18, 2010 3:19:25 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: so we could see her biculturalness Feb 18, 2010 3:19:25 PM EST Michele Polak: GODO QUESITON ALI. WHY NTO INCLUDE TRANSLATIONS? Feb 18, 2010 3:19:27 PM EST Sky Davis: i agree....translation asnt needed Feb 18, 2010 3:19:27 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: spanish was very helpful to remind that she wasnt completely immersed in american culture Feb 18, 2010 3:19:29 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:19:34 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: her lack of full conection to american culture Feb 18, 2010 3:19:35 PM EST Ashley Yang: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:19:35 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: it also creates distance between santiago and the reader, just like she must feel distanced from the native english speakers in NYC Feb 18, 2010 3:19:35 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: audrey Feb 18, 2010 3:19:37 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she retainde her spanish Feb 18, 2010 3:19:37 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: because things are lost intranslation Feb 18, 2010 3:19:40 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: so she had ot keep it in the memoir Feb 18, 2010 3:19:40 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE AUDREY! Feb 18, 2010 3:19:40 PM EST Stephen Raulli: but would algo have been as scary had we known the translation? Feb 18, 2010 3:19:40 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: it showed the reader that her past was still veyr much still apart of her Feb 18, 2010 3:19:44 PM EST Sky Davis: if the reader cared enough he/she could have taken the extra step and translated themselves Feb 18, 2010 3:19:44 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: yeah, i said that too sam- i think so Feb 18, 2010 3:19:51 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: because its her story and it wasn't about us understanding it Feb 18, 2010 3:19:53 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: exactly Feb 18, 2010 3:19:53 PM EST Ashley Yang: I thought the Spanish made it almost poetic. "Algo could happen" was a great title. Feb 18, 2010 3:19:56 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: we were as confused as she was when she first came to new york and couldnt understand english, she didnt get a helping hand or a free translater. neither do we. Feb 18, 2010 3:20:00 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: maybe without translating, the reader can get a sense of just how lost she is - maybe the spasnish acted as an identity barrier for the reader Feb 18, 2010 3:20:02 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I think the Spanish connected people who read Spanish and created a barrier for those who couldnt but maybe the intended audience was Spanish speaking people Feb 18, 2010 3:20:02 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:20:02 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think hte spanish definitely spoke to a certain adience Feb 18, 2010 3:20:14 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: audience* Feb 18, 2010 3:20:16 PM EST Michele Polak: OH NICE CHRIS...I LIKE THAT YOU ARE BRINING IT BACK TO DIEIENTY Feb 18, 2010 3:20:17 PM EST Michele Polak: IDENTITY Feb 18, 2010 3:20:19 PM EST Stephen Raulli: it was who she was she was puerto rican Feb 18, 2010 3:20:19 PM EST Stephen Raulli: she always wanted to go back to her countyr Feb 18, 2010 3:20:34 PM EST Michele Polak: SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK WAS THE MOST PIVOTAL SCENE IN THE TEXT? Feb 18, 2010 3:20:37 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: if she lost the spanish, part of her identity was lost Feb 18, 2010 3:20:40 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: I liked how real it was, their grandma "Tata" reminds me of my grandma Feb 18, 2010 3:20:41 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: for real Feb 18, 2010 3:20:42 PM EST Michele Polak: IN THE STORY? Feb 18, 2010 3:20:43 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: awwww Feb 18, 2010 3:20:47 PM EST Michele Polak: I AM CURTIOUS IF YOU ALL AGREE Feb 18, 2010 3:20:49 PM EST Ashley Yang: I really didn't think there was one Feb 18, 2010 3:21:01 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: i think its so gross when that guy on the subway pulls it out in her face hahahaha just sayin Feb 18, 2010 3:21:02 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: i think the ending was pretty important to her identity---Ulvi was a meanie pants Feb 18, 2010 3:21:07 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: its hard to pick one out Feb 18, 2010 3:21:08 PM EST Ashley Yang: It wasn't your typical buildup-climax-letdown sequence Feb 18, 2010 3:21:08 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: agree about the realism? Feb 18, 2010 3:21:09 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: and i'm suprised she stood for it Feb 18, 2010 3:21:13 PM EST Stephen Raulli: the first marriage proposal by the guy she knew 3 hours Feb 18, 2010 3:21:15 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: curious or courteous? Feb 18, 2010 3:21:19 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: when she was about to get married i was shocekd Feb 18, 2010 3:21:22 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: me too Feb 18, 2010 3:21:28 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: yeah that shocked me too Feb 18, 2010 3:21:31 PM EST Sarah Ducott: agreed Feb 18, 2010 3:21:31 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea Feb 18, 2010 3:21:33 PM EST Sky Davis: yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:21:35 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i coudlnt believe it Feb 18, 2010 3:21:36 PM EST Ashley Yang: I just rolled my eyes Feb 18, 2010 3:21:36 PM EST Ashley Yang: I was like, "Really?" Feb 18, 2010 3:21:38 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:21:39 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: agreed Feb 18, 2010 3:21:40 PM EST Sky Davis: hahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:21:41 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i smiled Feb 18, 2010 3:21:42 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:21:43 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:21:44 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: hahahah Feb 18, 2010 3:21:46 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: the marriage part was pretrty bizzare Feb 18, 2010 3:21:48 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah, i didn't think she would let it go that far i was really surprised Feb 18, 2010 3:21:49 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: do any of us actually know what happened at the end? Feb 18, 2010 3:21:50 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: oh yes that was bad im glad she called it off Feb 18, 2010 3:21:52 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes, very Feb 18, 2010 3:21:52 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: it came out of nowhere Feb 18, 2010 3:21:55 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she moves away Feb 18, 2010 3:21:56 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: it kind fo mentions it in the begining Feb 18, 2010 3:22:01 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: she does for sure? Feb 18, 2010 3:22:02 PM EST Michele Polak: GOOD QUESITON SAM. DO WE KNWO WHAT HAPPENED AT THE END? Feb 18, 2010 3:22:03 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: and how her mom moved back to pr Feb 18, 2010 3:22:05 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: it kind of made me proud of her Feb 18, 2010 3:22:07 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: never got there Feb 18, 2010 3:22:10 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she it doesnt feeling like hiome Feb 18, 2010 3:22:10 PM EST Stephen Raulli: no shes in bed at home in the end Feb 18, 2010 3:22:12 PM EST Ashley Yang: I don't think they move Feb 18, 2010 3:22:24 PM EST Ashley Yang: I think she just goes back home. And keeps living her life in New YOrk. Feb 18, 2010 3:22:30 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: well she choose to stay with her family Feb 18, 2010 3:22:32 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: i think if she did move, it would be for the wrong reasons Feb 18, 2010 3:22:34 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: but doesnt it mention in the beginnign something about going back to pr Feb 18, 2010 3:22:35 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: i wonder what happened to Shoshana during her military thing Feb 18, 2010 3:22:37 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: and it not feeling like home?? Feb 18, 2010 3:22:38 PM EST Michele Polak: THIS IS THE SECOND BOOK...DID ANYOEN DO RESEARCH OT FIND OUT IF THERE IS A THIRD BOOK? Feb 18, 2010 3:22:42 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: i'm surprised she was as anti-family as she was Feb 18, 2010 3:22:43 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: I am not sure why people kept speaking on how the story could be an immigrant to the united states. Puerto ricans are americans. i mite be wrong Feb 18, 2010 3:22:46 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i didnt know there was a first book, that's interesting Feb 18, 2010 3:22:53 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i didnt know this was the second Feb 18, 2010 3:22:53 PM EST Sky Davis: if im not mistaken..isnt there aother book after almost a woman? Feb 18, 2010 3:22:54 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: had no idae Feb 18, 2010 3:22:55 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: no idea Feb 18, 2010 3:22:58 PM EST Stephen Raulli: no theres one before Feb 18, 2010 3:23:04 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: yeah i didnt even know there was a series Feb 18, 2010 3:23:04 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: there is, her daughter went to preschool with me Feb 18, 2010 3:23:06 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: really? Feb 18, 2010 3:23:12 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: oh snap Feb 18, 2010 3:23:13 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: thats cool Feb 18, 2010 3:23:14 PM EST Ashley Yang: pretty sure puerto ricans dont view themseslves as americans, aumary Feb 18, 2010 3:23:14 PM EST Michele Polak: THE FIRST BOOK WAS ABOUT HER TIME IN PEURTO RICO ANSA YOUNG GIRL Feb 18, 2010 3:23:15 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: what Feb 18, 2010 3:23:15 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i guess it does say on the top "from the author of when i was perto rican" Feb 18, 2010 3:23:15 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: really? Feb 18, 2010 3:23:15 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: good idea amaury, but they live in a completely different culture than americans do Feb 18, 2010 3:23:18 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: im pretty sure they do Feb 18, 2010 3:23:21 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: was it as boring as this one? Feb 18, 2010 3:23:25 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: so, in a sense, it is a cultural shift Feb 18, 2010 3:23:26 PM EST Ashley Yang: I mean it's individualized Feb 18, 2010 3:23:27 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: but i don't think its connected to the series Feb 18, 2010 3:23:28 PM EST Ashley Yang: and they got a contestant in Miss America Feb 18, 2010 3:23:31 PM EST Sarah Ducott: it was called When I was a Puert Rican Feb 18, 2010 3:23:32 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i didnt think it was boring tom? Feb 18, 2010 3:23:35 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: ! Feb 18, 2010 3:23:36 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i have two aunts that are from PR , and they say they are americans Feb 18, 2010 3:23:37 PM EST Ashley Yang: but still, cutlrally, no, I don't think its' the same as America Feb 18, 2010 3:23:37 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: we should find out about the third Feb 18, 2010 3:23:38 PM EST Sky Davis: loll P.R. is a US territory..but it's pretty much its own place Feb 18, 2010 3:23:39 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE CHRIS....AGAIN A GOOD CONNECITON TO IDENTITY. A LOT ABOUT CULTURE SHIFT Feb 18, 2010 3:23:45 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: she's gone back and written a couple spanish short story anthology type things Feb 18, 2010 3:23:53 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she tried ot retain some of her culture Feb 18, 2010 3:23:54 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: like xmas stories and such Feb 18, 2010 3:23:57 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: but definitely adapted to the new york style Feb 18, 2010 3:24:00 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: her mother tried to stop her fmor changing Feb 18, 2010 3:24:05 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she tried very hard Feb 18, 2010 3:24:07 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: how does one retain so much culture but yet shift to a new one? Feb 18, 2010 3:24:16 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i dont think she compeltely shifts Feb 18, 2010 3:24:26 PM EST Michele Polak: THESE ARE SOME GREAT POINTS YOU ARE ALL NOTING Feb 18, 2010 3:24:32 PM EST Sarah Ducott: its hard to find a balance Feb 18, 2010 3:24:32 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: just picks up parts Feb 18, 2010 3:24:33 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: because u dont lose your self when u adapt to another culture Feb 18, 2010 3:24:33 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: so that they don't lose their original culture and their true identity Feb 18, 2010 3:24:33 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i actually liked that a lot as a tool to keep her connected to her old culture while she's also trying to adapt to the new one (her mom) Feb 18, 2010 3:24:33 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: you gain some new ones Feb 18, 2010 3:24:36 PM EST Ashley Yang: She assimilates; she doesn't totally chang.e Feb 18, 2010 3:24:36 PM EST Sarah Ducott: isn't that the ultimate goal Feb 18, 2010 3:24:36 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE AMAURY, ALI Feb 18, 2010 3:24:40 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: but never lose your original one Feb 18, 2010 3:24:42 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: res ahsley Feb 18, 2010 3:24:42 PM EST Edlange Philistin: american culture is so influenteial though Feb 18, 2010 3:24:44 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE SARAH C Feb 18, 2010 3:24:44 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: yeah she keeps so much of her puerto rican side inside of her she is very connected to her roots Feb 18, 2010 3:24:49 PM EST Michele Polak: YES EDLANGE Feb 18, 2010 3:24:51 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah i agree i dont think that she was trying to shift to a new one i think that she just became sort of assimilated unconsciously Feb 18, 2010 3:24:52 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE ESTHER Feb 18, 2010 3:24:57 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i agree grace Feb 18, 2010 3:24:58 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea Feb 18, 2010 3:25:04 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: i like the part when she had a dream about not being any color or having any nationality, i felt like it showed how much she was struggling to live in the pueto rican and american worlds Feb 18, 2010 3:25:05 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: when u go to a new place you have to assimalate Feb 18, 2010 3:25:12 PM EST Michele Polak: LET'S DO SOME COMPARISONS.... Feb 18, 2010 3:25:12 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: or at least in some cases Feb 18, 2010 3:25:16 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i dont know, its assimilation but its also taking on a whole new identity Feb 18, 2010 3:25:18 PM EST Ashley Yang: I thought it was interesting how she kept bringing up her 'differentess' when she was on the road with the cast Feb 18, 2010 3:25:19 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: well, she is growing up as her culture is shifting, maybe this is a way of her just adopting what is known to her Feb 18, 2010 3:25:25 PM EST Ashley Yang: t's like she needed to distinguish herself Feb 18, 2010 3:25:26 PM EST Michele Polak: HOW DO WE COMPARE ESMERELDA TO STARGILR? ANYTHING IN COMMON? Feb 18, 2010 3:25:26 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: id ont think she assimilated completely Feb 18, 2010 3:25:27 PM EST Sky Davis: i think most immigrant ho come here and settle in a trritory not made up entirely of their culture assimilate Feb 18, 2010 3:25:34 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: theyre both unique Feb 18, 2010 3:25:35 PM EST Stephen Raulli: esmeralda is sane Feb 18, 2010 3:25:35 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: theres a difference between being a puerto rican in puerto rico and being one in america Feb 18, 2010 3:25:35 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: they entered the commnitys very different than the rest Feb 18, 2010 3:25:40 PM EST Ashley Yang: hahahaha stephen Feb 18, 2010 3:25:40 PM EST Michele Polak: STEPHEN! Feb 18, 2010 3:25:40 PM EST Michele Polak: LOL Feb 18, 2010 3:25:43 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: think about if you were shifting cultures at an influencial age, how would that affect you Feb 18, 2010 3:25:45 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: haha! Feb 18, 2010 3:25:46 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: hahhahaaha Feb 18, 2010 3:25:46 PM EST Ashley Yang: stargirl is a pain in my ass Feb 18, 2010 3:25:48 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: knew who they were at first Feb 18, 2010 3:25:49 PM EST Ashley Yang: Esmerelda, I liked Feb 18, 2010 3:25:51 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: esmeralda was much more conscious of herself Feb 18, 2010 3:25:51 PM EST Sky Davis: *excuse the typos ...my current keyboard sucks Feb 18, 2010 3:25:51 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i think they were both trying to find who they were Feb 18, 2010 3:25:59 PM EST Michele Polak: NO APOLOGIES FOR TYPOS Feb 18, 2010 3:25:59 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: stargirl is a bit more out there though, but i think both hold true to themselves Feb 18, 2010 3:25:59 PM EST Michele Polak: LOL1 Feb 18, 2010 3:26:02 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: Stargirl was a made up character Feb 18, 2010 3:26:07 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE ALI Feb 18, 2010 3:26:08 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think stargil was less intersted in changing Feb 18, 2010 3:26:08 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: and esmeralda could be a real one Feb 18, 2010 3:26:12 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she had to be convinced Feb 18, 2010 3:26:12 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE AMAURY Feb 18, 2010 3:26:12 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: they both wanted to stay true to who they were but i think esmerelda was more eager to fit in Feb 18, 2010 3:26:13 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I think they both knew themselves, but felt pressured Feb 18, 2010 3:26:16 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: Esmeralda could be lying Feb 18, 2010 3:26:16 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: no one could ever be stargirl Feb 18, 2010 3:26:17 PM EST Ashley Yang: you think stargirls' a whackjob, star t"Annie on my mind"... Feb 18, 2010 3:26:18 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE ALEX Feb 18, 2010 3:26:21 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: esmerelda wanted to fit in more Feb 18, 2010 3:26:28 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: this chat is really overwhelming me Feb 18, 2010 3:26:31 PM EST Sky Davis: is annie crazy?? Feb 18, 2010 3:26:32 PM EST Michele Polak: ASH! I LIEK ANNIE! Feb 18, 2010 3:26:33 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she struggled more with her identity Feb 18, 2010 3:26:34 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: stargirl was confident Feb 18, 2010 3:26:39 PM EST Michele Polak: YES KATIE! Feb 18, 2010 3:26:39 PM EST Ashley Yang: I hate annie Feb 18, 2010 3:26:39 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: i love annie! Feb 18, 2010 3:26:40 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: she's on my mind! Feb 18, 2010 3:26:42 PM EST Ashley Yang: she's a raving lunatic. Feb 18, 2010 3:26:43 PM EST Sky Davis: @ashley Feb 18, 2010 3:26:44 PM EST Stephen Raulli: it beats Boy Meets Boy Feb 18, 2010 3:26:44 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i think the opposite Feb 18, 2010 3:26:45 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: stargirl wasn't Feb 18, 2010 3:26:48 PM EST Sky Davis: really??? Feb 18, 2010 3:26:49 PM EST Sky Davis: hahahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:26:50 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: or else she wouldn't have changed . Feb 18, 2010 3:26:53 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think having self confiedence was important Feb 18, 2010 3:27:02 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i didnt like stargirl at all to be honest the plot was boring Feb 18, 2010 3:27:03 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: they were both outcasted at times for their appearances Feb 18, 2010 3:27:05 PM EST Ashley Yang: omg I hate this format so much....too much visual stimulation... Feb 18, 2010 3:27:05 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i think she showed she was confident but wasn't Feb 18, 2010 3:27:06 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: and their lack of it let ot their change Feb 18, 2010 3:27:08 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i dont think we can really compare them- stargirl is a fictional character and esmerelda is real Feb 18, 2010 3:27:08 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: and stargil only experienced a little of tat Feb 18, 2010 3:27:13 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: Esmeralda's personality becomes a blend of Puerto Rican and American. Stargirl tries to assimilate but goes back to her old personality in the end Feb 18, 2010 3:27:22 PM EST Michele Polak: WELL, WE KNOW WE HAVE DIFF AUDIECNES FOR BOTH STARGILR AND THE SANTIAGO Feb 18, 2010 3:27:23 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: that's a good point sarah Feb 18, 2010 3:27:24 PM EST Michele Polak: AT LEAST BY AGE Feb 18, 2010 3:27:30 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: true Feb 18, 2010 3:27:31 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yeah michele Feb 18, 2010 3:27:33 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: different audiences Feb 18, 2010 3:27:33 PM EST Stephen Raulli: santiago is for an older audience Feb 18, 2010 3:27:36 PM EST Ashley Yang: by culture too Feb 18, 2010 3:27:37 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think that changes the goal of the novels Feb 18, 2010 3:27:39 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: stargirl is a younger audiance Feb 18, 2010 3:27:40 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: the age differnce is a wide margin Feb 18, 2010 3:27:40 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: and what they tell Feb 18, 2010 3:27:41 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: theryre both characters though, and as i sadi, thiese experiences could be untrue Feb 18, 2010 3:27:42 PM EST Michele Polak: DO YOU THINK SANTIAGO CONSIDERED HER AUDIENCE WHEN SHE WROTE? Feb 18, 2010 3:27:43 PM EST Ashley Yang: I think santiago appeals more to multiracial teens Feb 18, 2010 3:27:44 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: iyeah thats very true they were both inteded for much different people Feb 18, 2010 3:27:44 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i agree with ash Feb 18, 2010 3:27:45 PM EST Sky Davis: def agree with stev Feb 18, 2010 3:27:46 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: AAM was much grittier too, stargirl was a little lalala, as much as i enjoyed it Feb 18, 2010 3:27:48 PM EST Michele Polak: MEMOIRS TEND TO IGNORE AUDIECNE A LOT Feb 18, 2010 3:27:49 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: absolutely Feb 18, 2010 3:27:49 PM EST Ashley Yang: and stargirl is the quintessential, bitchy-american-mdidle-school book Feb 18, 2010 3:27:50 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: honsetly, i think santiago is really for adults Feb 18, 2010 3:27:51 PM EST Stephen Raulli: no michele i think she just wrote her story Feb 18, 2010 3:27:58 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i dont know any 13-year-old who could stick with this book Feb 18, 2010 3:27:58 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: esmeralda is a fictional character however she is portrayed a little bit more realistic and the author created a vivid image of her. she is easier to relate to for "normal" teenagers probably Feb 18, 2010 3:28:00 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes, memoirs are self reflection i fee like Feb 18, 2010 3:28:01 PM EST Michele Polak: SARAH C, I THINK I MIGHT AGREE Feb 18, 2010 3:28:03 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: not so much speaking to an audiene Feb 18, 2010 3:28:07 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: i agree with sarah Feb 18, 2010 3:28:08 PM EST Edlange Philistin: but its safe to say that the new settings that they became a part of influence them Feb 18, 2010 3:28:09 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i think she def had audience in mind Feb 18, 2010 3:28:10 PM EST Michele Polak: IT REMINDED ME OF A TREE GROWS IN BROOKLYN Feb 18, 2010 3:28:11 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: ive never read that Feb 18, 2010 3:28:19 PM EST Ashley Yang: yes! Feb 18, 2010 3:28:20 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE EDLANGE Feb 18, 2010 3:28:20 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i know that i did not connect with this lady Feb 18, 2010 3:28:22 PM EST Sarah Ducott: my mom loves that book Feb 18, 2010 3:28:24 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i liked a tree grows in brooklyn better Feb 18, 2010 3:28:28 PM EST Michele Polak: WHY NOT TOM? Feb 18, 2010 3:28:29 PM EST Ashley Yang: very much like that Feb 18, 2010 3:28:31 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: because i'm a white middle class guy from amine Feb 18, 2010 3:28:52 PM EST Sarah Ducott: how can we distinguish bettween mature adol. Lit. and a younger audience Feb 18, 2010 3:28:55 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: *maine Feb 18, 2010 3:28:56 PM EST Ashley Yang: content Feb 18, 2010 3:29:01 PM EST Stephen Raulli: me too but i could kinda relate Feb 18, 2010 3:29:02 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: distinguishing is difficult Feb 18, 2010 3:29:05 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i know almost 0 sopansih Feb 18, 2010 3:29:06 PM EST Michele Polak: GOOD QUESITON SARAH D. Feb 18, 2010 3:29:07 PM EST Ashley Yang: I think content is big--also, context Feb 18, 2010 3:29:15 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: on the content Feb 18, 2010 3:29:18 PM EST Michele Polak: SO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ADUENCE--AND THE MARKETING? THE AUTHOR OR THE PUBLISHERS>? Feb 18, 2010 3:29:24 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: how mature the content it, and what audience it speaks to Feb 18, 2010 3:29:24 PM EST Ashley Yang: Is it a little microcosm of a school?? or is it a broader context? Feb 18, 2010 3:29:25 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i think young adol lit is more for middle schoolers Feb 18, 2010 3:29:26 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: like sex is very marture Feb 18, 2010 3:29:27 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i was not her target ausdience Feb 18, 2010 3:29:28 PM EST Ashley Yang: publishers. authors should just write. Feb 18, 2010 3:29:32 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i think the content found in almost a woman was written for an older audience Feb 18, 2010 3:29:33 PM EST Michele Polak: YOU ARE RIGHT TOIM Feb 18, 2010 3:29:39 PM EST Edlange Philistin: ui agree Feb 18, 2010 3:29:40 PM EST Michele Polak: TOM Feb 18, 2010 3:29:41 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: definitely Feb 18, 2010 3:29:43 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I think author is responsible for audience beyond the cover Feb 18, 2010 3:29:45 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: im totally different from esmerelda but i could connect with her i think shes easy to connect to.. she has boy problems, she struggles to fit in.. her mom is overprotective.. Feb 18, 2010 3:29:45 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i agree with with esther Feb 18, 2010 3:29:46 PM EST Stephen Raulli: publishers have final say about genre classification Feb 18, 2010 3:29:46 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i think any "young adol" novel with sexual content should be taught in high school Feb 18, 2010 3:29:50 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think we need to take into account gender, language, and age Feb 18, 2010 3:29:51 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE GRACE Feb 18, 2010 3:29:54 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i think they both have equal say Feb 18, 2010 3:30:00 PM EST Stephen Raulli: why alex? Feb 18, 2010 3:30:02 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: i thought esmeralda was easy to relate to as well Feb 18, 2010 3:30:03 PM EST Michele Polak: YES STEPHEN....CLASSIFACITION AT ELAST BY GENRE IS ALL THE PUBLISHER Feb 18, 2010 3:30:10 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: but that might be beacuse im a girl Feb 18, 2010 3:30:14 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: but then you have to remember what we were like when we were younger, and when we first became exposed to controversial topics Feb 18, 2010 3:30:15 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: she was, but was it because of the situations she was in, namely those related around sex Feb 18, 2010 3:30:25 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: an author can write a book for a certain audience and the publisher can call it wahtever, but ultimately, its the AUDIENCE itself who classifies it Feb 18, 2010 3:30:26 PM EST Sarah Ducott: middle school Feb 18, 2010 3:30:28 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: it was like breaking the ice, i think it was hard to break through emserelda Feb 18, 2010 3:30:32 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: a book is nothing if no one reads it Feb 18, 2010 3:30:34 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: she was a freak Feb 18, 2010 3:30:35 PM EST Stephen Raulli: well young teens are exposed to sex earlier now Feb 18, 2010 3:30:35 PM EST Michele Polak: NICE SARAH C Feb 18, 2010 3:30:36 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah i agree i think that girls probably would ahve a much easier time connecting with a character like esmerelda Feb 18, 2010 3:30:38 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: just like everyone's been saying, sex topics lead for an older audience Feb 18, 2010 3:30:38 PM EST Stephen Raulli: purity rings anyone? Feb 18, 2010 3:30:41 PM EST Ashley Yang: One reason this book might not be for young audiences is because it doesn't really have a message. I mean she hooks up with a guy the age of her mother. And it's okay. What message does that send?? Not a great one. Feb 18, 2010 3:30:41 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: hahahaha stephen! Feb 18, 2010 3:30:49 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: that women should find men Feb 18, 2010 3:30:52 PM EST Michele Polak: FROM WHAT WE ARE READING ABOUT GENDER AND EDUCATION...DOES THE AUDIECNE KNOW HOW TO CLASSIFY THEIR TEXTS? Feb 18, 2010 3:30:56 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: and we're not too far removed form that (and I doubt we'll ever be) so that Feb 18, 2010 3:30:58 PM EST Ashley Yang: shes looking for a man to become a woman Feb 18, 2010 3:30:59 PM EST Ashley Yang: who needs a man to become a woman? Feb 18, 2010 3:31:02 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: is why we can relate so well Feb 18, 2010 3:31:03 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea Feb 18, 2010 3:31:07 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: sure, in their own minds they do Feb 18, 2010 3:31:16 PM EST Stephen Raulli: ashley its what she THOUGHT she needed Feb 18, 2010 3:31:17 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think the novels are all over hte place, hard to classify Feb 18, 2010 3:31:20 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: i think they do Feb 18, 2010 3:31:20 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: it is obvious what audience an author is writing for because of the text context Feb 18, 2010 3:31:32 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i agree with tom, i think the audience decides, even if they decide...wrong? Feb 18, 2010 3:31:32 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: they have different aspects that cater to diff audiences Feb 18, 2010 3:31:32 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: see how everyone is enjoying this book. I think its because we can relate to it more than a younger pop. Feb 18, 2010 3:31:32 PM EST Stephen Raulli: but learned in the end it wasnt because the guy she gave virginity to wasnt her dream man Feb 18, 2010 3:31:35 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: i think the reason she is looking for a man to become a woman is because that's what her mother tells her Feb 18, 2010 3:31:39 PM EST Sky Davis: i think we hav general faith as the audience that our texts are classified correctly for us Feb 18, 2010 3:31:45 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: when i read, at least before this class, i never really consciously try to think about who the text is written for or try to classify it Feb 18, 2010 3:31:46 PM EST Michele Polak: DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE DIFFERENT DISCUSSING THE SANTIAGO WITH OUR 9TH GRADERS COMPARED TO OURT SENIORS? Feb 18, 2010 3:31:47 PM EST Ashley Yang: yes its what SHE thought she needed but she could influence how younger kids perceive maturity and achievign womanhood Feb 18, 2010 3:31:50 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:31:52 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: she tells she can't even move out until she's married Feb 18, 2010 3:31:52 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:31:53 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think so Feb 18, 2010 3:31:54 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: and shows her--her mother is only ever happy when she's with one of her boyfriends Feb 18, 2010 3:31:57 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: absolutley Feb 18, 2010 3:31:58 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: yes! Feb 18, 2010 3:31:58 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: yeah i think so Feb 18, 2010 3:31:59 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: senior have a little more experience Feb 18, 2010 3:32:02 PM EST Stephen Raulli: but that could be how many ppl think Feb 18, 2010 3:32:03 PM EST Ashley Yang: YES sarah Feb 18, 2010 3:32:03 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah, its just a matter of maturity Feb 18, 2010 3:32:03 PM EST Sarah Ducott: after reading teaching boys and girls separatley would this be taught in only the girls class Feb 18, 2010 3:32:05 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: different levels in life Feb 18, 2010 3:32:05 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: yeah, i think it will be very differently recieved Feb 18, 2010 3:32:06 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: different goals Feb 18, 2010 3:32:08 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: lol more experience Feb 18, 2010 3:32:11 PM EST Michele Polak: HOW SHOULD WE SEPARATE THEM. OR SHOUD WE? Feb 18, 2010 3:32:11 PM EST Stephen Raulli: also its a memoir so its her free will to write what she wants Feb 18, 2010 3:32:14 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i think we should ask the 9th graders opinions and then the seniors seperately and compare the two Feb 18, 2010 3:32:15 PM EST Ashley Yang: reminds me of my loony aunt. Told my cousin she was happy she had a 4.0 but would rather she had a 3.5 and a bf... Feb 18, 2010 3:32:16 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i dont think we should sepeate them Feb 18, 2010 3:32:17 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: we shouldn't Feb 18, 2010 3:32:18 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: yeah seniors can probably understand it more i think with any book maturity comes with understanding a book more Feb 18, 2010 3:32:19 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: it functions as w whole Feb 18, 2010 3:32:21 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: but also, it depends on if tehy talked about it in class first Feb 18, 2010 3:32:23 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i dont think we shoudl either Feb 18, 2010 3:32:24 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: having them both is good Feb 18, 2010 3:32:24 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: hahaha ashley Feb 18, 2010 3:32:27 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: unless that girl comes back we shoudl separate her Feb 18, 2010 3:32:30 PM EST Stephen Raulli: its hard to say what responsibility a memoirist has over a fiction writer Feb 18, 2010 3:32:31 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i think a lot of girls would say that Feb 18, 2010 3:32:33 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: ahhahaa Feb 18, 2010 3:32:34 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: but we will have differnt oppinions Feb 18, 2010 3:32:35 PM EST Michele Polak: SHOULD WE WORK AS A GROUP IN THIS TEXT OR ONE-ON-ONE? Feb 18, 2010 3:32:40 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: that girl haha Feb 18, 2010 3:32:41 PM EST Ashley Yang: one on one Feb 18, 2010 3:32:43 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think one on one Feb 18, 2010 3:32:46 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: one on one Feb 18, 2010 3:32:47 PM EST Sarah Ducott: group Feb 18, 2010 3:32:48 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i think we should work in smaller groups Feb 18, 2010 3:32:51 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: because we are having conflicts Feb 18, 2010 3:32:51 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i think small groups Feb 18, 2010 3:32:51 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i think groups would be helpful Feb 18, 2010 3:32:52 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: group Feb 18, 2010 3:32:53 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: due to the different readers Feb 18, 2010 3:32:54 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: always group Feb 18, 2010 3:32:55 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: or group, i dont know Feb 18, 2010 3:32:55 PM EST Sky Davis: groups Feb 18, 2010 3:32:55 PM EST Stephen Raulli: group Feb 18, 2010 3:32:55 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: group Feb 18, 2010 3:32:58 PM EST Ashley Yang: nooo not always group Feb 18, 2010 3:32:59 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: group Feb 18, 2010 3:33:00 PM EST Sky Davis: yeah...always groups Feb 18, 2010 3:33:02 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: like with 4 people in it Feb 18, 2010 3:33:02 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: one on one Feb 18, 2010 3:33:02 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i think its really interesting to have all these viewpoints Feb 18, 2010 3:33:03 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: every HS student i talked to LOVED moster, i wonder if they really thought about it Feb 18, 2010 3:33:03 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: some high schoolers might be intimidated by a group Feb 18, 2010 3:33:03 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: not always group Feb 18, 2010 3:33:03 PM EST Ashley Yang: group = chaos, in case this isn'r proof enough Feb 18, 2010 3:33:05 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: seniors might enjoy it , while frosh think some parts are gross Feb 18, 2010 3:33:05 PM EST Michele Polak: PERHAPS SMALLER GROUPS Feb 18, 2010 3:33:06 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: but maybe sometimes Feb 18, 2010 3:33:06 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: one one one may be better Feb 18, 2010 3:33:09 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: smaller group's Feb 18, 2010 3:33:10 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I feel like groups oppen the floor to different perspectives Feb 18, 2010 3:33:11 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: yeah, smaller groups Feb 18, 2010 3:33:12 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: that was good for the meet and greet Feb 18, 2010 3:33:16 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: small groups Feb 18, 2010 3:33:16 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: groups are not cool Feb 18, 2010 3:33:17 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: like 3 max Feb 18, 2010 3:33:18 PM EST Michele Polak: FOR THE FIRST MEETING ON SANTIAGO, ONOE-ON-ONE FOR THE SECOND? Feb 18, 2010 3:33:19 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: otherwise it was awlkward Feb 18, 2010 3:33:20 PM EST Stephen Raulli: ash chat is always like this Feb 18, 2010 3:33:21 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: whole class Feb 18, 2010 3:33:22 PM EST Sky Davis: i agree with sarah Feb 18, 2010 3:33:28 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: ya, might be awkward Feb 18, 2010 3:33:30 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: freshman know about sex amaury Feb 18, 2010 3:33:30 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: smnall groups would be good if they were varied in age and gender Feb 18, 2010 3:33:30 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: oh, he knows they do Feb 18, 2010 3:33:37 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: debatable Feb 18, 2010 3:33:37 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: they shouldn't! Feb 18, 2010 3:33:41 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: smaller groups of 4 one one one is awkward Feb 18, 2010 3:33:41 PM EST Ashley Yang: theres 4 preggers freshmen at geneva high school Feb 18, 2010 3:33:43 PM EST Ashley Yang: they know about sex Feb 18, 2010 3:33:44 PM EST Stephen Raulli: im aint having any sex talks Feb 18, 2010 3:33:48 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: you didn't know about sex when you were in 9th grade? Feb 18, 2010 3:33:49 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: hah stephen Feb 18, 2010 3:33:54 PM EST Ashley Yang: hey man dont judge, soem of us are naiive.... Feb 18, 2010 3:33:58 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i plead the fifth Feb 18, 2010 3:33:59 PM EST Michele Polak: WE CANNOT ADN WILL NOT TALK ABOUT SEX WITH THE HS-ERS. Feb 18, 2010 3:34:02 PM EST Michele Polak: WE ARE NOT ALLOWED Feb 18, 2010 3:34:05 PM EST Stephen Raulli: thank god Feb 18, 2010 3:34:07 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: oh. Feb 18, 2010 3:34:09 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: oh ok Feb 18, 2010 3:34:09 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:34:09 PM EST Ashley Yang: well that complicates this book a bit Feb 18, 2010 3:34:10 PM EST Sky Davis: yes!!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:34:11 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: hahah Feb 18, 2010 3:34:12 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: hahahaha thank the lord Feb 18, 2010 3:34:12 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: not even in reference to the text? Feb 18, 2010 3:34:12 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: bad book choice then Feb 18, 2010 3:34:13 PM EST Michele Polak: WE'LL STICK TO THE TEXT ISUES Feb 18, 2010 3:34:14 PM EST Ashley Yang: why'd they read it then? Feb 18, 2010 3:34:14 PM EST Sky Davis: that would be WKward Feb 18, 2010 3:34:15 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: sam wants to talk about sex Feb 18, 2010 3:34:22 PM EST Michele Polak: ONLY IN REF TO THE TEXT. Feb 18, 2010 3:34:22 PM EST Stephen Raulli: stupid tabs Feb 18, 2010 3:34:24 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: this is so awesome Feb 18, 2010 3:34:24 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes i agree Feb 18, 2010 3:34:26 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:34:27 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: there's sex in this book, how do we get around it? Feb 18, 2010 3:34:27 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: but some of the issues are about sex Feb 18, 2010 3:34:27 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: the book is mature, but we dont have ot be Feb 18, 2010 3:34:32 PM EST Michele Polak: I THINK THEY ARE A STATE FUNDED ABSTIENCE SCHOOL SO WE ARE BNOT ALLOWED Feb 18, 2010 3:34:33 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: to* Feb 18, 2010 3:34:33 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: yeah? Feb 18, 2010 3:34:33 PM EST Ashley Yang: LAME. Feb 18, 2010 3:34:37 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: nooooooo Feb 18, 2010 3:34:37 PM EST Sky Davis: reallly? Feb 18, 2010 3:34:40 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: those still exist??????? Feb 18, 2010 3:34:40 PM EST Michele Polak: I'LL ASK NIKKI HOW CAREFUL WE HAVE TO BE Feb 18, 2010 3:34:41 PM EST Ashley Yang: and that would expalin why 4 of the are pregnant and 1 in 11 births in genve are to teens... Feb 18, 2010 3:34:46 PM EST Stephen Raulli: but what about the gf and bf? Feb 18, 2010 3:34:46 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: we have tose in NY? Feb 18, 2010 3:34:49 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i didnt know those existed! Feb 18, 2010 3:34:51 PM EST Michele Polak: YEP. Feb 18, 2010 3:34:55 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: can we say the word sex ? Feb 18, 2010 3:34:55 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: how embarassing Feb 18, 2010 3:34:55 PM EST Michele Polak: STILL Feb 18, 2010 3:34:57 PM EST Sky Davis: the bf and gf are creeeepppyyy Feb 18, 2010 3:35:00 PM EST Sarah Ducott: i doubt they come back Feb 18, 2010 3:35:01 PM EST Stephen Raulli: Joans bros must be so happy Feb 18, 2010 3:35:01 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: sex sex sex Feb 18, 2010 3:35:02 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: hahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:35:04 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: word Feb 18, 2010 3:35:04 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: that is stupid Feb 18, 2010 3:35:05 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: stupid i say! Feb 18, 2010 3:35:13 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: hahaha bf and gf are creepy sky!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:35:14 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i dont think they are comign back Feb 18, 2010 3:35:15 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: oh yea SAm Feb 18, 2010 3:35:16 PM EST Michele Polak: YEAH, WE JUST NEED TO REEL THEM BACK INOT HTE TETX Feb 18, 2010 3:35:16 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes, stupid! Feb 18, 2010 3:35:17 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: haha yeah, a little creepy Feb 18, 2010 3:35:21 PM EST Ashley Yang: ok Feb 18, 2010 3:35:22 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: word Feb 18, 2010 3:35:24 PM EST Ashley Yang: so focus on issue of identity Feb 18, 2010 3:35:25 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes, reeling back Feb 18, 2010 3:35:26 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: okay Feb 18, 2010 3:35:26 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: okay Feb 18, 2010 3:35:30 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: identity Feb 18, 2010 3:35:30 PM EST Sky Davis: a lot creepy Feb 18, 2010 3:35:31 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: i doubt theyll start the canvo about sex Feb 18, 2010 3:35:32 PM EST Stephen Raulli: reeled in! Feb 18, 2010 3:35:32 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: and family issues Feb 18, 2010 3:35:32 PM EST Michele Polak: DID THE SEX IN SANTIAGO SURPRISE YOU? WERE THE REFERNCES NEEDED? Feb 18, 2010 3:35:34 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i call not working with the bf and gf! Feb 18, 2010 3:35:34 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: identity Feb 18, 2010 3:35:35 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:35:38 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i was surpised by the sex Feb 18, 2010 3:35:40 PM EST Stephen Raulli: bwahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:35:43 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: and the man who revealed himself ot her on the train Feb 18, 2010 3:35:45 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: i was surprised she didn't just do it earlier Feb 18, 2010 3:35:46 PM EST Sarah Ducott: i was a little surprised Feb 18, 2010 3:35:48 PM EST Ashley Yang: I was too. I mean she's my age and she was getting a LOT of action Feb 18, 2010 3:35:49 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: i thought she'd wait til marriage Feb 18, 2010 3:35:50 PM EST Sky Davis: me too...and no..i didnt find it surprising Feb 18, 2010 3:35:51 PM EST Michele Polak: YEAH, IDNTITY WILL BE THE FOCUS Feb 18, 2010 3:35:51 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: i was suprised by how out of nowhere it was Feb 18, 2010 3:35:54 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: the train incident was pretty shocking Feb 18, 2010 3:35:55 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yoo Michele im not working with gang destroy Feb 18, 2010 3:35:58 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: she clearly wanted an out from her faimly and she had so many opportunities Feb 18, 2010 3:35:59 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i didnt llike the marriage thing Feb 18, 2010 3:36:00 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: too much Feb 18, 2010 3:36:00 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: she was too young for that Feb 18, 2010 3:36:03 PM EST Stephen Raulli: but it was almost an afterthought Feb 18, 2010 3:36:05 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: then it was with creepy ulvi, the meanie pants! Feb 18, 2010 3:36:06 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: it would ahve shocked me more at a younger age Feb 18, 2010 3:36:07 PM EST Ashley Yang: meh NY is full of perverst. I thought the Otto bit was surprising. what was with her and germsans?? Feb 18, 2010 3:36:09 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: ulvi is a weirdo Feb 18, 2010 3:36:13 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: see i think the diary would have helped to get inside her head a little bit more Feb 18, 2010 3:36:18 PM EST Edlange Philistin: u c everything in nyc Feb 18, 2010 3:36:19 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: but hispanic women marry at an early age Feb 18, 2010 3:36:20 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: true dat Feb 18, 2010 3:36:20 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: i mean isn't that realist? a woman can get as much action as she wants Feb 18, 2010 3:36:21 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: yeah she had an ifatuation with germans Feb 18, 2010 3:36:23 PM EST Stephen Raulli: like she didnt make it the focus, just something of the culture she had to get used to Feb 18, 2010 3:36:24 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: i wasnt surprised, people do their oen thing. i cant judege them for making the choice to have sex Feb 18, 2010 3:36:24 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: is cultural, if they don't then it is like something is wrong with them Feb 18, 2010 3:36:29 PM EST Ashley Yang: false, christopher Feb 18, 2010 3:36:31 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes, we shouldnt judge Feb 18, 2010 3:36:37 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: i think there was a lot of emphasis on sex and finding a man but that was really what she went through, she couldn't change it as she was writing the story Feb 18, 2010 3:36:39 PM EST Michele Polak: AMAURY HAS A POINT...WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE CULTURAL EXPECTATIONS PLACED ON HER Feb 18, 2010 3:36:42 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: ash i am wondering why she was so attracted to germans too hah Feb 18, 2010 3:36:45 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes, in her culture Feb 18, 2010 3:36:52 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: hah ai dunno ashley, we'll talk about that one later Feb 18, 2010 3:36:52 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yeah . my mom married at age 18 . Feb 18, 2010 3:36:55 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: that was something normal Feb 18, 2010 3:36:58 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i think she wrote this book for a more diverse audience Feb 18, 2010 3:36:59 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: her mom had kids very young! Feb 18, 2010 3:36:59 PM EST Ashley Yang: ok that could be cultural Feb 18, 2010 3:37:00 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: becase they were very unpuertorican Feb 18, 2010 3:37:00 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: and, how are those expectations different now. this book was written a WHILE ago Feb 18, 2010 3:37:02 PM EST Ashley Yang: young marriage, many children Feb 18, 2010 3:37:02 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: she was sick of them Feb 18, 2010 3:37:03 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: and she was following that Feb 18, 2010 3:37:04 PM EST Ashley Yang: it says she wante dto go on the pill Feb 18, 2010 3:37:11 PM EST Ashley Yang: she didnt want a big family Feb 18, 2010 3:37:13 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: i was suprised that her mother let her date non Puerto Ricans Feb 18, 2010 3:37:15 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: me too Feb 18, 2010 3:37:19 PM EST Michele Polak: LET'S MOVE TOA BIT ABOUT THE OTHER READING..GENDER AND EDU Feb 18, 2010 3:37:19 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: yeah i wouldnt either if i had lived her life Feb 18, 2010 3:37:21 PM EST [SAMANTHA DIGHTON left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:37:21 PM EST Ashley Yang: lol sam says NO, she still wants to talk abous tex Feb 18, 2010 3:37:29 PM EST Ashley Yang: about sex* Feb 18, 2010 3:37:32 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:37:36 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:37:37 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:37:39 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:37:41 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: creappy Feb 18, 2010 3:37:42 PM EST Stephen Raulli: im gonna get arthritis in my fingers from this Feb 18, 2010 3:38:03 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: from what Feb 18, 2010 3:38:11 PM EST Edlange Philistin: lol Feb 18, 2010 3:38:11 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I found it interesting how teaching boys and girlss separately emphasized the differences between girls and biys learning so much Feb 18, 2010 3:38:13 PM EST Ashley Yang: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:38:19 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i thought te idea of single sex schools was very interesting Feb 18, 2010 3:38:20 PM EST Ashley Yang: there are a lot of differences though Feb 18, 2010 3:38:23 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i had only heard of private single sex schools Feb 18, 2010 3:38:25 PM EST Ashley Yang: you can see it in a classroom Feb 18, 2010 3:38:25 PM EST Michele Polak: ARE YOU ALL SURPRISED BYT EH STATS? Feb 18, 2010 3:38:30 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: katie, agreed Feb 18, 2010 3:38:30 PM EST Ashley Yang: not really Feb 18, 2010 3:38:32 PM EST Michele Polak: ANYTHING NEW? Feb 18, 2010 3:38:33 PM EST Ashley Yang: heard them before Feb 18, 2010 3:38:35 PM EST Stephen Raulli: no Feb 18, 2010 3:38:36 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: no Feb 18, 2010 3:38:36 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: nope Feb 18, 2010 3:38:43 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: i wasn't really surprised Feb 18, 2010 3:38:47 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yea me neither Feb 18, 2010 3:38:53 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: not really Feb 18, 2010 3:38:53 PM EST Sarah Ducott: It seemed like the differences almost made girls seem more advanced which i wouldnt consider the case normally Feb 18, 2010 3:39:00 PM EST Michele Polak: SHOULD WE TYEACH BOYS AND GIRLS DIFFERRENTLY? Feb 18, 2010 3:39:04 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: my mom teaches elementary schol and she always talks about the gender differences Feb 18, 2010 3:39:04 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes i agree Feb 18, 2010 3:39:05 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: NO Feb 18, 2010 3:39:08 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: yes we should Feb 18, 2010 3:39:10 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: nope Feb 18, 2010 3:39:10 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i dont think so Feb 18, 2010 3:39:11 PM EST Stephen Raulli: no Feb 18, 2010 3:39:14 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: they should be toghether Feb 18, 2010 3:39:15 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think education should be equal Feb 18, 2010 3:39:15 PM EST Sarah Ducott: I dont think so Feb 18, 2010 3:39:16 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:39:18 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: def. Feb 18, 2010 3:39:19 PM EST Ashley Yang: I think they should be taught together, but with an emphasis on both learnign styles Feb 18, 2010 3:39:22 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: like equal opportunities Feb 18, 2010 3:39:22 PM EST Ashley Yang: do hands-on suff for boys; do interpersonal stuff for girls Feb 18, 2010 3:39:27 PM EST Ashley Yang: expose them both to both Feb 18, 2010 3:39:29 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: we should encourage boys to read, i mean girls already want to Feb 18, 2010 3:39:30 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: but i guess we should look at differences Feb 18, 2010 3:39:31 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: the most interesting discussions have the most viewpoints Feb 18, 2010 3:39:33 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: biological dones Feb 18, 2010 3:39:34 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: if we seperated them, one sex would feel they were getting a better educatin than the other Feb 18, 2010 3:39:39 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i mean most of us probably went to schools with both sexes and we have turned out fine i dont think we need ot change teh system Feb 18, 2010 3:39:43 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: and that could be terrible Feb 18, 2010 3:39:44 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: as if there wasn't enough fem and male problems out here Feb 18, 2010 3:39:54 PM EST Sarah Ducott: the real world isn't going to cater to differences and if it does than we revert back to things we worked hard to change Feb 18, 2010 3:39:56 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i went to school with all male n im good Feb 18, 2010 3:39:58 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: there could be bad results Feb 18, 2010 3:40:01 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: that would be like adding wood to a fire Feb 18, 2010 3:40:03 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: both sexes need to be exposed to new ways of learning, but each has strengths and weaknesses as we all know Feb 18, 2010 3:40:03 PM EST Michele Polak: SO LET'S RECOGNIZZE THAT READING IS BOTH COGNITIVE AND CULTURAL Feb 18, 2010 3:40:04 PM EST Ashley Yang: do you think a gender war exists? Feb 18, 2010 3:40:05 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: even though the article only talks about good ones Feb 18, 2010 3:40:06 PM EST Ashley Yang: the reading talks about that Feb 18, 2010 3:40:07 PM EST Michele Polak: AS WE DISCUSSED IN CLASS Feb 18, 2010 3:40:10 PM EST Stephen Raulli: teachers need to look at us as individuals and not gorup all boys/grls together Feb 18, 2010 3:40:13 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: theyll be learning different things--their qualifications for colleges and jobs would be different and that would only exacerbate the gender gap Feb 18, 2010 3:40:14 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i agree Feb 18, 2010 3:40:17 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: we are individuals and should be taught that way Feb 18, 2010 3:40:22 PM EST Stephen Raulli: some girls learn differently than other girls Feb 18, 2010 3:40:22 PM EST [SAMANTHA DIGHTON joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:40:22 PM EST Sarah Ducott: Agreed Feb 18, 2010 3:40:23 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: maybe we need more teachres per classroom Feb 18, 2010 3:40:27 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: not dividied classes Feb 18, 2010 3:40:30 PM EST Ashley Yang: thats an idea Feb 18, 2010 3:40:31 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: or smaller classes Feb 18, 2010 3:40:34 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:40:36 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: well i think all people learn differently from each other not just girls Feb 18, 2010 3:40:37 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: that too Feb 18, 2010 3:40:38 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: i like that Feb 18, 2010 3:40:38 PM EST Ashley Yang: though sometimes it can be a case of too many cooks in the kitchen Feb 18, 2010 3:40:39 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: but not split Feb 18, 2010 3:40:40 PM EST Michele Polak: WHAT MIGHT WE DO TO INCLUDE THE FEW HIGH SCHOOL BOYS WE HAVE JOINING US? Feb 18, 2010 3:40:40 PM EST Sarah Ducott: the ratio should be smaller Feb 18, 2010 3:40:40 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: good idea katie Feb 18, 2010 3:40:40 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: just because the majority of one sex learns a certain way doesn't mean they all do. so if you seperated the girls and the boys and taught them in different styles that doesn't mean that all would benefit Feb 18, 2010 3:40:41 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: boys and girls need to interact Feb 18, 2010 3:40:43 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: its part of learing Feb 18, 2010 3:40:47 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: i would hate learnign with all girls though Feb 18, 2010 3:40:48 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: i think you have to keep them together because in some cases , males come to school just because of the females. At least that is what i've seen Feb 18, 2010 3:40:50 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: hahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:40:54 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: motiiation Feb 18, 2010 3:40:56 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: or females cuz of the mailes Feb 18, 2010 3:40:58 PM EST Ashley Yang: *cough* exdperienced... Feb 18, 2010 3:40:59 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i think we need to fix the current system by tryign to create smaller classrooms and more teachers not try to create a new system in entirity Feb 18, 2010 3:41:00 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: exactly Feb 18, 2010 3:41:01 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:41:06 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: then why do they have all girls and all boys schools? Feb 18, 2010 3:41:08 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: ash really ? Feb 18, 2010 3:41:11 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: no idea Feb 18, 2010 3:41:11 PM EST Ashley Yang: cuz the catholics dont want them having sex? Feb 18, 2010 3:41:15 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: becuase of stats Feb 18, 2010 3:41:16 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: because parents are scared! Feb 18, 2010 3:41:17 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: there is a reason behind learning together vs not learning Feb 18, 2010 3:41:19 PM EST Sky Davis: haha....yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:41:20 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: tests Feb 18, 2010 3:41:21 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: the catholics? Feb 18, 2010 3:41:26 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: biologiy Feb 18, 2010 3:41:26 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: but those girls are freakier Feb 18, 2010 3:41:27 PM EST Sarah Ducott: That's their choice though Feb 18, 2010 3:41:28 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: hahahahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:41:32 PM EST Michele Polak: DO WE HAVE SAME SEX SCHOOLS OUT OF FEAR? THAT'S WHAT SOME OF YOU ARE ARGUING, YOU REALIZE Feb 18, 2010 3:41:32 PM EST Stephen Raulli: to be freakier? Feb 18, 2010 3:41:35 PM EST Sky Davis: i think peopel think seperation will make students concentrate on their work Feb 18, 2010 3:41:40 PM EST Ashley Yang: I think it's partly out of fear, partly out of tradition Feb 18, 2010 3:41:42 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i dont think its fear Feb 18, 2010 3:41:42 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: did you just say catholics are freakier Feb 18, 2010 3:41:43 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: yes sky Feb 18, 2010 3:41:44 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: we go to same sex schools..... Feb 18, 2010 3:41:47 PM EST Ashley Yang: I mean it's why we haven't combined H/WS Feb 18, 2010 3:41:47 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: i think its out of tradition Feb 18, 2010 3:41:47 PM EST Ashley Yang: Traidtion. Feb 18, 2010 3:41:48 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: i think its just bioogically rooted differences Feb 18, 2010 3:41:50 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i think that a big part of same sex schools is fear Feb 18, 2010 3:41:50 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: yeah Feb 18, 2010 3:41:50 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i went to an all girls school and my grades increased greatly and it was not because i was distracted by anyone at public schools Feb 18, 2010 3:41:50 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: ew Feb 18, 2010 3:41:53 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: people want their kids to be smart, they will believe what they hear Feb 18, 2010 3:41:59 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: the same sex schools are generally private schools that have been around a LONG time Feb 18, 2010 3:42:04 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: that makes sense, but then you get such a limited perspective Feb 18, 2010 3:42:06 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: im pretty sure that the distraction concern will happen regardless of the opposite sex in the room Feb 18, 2010 3:42:08 PM EST Michele Polak: I THINK WE CAN HAVE A GREAT ARGUMENT ABOUT SAME SEX EDUCAITON Feb 18, 2010 3:42:09 PM EST Michele Polak: PROS AND CONS Feb 18, 2010 3:42:12 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: only the voice of half the population! Feb 18, 2010 3:42:12 PM EST [SAMANTHA DIGHTON left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:42:21 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: con, no interaction! Feb 18, 2010 3:42:21 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: same sex education only benefits one sex, females Feb 18, 2010 3:42:25 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: maybe we have sam sex schools b.c some still believe there is an intristic difference betwene teh sexes, that one must be superior to the other Feb 18, 2010 3:42:28 PM EST Sky Davis: i heard w didnt combine HWS bc william smiths grades re much better...and combining would bring our rating down Feb 18, 2010 3:42:28 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: i went to an all girls school (with ali) haha and yeah i def got better grades bc there were no boys to distract me!! now i cant concentrate at hws hahaha Feb 18, 2010 3:42:29 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: pro: easier on the teacher Feb 18, 2010 3:42:31 PM EST Sky Davis: dont know how true it is Feb 18, 2010 3:42:32 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: con- widening the gender gap Feb 18, 2010 3:42:35 PM EST Michele Polak: FOLKS, AS FAST AS THIS CHAT WEN...DAMN FAST...I AM IMPRESSED THAT SO MANY OF YOU CONTRIBUTED WITH SOME SOLID INPUT Feb 18, 2010 3:42:39 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: i just think people are never going to be able to continue in the world sheltered by only interacting with one sex so why would we try to create that enviornment Feb 18, 2010 3:42:45 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: agreed! Feb 18, 2010 3:42:50 PM EST Ashley Yang: word. Feb 18, 2010 3:42:51 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: yes Feb 18, 2010 3:42:55 PM EST Michele Polak: YOU ALL MOVED BEYONF YES AND NO AND ACTUALLY GAVE SOME CRITICAL COMMENTARY Feb 18, 2010 3:42:55 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: we cant be sheltered and protected too much Feb 18, 2010 3:42:56 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: oh, grace. Feb 18, 2010 3:42:57 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: bagel? Feb 18, 2010 3:42:57 PM EST Michele Polak: YOU SHOULD ALL BE PROUD Feb 18, 2010 3:43:03 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: bageeellllll Feb 18, 2010 3:43:04 PM EST Ashley Yang: NAP! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:07 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: BAGEL! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:07 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: hahah Feb 18, 2010 3:43:08 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: i'm hungry Feb 18, 2010 3:43:10 PM EST Sarah Ducott: yum Feb 18, 2010 3:43:13 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: me too Feb 18, 2010 3:43:13 PM EST Michele Polak: YES. GO GET A BAGEL! SEE YOU ON TUESDAY! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:14 PM EST [SAMANTHA DIGHTON joined the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:15 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: is class over? Feb 18, 2010 3:43:15 PM EST GRACE HENNIGAN: byeeee Feb 18, 2010 3:43:16 PM EST Ashley Yang: sweeet Feb 18, 2010 3:43:17 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: audry come to the cafe Feb 18, 2010 3:43:18 PM EST Sky Davis: yayyyyy Feb 18, 2010 3:43:18 PM EST ESTHER ALTOMARE: with me Feb 18, 2010 3:43:18 PM EST [GRACE HENNIGAN left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:18 PM EST Ashley Yang: peace out Feb 18, 2010 3:43:19 PM EST AMAURY RAMIREZ: YSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Feb 18, 2010 3:43:19 PM EST KRISTEN CRAGG: bye! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:19 PM EST Christopher Bramwell: yes! take care yall Feb 18, 2010 3:43:21 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: byebye! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:21 PM EST OLGA EMELIANOVA: byee Feb 18, 2010 3:43:21 PM EST Sky Davis: byeee Feb 18, 2010 3:43:22 PM EST [KRISTEN CRAGG left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:22 PM EST KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN: kk byeee!!!!! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:23 PM EST [Christopher Bramwell left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:23 PM EST [ESTHER ALTOMARE left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:23 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: haha Feb 18, 2010 3:43:24 PM EST Ashley Yang: bambambambambam--thast what micheles gonna hear Feb 18, 2010 3:43:24 PM EST Sarah Ducott: byeee Feb 18, 2010 3:43:24 PM EST SAMANTHA DIGHTON: byeeee Feb 18, 2010 3:43:24 PM EST SARAH CANAVAN: bye! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:24 PM EST THOMAS MICHAUD: talk to you tomorrow michele!! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:25 PM EST Sky Davis: (= Feb 18, 2010 3:43:25 PM EST [OLGA EMELIANOVA left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:26 PM EST ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER: i found it rewarding to attend the school i went to. both my brother and i were given the option to attend an all girl and all boys school. and we both on our own terms not our parents wanted to be enrolled. and both of our grades improved drastically Feb 18, 2010 3:43:26 PM EST AUDREY WALBRIDGE: okay esther Feb 18, 2010 3:43:26 PM EST [SAMANTHA DIGHTON left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:28 PM EST Stephen Raulli: be sure to watch Tiger tomorrow!! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:29 PM EST [Sky Davis left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:30 PM EST [AMAURY RAMIREZ left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:30 PM EST [Ashley Yang left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:31 PM EST [SARAH CANAVAN left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:32 PM EST [AUDREY WALBRIDGE left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:33 PM EST [KATHERINE LEVENSTEIN left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:34 PM EST [ALEXANDRA SCHREIBER left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:36 PM EST [Sarah Ducott left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:45 PM EST Michele Polak: YEP TOM! SAME TIME! Feb 18, 2010 3:43:48 PM EST [THOMAS MICHAUD left the session] Feb 18, 2010 3:43:49 PM EST Edlange Philistin: is it over? Feb 18, 2010 3:43:55 PM EST Michele Polak: YEP EDLANGE! Feb 18, 2010 3:44:01 PM EST Stephen Raulli: i think so Feb 18, 2010 3:44:03 PM EST Michele Polak: HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND Feb 18, 2010 3:44:05 PM EST Edlange Philistin: u too Feb 18, 2010 3:44:10 PM EST Edlange Philistin: btw i think i need typing class Feb 18, 2010 3:44:30 PM EST Michele Polak: NAW...I SUCK AT TYPING AND IM NOT WORRIED Feb 18, 2010 3:44:40 PM EST Stephen Raulli: haha me too Feb 18, 2010 3:44:43 PM EST
