Wisconsin State
Unl'lferslty
Ste!fens Point
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SfRIES VIII, VOL. 13
Student ·Opinion
Is Irrelevant
Subtitle : Student demon.e:trato~ are often
uktd this queaUon by thoee they demonstrate aga.inat, "Why can't we lilt down and
d!Kuu t.b.lnp reuonably!" Two 1tudenta on
thil cam pus at tempted to do just that with
n1cmben1 of the hittory department. 'l"ha 1.1
the accou nt.
THE POINTER
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THE .PODIUM
CommmrsOnGold.rtein Case
Tbe guest editorial that appears on the front
P'<'''"'~"'""'"up.-.ulooofooo•'"·
··"''' oplnlo". Mo"d'Y Mlk• Houllh•" · - " '
the meeung of the Pointer Ed1tonal Board an
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presented thi8 imprtM!on of the hlatory deputment'a tenure meeting. He had at tended the
tenure meeting in an attempt to perwade the
tenurN. members of the department to retain
RobertGoldatein.
The Pointer aupporta the impl.lcation of the
Houlihan article that there Ia a need for atude:nt
voice in dep&rtmenl&l matter. (ddlnition ol th1a
voice being lett to the dilcretion of the department Itself). We are, however, .omewhat akeptleal of the validity of the artiele'a allegation th&t
the history faculty did not make a con.clentio\1.1
effort to understand the particular clrcumat&nces
concerning Mr. Golcbtein'a at titude toward h1a
pro!eulon. Tb~ 1kepticiam wiD hopefully be dWpelled when the iuue Ia -.ired tonight at a meeting of hatory majors and minors in the W lacon-
aln Room at 8 p.m.
The question ot student participation t ranscends
this one department and the partlcul&r isaue ot
Robert Goldltclo.
Justus Paul Interviewed:
Re t ent'IOn A nd G0 ld st eln
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Letters To The Ed~tor
Student Writes Nixon
Registrar Explaini
Procedures For
Registration
For the !*'It tever~l )~~
-.erial ra~m~n for "'1Cl>tnlloa
hllvellftnauiKJWdoo ~ buil
ot wnlon. Junion. cr.odu.a~
and sP"'Ialiflnt :than~
and fH'Ih- n <laoslft.
lll(IHf,
u Uon-baad oo u,._
~rot credlu .-."'"' 11 tilt
~lnnl.,..ofthecuntnt lf',....
Wlthlnuch ofthe uttror~ts
nwn~n ..·ere "llli:IW'<I
o:.n..;
111
avoid hJ,vlna the A·1 al"•l'S
flmanclthcZ'a a J.....y1 1ut.
alpha~t!calbaab. ln~
a~mester c)'c!.,~btf!l
deviled:
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t3J Middle to both ends :
A ._.~z.
Ul Both met. 10 the mlddlt:
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ln &enera l. thJ.hu ,.wkf4
reuanablywe ll, althouchtbt
at~nl "'hols.cheduied]llt
han1l)' eYI!T f~ll that tbeo)·s.
tc m 11 a rOOd one: Out ol mr
uptrlencaa•rerlatrar, l ha•·c
come to the eonc:IU$Ion 111.11
theR b nO tell!)' IOQd "IJ
ofrer\lterln~e.
11ltra are110n14'Khl'mcttllit
Hem tQ be Wa lrOUbl~
than oth.cn. But tht~ Ism;~
rood WI )' to l[ ltl~r a ll tt.. !fl.
formation that b ttoqulrt'd by
the varlolu a rnu o1 lhf 11ft!.
versltywlthout the uptndlt~~n
o1 a rreat Mal of time an11
e ffort.
Better utlllz.aUon ot dall 1'1'0'
cenlne de:vku -.1<1 htlp. lklt
thlartoqulrelcon&ldtrabl)'lf,tl.
I!Tbudt;~
and rnoret.,lnfd
thlon are cun e<>ll)'
provldcodfOrlhU jlUI'llOR.
pc'n.ontlei
IIOIO"eYer . one~·~ ,....
c llank:&l prOblem
dtveloptd.
Durlnt the tint da)'l of cl•~
ualplrnent, !he ~parllnl'nll
whoftll'OU mo~~tlyhuhmenand
IOphornores had relatlv~ly little
w do.
dtport·
Convt....-1)'. thoH
m enta who enroll mostly junion
andpnklnhad llttietocloto.
wa rd tht e nd ol tht period.
f'llrtMr~e.
thole d~part·
mtnu with hlth aophomono en·
rullmenta (e.c. En&lllh wi t h
IO~IIterat~
cou.I"UU.
U.S. Hlltot)'l ..·ere owam]>ediHI
tl\e da)'l"iltlllhciOphomorrs
we re d ljlp: and Hit! fr e.hmon
En&llah table " 'II hit too hard
..~n the freahmen a rrln'<l.
ln a n attempt IDI\~d tht>W
proble m• ....nne retalnlnt t h~
mora dHirabl.e feature• ol the
J)'stem. It wu dcrldfd not to
lla\·e m t m bt>n ol e ach cl•»
rtpor11n-cutl\'i!O td eo·,
therefor... att~r P nlor.
priority, !he d 11Uts are m in d ,
'I1Ila Jprtad• U.. diamond lor
eertaln types of COU.rHI
throuahwt mo:st of the WHk;
lntt. .dol treallnc tht piJ,o.,,Jl·•
'-'nlor
whldtha~OfC'I.IC<!d.
GIUH:.RT FAl15T
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OPINION
COintlnUC!d
rrom
Pf.Ke u
.
aod that more tlme be given ut to tum In all
the petltlont before a declalon be made.
I tugge.t.ed that a public bearing take place
.o that atudenta aod faculty could communicate
their view. to each other. Or. Goldateln workl
with ttuderita: he teachet1 them, no~ the faculty
members. •
Studenta, I felt, tbould at least be given a
chance to upreu how they felt, though I did
not uk that the atudentl t hould render a vote
or make the final decitlon. I j111t wanted to
aee the tludenie repre.ented In the matter.
I menUoned next that a queltion of academk:
freedom wa1 Involved - that if Goldatein'• cue
estabU..hed a precedent, then any lnatruetor'a
teat procedure~ might eome under queaUon and
might be ground• for non-retention.
From the faculty viewpoint I thought thla
would be frightening. (But. of course, these were
a.U tenured membera of the faculty, whote teach-
~e:~~~ ~~~C:~v:; =~~~e';.u;:.tt~d
(Conllni.IN from pace 21
1 cannot. To condemn an lndlvldual to death for a
purpo&e or cau• that 1\e 11u no pan In formulatlna
and.soe. notundentand ll themo.t.aensel~.tlle
moat bn.ita1 and the ~ut humane tactic 1 non (On·
ffiw.
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But while thll: mentality ltdanceroua, the orcanluUon ls not. SDS is not the ImpOtent revolutionary foru
for the reuont ct\'tn In t he n.1tlonal media, le. amall
nwnben and dlvlded leadl!'rshlp. R.IUIC'r the . . -r
canbe foundlnMmll!undel"'lrouildpubl!nltlons. Ken
~;Aly~,:",~=: ~1~...~~~-~htfr~~ln:e!':
theyrotVerU.tentowhat peoplewant,wh.lt peopleare
Into and now SDS ls J..st Into rhetoric. Everytl'ltnr
el.w Is cotnr on, and all tl\ey Me 111 rf!<ttorie.~
SDS hu be<:onle \IT'I'Velent. What t he twenty-five of
us
h~
lut "J'Uaday nlalll ODU1d In no way be
re-
lated to 0\lr pftdlcament u atudenU In a amall mldwaternunlwnlty.Andldonotthlnkltwutntl!ndrd
to relate to ua, for Gold and JQI.h were 80 Intent Ln
malntaln lnl thflr own J"e'VViutlont..rY uaJ that they f or-
eottotakeuaalonawlthlMm.ltli:Ju.stuwelltlley
t,..v~l the road to Hlf-dHin,ld.lon alone.
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There w!U be a meeting of the blatory majora
and minora tonight at 8 In the Wiaconaln Room
of the University Center.
I u r o, : ; aU atudent." to attend. Dr. Gold·
g to present hi.a Aide of tbe matter
ateln Ia
·at thil mee ng. Also, there II a echeduled dlaeu.alon of student parUelpaUon within the department.
I further advocate tludent.a to write tbort
ttalementl to the heto:l or the hiltory department
expreaaing concern or disagreement over the non·
retention of Or. Goldltein and expreaaing Interest
. in ttudent voice. Send a abort letter to Pretlldent
Drey!ut, too.
written by
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teflt procedure, not learnlng.
01:- Go141teln'• teaching ability wu hardly
eorllldered. Whether ttudenta were learning wu
not beingdl.scut&ed. (Let me add, the overwhelming student tentlment Is that the test-eating Incident wu a learning experience).
Finally I u.ked bow many of those present
actually knew what kind of a man Or. Goldl!teln
w . ., how- many knew what kind of a teach~ he
wu. They were taking away hla job, and, I \
thonght, they bad tn obligation to know aa much
· about the enUre tltuaUon u they poulbly could.
I f lnlahed my pruentaUon. Mr. Morrison ttood
up and uld that my pretentation waa ao "arrogant atatement." (He may have been referring
to the whole tpeech or juat the laat teetion
where I queatloned what they know or Or. Goldttein) . He appeared to be quite angry.
Some queatlont were put to me and I answered
uiem aa beat aa I could. Someone aald that aU of
my "tennt" weren't correct. I nplled that I wu
new at thete proceedlnp, and, perhaps. If more
faculty·ttudent dlacuaalont took place I would
get my tenn1 atra.lght.
l tald all theMl thinga politely. I wu being nlce:
although I wasn't feeling ao nice.
Kurt then t lood up and read the two petition•
and waa aaying a few worda when he wu Interrupted by Mr. Richard Face, who tald worda to
theetrectthatthey {the tenured membera),were
profeulonally tn.ined to nuder dcdtiont In theae
matters, that we were acting naively~ and tha t
"ttudent opinion !a irrelevant" In theae mattera.
(In grad achool do theae people take eounea In
hiring and f iring, I wondered).
Kurt then uld that perhaps. there waa no uae
In carrying on a dl.acuaaion If our opinions were
Irrelevant.
But a ditcuuion of 110rta took place anyway
after that. We were uked aome queationa and
aome bia"to~ana made statement.. In faimeaa,
.orne of the tenured membera seemed Interested
and w!Uing to llatn to ua - but the.e were f_ew.
Th majority, I think, (altho.ugh aome were
ailent and It wu hard to tell) conAidered ua
audacloua tor approaching their meeting. I think,
wewerenottaken aerioutly.
• And thil I feel ttrongly - tha.e 6.iatoriana
were not really llatenlng, not really hearing what
Kurt and I were taylng. 'I'hey would not deal with
the real ileue. They kept tllking about proper
procedure, proper tenna, fonnula, ete. They
were not willing to de-al with Dr. Goldateln u a
teacher. He II a atimplating, vibrant lnatructor,
but they weren't interested 1n that. They didn't
eare If learning took place In hia clau. They did
not ea.re Uiat here Wa.t a man who could communleate, though he dared be dltrerent.
I learned a painful. poignant leuon. The atudent Ia a "nigger." The atudent Ia Jnvialble. I
think It Ia time that we tak1! on auhlltance. Something m111t be done. Our opinlona are not lrrele-
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