(c) crown copyright Catalogue Reference:CAB/24/88 Image Reference:0001 ft ^.3--'--'-'' cann;c HTEflB^^ wa;$j./V,w^wrminifc. 9 hi MEMORANDUM KY THE MINISTER OF LABOUR. UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE. I, The Cabinet decided oh 14th August that it was undesirable to commit the Government to the introduction in the Autumn session of a Bill-dealing w i t h Unejiipr-o^ient Insurance, but came to no other c o n c l u s i o n as t o t h e f u t u r e p o l i c y of the Government In t h i s c o n n e c t i o n , . I t i s , however, n o t possible to defer much longer t h e d e f i n i t i o n of at' Ifcast"'' tho broad lines of p o l i c y to be a d o p t e d because t h e whole p o s i t i o n will be fundamentally altered when t h e proseny temporary scheme of donation for c i v i l i a n workers expires"at the end of next November, D e f i n i t e a c t i o n w i l l t h a n have t o be taken, and if the evils of. h a s t y i m p r o v i s a t i o n ore t o be a v o i d e d the broad * . lines of policy ought to be settled now as t h e interval of two months Is none too long for working them out in detail. . 2. The ,goveming factor in the present situation is -that the unemployment now existing.is provided for by the scheme of Out-of- . Work Donation to ex-service 'men and civilian workers respectively. These schemes are temporary; that for civilian workers comes finally to an end on November 24th nextj t h a t for ex-service men covers only one year after individual demobilisation, and will therefore come to an end for great numbers of men before the end of this year. 4 : 3, The possibility of allowing these schemes to expire without putting something in their place needs only to be examined to be dismissed. -There are at present over 500,000 persons drawing donation, of whom 350,000 are ex-service men. This is the best time of the year for employment, and whatever progress may be made in the revival of trade during the course of the present year, the only reasonable assumption to make is that during the* " coming winter t h e numbers of the unemployed'will be larger, and t h e y may be much larger, than they are at present. The only existing alternatives' to Out-of-Work Donation are the unemployment ) b e n e f i t of 7s a week, and Trade Union benefits, both of which cover o n l y a small proportion of t h e working population, or Poor Law Relief. In face of the precedent of the donation scheme, I think we must start from the assumption that to allow the donation scheme to expire and to put nothing'in its place is impossible, ' H 4, If this assumption-be admitted there are really only two '-.*-, alternatives open. One is to continue the payment of donation;' in some form indefinitely. The other Is to take measures at once- ' with a view to substituting for it some scheme of State aided : contributory insurance against unemployment. I assume that the first alternative cannot be seriously contemplated, and It is in order that it may be /possible to avoid it that I wish to press . for an Immediate decision on certain broad points of policy,which will enable steps to be..taken at once with a view to the institution of a contributory scheme. 1, 5. Judging from the attitude assumed by the Trade Unions towards this question at the National Industrial Conference. I feel sure that they will not willingly acquiesce In a contributory scheme so long as they have any hopes of getting a non-contributory scheme. On the other hand, once these hopes are removed, I anticipate that I can secure a sufficient measure of agreement among the interests concerned to enable the'dovernr; to pass a Bill on a contributory basis. I therefore ask,in the first plaoe for a decision of the Cabinet in this sense. : 6. Given this decision, and the Cabinet^ provisional approval of the measure as sketched below, j shall proceed to consult the Industrial organisations concerned in the hope of having a draft Bill ready by the end of the recess. Any delay at this st will mean the postponement of thejpill till next year, and a corresponding prolongation of the period during which provision for unemployment must be made by way of donation. 1 7, The broad lines of policy which I recommend for adoption are based upon the report of an inter-departnental Committee, w included a representative of the Treasury, They are as follows (a) There should be general provision for payments during unemployment, the funds being provided from contributions paid employers, employed and the State. , (b) Any well-organised Industry, which Is able and willing do so, will be allowed to set up a scheme for itself, subject to due approval, under which It will raise its own funds end' administer them in accordance with Its special needs. (c) Voluntary associations in other industries (e.g. trato unions) may also be allowed under proper conditions to adminlsta in accordance with speoial schemes the funds derived from their membership; these associations must be formed on an occupational basis and must not be carried on directly or Indirectly for profl (d) Apart' from the industries referred to In (b) the-contr utions of employers and employed will be -raised by means of sts affixed to contribution cards as in the case of the Health Insurance schemes this method may also be applied if desired to any industry under ( b ) t (e) The weekly rate of benefit to be paid to Insured workpeople other than those coming under special schemes ( p a m (b) and (c) ) will be IBa for men and 12s,6d for women; the rates under the special schemes must be on the whole at least as favourable to the workpeople. (f) In order to meet the case of individual workpeople whi do not suffer from unemployment, such workpeople if they reacht age of 65 will be entitled to receive a refund of not less than amount of the contributions which they have paid together with interest (less any benefit received). 8. Two other points of policy have to be decided and I submit for consideration alternative proposals with regard to each:­ (1) Should the scheme apply to the whole of the employed population (i.e, be practically coterminous with the Health Scheme), or should Agriculture and Domestic Service be excluded? The arguments on both sides are set out In the attached ex­ tract (Appendix A) from the report of the Departmental Committee. My view is that on the whole the balance of advantage lies in launching the scheme on the basis that it is to be universal and allowing Agriculture and Domestic Service to make out a good case for exclusion, if they are able to do so. (2) What should be the rate of the State contribution to the funds of the scheme? Broadly speaking the choice lies between making the State contribution one third or one fourth of the total revenue. The arguments on each side are set out in the attached extract (Appendix B) from the report of the Departmental Committee. The estimated annual cost to the Exchequer, which varies according to whether Agriculture and Domestic Service are or are not included, is shown in the following table, which also gives the weekly contributions from employers and employed and from the State respectively, on which the estimates are based, together with corresponding figures for the existing scheme of unemployment insurance.Weekly contribution from Employers & Employed jointly. (1) Agriculture and Domestic Service included* (ii) do 3d. do (iv) do do excluded do Existing Scheme 13d. ) (men ( do (women 3d ) fmen 7d. 2id. ) [women 6d. 2d. men women Bd 8d 4 ) a. / to Estimated annual amdunt of State con? tribution. 5,970,000 / 3,980,000 / 4,200,000 I 3,260,000 4 1 3 X Year 1917-1918. I 2 ) 2d, ) women ill) State. Ration of State contribution to total revenue. / 1,007,541 X 0 9, Scheme ($). Cli) and (1U) are baaed on weekly contributions from employers and employed of 6d for men and 5 for womenj scheme (iv) requires 7d for men and 0d for women. If therefore my proposal that Agriculture and Domestic Servic should be Included in the first instance is adopted, tho contributions from employers, and employed to be originally proposed will be 6d* and fid, if agriculture and Domestic Service are subsequently excluded it will not then be practioi to raise the contributions from employers and employed lh other industries to 7d and 6d, and the State contribution therefore if originally fixed at one-fourth would have to be raised to one*third. 10. Having *egard to the precedent of the non-contributoi donation and the propaganda in favour of non-contributory provision for unemployment, I.am not sanquine that a State contribution of less than one-third will be ultimately possible. 1 should be prepared, however, to begin negotiate with the industrial organisations on the basis of a State contribution of one-fourth (Agriculture and Domestic Service being included), on the understanding that if Agriculture and Domestic Service are excluded the State contribution will be raised to one*third; this would mean a comparatively small increase in the estimated actual amount of the annual State contribution, viz, from £3,980,.000 to £4,200,000. Xreland. The above proposals relate to Great Britftl With regard to Ireland I propose that the scheme should apply compulsorily only to the trades already covered by the Unemployment Insurance Acts, and that provision should be madi for its extension to other trades by administrative order. R.S.H0RNE. 5th September 1919, H . A i r g u y n t f o r and aifainafr exoludlnff A g r i c u l t u r e and Domestic l o r v i e o . , The arguments for excluding these groups nay be s t a t e d as : follows:­ (1) They a r e exposed to, a very lew r i s k of unettpley^iit. Owing t o s p e c i a l ftiroumatanoes and leek of o r g a n i s a t i o n they a r e n e t In a p o s i t i o n to take adrantage of the provisions f o r s e g r e g a t i o n , and i n so f a r ee they remain i n the Central fund they and t h e i r employers w i l l hare t o pay a c o n t r i b u t o r , g r e a t l y In excess of the awn d r a m out i n b e n e f i t s , unless, and u n t i l they qualify for a refund a t age 66Y (aee p a r a ^ p h ( i i ) Their inolusion a f f e c t s i n t e r e s t s s t r o n g l y r e p r e s e n t e d i n P a r l i a a o n ^ and much Parliamentary opposition may be expected i f these groups are n e t exoluded. ( I l l ) The problem of d e a l i n g with i s o l a t e d workers l i k e a g r i c u l t u r a l l a b o u r e r s and domestic s e r v a n t s p r e s e n t s p e o l a l . difficulties. The arguments a g a i n s t exclusion a r o : ­ (a) I f any groups a r e exoluded however well J u s t i f i e d / exolusion may be i n i t s e l f t h e r e must obviously be a danger of p r e s s u r e from o t h e r groups with a low r i s k of iinemployment f o r e x c l u s i o n , not merely i n the sense of s e g r e g a t i o n but i n the sense of complete exemption from the l i a b i l i t y to make p r o v i s i o n f o r unemployment * Miners and seamen and bank c l e r k s might very well urge t h a t the exemption extended t o a g r i c u l t u r a l l a b o u r e r s and domestic s e r v a n t s ought a l s o to be extended to them, In t h i s wtf g e n e r a l provision--agaJtot unemployment would break down from the o u t s e t . (b) Tho e x c l u s i o n of a g r i c u l t u r e and domestic s e r v i c e would make i t neoessary to find and I n t e r p r e t a workable d e f i n i t i o n of what i s covered by these terms, and t h i s would be a t a s k of g r e a t d i f f i c u l t y . (o) In view of the f a c t that these groups a r e now e n t i t l e d t o Out-oMTork donation t h e i r exolusion from insurance may provoke o p p o s i t i o n . (d) w h i l s t t h e r i s k of unemployment i n these groups i s a d m i t t e d l y low, t h e r e I s s t i l l some r i s k , and there i s no guarantee t h a t t h i s r i s k may noFoe" i n c r e a s e d i n f u t u r e by unforseen changes. So f a r a s the r i s k i s l e s s than normal f u l l advantage can be taken of i t by the formation of v o l u n t a r y a s s o c i a t i o n s , while i n d i v i d u a l s who experience e x c e p t i o n a l l y 11 t t l a unemployment w i l l o b t a i n refunds on reaching the age of 66. ( e ) Tho exclusion of the t h r e e m i l l i o n persons employed i n these groups who a r e exposed to r e l a t i v e l y low r i s k would r e a c t unfavourably on the f i n a n c i a l b a s i s of t h e scheme. I n view of the faot that the decision on this point turns mainly en political considerations, m have confined ouraelvee to submitting' tne ftXtarnative arguiaents and do not mafce any recommendations. ' 16, Rate of 3tate Oontribution* The rate;of the State contribution to the existing Unemployment Insurance scheme one third of the contributions paid by eaployers and employed * that is to aay oija. fourth of the total revenue of the unccaplaymant food is contributed ,by the State (apart from i n v e s t on baJanoeah Adminiotratin expenses ara mat out of this fund, subject to a maximum of one tenth of the annual income. /'/.:,./ t It would not appear poflaihie to reduce this rate ef contribution and the question we have considered la whether It ought not to be increased, a s regards earlier oonsidera­ tton ef proposals for generalinsurance i t may be mentioned that both the Civil War Workers Committee and the Labour Resettlement Committee assumed that equal contributions ahou be paid by employers, employed, and the State, i.e,, that the State should pay she third of the whole Income and not one fourth as at present. S t a t e Contribution^ FOR LBIITIHG THE STATE C O m i B U T I O K TO OffODUm "-flty. ffc (fo^Al WTRIBUtlOK. .'" 1 6 . The argomenta ag&inst i n c r e a s i n g the S t a t e o o n t r i ­ b u i i o n above o n e - f o u r t h of the t o t a l jooy be e t a t e d ad follows:­ ( i ) The a l t e r a t i o n s In the d i s t r i b u t i o n of the Stations! Income which haye accompanied the- wqr/haiye l e f t - t h i s employing and qoployed o l s s s e s i n industry speaking g e n e r a l l y , no worse o f f and i n tmaf oases' itaateriaily , b e t t e r o f f than b e f o r e . Oanpared witn ihem thd remaining c l a s s e s o f Tax Payers ere r e l a t i v e l y muoh l e s s prosperous than i n 1 9 1 1 . Without any a l t e r a t i o n i n the r a t e s o f the S t a t e c o n t r i b u t i o n the wide e x t e n s i o n e f insurance . and i n c r e a s e of b a n e f l t s now proposed w i l l themselves Impose a heavy a d d i t i o n a l charge upon the Tax Payers" They may f a i r l y demur t o being asked i n a d d i t i o n to pay f o r a l a r g e r share f f the b e n e f i t s to be enjoyed by r e l a t i v e l y more f o r t u n a t e mambors of the community t ( i i ) Apart from c o n s i d e r a t i o n s o f ectuitjr the e x i s t i n g p o s i t i o n of th^ N a t i o n a l f l n a n o s s and the v a s t demands which a r e fatting made Upon the Tax Payer from a l l quarters make i t a matter o f p r e s s i n g n e c e s s i t y to avoid the p l a c i n g upon the, Exchequer o f a d d i t i o n a l burdens Which the r e s o u r c e s s f t a x a t i o n may j a w s unable t o meetV Tae c o s t of p r o v i s i o n a g a i n s t unemployment should i n the main be borne by the workers and t h e employers. L o g i c a l l y there weuld be a s t r o n g oase a g a i n s t any i n c r e a s e i n the t o t a l S t a t e subsidy paid to the Unemployment Pund under t h e e x i s t i n g scheme * The maintenance of the same proportion f o r t h e exchequer c o n t r i b u t i o n s a s p r e s c r i b e d i n 1911 w i l l i n c r e a s e the e s t i m a t e l i a b i l i t y o f the taxpayer from £ 1 , 0 0 0 . 0 0 0 , a year to £3,200,000 a y e a r , i f a g r i c u l t u r a l l a b o u r e r s and domestic s e r v a n t s are omitted from the scheme, or i f they are i n c l u d e d , t o £ 4 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0 a year* In a c c e p t i n g any such l a r g e i n c r e a s e the S t a t e may be regarded a s having beeft f u l l y a s l i b e r a l a s i t can s a f e l y afford t o be, ( i l l ) i n i n c r e a s e o f the e x i s t i n g S t a t e proportion would be l i k e l y to evoke a demand f o r a s i m i l a r i n c r e a s e o f the Health Insurance c o n t r i b u t i o n . The answer t h a t l a r g e supplementary sums have i n f a c t fceen added to the grant o f two n i n t h s e f the c o s t o f h e a l t h b e n e f i t s , c h i e f l y by tfce way of a d d i t i o n a l remuneration to d o c t o r s , may be met by the c o n t e n t i o n t h a t t h o s e g r a n t s did n o t i n f a c t Increase tho b e n e f i t s provided f o r the insured person by Part I o f the l o t o f 1 9 1 1 : they must be regarded rather a s p a r t o f the c o s t of the P u b l i c H e a l t h S e r v i c e . I n any e a s e i t i s probable t h a t an a l t e r a t i o n of the s t a t u s que i n favour of Unemployment Insurance would increasl the d i f f i c u l t y o f r e s i s t i n g demands i n r e s p e o t o f t h e Health Scheme. (iv) The grant of a rate of State contribution whioh v?J enable the benefit to be raided above 15/- a week for c*I and 12/6 a week for womon would oertainly $roduoe a I demand for tho corresponding increase in the rates of I sickness benefit under the Health Scheme, 1 person who I is unemployed through siokneos requires at least as muolii a persen who is wall but out of work, 1 This would no doubt involve an increase of the StaJ subsidy in that scheme, I (v) Farther rates in excess of those abovejmentioned miJ prove so attractive ae to encourage "malingering" and I apart from the other evils thereby involved threaten the! solvency of the Scheme. In the administration of Health Insurance with ratJ of benefit at 10/- a week for men and 7/6 a week for wonjl it has not $roved easy to guard against these dangers, 1 may be that for the future rates of 15/- ant IS/6 will A be excessive, but if any higher benefits are granted anil during the next five er ten years there should he an appreciable fall of prices and wages, it may well be doui in view particularly ef the experience of Out-ef-Work [ Donation, whether any administrative checks, however stringently devised, would provide adequate safeguards I against abuse. The idea embodied in the proposals I contained in the Report as regards voluntary assooiatioii is that benefits in excess of a moderate minimum should I be administered by self-governing and self-supporting I bodies, and this prinoiple io one which it is very I important to maintain, I Arguments against liriiting the state contributions w one-fourth of the ' tot&T oo^ributlon. 17, The arguments against maintaining the present rate ill the State contribution are:­ fa) Unless an attractive sohome with an adequate rate ol benefit is put forward on a contributory basis with the 1 State bearing a considerable proportion of the cost, the demand for a non-oontributory eoheme whioh is already m strong will become more urgent, and it la obviously desirable to oonolllate this opposition if it can be dorj by a moderate increase in the State contribution. ( (h) $here is no certainty that it will be politically I possible to maintain the proposed rates of benefit of If 1 for men and 12/6 for wotneni. I taking the allowances for dependents into account I the State has provided under the Qut-of-Work Donation I Scheme practically double this amount as a free $Aft and I it will be difficult to porsuade insured workpeople that I they ought to aocept a much sEsaller sum when they arc I themselves contributing a substantial part of tho cost. 1 (o) With regard to the grant for Health Insurance undeijl rart I of the national Insuranoe lot, 1911, it is true I that the expenses to be defrayed ou? of monies provided I by Parliament ware originally limited to the oost of I 2* I central administrations two ninths of the cost of administration incurred "by approved societies and. two nintlje of the benefit, In point of fact the State share was never kept within this limit; The Government found itself unable to provide the benefits promised, with the funds available in view inter alia of the demands of the medical profession, and from the outset largo supplementary sums have been given to the Health Insurance Commissioners and approximately one-third of the benefits and of the 003t of providing thorn has been found by Parliament. The medical benefit under the Health Insurance scheme has not boon and is not now a part of a State medical service, but is one of the benefits for whioh insured persons arc required to pay weekly contributions. (d) In viow of the high levels which have now been , reached by wages and cost of living, and the improbability Of any substantial reduction of either, it is difficult to suggest"that benefit substantially higher than 15/- and 1.2/6 would, under the conditions of a contributory scheme, involve any real risk of abuse by malingerers. -Similarly the argument based on the assumption that unemployment benefit must not exceed the rate of sickness benefit cannot bo sustained in view of the faot that the two benefits have always hitherto boon unequal.