September 30, 2010 Leslie Carey, Associate General Counsel Ronald W. Smith, Senior Legal Associate Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board 1900 Duke Street Suite 600 Alexandria, VA 22314 Re: MSRB Notice 2010-27 Request for Comment on RuleG-23 on the Underwriting Activities of Financial Advisors Dear Ms. Carey and Mr. Smith: Members of and participants in the municipal bond industry sincerely appreciate the opportunity to provide comments, as requested, on proposals and draft proposals established by the Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board (“MSRB”), especially knowing that our input is valued and given weight before final decisions are made by the Board. As a member of the Municipal Executive Committee of the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association (“SIFMA”) I have taken part in SIFMA’s response to the MSRB concerning the above referenced Notice. J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons, LLC (“Hilliard Lyons”) concurs with the content of SIFMA’s response in all matters contained therein. The balance of this letter will deal with the specific impact the proposed guidance will have upon Hilliard Lyons and other small to mid sized regional retail broker dealers. We are opposed to the proposed amendments to MSRB’s Rule G-23. The changes paint the municipal bond industry with too broad a brush, assuming that one size fits all. This is simply not the case. The consideration and thought used to develop the proposed amendments may seem logical from sixty thousand feet or when viewed through the eyes of independent financial advisors. Down in the weeds where underwriting desks and municipal financial advisors operate, the proposals, if implemented, would have negative effects on borrower’s costs and possibly on the future of regional firms’ municipal bond desks. The latter would imperil the liquidity provided by such firms to retail investors. Different states have different laws regarding the activities of financial advisors and underwriting. For instance, in Indiana a financial advisor may not act as underwriter on a municipal bond deal it has advised. In Kentucky, where most of our firm’s municipal financial advisory business is originated, a financial advisor may bid on an issuer’s bonds with written permission from the issuer and disclosure of the same in the preliminary official statement. Why is it important for this process to continue? In some cases the financial advisor is the only bid on an issue, especially in the case of issues not only small in par value but with an issuer of very small size in population and/or assessed valuation. The current Rule G-23 gives issuers complete control over whether to allow a dealer serving as an advisor to also underwrite or participate in a syndicate bidding for the issuer’s bonds. Issuers must receive credit for being intelligent and aware of perceived “conflicts” relevant to the issuance of their debt securities. This, however, has seemed to have been overlooked when developing the proposed amendments. In any case, the current Rule G-23 provides the issuer the flexibility needed to determine for itself what is most advantageous. It has been suggested that a municipal advisor may structure transactions in a manner that benefits them at the auction. In Kentucky, however, most schools and utilities are structured with ascending coupon requirements so as close to level debt service as possible can be achieved. This virtually eliminates the possibility of subtle nuances in the bidding and structuring process from favoring one bidder over another. In addition, the Dodd Frank Consumer Protection Act imposes fiduciary standards on municipal advisors with respect to their issuer clients. We now would like to address the enumerated questions in your request for comments. 1. Should a dealer be precluded for a specific timeframe from entering into a financial advisory relationship with an issuer after serving as an underwriter on one of the issuer’s prior offerings of securities? We do not believe there is any need for a specific timeframe to be instituted for a period following the underwriting services provided as no conflicts can exist after the role of underwriter has ended. To effectively place firms in a “time out” chair would decrease the pool of underwriters from which an issuer has to choose, decreasing competition and possible leading to increased costs of issuance and long term debt service payments. 2. If the MSRB were to amend Rule G-23 to prohibit dealers from serving as underwriter on transactions for which they have served as financial advisor to the issuer, should there be an exception for competitively bid transactions? Would it matter if the notice of sale was made available 5-7 business days before a competitively bid transaction to allow additional time for other competing firms to conduct due diligence? Should a financial advisor be allowed to bid in a competitively bid transaction in which a failed bid had occurred? How would the situation be handled in which there is a failed bid and the financial advisor cannot step in to buy the bonds because of the prohibition? Is this a common occurrence? We strongly urge the exemption for competitively bid transactions be continued regardless of the size of the issue. The competitive bidding process is efficient and, in many cases, provides the lowest borrowing cost to the issuer. This is not to imply that negotiated transactions should be eliminated. Extremely large or overly complex transactions are best served by a negotiated sale where the flexibility to modify structure, couponing, cal features and other conditions are necessary to efficiently place the bonds with investors. When we are hired as municipal advisor we pledge to the issuer that, if permitted, we will submit a bid for their bonds. In some instances we are the only bid. By excluding the advisor from the bidding process there may be a failed sale. However, in the case a bid does fail because a non broker dealer acted as financial advisor or the financial advisor was precluded by Rule from bidding, the ability to negotiate the transaction sometime takes place where law allows. We agree that sufficient advance posting of preliminary documents provides the best opportunity for potential bidders to conclude due diligence activities. Five business days should be adequate as this is about the time of forward focus for underwriters. Anything longer will not be beneficial. 3. Are there small and/or infrequent issuers that will be negatively affected by the proposed prohibition? What are the alternatives and costs for such issuers should the MSRB adopt the proposed draft rule amendment? Small and infrequent borrowers in the municipal bond market face difficulties getting bids for their bonds even when deal flow is low. The economies of scale aren’t there for underwriters who opt to look for other opportunities. As previously mentioned, Hilliard Lyons bids on every issue for which it acts as financial advisor, guaranteeing that a failed bid will not occur. If, for example, an independent financial advisor structures a small issue or an issue for a very infrequent and virtually unknown issuer, other firms would most likely pass on bidding. Since the independent advisor has no capital or distribution network to back up a bid, the sale would fail. Quantifying the costs to an issuer in this example is difficult to do since it has effectively been barred from the marketplace and access to the funds necessary for its projects. Since we are opposed to the amendments to Rule G-23 we cannot suggest that a de minimus size of a municipal bond issue be considered for exemption from the Rule. 4. Is it appropriate for a dealer to serve as financial advisor to an issuer at the same time that it serves as underwriter on a separate issue for the same issuer? Barring broker dealers from participating in different capacities on different issues would clearly limit the available options for issuers. By limiting the number of syndicate participants, such a restriction could adversely affect issuers’ ability to efficiently market their securities. Accordingly, we do not believe such a restriction would be useful or appropriate. 5. As it relates to current practices, are there instances in competitively bid transactions in which a financial advisor should resign in order to “officially” bid on a competitive new issue transaction as an underwriter? Is there ever a time when the financial advisor does not conduct the bid process for the issuer, such as the use of electronic bidding platforms where the process of collecting bids is done by a third party on behalf of the issuer? Is it an uncommon practice for the bid process to be handled internally by the issuer? There are no instances in our firm’s experience where we, as financial advisor, should have had to resign in order to submit a bid as an underwriter on a competitive sale. Today’s technology allows for the calculation and processing of bids to be handled by a disinterested third party, mostly BidComp and Parity in our experience. As financial advisor we facilitate the setting up of the bid process but the access to Parity is handled by the issuer. At the request of some issuers we do provide in the bidding terms and conditions for a physical bid to be submitted in case a local bank wishes to submit a bid, not having access to an electronic bidding platform. Such instances are limited in number and the sealed bids are opened by the issuer. It is not uncommon for issuers, especially larger more sophisticated cities, counties and school districts, to handle the biding process internally. Utilizing the services of an additional financial advisor to oversee the bidding process is a waste of taxpayer’s dollars and absolutely unnecessary. 6. In the context of a primary offering, should the exception found in Rule G-23(d)(iii) be limited to situations in which a financial advisor purchases bonds from underwriters who won a competitive bid for the bonds in which multiple bids were received? The exception noted in G-23(d)(iii) is already restrictive. Should a broker dealer acting as financial advisor be prohibited from giving orders to a winning account member for what time period would this cover? The order period? The underwriting period? The effect of such a prohibition will put the representatives at the advisory firms in a competitive disadvantage by not being able to fill customer orders. It will also not be fair to clients loyal to the representative. This represents an untended consequence of such a prohibition. Once again, we are opposed to any amendments to the Rule so this point should be rendered moot. 7. In competitively bid transactions, are there situations where the issuer may hire a financial advisor to serve on a specific issue and then, at some point, hire a second financial advisor to oversee the competitive bid process in order to allow the original financial advisor to bid on the issue? We have previously commented on this topic in our response to Question 5 above. Utilizing the services of an additional financial advisor to oversee the bidding process is a waste of taxpayer’s dollars and is absolutely unnecessary. Additional Comments: The Rules promulgated by the MSRB since its inception have stood the test of time. There has been some necessary tweaking along the way but the general premises of conduct are well defined. The reality of a major implosion such as was experienced in 2008 is a knee jerk reaction from politicians eager to make their mark. The intent is honest but the outcome is usually overkill. In a September 13th, 2010 Bloomberg article written by Nina Mehta, SEC Chairman Mary Schapiro was discussing the elimination of traditional stock, market makers that provided liquidity when no one else would. This was especially apparent in the over-the-counter market where spreads were narrowed to pennies from eighths, quarters and halves. The result? Firms exited the business as did Hilliard Lyons in October of 2008. The operation was no longer profitable or a good risk of precious capital. Technology had taken over with quotations changing in milliseconds. Then came the flash crash on May 10, 2010. The article states that “Now the SEC is concerned the revolution has gone too far, leaving markets vulnerable when selling starts to snowball.” When market makers are eliminated through regulatory consequences and the high frequency traders pull out there is no liquidity. Unfortunately, this creates calls for more regulation. Sometimes more regulations destroy businesses rather than fix the problem. The preceding discussion applies to the equity markets but parallels can be drawn to the fixed income and municipal advisory business. Things are not broken. Good rules exist, they just need enforcement. With the SEC ramping up a new municipal bond division and the MSRB staffing to be able to handle new directives, monitoring existing Rules does not seem to be a problem. The registration of municipal financial advisors was necessary. It was intended to create a level playing field between broker dealers and independent financial advisors. The latter were not subject to such ethical restrictions as those covered by Rule G-37. It has been difficult for a broker dealer to compete when a non regulated competitor is able to buy business rather than earn it. But now proposed amendments to G-23 seem to be a trade off, further placing broker dealers in a non competitive situation. Hilliard Lyons remains opposed to the amendments covered by this Request For Comments. We strongly encourage the Board not to further fragment or destroy the broker dealer municipal bond business by not adopting the proposed amendments to G23. The very retail investors you are trying to protect will be harmed immeasurably. Sincerely, /s/ Ronald J. Dieckman Ronald J. Dieckman, SVP Director Public Finance and Municipal Bonds J.J.B. Hilliard, W.L. Lyons, LLC