Gitlow v. New York: Deference and Free Speech Regulations Majority’s Test: When the legislative body has acted reasonably and not arbitrarily in determining that utterances of a certain kind involve such danger of substantive evil that they may be punished, the court must defer to the legislature’s judgment. • Why does the SCT use a different standard than C&PD used in Schenck or even Holmes’s Abrams dissent? • Is SCT’s distinction between the laws like the Espionage Act and the NY law convincing? What problems do both kinds of laws pose? Gitlow – Justice Holmes’s dissent • Holmes believes that the c&pd should apply and that the Left Wing Manifesto did not satisfy that test: • No hint that people were going to rise up/no immediacy of result • Justice Sanford would respond that urging people to future action is punishable (i.e., immediacy not required due to the nature of the speech) • Similar to Hand’s formula in Masses Is there something about the nature of the speech (advocacy of the overthrow of the government) that favors Sanford’s response? Whitney v. California – speech & association California criminal syndicalism law: Any person who . . . organizes or assists in organizing , or is or knowingly becomes a member of an organization . . . organized to advocate, teach or aid and abet the commission of crime, sabotage, or unlawful acts of force and violence or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of . . . effecting any political change . . . is guilty of a felony. Raises 2 questions re whether one can be criminally punished: • Is the organization's speech punishable? • If so, what degree of involvement with that speech is necessary for a member of the organization to be criminally responsible? Brandeis’s Whitney concurrence – clear & present danger “To justify suppression of free speech . . . there must be reasonable ground to fear that the danger apprehended is imminent. There must be reasonable ground to believe that the evil to be prevented is a serious one.” C&PD test now has significant additional reqm’ts: Danger to be prevented must be imminent No time for counterspeech There must be a probability of serious substantive evil Why is a serious evil required? What values does protecting speech serve according to Brandeis? Whitney and freedom of association • California law allowed punishment of anyone who was a member of an organization advocating criminal syndicalism. • Raises the question: • What degree of involvement with a subversive organization is necessary before one can be criminally guilty for the speech of others in the organization? • What did Anita Whitney do to violate the California Law? Why does her conviction satisfy the Constitution according to SCT? • Should “knowledge” and “membership” be sufficient for criminal punishment? Value of protecting association • Why does this debate matter? What happens when officials go after “members” of organizations with illegal and legal ends? • Why is it important to protect association with others for expressive purposes?