MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES
FEBRUARY 2013
CONFIRMED MINUTES
CONFIRMED MINUTES
FEBRUARY 18 – 21, 2013
WESTIN PARK CENTRAL HOTEL
DALLAS, TEXAS
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent
meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the
Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 18 to THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 21
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Materials Testing Laboratories Task Group (MTL) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 18-Feb-13.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of
the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Muriel
David
Mike
Daniel
Pietro
Thomas
Robert
Linda
Georges
Doug
Kevin
William
Colin
John
Stephen
John
Jeff
Frank
Jennifer
Tim
Burcu
Amanda
Robert
Armen
Gary
Huiqing
COMPANY NAME
Auzanne
Bale
Baumann
Becker
Bonarrigo
Brendel
Clark
Cook
Coste
Deaton
Elston
Fitzgerald
Fletcher
Haddock
Johnson
Knie
Koss
Lennert
McKeegan
Myers
Okur Duransoy
Rickman
Steffen
Talverdian
Winters
Zhang
Airbus
Pratt & Whitney
The Boeing Company
Sikorsky Aircraft
Bombardier, Inc.
MTU Aero Engines GmbH
Eaton Aerospace
Rolls-Royce
SAFRAN Group
GE Aviation
Spirit AeroSystems, Inc.
Northrop Grumman Corp.
Bell Helicopter Textron
BAE Systems Air & Information (MAI)
Triumph Aerostructures - VAD
The Boeing Company
The Boeing Company
The Boeing Company
Cessna Aircraft Company
Honeywell Aerospace
Chairperson
GE Aviation
Raytheon Co.
Vice-Chairperson / Secretary
Raytheon Co.
The Boeing Company
Northrop Grumman Corp.
COMAC (Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd.)
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
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NAME
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Siobhan
Pierre
Bob
Corwyn
Gilbert
Michael
Wayne
Philip
Travis
Aolain
Jean-Francois
Deena
Eric
William
Romeo
Kay
Dave
Richard
Scott
Brian
Melany
Bryan
Jim
Arshad
Kevin
Jud
Daniel
Steven
Robert
Dennis
Sylvie
Richard
David
Olga
Silvia
Amy
Annette
Bob
Jacob
Beuoir
Ben
Mark
Jennifer
James
Jan
Ray
Derek
Paulette
Byron
Jeffry
Howard
Edward
Tsunao
T. Rao
COMPANY NAME
Alekna
Barlager
Bell
Berger
Bonnaire
Brandt
Brege
Bretz
Brown
Burunda
Chevalier
Crossmore
Dirats
Duarte
Evangelista
Fischer
Fluck
Gasset
Gates
Griffin
Guzman
Hall
Harlukowicz
Hafeez
Hineman
Holl
Hunt
Keck
Kemp
Kidd
Lefebvre
Addison
Lewis
Luoni
McDonald
Miranda
Neugebauer
O’Connell
Olevson
Padrul
Poiton
Ransom
Richeson
Roesener
Rossi
Schiltz
Schiltz
Sicotte
Slabaugh
Skillings
Smith
Spader
Spanknoble
Tezuka
Tipirneni
SPS Technologies
ECCI
AADFW
Exova, Inc., Chicago Laboratory
ECCI
Alcoa, Inc.
Cannon Muskegon Corp.
Metcut Research Associates, Inc.
Praxair Surface Technologies
CIMAV
Lisi Aerospace
IMR Test Labs
Dirats Laboratories
Scarrott Metallurgical
Metals Technology, Inc.
Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co. KG
Haynes International
Lisi Aerospace Torrance
Element Wixom
Howmet Research Corp.
CIMAV
NSL Analytical Services, Inc.
Element Charlotte
QuaLease
ATI Allegheny Ludlum
Element Newtown
Haynes International
Carpenter Technology Corp.
Carpenter Technology Corp.
Cincinnati Testing Labs, Inc.
Lisi Aerospace
PCC Structurals Carson City
Element Newtown
Sherry Laboratories of Oklahoma LLC
CIMAV
Element Cincinnati
Haynes International, Inc.
Element Huntington Beach
Constellium France
CETIM
RTI Int’l Metals Inc., Tradco Inc.
Haynes International
Erdman Machine Co.
Westmoreland Mechanical Testing
AADFW
AADFW
Dirats Laboratories
Sherry Laboratories of Indiana LLC
ATI Ladish Forging
Element Cleveland
Instron
Heartland Precision Fasteners
IHI Corporation
Long Island Testing Labs, Inc.
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Mark
Jennifer
Jeff
Jason
Tipton
Tret
Viney
Wright
Element Houston
Sherry Laboratories of Indiana LLC
Metcut Research Associates, Inc.
Metals Technology, Inc.
PRI Staff Present
Rob
Jim
Kevin
Hoeth
Lewis
Wetzel
1.2
Introductions
1.3
Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct
1.4
Review Agenda - Last minute edits to the agenda for this meeting (Timing of the Planning and Ops
and NMC meetings was revised and agenda topics adjusted accordingly).
Tim's Presentation
This presentation contains the information reviewed in the meeting and follows the order of the rest
of the minutes presented here.
2.0
AUDIT REPORT REVIEWER DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSED
All current delegated reviewers (Kevin Wetzel, Jim Lewis, and Jim Stokes) continue to meet the
requirements defined in NOP-003. No change was made to the delegation status.
Metrics tab on eAuditNet Dashboard was reviewed.
3.0
REVIEW DELEGATION STATUS OF HOETH & LIZEWSKI – CLOSED
Discussion was held concerning Delegation of Rob Hoeth and Bob Lizewski. Both have met the
requirements for consideration of becoming delegated.
Motion made by Frank Lennert to approve Rob Hoeth and Bob Lizewski as Delegated Audit Report
Reviewers for Materials Testing Laboratories . Motion seconded. Motion Passed
4.0
AUDITOR EVALUATIONS / SUPPLIER FEEDBACK / AUDIT OBSERVATIONS– CLOSED
The MTLTG reviewed data supplied concerning Auditor Evaluations that are completed by the
Audit Report Reviewer and the Supplier Feedback that are completed by the Supplier. Auditor
portion of the Dashboard on eAuditNet was reviewed.
Subscriber Audit Observation Reports were reviewed and discussed. NOP-007 was reviewed as
this procedure describes the process for scheduling and participation for an audit observation.
For all audits with subscriber observation, the question “Did the audit as a whole meet the
expectations of the Nadcap Subscriber” was answered Yes
From this review three (3) auditor were identified as requiring further monitoring (monitoring to
include checklist completion, attaching objective evidence and supplier feedback).
5.0
MEETING RULES – CLOSED
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A discussion was held if impromptu meeting topics should be discussed in closed meetings. Topics
such as labs changing locations and RR/PT have come up at last minute.
Motion made by Tim Myers to approve impromptu meeting topics in closed meetings under the
condition that they can be accommodated by the agenda. Motion seconded. Motion Passed
This will be documented in NTGOP-001 App MTL. Voting may proceed as long as quorum is
established.
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to document the allowance of impromptu meeting topics in NTGOP-001 App
MTL (Due Date: 31-May-13)
Issue #1: Accreditation requirements when a lab relocates: Labs which move equipment, personnel, and
quality system to another physical address. (Changing the address on the accreditation certificate)
Motion made by Tim Myers to approve requiring verification of test methods on all equipment along
with calibration/alignment certificates in the new location. Demonstrate no key personnel changes.
Verification methods to be the supplier’s choice and recommend TG review prior to move. Data
needs to be summarized for easy review by TG Chair. When TG Chair deems verification
acceptable, the accreditation certificate will be revised for the new address. No physical onsite
audit and no change to the scope of the next audit if verification is acceptable. If verification is
unacceptable, an audit will be required for the unacceptable test methods and no change to the
scope of the next scheduled audit. Motion seconded. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to document the above proposed verification method in NTGOP-001 App
MTL (Due Date: 31-May-13)
Issue #2: Accreditation requirements when a lab relocates: Labs which move equipment, personnel, and
quality system to another physical address near the time of accreditation expiration.
Motion made by Tim Myers to approve allowing a 90 day extension of the accreditation to allow
opportunity to audit at the new facility. If the new facility is unavailable within the extension period,
the audit will occur at the currently accredited location. If neither location is available for the
scheduled audit, accreditation will be suspended until the audit is completed and closed. Partial
accreditation may be accommodated at supplier’s expense (will require 2 audits to obtain full, prerelocation status). In the case of relocation after test method audit, the “change address on
accreditation certificate” process will become active. Motion seconded. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to document allowing a 90 day extension of the accreditation to allow
opportunity to audit at the new facility. If the new facility is unavailable within the extension period, the audit
will occur at the currently accredited location. If neither location is available for the scheduled audit,
accreditation will be suspended until the audit is completed and closed. Partial accreditation may be
accommodated at supplier’s expense (will require 2 audits to obtain full, pre-relocation status). In the case
of relocation after test method audit, the “change address on accreditation certificate” process will become
active method in NTGOP-001 App MTL (Due Date: 31-May-13)
Issue #3: PT/RR for “General metallography” covered by other tests.
Motion made by Tim Myers to approve balloting elimination of PT/RR requirements for “General
Metallography” test code. Motion seconded. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to ballot removal of PT/RR requirements for “General Metallography” test
codes in next revision of the AC7101/1 checklist (Due Date: 31-May-13)
Issue #4: The Task Group needs rules for allowing grace periods for PT issues.
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Motion made by Tim Myers to approve allowing accreditation if a supplier has an NCR for PT as
follows:
Initial PT where tests are unavailable, Correlation must be performed with a minimum of one
Nadcap accredited laboratory prior to accreditation, with participation in PT meeting the AC7101/1
rules at next offering;
Recurring PTs must be performed with results reported to Audit Report Reviewer within 90 days of
audit closure pending Reviewer acceptance of audit. Noncompliance results in accreditation
suspension. Motion seconded. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to document allowance of accreditation when there are PT issues as listed
above, document in NTGOP-001 App MTL (Due Date: 31-May-13)
Issue #5: Audit 145307-TG granted accreditation prior to proficiency testing having been
completed (this is not an initial proficiency test) through the Audit Review process. Supplier agreed
to submit proficiency testing data for Rockwell hardness testing by February 1 or the accreditation
could be suspended or withdrawn. The supplier didn’t comply with TG extension for PT
compliance.
Audit 145307- Motion made by Amanda Rickman to suspend accreditation until results of
completed PT are reviewed by the Audit Report Reviewer. Motion seconded. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to communicate results of Task Group decision to suspend accreditation to
the Audit Report Reviewer for audit 145307 (Due Date: 21-Feb-13 completed during Nadcap meeting)
6.0
SUBSCRIBER REVIEW EXPECTATIONS – CLOSED
Discussion ensued for what is expected of a subscriber conducting an audit report review. This is
on the agenda for the Standardization Committee for February 2013.
7.0
SUBSCRIBER MEMBER QUALIFICATIONS – CLOSED
This topic is a carryover from the Pittsburgh meeting.
The following was presented in Pittsburgh 2012:
Tim Myers made a motion to propose for immediate balloting of the following changes to NTGOP001 App II Section 3.1. Change “and” in Paragraph “B” to “or” and add Paragraph “C” as an “or”
option to read “Minimum 8 years materials lab testing experience”
Motion seconded. (Yes-2, No-2, Abstain-1) Tim Myers broke tie – Yes
*Post meeting comments called for a “point of order” regarding the execution of the presented
motion. Due to lack of subscriber participants and a tie vote, it was determined the motion should
be tabled for the Dallas agenda. Motion withdrawn in Dallas meeting by the mover.
What is the expectation of the Task Group for the background of subscribers with regards to
education and experience?
How other Task Groups qualify subscriber members was presented. Example NDT says “The
Subscriber/Supplier organization is responsible to ensure that all individuals representing that
Subscriber/Supplier are qualified and/or certified in the NDT discipline for which they will be
representing that organization.” (NTGOP-001 App NDT 3.1.3)
Motion made by Ben Clark to approve revision of NTGOP-001, Appendix MTL, Paragraph 3.1 to
read:
“3.1 Task Group Subscriber Members should have a background in Materials Testing that includes:
A. B.S. degree or greater in Materials Science/Engineering or Chemistry/Chemical
Engineering or technical discipline and testing laboratory work experience and/or laboratory
auditing experience and /or technical aerospace or defense experience;
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B. B.S. Degree in a Quality or management field, plus a minimum of 5 years testing
experience in mechanical testing, metallographic evaluations, or chemical analysis techniques
C. Other qualified individuals may be accepted at discretion of Task Group.”
Motion seconded. Motion Passed
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel MTL SE to document the revision in NTGOP-001 App MTL (Due Date: 31May-13)
8.0
MTL VISION – CLOSED
Brainstorming session for what subscriber members want from Nadcap/MTL and from the Nadcap
meetings.
Ideas Captured
• Review of Nadcap auditor performance
• Review of Nadcap audit reviewer performance
• Use meetings to avoid repetitive resolutions to same issues.
• Improve audit criteria
• Improve criteria in Nadcap meeting rather than at home
• Review actions by TG committees/TAGs
• Reduce meeting time through TAG work in Nadcap meetings (divide issues and present
results)
• To meet as a body with a goal to improve audit criteria and review of auditor performance
to maintain a high level of auditor performance
• Focus on technical resolutions and value added discussions.
• Maintain appropriate level of open meetings.
9.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
Call to Order / Quorum Check
Introductions
Meeting conduct and rules were reviewed with the participants. Feedback indicates we get a better
meeting with rules
9.1
Approval of the October 2012 Minutes
The minutes of the October 2012 meeting held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania were accepted as
written.
10.0
VOTING IN MEETINGS – OPEN
Established guidelines (AS, NOP, NTGOP,) for voting during Nadcap meetings were reviewed to
verify Task Group understanding.
11.0
MEETING RULES – OPEN
Discussion of when is a “Subscriber only” vote appropriate.
No action or motion made.
Determination of tie votes for motions moved by the Chair. How does the TG want this handled?
• Motion: Eric Dirats moves that motions presented by the Chair require a 2/3 vote to accept.
• Kay Fischer moves to postpone indefinitely. Motion seconded. Motion Passed
• Kay Fischer moves that all motions made within the scope of the meeting require a 2/3 majority
of all in attendance and choose to vote to accept unless vote is restricted by Chair.
Further discussion is to occur in Paris June 2013 due to meeting feedback.
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12.0
Nadcap TUTORIAL – OPEN
The MTLTG reviewed a presentation given by Kevin Wetzel regarding the Nadcap/MTL Policies
and Procedures.
MTL TG Tutorial - Feb
2013
13.0
MEMBER PARTICIPATION PRESENTATION – OPEN
MTL TG Participation
Feb 2013
Task Group Chair communicated with participants that have not met the requirements for
continued voting status.
The following Task Group members have had their voting status withdrawn due to lack of
participation: Eric Billings – 309th Maintenance Wing Hill AFB, Dietmar Becher – Liebherr
Aerospace, Domenico Manna – Alenia Aermacchi
The following Task Group members have been maintained by the Task Group chair as the
companies have sent other representatives: Frank Anderson - The M&P Lab Inc., Ray Schiltz –
AADFW.
14.0
NEW VOTING MEMBERS – OPEN
Jennifer McKeegan of Cessna Aircraft was proposed as a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion
made by Frank Lennert and seconded to accept Jennifer McKeegan as a Subscriber Voting
Member. Subscriber meets the background requirements of NTGOP-001 App MTL. Motion
passed. Keith Kastner will be the AUVM for Cessna Aircraft.
Robert (Ben) Clark of Eaton was proposed as a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion made by
Frank Lennert and seconded to accept Robert (Ben) Clark as a Subscriber Voting Member.
Subscriber meets the background requirements of NTGOP-001 App MTL. Motion passed.
Burcu Okur of GE was proposed as an Alternate Subscriber Voting Member. Motion made by
Frank Lennert and seconded to accept Burcu Okur as an Alternate Subscriber Voting Member.
Subscriber meets the background requirements of NTGOP-001 App MTL. Motion passed.
Jeff Viney of Metcut was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. No objections. Jeff Viney is
accepted as a Supplier Voting Member. Phil Bretz of Metcut will be the Alternate Supplier Voting
Member for Metcut.
Derek Sicotte of Dirats Laboratories was proposed as an Alternate Supplier Voting Member. No
objections. Derek Sicotte is accepted as an Alternate Supplier Voting Member.
Jacob Padrul of Constellium was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. No objections. Jacob
Padrul is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.
An m-frm-01 was completed for all new voting members.
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For Supplier Support Committee (SSC), Corwyn Berger of Exova is stepping down as the MTL
representative. Mr. Berger nominates Bryan Hall to replace him.
Motion made by Corwyn Berger to approve Bryan Hall – NSL Analytical Services, Inc. as the new
SSC representative for MTL. Motion seconded. Motion Passed
An m-frm-01 was completed for the change of SSC representation.
15.0
FEEDBACK FROM PITTSBURGH MEETING – OPEN
Meeting comments
• Need meeting topics/details earlier for consideration
• Continue with meeting layout and format
• Meeting execution is good
• Need to work on auditor consistency as top priority
• More working time
• Stick with the speaking rules-microphone, name, standing, etc.
• Would like the subscribers to present "one clear voice" on the direction of the team.
• Less prime/subscriber staring blankly off into space and more leadership from that group.
• Need two microphones
16.0
MTL VISION – OPEN
The meeting attendees broke into small groups to answer questions pertaining to the vision of the
Task Group.
What does MTL TG look like in 5 years?
Assumptions: We no longer have the current issues
What is an MTL TG Nadcap Meeting experience in 5 years?
Assumptions: We no longer have the current issues. There are no limits or constraints
ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers will compile the data from the exercise and distribute (Due Date: 31-May-13)
17.0
ESTABLISH HANDBOOK COORDINATOR – OPEN
Bryan Hall and Derek Sicotte volunteered. Discussion between TG Chair, Bryan, and Derek led to
selection of Mr. Hall as Coordinator through Oct 2014 meeting. Mr. Sicotte will be appointed in the
Oct 2014 meeting.
18.0
TAG FUNCTION AND ACTIVITY SUMMARY – OPEN
Report out from the TAG chairs.
AC7101/1 TAG – Four (4) inquiries for clarification received
4 of 4 completed
Overall Feedback of the process
• Good to have an “official” procedure in place
• Timely responses seem possible
• Participation is good
• Difficult when there’s a 50/50 or even 2:5 split – TAG decisions should “officially” be 75% –
tough in an 8 person group where people can’t always participate: how long do you wait?
• TAG chair discretion?
• Generally positive feeling.
• -/1 TAG: The TAG Chair would like to thank all their PARTICIPATION!!!
AC7101/2 TAG – No action
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AC7101/3 TAG – Two (2) inquiries for clarification received
Actions Pending
AC7101/4 TAG- Three (3) inquiries for clarification received
2 of 3 actions completed
AC7101/5 TAG- Three (3) inquiries for clarification received
Actions Pending
AC7101/6 TAG- Two (2) inquiries for clarification received
Completed
AC7101/7 TAG- One (1) inquiry for clarification received
Actions Pending
19.0
SUB-TEAM REPORTS – OPEN
Bryan Hall: Auditor consistency Report Out
A sub-team of Task Group representatives was named to review and analyze existing audit data, to
look for trends regarding consistency and areas where clarification may be necessary
Conclusions:
• Regarding auditor consistency – data suggest that the audit team is not always consistent
• Recommend the formulation of guidance for auditors:
• How many checklist references are appropriate for one non-conformance?
• How appropriate is it to “merge” findings to one non-conformance
• Does the auditor assume a common root cause?
• Support MTL effort to re-write Checklist questions
• Clearer criteria help everyone to interpret the same way – Subscribers, Suppliers,
Auditors
• Clear “heritage” to underlying requirements helps with interpretation as well – who to
ask?
• TAGs and Audit Handbook should help to clarify, and to capture clarification
• Recommend improved roll-out for new checklists
• Don’t just post the new lists
• Add extensive guidance to Audit Handbook during checklist revisions – what changed
and why? Examples?
• TAGs / sub-teams that revise the checklists should offer Auditor and Supplier training
• Provide the context to encourage common interpretations
• “Stack the deck” for success!
• Additional understanding of why some questions or auditors have more occurrences would
require review of “sanitized” audit reports
• Recommend making eAuditNet spreadsheet data available to all Suppliers for analysis.
• What is next?
• Re-chart with more consistency?
• “Deep dive” to understand why some clauses score higher hit rates (range of
interpretations)?
• Plan workshop(s) for MTL auditors in October?
• Other?
20.0/22.0 OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
Call to Order / Quorum Check
Introductions
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Meeting conduct and rules established
Antitrust/Code of Ethics
Agenda Review
21.0/23.0 EXECUTE COMPLIANCE PLAN – OPEN
Compliance to NOP-002 section 3.3
Break into groups to work through compliance for checklists AC7101/1, /3, /4.
24.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
Call to Order / Quorum Check
Introductions
Meeting conduct and rules established
Antitrust/Code of Ethics
Agenda Review
25.0
SUPPLIER DISCUSSION – OPEN
Motion made by Bryan Hall to approve formation of a sub-team to create guidance for the MTL
auditors on how many references to cite per NCR and how to group findings in a NCR. Follow with
training of audit team in defining criteria correctly. Motion seconded. Motion Passed
Note: Team identified and will determine leadership at first meeting.
Jason Wright
Bob Olevson
Muriel Auzanne
Derek Sicotte
Corwyn Berger
Jeff Viney
Dan Becker
Kevin Wetzel
ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to send initial e-mail to the sub-team requesting date for future meeting (Due
Date: 28-Feb-13)
27.0
REVIEW & UPDATE RAIL – OPEN
The RAIL captures action items and tracks the close out of these items. The majority of action
items are from the meetings, with some coming from teleconferences and emails.
Derek Sicotte, captain of the MTL RAIL, led the RAIL review and closure of numerous items.
For specific details, please see the current Materials Testing Laboratories Rolling Action Item List
posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
28.0
MTL PROGRAM STATUS – OPEN
The NMC metrics were presented by Kevin Wetzel and reviewed by the Task Group
No Action is required
29.0
NOP-011 FAILURE CRITERIA MODE B REVIEW – OPEN
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Kevin Wetzel presented 2012 data for the Task Group to review concerning NOP-011, Audit
Failure Criteria for Appendix A, Mode B Excessive number of NCR’s. It is required to review this
annually.
MTL Failure Criteria
Review 2012 data
Motion made by John Knie to maintain the current threshold for failure Mode B criteria. Motion
seconded. Motion Passed
30.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE REPORT – OPEN
Bryan Hall presented an overview of the SSC and items of interest from the SSC meeting. For
complete details, see the SSC Minutes posted on www.pri-network.org.
MTL SSC TG Report
Feb 2013
31.0
REPORT OUTPUT OF PLANNING AND OPS MEETING– OPEN
The agenda of the Planning and Ops meeting was reviewed.
MTL TG presented an overview of the Task Group at the Planning and Ops meeting
MTL TG Chair Plan
Ops Report Out
There was no further discussion. For complete details, see the Planning and Ops meeting minutes
posted on www.pri-network.org.
32.0
NEW BUSINESS/RAIL – OPEN
New business reviewed Auditor Advisory 13-005 – New Auditor Orientation program
Future discussion topics
• Concern about NOP-002 3.3 impact to program
• How to deal with Audit Criteria without sources
• Checkpoint the approach of Compliance plan
• Industry spec creation seems prohibitive
• Some feel MTL responsibility is to address standards ambiguity
• Personal vs. professional opinions
• MTL Vision should proceed
• Auditor consistency/training-general philosophy communicated to auditors (audit to
procedure not procedure compliance to audit criteria)
• NOP-002 requirement for ISO 17025 accreditation (same scope seems to be the issue)seems redundancy between ISO 17025 and Nadcap audits, NOP doesn’t flow as
requirement to labs
• Group activity to discuss training activity (grouping NCRs) for auditor conference. Group
activity around defining conference topics.
• Audit Conference: need metrology presentation for both conference and open meeting
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33.0
Activity with HT TG
MOUs and cross commodity function
NCRs: review of NCRs and auditor training (ref Berlin activity). Do auditors, during
preparation, have access to NCRs for labs within the same group/company.
JUNE 2013 MEETING AGENDA – OPEN
Meeting Objectives Identified
a. Assure completion of required presentations and discussions
b. Revise and release audit handbook
c. Work compliance plan for NOP-002 3.3
d. Resolve ballot comments
e. Auditor Conference
f. MOU review
g. MTL Vision goes along with 17025 mandate
h. ISO 17025 mandate for test scope start of meeting
i. Time to review criteria flagged for obsolescence
34.0
EXECUTE COMPLIANCE PLAN – OPEN
Break into groups continue to work through compliance for checklists AC7101/1, /3, /4.
35.0
OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
Call to Order / Quorum Check
Introductions
Meeting conduct and rules established
Antitrust/Code of Ethics
Agenda Review
36.0
EXECUTE COMPLIANCE PLAN – OPEN
Break into groups continue to work through compliance for checklists AC7101/1, /3, /4.
37.0
MEETING SUMMARY– OPEN
Meeting Objectives
a. Assure completion of required presentations and discussions
b. Create an MTL Vision
c. Revise and release audit handbook
d. Work compliance plan for NOP-002 3.3/MTL Vision
e. Prepare for ballot /1, /2, /3, /4, /5 checklists
Review comments completing the objectives
No comments-except to note the meeting was well executed
38.0
GATHER MEETING FEEDBACK – OPEN
Feedback forms were collected and compiled
Copy of 2013-02
Dallas MTL Feedback.xlsx
39.0
DID THE MEETING ACCOMPLISH SUBSCRIBERS NEEDS? – CLOSED
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General discussion concerning the success of the meeting and topics which need additional
attention in Paris
Subscribers commented the meeting accomplished their needs.
40.0
MTL LEADERSHIP WRAP-UP – CLOSED
Time on the agenda for the MTL Leadership team to discuss meeting accomplishments
ADJOURNMENT – 21-Feb-13 – Meeting was adjourned at 3:00p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Amanda Rickman, Amanda.Rickman@raytheon.com, Kevin Wetzel,
kwetzel@sae.org
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Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved
during this meeting? (select one)
YES* X
NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring
revision:
Who is responsible:
NTGOP-001 APP. MTL
Kevin Wetzel
Due date:
31-May-13
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